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Messages from July 97 From: twynkles@earthlink.net (Hugh and Roberta Armel) Date: 8/1/97, 12:00:00 AM Subject: Help a new guy Hi, I was given a cool moped by a friend. I need to get some work done on it (I am by no stretch of the imagination a mechanic). I live in North east Los Angeles, is there a good shop in my area? Hugh -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kprewitt@inetport.com (Kirk Prewitt) Date: 8/1/97, 7:54:21 AM Subject: PUCH MAXI Hi, my name is kirk and I have a PUCH MAXI That was purchased in the USA and in need of some information on the engine. If you know of, or have any information that would aid me in tuning the motor i.e.> points, sparkplug, gas mixture etc... that would be great. The year is 1980 50cc automatic, 2 speed (I think) with a large cylinder head near the front fender. Thanks, Kirk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kprewitt@inetport.com (Kirk Prewitt) Date: 8/1/97, 1:10:06 AM Subject: I want to be on the mailing list I have a PUCH but do not know what model it is. The panels are all missing and there is no number or any thing to clue me in as to what I have. The "Ped" has peddles, the gas tank goes strait back to the seat, it is 50cc, automatic and can be started when on the center stand. Any idea what this is? Is it a "MAXI" ? -kp- USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com () Date: 8/1/97, 8:18:18 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch fuel mixture i use some 2 cycle oil i got from the cycle shop called mc-1 which comes in a small bottle. much more expensive than generic 2 stroke oil, but i've never had a problem using it. you might want to try it out. note: it's for premix only! don't use it in oil injection systems. In a message dated 97-08-01 06:50:01 EDT, you write: << What is full-synthetic oil? Is it hard to find or anything? I have never seen anything like it with the 2-cycle stuff. Is it 2-cycle synthetic or is it not 2-cycles oil? What is the difference with it? Thanks Jeff Coplan Brookings, SD >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PHATone74@aol.com () Date: 8/1/97, 10:03:29 AM Subject: faster? The piston to my Garelli Supersport XL is totally wrecked (chipped and broken). So, It scratched the cylinder. The guy that looked at it said he will have to bore out the cylinder and add a new piston but larger to fit the cylinder. A friend told me that because of the larger piston, it will add some extra power to my moped. Is this true? If yes, how much more power? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner) Date: 8/1/97, 11:21:06 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Jawa Flywheel I disagree...you don't need a special tool at all. Just an impact wrench. -------------------------------------------------------- Name: Chuck Koerner E-mail: Chuck Koerner Time: 11:21:07 This message was sent by Z-Mail Pro - from NetManage NetManage - delivers Standards Based IntraNet Solutions -------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/1/97, 1:18:32 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: mopeds what else:) In a message dated 97-08-01 05:17:37 EDT, you write: >Think twice before you make a moped go 55 mph with modifications. Such >speeds will do the motor no good, but more important: The brakes and >suspension are not designed to handle such speeds, as is a motorcycle. >Crash on a moped at that speed and you won't likely be driving or riding >anything else for a very long time! Not to metnion that such modifications >are quite illegal -- it makes the moped a motorcycle from the standpoint of >the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV), and the moped does not meet DMV >motorcycle requirements. > True, but once I am 16 I will be able to let loose on the 'ped in any way I want -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/1/97, 1:22:57 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch fuel mixture Yes they make synthetic 2-stroke oil. I get a synthetic blend from a local motorcycle shop, but dirtbike shops will probably have it too. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/1/97, 1:24:06 PM Subject: Fw: Please Help ----- reply to MForsy4745@aol.com -------- My 1984 Yamaha Moped will start and run for about 45 seconds, then it will just quit, and won't start up for a while. Can you tell me whats wrong? Can you lead me to other e-mail address that can tell me what's wrong? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/1/97, 1:28:37 PM Subject: Re: Fw: 1977 puch maxi electrical wiring stuff In a message dated 97-08-01 09:31:43 EDT, you write: >When I finally get a wiring diagram I guess I'll have an electrician >look at it if no one can help me here. Thanks I think that this is the "quick fix" you're looking for. I can't believe the previous owner added electrical things (to use the technical term). The magneto on my bike barely keeps up with the standard "electronics", I know there is no way it could handle more. PS. Moped horns are never loud. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: flynn_bridget@macmail.belmont.edu (Flynn Bridget) Date: 8/1/97, 2:00:35 PM Subject: Honda Express A break in my moped search!!! Maybe I won't have to go out of state after all! There are listed in our local Traders Post (2) Honda Express mopeds - one for $295 and one for $425. First, are these real mopeds or are they really scooters? Does anyone have any opinions/experiences with these machines? Wish me luck! :-) Bridget -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abburns@ingr.com (Burns, Ashley B) Date: 8/1/97, 2:20:23 PM Subject: RE: Honda Express I think my brother used to have one of these or maybe it was called a Urban Express. These have electric start and kick start and no pedals so I guess it is a scooter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NorrisH@aol.com () Date: 8/1/97, 3:00:33 PM Subject: Suzuki FA50 I have been looking for a good moped and came across what might be a good candidate. I have attempted to locate information concerning the Suzuki FA50 and have been unsuccessful. Does anyone have any information? What is the general opinion of this noped? What is considered a fair price for a very well maintained one? Thanks ahead of time... Norris B. Heckwine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner) Date: 8/1/97, 3:04:46 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Please Help I have the same problem with my '79 Jawa that I've been trying to get help on for about a month now. Cleaning the tank, fuel filter and carb hasen't helped....but I highly recommend you do these things first. Good Luck...let me know what happens. Chuck -------------------------------------------------------- Name: Chuck Koerner E-mail: Chuck Koerner Time: 15:04:47 This message was sent by Z-Mail Pro - from NetManage NetManage - delivers Standards Based IntraNet Solutions -------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner) Date: 8/1/97, 3:08:23 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: mopeds what else:) > True, but once I am 16 I will be able to let loose on the 'ped in any way I > want. Whatever you do, don't kill yourself....why not get a motor cycle? Mopeds are for people that aren't in a rush anyway. Chuck -------------------------------------------------------- Name: Chuck Koerner E-mail: Chuck Koerner Time: 15:08:24 This message was sent by Z-Mail Pro - from NetManage NetManage - delivers Standards Based IntraNet Solutions -------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/1/97, 8:17:11 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Honda Express Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: flynn_bridget@macmail.belmont.edu (Flynn Bridget) > Date: 8/1/97, 2:00:35 PM > Subject: Honda Express > > A break in my moped search!!! Maybe I won't have to go out of state after > all! There are listed in our local Traders Post (2) Honda Express mopeds - > one for $295 and one for $425. First, are these real mopeds or are they > really scooters? Does anyone have any opinions/experiences with these > machines? > > Wish me luck! :-) Bridget > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ If it's what I think it is, it's really a motorcycle with a step-through frame like a scooter. It has a 3 or 4 speed semi-automatic transmission, which means that you shift through gears with a foot pedal without the need to use a clutch. It has tires like a small displacement motorcycle and tops out at about 40-45 mph. It's made to take a passenger, and I think it has a 70cc engine. You brake the rear with your foot pedal and the front with your handbrake, if it's the same setup as some that I've driven down in the islands. I had a C110 Honda (1965) back in the early 70's as my first cycle, and it was a lot of fun. It was the same setup, but with a leg shield and a 50cc engine. While it's not a moped, it's probably as cheap to insure (at least in my state). However, it does require a cycle license, and you'd not get away with the things you do on a moped, like riding up the shoulder in traffic. Cops would likewise see it as a motorcycle. Also, you might get hassled if you parked it on the sidewalk. It doesn't have bicycle pedals, and it starts with a kick start. If I'm confusing the Express with another Honda model, folks on this listserv, please let me know and let me know the Honda model I'm describing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/1/97, 8:20:54 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: mopeds what else:) Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner) > Date: 8/1/97, 3:08:23 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: mopeds what else:) > > > True, but once I am 16 I will be able to let loose on the 'ped in any way I > > want. > Whatever you do, don't kill yourself....why not get a motor cycle? Mopeds > are for people that aren't in a rush anyway. > Chuck > -------------------------------------------------------- > Name: Chuck Koerner > E-mail: Chuck Koerner > Time: 15:08:24 > > This message was sent by Z-Mail Pro - from NetManage > NetManage - delivers Standards Based IntraNet Solutions > -------------------------------------------------------- > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Or get one of each. Just as there are good deals on mopeds, there are good deals on old bikes too. For instance, though I'm not ready to buy, I saw a good deal (300) on a Kaw 250 triple. It keeps you in a two stroke, and it will scream. Keep the moped to smell the roses, and get the Kaw to eat the bugs. By the way, I had a 400 triple back in college, and it will give you max performance out of the displacement. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/1/97, 8:31:37 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch fuel mixture At 14:33 31-07-97 -0500, you wrote: > From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) > Date: 7/31/97, 9:00:25 AM >Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch fuel mixture >> From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) >>Hi, Jerry, rest of you mopedeers.. >> >>At 02:16 30-07-97 -0500, you wrote: >>> Hello: >>> >>> I just bought a 1978 Puch Moped. Does anyone know what gas/oil ratio I >>> should use? >>> Thanks, >> >>2% mixture will do nicely. I use a full-synthetic oil and that's working >>fine! NO more carbon troubles this month. >What is full-synthetic oil? Is it hard to find or anything? That is just what it says, a laboratory oil.. Here in Europe it's available in any motor- or mopedshop... I had some trouble with my exhaust port clogging up with carbon deposits, I used Quaker State Outboard. This is no good for mopeds.... >I have never seen anything like it with the 2-cycle stuff. Could be, in America the only 2-strokes are lawnmowers, outboard motors, jet-ski's and old mopeds... Except for the jet-ski's and perhaps snowscooters synthetic oil isn't factory recommended I think. So, knowone asks, not available.... >Is it 2-cycle synthetic or is it not 2-cycles oil? It's 2-cycle allright... >What is the difference with it? All scooter-factory's recommend synthetic oil, because it burns much better then the mineral oil of the same price. Synthetic oil is a better oil for less money. This does not mean that mineral oil is not good enough anymore, it all depends on the quality of the oil (there is cheap and crappy synthetic oil too) If you want to be sure, look on the bottle of oil if there's a specification code on it for 2-stroke motorcycles.. Some specifications: TSC-4 is the old API (American Petroleum Institute) code and TSC stands for Two Stroke Cycle oil.. The new specification is TC, wich is the highest available 2-stroke oil. Do not use TC-W because this is for out-board motors, wich have different needs.. Cheers, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/1/97, 8:32:05 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch fuel mixture At 14:33 31-07-97 -0500, you wrote: > From: laurinj@videotron.ca (Jean-Sébastien Laurin) > Date: 7/31/97, 11:57:24 AM >Subject: Re: Fw: Puch fuel mixture > >Moped mailing list wrote: >> >> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- >> From: Jerry.Lansing@wj.com (Jerry Lansing) >> Date: 7/29/97, 1:46:02 PM >> Subject: Puch fuel mixture >> >> Hello: >> >> I just bought a 1978 Puch Moped. Does anyone know what gas/oil ratio I >> should use? >> Thanks, >> >> Jerry >> jerry.lansing@wj.com >> >> --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ >According to the cap-measure (and the shopmanual) the correct gas/oil >ratio is 1 part of oil for 25 parts of gas (1:25 or 4%) > >Jean-Sébastien Laurin >Parts and restoration >Motobécane, Solex, Puch, Sachs Hey, Jean-Sébastien, Here in the Netherlands we do 2% for ages now. Most pre-mixed gas is 1:50 now-a-days. I think the recomendation was 1:25 because the mixing oil wasn't so good as it is now. What you will get with 1:25 is clogged exhaust mufflers and exhaust ports.. Cheers, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch) Date: 8/1/97, 9:06:55 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: faster? Moped mailing list wrote: > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > From: paltron@interlog.com (Paul) > Date: 8/1/97, 4:33:22 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: faster? > > Moped mailing list wrote: > > > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > > From: PHATone74@aol.com () > > Date: 8/1/97, 10:03:29 AM > > Subject: faster? > > > > The piston to my Garelli Supersport XL is totally wrecked (chipped > and > > broken). So, It scratched the cylinder. > > > > The guy that looked at it said he will have to bore out the cylinder > and add > > a new piston but larger to fit the cylinder. > > > > A friend told me that because of the larger piston, it will add some > extra > > power to my moped. > > Is this true? If yes, how much more power? > > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ > If you want to wreck your engine just do it. You should just replace > the > cyl+piston+rings as it was. > We have a Garelli upgrade cyl+piston (brand new, about 46cc), but it > is > missing one ring. Contact us directly if you're interested. > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ Hi, Could you please elaborate more on this? Why would this procedure damage the engine head? Thank you. Mike Burch -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch) Date: 8/1/97, 9:13:52 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Please Help Moped mailing list wrote: > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) > Date: 8/1/97, 1:24:06 PM > Subject: Fw: Please Help > > ----- reply to MForsy4745@aol.com -------- > My 1984 Yamaha Moped will start and run for about 45 seconds, then it > will > just quit, and won't start up for a while. > > Can you tell me whats wrong? > > Can you lead me to other e-mail address that can tell me what's > wrong? > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ Does it have a fuel filter? Check for obstructions. Let us know... Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/2/97, 2:21:25 AM Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: mopeds what else:) ---------- | Van: Moped mailing list | Onderwerp: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: mopeds what else:) | Datum: vrijdag 1 augustus 1997 21:19 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner) | Date: 8/1/97, 3:08:23 PM | Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: mopeds what else:) | | > True, but once I am 16 I will be able to let loose on the 'ped in any way I | > want. | Whatever you do, don't kill yourself....why not get a motor cycle? Mopeds | are for people that aren't in a rush anyway. | Chuck | -------------------------------------------------------- | Name: Chuck Koerner | E-mail: Chuck Koerner | -------------------------------------------------------- | What... you advice a motocycle as a save alternative..?! if you 're 16 (or 34 in my case and always in a rush) there are only 2 ways to keep your gas handle (1, idle (only usefull if absolutely neseccery) 2, full open (in all other times)) , i think the best thing this guy can do is buy a 'safe' moped equiped with good brakes, lights, and a GOOD HELMET. It prevents him for dangerous speeds (lets say not over 45 mph) but gives him a good start to get the look and feel so hard needed if he ever decides to buy a motorcycle. BTW you can better get a moped on top of you in a crash than a motorcycle. the lower weight makes you also more fault tolerant in driving. to prevent all bad situations. But what ever you do think before you do, even a collision with 10 mph can kill you if you're unlucky. (especialy when the truck that hit you was driving 80 mph) So be lucky and carefull !! NB start with a original m'ped , tune it later if you get bored turning the corners full speed.... Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/2/97, 2:24:33 AM Subject: Re: faster? ---------- | Van: Moped mailing list | Onderwerp: Fw: faster? | Datum: vrijdag 1 augustus 1997 20:30 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: PHATone74@aol.com () | Date: 8/1/97, 10:03:29 AM | Subject: faster? | | The piston to my Garelli Supersport XL is totally wrecked (chipped and | broken). So, It scratched the cylinder. | | The guy that looked at it said he will have to bore out the cylinder and add | a new piston but larger to fit the cylinder. | | A friend told me that because of the larger piston, it will add some extra | power to my moped. | Is this true? If yes, how much more power? | | Yes, equal to the amount of extra displacement lets say it was 50 cc with 2,5Hp and becomes 55cc you 'll get 2.75Hp approx. Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN) Date: 8/2/97, 4:33:56 AM Subject: Harley Davidson Did Harley Davidson really make a moped? Thanks, Dan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hdeaton@surf.com (Henry Deaton) Date: 8/2/97, 8:28:45 AM Subject: Re: Fw: faster? >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: PHATone74@aol.com () > Date: 8/1/97, 10:03:29 AM >Subject: faster? > >The piston to my Garelli Supersport XL is totally wrecked (chipped and >broken). So, It scratched the cylinder. > >The guy that looked at it said he will have to bore out the cylinder and add >a new piston but larger to fit the cylinder. > >A friend told me that because of the larger piston, it will add some extra >power to my moped. >Is this true? If yes, how much more power? > > I don't have any experience with mopeds, but I'll try to be a little helpful here. Generally, when you're boring out a cylinder to repair wear or damage, you use an over bore kit that's only 10 to 20 thousandths (maybe up to 60 thousandths if it's really worn) of an inch larger than stock. Let's see, .010" is about .25mm. This results in an almost trivial increase in displacement and any increase in power would be very hard to detect. Using my Vespa Grande as an example, it has a displacement of 49.77 cc with the standard bore of 38.4 mm. Three oversize pistons are available for it: 38.6, 38.8, and 39 mm. The first oversize piston gives it a displacement of 50.29 cc, an increase of .5 cc, or about 1 percent increase in displacement. If you're after more power, then you use a big-bore kit with much larger piston and rings instead of just going to the next available oversize piston. A big-bore piston for a Vespa moped would have something like 43 or 46.5 mm pistons, increasing displacement to 62 or 73 cc's. 73 cc's would be very close to a 50 percent increase in displacement, and you'd really notice the difference. I guess mainly I just wanted to point out that increasing power in a moped and using an oversize piston to correct cylinder wear or damage are two different things. Henry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch) Date: 8/2/97, 10:42:52 AM Subject: Re: Fw: puller.. Moped mailing list wrote: > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN) > Date: 7/31/97, 3:15:55 PM > Subject: puller.. > > Hiya, where can I get a good price on a flywheel puller for my JC > Penney > pinto (a.k.a puch maxi clone)? > gracias, > Dan > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ Try Sears tool department. I would suggest a combo 2 and 3 point puller, that is the pulling arms can be mounted at either 180 degs or 3 arms at 120 degs. As I recall it was about $30.00 Regards Mike. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/2/97, 11:20:22 AM Subject: Re: Fw: faster? In a message dated 97-08-01 14:35:03 EDT, you write: >The guy that looked at it said he will have to bore out the cylinder and add >a new piston but larger to fit the cylinder. > >A friend told me that because of the larger piston, it will add some extra >power to my moped. >Is this true? If yes, how much more power? Possably, though most likely no in a noticable amount. Don't expect more that 2 more mph max. You just can't get that much out of a 50 cc engine w/out porting or an aftermarket exaust, or both. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/2/97, 11:25:54 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch fuel mixture In a message dated 97-08-01 14:49:04 EDT, you write: >i use some 2 cycle oil i got from the cycle shop called mc-1 which comes in a >small bottle. much more expensive than generic 2 stroke oil, but i've never >had a problem using it. you might want to try it out. note: it's for premix >only! don't use it in oil injection systems. Synthetic for premix only?! Why? I currently use a synthetic blend with my '96 Tomos Targa LX with oil injection. I am considering full synthetic because the price difference from synthetic blend to full synthetic is about $0.25 more. (But they're both about $4.00 for 12 oz.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/2/97, 11:29:53 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: mopeds what else:) In a message dated 97-08-01 15:22:40 EDT, you write: >Whatever you do, don't kill yourself....why not get a motor cycle? Mopeds >are for people that aren't in a rush anyway. >Chuck Why not get a motorcycle? Money. I can modify a '96 'ped to get motorcycle speed, or I can but some rusted out 1976 (or around that old) cycle that barely runs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/2/97, 11:33:32 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: faster? In a message dated 97-08-01 20:47:25 EDT, you write: >Yes, >equal to the amount of extra displacement >lets say it was 50 cc with 2,5Hp and becomes 55cc you 'll get 2.75Hp >approx. > > Bye, Peter Staal > Yes, but past 50 cc it is no longer considered a moped, and is illegal to drive with just a moped liscense. Once over 50 cc it is legally a MOTORCYCLE, and you must have a motorcycle endorsement to ride it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/2/97, 11:38:56 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: mopeds what else:) In a message dated 97-08-01 20:48:08 EDT, you write: >NB start with a original m'ped , tune it later if you get bored turning the >corners full speed.... > > Bye, Peter Staal I started about 1 year ago with a brand new Tomos Targa LX with a Biturbo exaust, I get an indicated 43 mph with a tailwind (35 with a headwind). I assume it has slightly over 2hp as with the stock pipe it is quoted at 1.95hp, and the Biturbo opening is about 4x larger. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/2/97, 6:33:57 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: faster? Goodevening, mopedeers At 15:31 1-08-97 -0500, you wrote: > From: paltron@interlog.com (Paul) > Date: 8/1/97, 4:33:22 PM >Subject: Re: Fw: faster? > >> The piston to my Garelli Supersport XL is totally wrecked (chipped and >> broken). So, It scratched the cylinder. >> >> The guy that looked at it said he will have to bore out the cylinder and add >> a new piston but larger to fit the cylinder. >> >> A friend told me that because of the larger piston, it will add some extra >> power to my moped. >> Is this true? If yes, how much more power? A rebore on any engine will give none or neglectable increase of power. I think you'll get more problems once you fitted a rebored or other (new) cylinder and piston. It is very likely that some particles did fall down, and are in your crankcase right now.. If you start up, they are sucked upwards through the vacuum of the engine, and wreck you're new cylinder too... The least you must do (if not dismantle the engine) is to take it out of the frame, hold it upside down, shake and blow with an air compressor in your crankcase untill you think it's out... >> >> --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ >If you want to wreck your engine just do it. You should just replace the >cyl+piston+rings as it was. Why? has Garelli aluminium cylinders with chrome plated barrel? Then a rebore is impossible OK. If it's cast iron or a cast iron bush, I see no problem in a rebore. For most mopeds there are 3 oversize pistons available down here. >We have a Garelli upgrade cyl+piston (brand new, about 46cc), but it is >missing one ring. Contact us directly if you're interested. Cheers, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: garst@netscope.net (Stephen Garst) Date: 8/2/97, 9:40:38 PM Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch fuel mixture ---------- From: Moped mailing list Subject: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch fuel mixture Date: Friday, August 01, 1997 2:38 PM --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/1/97, 8:32:05 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch fuel mixture At 14:33 31-07-97 -0500, you wrote: > From: laurinj@videotron.ca (Jean-Sébastien Laurin) > Date: 7/31/97, 11:57:24 AM >Subject: Re: Fw: Puch fuel mixture > >Moped mailing list wrote: >> >> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- >> From: Jerry.Lansing@wj.com (Jerry Lansing) >> Date: 7/29/97, 1:46:02 PM >> Subject: Puch fuel mixture >> >> Hello: >> >> I just bought a 1978 Puch Moped. Does anyone know what gas/oil ratio I >> should use? >> Thanks, >> >> Jerry >> jerry.lansing@wj.com >> >> --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ >According to the cap-measure (and the shopmanual) the correct gas/oil >ratio is 1 part of oil for 25 parts of gas (1:25 or 4%) > >Jean-Sébastien Laurin >Parts and restoration >Motobécane, Solex, Puch, Sachs Hey, Jean-Sébastien, Here in the Netherlands we do 2% for ages now. Most pre-mixed gas is 1:50 now-a-days. I think the recomendation was 1:25 because the mixing oil wasn't so good as it is now. What you will get with 1:25 is clogged exhaust mufflers and exhaust ports.. Cheers, Hans Hartman --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ ---------- If anyone is interested in synthetic oil. Check out www.amsoil.com. Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/3/97, 2:28:46 AM Subject: Fw: gestolen puch Here is a desperate cry for help, from a Puch owner who's baby has been STOLEN (it is in dutch, but that's where it happened) ---------- | Van: Jerry Huinder <154115jh@student.eur.nl> | Aan: staal@concepts.nl | Onderwerp: gestolen puch | Datum: woensdag 23 juli 1997 19:23 | | morgen | mijn puch mv 50 is gestolen in den haag | ik weet niet waar jij woont maar mischien hoor je iets of kan je aan | zoveel mogelijk vrienden vertellen(als je ze daar hebt in den haag en | omstreken) | als die gevonden wordt heb ik daar een beloning voor over | -helemaal zwart ook mijn tankje | -linkertrapper kapot(eraf tot hefboom) | -vrij laag stuur | -achteropje in het midden overgespoten | -verz nr:QBH 777 | -fr nr:7838306 | alvast bedankt, | Jerry Huinder | Laan van eik en duinen 156 | 2564 gw den haag | tel nr:070-3256126 | of 070-3477696(8.00-18.00,mijn vader) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/3/97, 2:51:14 AM Subject: Re: TOMOS AND MORE TOMOS !!! Hi Kevin i live in the netherlands (europe) and have no idea what the pices are in the us, nor in slowenia, i think you can better ask it in the moped mailing list... i'll forward it to them , you can reach it by the link in my 'frontpage' or go http://www.inlink.com/~daugava/mprimer.htm and write it by : daugava@nothnbut.net good luck finding it out.. Ps it took a while because i was on holyday.. Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos ---------- | Van: KEVIN J. CASTO | Onderwerp: TOMOS AND MORE TOMOS !!! | Datum: maandag 28 juli 1997 7:34 | | HELLO PETER, | THIS IS MY FIRST TIME WRITING YOU. | I WANT TO BUY A 1997 TOMOS TARGA LX. | THE DEALER HERE IN THE U.S.A. HE WANTS TOO MUCH MONEY. | DO YOU HAVE A FRIEND OR CLUBMEMBER WHO CAN BUY A | TOMOS FROM THE FACTORY OR A SLOVENIA DEALER AND MAIL | IT TO A FRIEND (ME) IN THE U.S.A.?? | | ALSO, I AM JUST INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT HOW MUCH MONEY | THIS SAME TOMOS TARGA LX (TOP TANK MODEL) COSTS TO BUY IN | OTHER COUNTRIES ( CONVERT TO U.S. DOLLARS ) | | THANKS VERY MUCH AND GOD BLESS YOU, | KEVIN CASTO casto@avana.net | MARIETTA GEORGIA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/3/97, 3:48:28 AM Subject: Re: Fw: puller.. ---------- | Van: Michael and Rena Burch | Datum: zaterdag 2 augustus 1997 16:42 | | Moped mailing list wrote: | | > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE | > ---------------------------------------------- | > From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN) | > Date: 7/31/97, 3:15:55 PM | > Subject: puller.. | > | > Hiya, where can I get a good price on a flywheel puller for my JC | > Penney | > pinto (a.k.a puch maxi clone)? | > gracias, | > Dan | > | > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE | > ------------------------------------------------ | | Try Sears tool department. I would suggest a combo 2 and 3 point | puller, that is the pulling arms can be mounted at either 180 degs or 3 | arms at 120 degs. As I recall it was about $30.00 Regards Mike. | Isn't it a bosch flywheel ? in holland the sell inner pullers for $10 a piece.... (you screw 'em in the flywheel inner treath and than pull it off by screwing in the center nut. (wrench 19)..) Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 (check for the parts pages, and try Rinke's shop) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo) Date: 8/3/97, 3:31:18 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Please Help At 01:30 PM 8/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) > Date: 8/1/97, 1:24:06 PM >Subject: Fw: Please Help > >----- reply to MForsy4745@aol.com -------- > My 1984 Yamaha Moped will start and run for about 45 seconds, then it will > just quit, and won't start up for a while. > > Can you tell me whats wrong? > > Can you lead me to other e-mail address that can tell me what's wrong? > > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ I had the same problem with my '84 Puch. It seemed to be a problem with the fuel cut-off valve. Something is clogging it, perhaps expanding seals inside of it. Anyway, I run my moped on "reserve" and it works for the time being. The solution to the problem would be to change the seals or valve of course.......I'll do it this winter. Hope that was helpful. Sincerely, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN) Date: 8/3/97, 5:02:42 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch Ignition Timing? >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) > Date: 7/31/97, 10:54:50 PM >Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch Ignition Timing? > >Hi Dan, >We wrote: > >>>>Ok, I just put a flywheel on my puch maxi from a different bike and I need >>>>to know how to adjust the ignition timing...I'm getting a nice spark and >>> >>> >>>No, not OK... You can't just swap flywheels from one bike to another (except >>>if the other is Maxi too). To be sure, always swap igniotions as a whole. >>>There are partnumbers on all Bosch parts, check if they're the same. >>> >>>Ignition timing is 1.5 mm before TDC. > >This timing is for the 25 KM/H model, 45 KM/H model needs just 1.0mm!! > > >>btw, What is TDC? > >Top Dead Center (the piston in it's upper top) > >Cheers, > > > > >Hans Hartman > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Ok, I know where the piston needs to be when it sparks, but how do I adjust it in the magneto??? I did get it started for a while, but it didn't run well.. Thanks, Dan btw-I'm also having a problem with transmission fluid getting into the crank, what is this a result of and how do I fix it?? Gracias... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch) Date: 8/3/97, 8:44:36 PM Subject: Re: Fw: puller.. Peter Staal wrote: > > > I'm sorry Peter, I'm not following you on your last transmission. > Also, I recieved a message from a gentleman who claimed that he > routinely pulls his flywheels off with a bench vise and it's no big > deal. Is this possible? I can not think of any possible method > without elaborate rigging. And it seems easier and less time consuming > to go buy the right tools... but... If you know please tell us how > to do it. Thanks for your attention and input. Mike > > ---------- > | Van: Michael and Rena Burch > | Datum: zaterdag 2 augustus 1997 16:42 > | > | Moped mailing list wrote: > | > | > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > | > ---------------------------------------------- > | > From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN) > | > Date: 7/31/97, 3:15:55 PM > | > Subject: puller.. > | > > | > Hiya, where can I get a good price on a flywheel puller for my JC > | > Penney > | > pinto (a.k.a puch maxi clone)? > | > gracias, > | > Dan > | > > | > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > | > ------------------------------------------------ > | > | Try Sears tool department. I would suggest a combo 2 and 3 point > > | puller, that is the pulling arms can be mounted at either 180 degs > or 3 > | arms at 120 degs. As I recall it was about $30.00 Regards Mike. > | > Isn't it a bosch flywheel ? > in holland the sell inner pullers for $10 a piece.... (you screw 'em > in the flywheel inner treath and than pull it off by screwing in the > center nut. (wrench 19)..) > > Bye, Peter Staal > > from: staal@concepts.nl > peter_tomos@geocities.com > Homepages: > http://home.concepts.nl/~staal > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 > (check for the parts pages, and try Rinke's shop) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STWater@aol.com () Date: 8/3/97, 10:12:58 PM Subject: mailing list Please add me to the list. I love my moped! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: WD4POH@ns1.intrlink.com (Bob Meadows) Date: 8/3/97, 10:14:39 PM Subject: Re: Fw: wanted: working moped for under $250 Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: britton14@hotmail.com (Britton Wood) > Date: 7/29/97, 4:40:05 PM > Subject: wanted: working moped for under $250 > > Hi, I'm looking for any brand of moped for under $250. Moped must work > & be within 4hrs. driving distance of Washington DC. Thanks, > > Britton > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Still looking for a moped for<$250? I've gained too, too much weight to really be able to enjoy mine on the hills around here. Plus I need the money for other projects and my pers. liab. policy is due (if I keep the moped). I have a '77 Garelli Supersport XL in good running cond. for $200.)) and live half way between Roanoke and Lynchburg, VA. Can drive up the Valley and Meet you half way. Interested? My day Phone is 1-800-7822839 xtsn 4473 Ask for Bob. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN) Date: 8/4/97, 3:28:50 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Harley Davidson >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) > Date: 8/4/97, 12:39:37 PM >Subject: Re: Fw: Harley Davidson > >Moped mailing list wrote: >> >> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- >> From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN) >> Date: 8/2/97, 4:33:56 AM >> Subject: Harley Davidson >> >> Did Harley Davidson really make a moped? >> Thanks, >> Dan >> >> --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ >The smallest displacement I remember is a 65cc top tank motorcycle style >bike made around '70. It was a kick start without pedals. They also >had a few other models up to the 350cc sprint, and they were all 2 >strokes and one cylinder as I recall. > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Well, the reason I'm asking is that there is a Harley Davidson moped advertised on the moped web page classifieds...I'm about to buy it, but I want to make sure they really excist...(he sent me a picture, I guess I'll attach it to this message--I hope it doesn't screw up the mailing list operations ;-).. Thanks, Dan ANDREW: No, you will not mess up the list by submitting pictures :) This one can now be accessed at /d/moped/HD.JPG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN) Date: 8/4/97, 3:45:55 AM Subject: Re: Fw: gestolen puch >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) > Date: 8/3/97, 2:28:46 AM >Subject: Fw: gestolen puch > >Here is a desperate cry for help, from a Puch owner who's baby has been >STOLEN >(it is in dutch, but that's where it happened) > >---------- >| Van: Jerry Huinder <154115jh@student.eur.nl> >| Aan: staal@concepts.nl >| Onderwerp: gestolen puch >| Datum: woensdag 23 juli 1997 19:23 >| >| morgen >| mijn puch mv 50 is gestolen in den haag >| ik weet niet waar jij woont maar mischien hoor je iets of kan je aan >| zoveel mogelijk vrienden vertellen(als je ze daar hebt in den haag en >| omstreken) >| als die gevonden wordt heb ik daar een beloning voor over >| -helemaal zwart ook mijn tankje >| -linkertrapper kapot(eraf tot hefboom) >| -vrij laag stuur >| -achteropje in het midden overgespoten >| -verz nr:QBH 777 >| -fr nr:7838306 >| alvast bedankt, >| Jerry Huinder >| Laan van eik en duinen 156 >| 2564 gw den haag >| tel nr:070-3256126 >| of 070-3477696(8.00-18.00,mijn vader) > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ That sucks...My friend just got his vespa ciao stolen..(In perfect condition)..It was a really nice bike.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/4/97, 4:12:24 AM Subject: Re: Fw: puller.. Hello M&R Burch .. No inner treath?... A Bench vise... Hum, must be possible but only with the motor block completely detached from the frame, gives at least enough grip to do the job. Put it in the vise and try to hit the shaft out with a center (or a dumm piece of steel (try not to damage the treath)) (and make sure the block doesn't hit the ground...) But may be with some more info i can help you better for instance: are there any holes in the fly wheel (like in a Tomos/Bosch flywheel you can easily put in a screwdriver trough the flywheel into the ignition groundplate, to block the shaft from rotating and than unscrew the nut in the center, than you can pull it off with 2 (big) screwdrivers at the outside (between the flywheel and the crankcase)) special tools like pullers are only needed when things have been over-torqued or deformed or rusted / corroded inside to my experience. are there any flat sides at the outside of the flywheel (to put in a LARGE wrench ?) to block it I was also charmed from the tip to use an piece of nylon cord to put in the cylinder head (in the sparkplug hole) i didn't hear it before (for that desperate case i used a sprkplug with every non-metal thing demolished and a new tapped M10 inner treath with a big m10 bolt in it, screwed in) But if you already succed in removing the centernut half the work is done.. Tip1 : prevent hitting the fly wheel with a hammer or some thing because than the magnetos will lose there 'power' and the flywheel can become useless (some goes for using heat) Tip 2 : apply equal force (at both sides(outward) when lifting the wheel from the shaft otherwise it will torque itselve and stay at its place... (prevent damage at the casing with some wood between the screwdrivers and the casing) Tip 3 : take the whole thing to a garage and ask 'em to do it, they do have the right BIG tools, (i work at a tool shop and know what they cost, more than a new motorblock i can assure you, like hydraulic pullers, they use em to pull off bearings etc) Tip 4: when you blew it saw/ cut it in pieces and buy a new fly wheel (happend to me once, after a accident the flywheel was 'bended',/ deformed ) Tip 5 : if you have a lot or time and some steel/ bolds&nuts/ welding aparato make a custom puller... If this all isn't enough i (or you) can make a picture to explain one and other, one picture says more than a hunderd words sometimes. for now it is sleeping time for me (i have to get up in 5 hours) Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos ---------- Van: Michael and Rena Burch Datum: maandag 4 augustus 1997 2:44 Peter Staal wrote: I'm sorry Peter, I'm not following you on your last transmission. Also, I recieved a message from a gentleman who claimed that he routinely pulls his flywheels off with a bench vise and it's no big deal. Is this possible? I can not think of any possible method without elaborate rigging. And it seems easier and less time consuming to go buy the right tools... but... If you know please tell us how to do it. Thanks for your attention and input. Mike ---------- | Van: Michael and Rena Burch -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/4/97, 8:50:30 AM Subject: re: Harley Davidson In the 50-60s HD worked together with Italian company Airmacchi. During this time they produced small motorcycles, as well as a step-thru bike. It may not have been under 50cc, but it certainly looked like a moped. Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/4/97, 10:45:19 AM Subject: Fw: yamaha towny (mj50) ----- reply to Karim Elgarhy Hi, I would like to get a repair manual or a manual for the Yamaha Towny or mj50 but I can't find one can you help me? Thanx. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/4/97, 11:01:46 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: TOMOS AND MORE TOMOS !!! In a message dated 97-08-04 09:56:47 EDT, you write: << | HELLO PETER, | THIS IS MY FIRST TIME WRITING YOU. | I WANT TO BUY A 1997 TOMOS TARGA LX. | THE DEALER HERE IN THE U.S.A. HE WANTS TOO MUCH MONEY. | DO YOU HAVE A FRIEND OR CLUBMEMBER WHO CAN BUY A | TOMOS FROM THE FACTORY OR A SLOVENIA DEALER AND MAIL | IT TO A FRIEND (ME) IN THE U.S.A.?? | | ALSO, I AM JUST INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT HOW MUCH MONEY | THIS SAME TOMOS TARGA LX (TOP TANK MODEL) COSTS TO BUY IN | OTHER COUNTRIES ( CONVERT TO U.S. DOLLARS ) >> I bought a '96 Tomos Targa LX in Bowling Green Ohio for $1,200 (approx.). Stock should be about $1,100 but I got an aftermarket exaust pipe (Biturbo). If you can afford the extra $100 to buy it, get it, it increases the top speed by 10 mph (to 40 mph). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner) Date: 8/4/97, 12:04:05 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: mopeds what else:) I agree 100%....the point I was trying to make was that I think it would be much safer to use a motor cycle to go fast (as it has been engineered to do so) rather than modify a moped. Every piece of that moped was engineered with its top speed (i.e. <30 MPH) in mind; brakes, stability, frame, steering, engine included. Modifying a Pinto to perform the Indy 500 doesn't seem safe. Chuck -------------------------------------------------------- Name: Chuck Koerner E-mail: Chuck Koerner Time: 12:04:09 This message was sent by Z-Mail Pro - from NetManage NetManage - delivers Standards Based IntraNet Solutions -------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com (FINANCE 223-0683) Date: 8/4/97, 12:05:51 PM Subject: DERBI VARIANT SPORT MOPED Hi! I am in the process of purchasing a Derbi Variant Sport moped. It is a 1987 with about 950 miles on it and has been stored indoors. The original brochure, owners manual and tool kit are included and I hope to pick it up later in the week. It has a cast wheels, larger than normal (in my opinion) tires (factory original) an two passenger sized seat and a small package rack. It seems to be very well made in good condition. Has anyone ever owned or ridden one of these? Any opinions about them? All comments are welcome. I weigh about 210 lbs and am curious as to what speed I should I should expect (25mph? 30?). I'm really looking to just enjoy the ride - if I want to go fast I can ride a motorcycle. Sometimes it's nice to just putt around! How about fuel mileage - I understand it should be pretty economical. Would a 210 lb rider hurt such a small displacement motor? Anyone else out there this heavy? Thanks!!! Marc marc.bibeault@pko.mts.dec.com % ====== Internet headers and postmarks ====== % Received: from mail12.digital.com by us8rmc.bb.dec.com (5.65/rmc-17Jan97) id AA06789; Mon, 4 Aug 97 11:24:18 -0400 % Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail12.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.5/1.0/WV) with internal id LAA07273; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:22:54 -0400 (EDT) % Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:22:54 -0400 (EDT) % From: Mail Delivery Subsystem % Message-Id: <199708041522.LAA07273@mail12.digital.com> % To: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abburns@ingr.com (Burns, Ashley B) Date: 8/4/97, 12:19:15 PM Subject: RE: yamaha towny (mj50) This should be available from Yamaha. Contact any dealer that sells Yamaha parts. The last time I checked it was $40.00. The manual for the QT50 should be similar. I also have a Yamaha Towny. What kind of problems are you having? > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) > Date: 8/4/97, 10:45:19 AM > Subject: Fw: yamaha towny (mj50) > > ----- reply to Karim Elgarhy > Hi, I would like to get a repair manual or a manual for the Yamaha > Towny > or mj50 but I can't find one can you help me? > > Thanx. > > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/4/97, 12:39:37 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Harley Davidson Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN) > Date: 8/2/97, 4:33:56 AM > Subject: Harley Davidson > > Did Harley Davidson really make a moped? > Thanks, > Dan > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ The smallest displacement I remember is a 65cc top tank motorcycle style bike made around '70. It was a kick start without pedals. They also had a few other models up to the 350cc sprint, and they were all 2 strokes and one cylinder as I recall. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/4/97, 1:31:48 PM Subject: Fw: Re: Please Help -------- reply to MForsy4745@aol.com ------- I Have cleaned the Carb and the tank, but I can't locate a fuel filter. It hasn't helped me much either, just made it run cleaner. Next Week I'm going to take it into a Motorcycle Service Garage and have them fix the prolbems, I'll tell you what they told me. Thanks For Your Help Please reply with any other suggestions Mike P.S. I just found out that when I put fuel into my carb, the bike will run like it use to. So then I put a clear tube in place of my fuel line tube and I notice that my carb wasn't getting the fuel that it should be getting. So I'm thinking that the fuel pump is causing my trouble. The fuel isn't getting to the carb. I think the reason why I can ride my bike for 40 seconds is because that is how much fuel is in the carb (40 seconds worth). Then you burn up that fuel and you have to wait a while for enough fuel to return to the carb to start and run the bike. I don't know if this is my prolbem. I just think my fuel pump might be busted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abburns@ingr.com (Burns, Ashley B) Date: 8/4/97, 2:41:35 PM Subject: RE: Re: Please Help If your gas tank is located above the carb then odds are that you don't have a fuel pump. This is the case with most cycles that I have worked on or seen. Gravity is used to flow the gas from the tank to the carb. I would suspect some sort of blockage in the fuel system. The valve in the carb float bowl could also be obstructed or sticking closed. This valve is normally closed via a float in the carb float bowl. When the float bowl fills up enough then the float will close the valve. This valve is also usually the culprit when you have gas overflowing out of your carb. > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) > Date: 8/4/97, 1:31:48 PM > Subject: Fw: Re: Please Help > > -------- reply to MForsy4745@aol.com ------- > I Have cleaned the Carb and the tank, but I can't locate a fuel > filter. > It > hasn't helped me much either, just made it run cleaner. Next Week > I'm > going > to take it into a Motorcycle Service Garage and have them fix the > prolbems, > I'll tell you what they told me. > > Thanks For Your Help > > Please reply with any other suggestions > > Mike > > P.S. I just found out that when I put fuel into my carb, > the > bike will run like it use to. So then I put a clear tube in place of > my > fuel > line tube and I notice that my carb wasn't getting the fuel that it > should > be > getting. So I'm thinking that the fuel pump is causing my trouble. > The > fuel > isn't getting to the carb. I think the reason why I can ride my bike > for > 40 > seconds is because that is how much fuel is in the carb (40 seconds > worth). > Then you burn up that fuel and you have to wait a while for enough > fuel > to > return to the carb to start and run the bike. I don't know if this > is my > prolbem. I just think my fuel pump might be busted > > > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/4/97, 4:59:54 PM Subject: Fw: Problem Solve (re: Please Help) ---- reply to MForsy4745@aol.com ------ My gas tank is really rusty. It's just horrible. When I took the fuel switch off I found out that there was a lot of rust and dirt particle it the fuel's pathway. The particle would clogged it up. The bike has no fuel filter to keep the walls of the gas tank clean from rust. The rust would even make the gas bad. So I have to take it in to a shop and have them clean my fuel tank or put a new one on. Even if I put new fuel in it gather loose rust particle and cloggs the flow. Thanks for all of your help! Mike Please give this e-mail to Chuck -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dgwood@pacifier.com (David G Wood) Date: 8/4/97, 5:27:48 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Problem Solve (re: Please Help) There are a couple of products available at motorcycle shops for cleaning and sealing rusty gas tanks. THe one that I've used (in the US) is called Kreem and costs about $25 US. It can be done at home and is much cheaper than a new tank. Take care to read the instructions and follow the safety instructions- the cleaning solution is a pretty strong acid solution. -Dave On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Moped mailing list wrote: > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) > Date: 8/4/97, 4:59:54 PM > Subject: Fw: Problem Solve (re: Please Help) > > ---- reply to MForsy4745@aol.com ------ > My gas tank is really rusty. It's just horrible. When I took the fuel > switch off I found out that there was a lot of rust and dirt particle it > the > fuel's pathway. The particle would clogged it up. The bike has no fuel > filter to keep the walls of the gas tank clean from rust. The rust would > even make the gas bad. So I have to take it in to a shop and have them > clean > my fuel tank or put a new one on. Even if I put new fuel in it gather > loose > rust particle and cloggs the flow. > > Thanks for all of your help! > > Mike > > Please give this e-mail to Chuck > > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrislo@cfw.com (chris loewl) Date: 8/4/97, 6:42:15 PM Subject: moped speed in retrospect, i agree that making our mopeds go up to (verified) 90kmh was rather dumb. at that speed you had no brakes, you tires were the wrong type, etc. i slowed mine down again cuz it was distracting trying to ride while watching for cops everywhere. but a lot of mopeds were so "choked". they sputtered and coughed going downhill and immediately lost all momentum at the bottom. (however, my zuendapp was a manual three speed so i usually rolled down hills in neutral as fast as i could.) acceleration was pitiful, which was actually dangerous with all the insane drivers on german roads. since 50kmh was the speed limit in the cities it was best to go with the flow. back then everyone had a modified personalized bike. no two were the same which was half the fun of it all. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch) Date: 8/4/97, 8:53:09 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Please Help Moped mailing list wrote: > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > prolbem. I just think my fuel pump might be busted > > return to the carb to start and run the bike. I don't know if this > is my > > to > > Then you burn up that fuel and you have to wait a while for enough > fuel > > worth). > > seconds is because that is how much fuel is in the carb (40 seconds > > > 40 > > isn't getting to the carb. I think the reason why I can ride my > bike for > > fuel > > getting. So I'm thinking that the fuel pump is causing my > trouble. The > > be > > line tube and I notice that my carb wasn't getting the fuel that it > should > > fuel > > bike will run like it use to. So then I put a clear tube in place > of my > > the > > P.S. I just found out that when I put fuel into my carb, > > > > Mike > > > > Please reply with any other suggestions > > > > Thanks For Your Help > > > > I'll tell you what they told me. > > prolbems, > > to take it into a Motorcycle Service Garage and have them fix the > > going > > hasn't helped me much either, just made it run cleaner. Next Week > I'm > > It > > I Have cleaned the Carb and the tank, but I can't locate a fuel > filter. > > -------- reply to MForsy4745@aol.com ------- > > > > Subject: Fw: Re: Please Help > > Date: 8/4/97, 1:31:48 PM > > From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Moped mailing list wrote: > > -Dave > > problem. > Last, if your 'ped does indeed have a fuel pump, it could be the > look for a blocked vent. > open the gas cap to vent the tank. If the bike runs ok with the tank > open, > prevent fuel from flowing into the carb. A quick way to check that is > to > If the gas tank vent gets plugged, it can cause a vapor lock that > will > your new, clear line isn't kinked. > Sometimes a kinked fuel line can cuase the problem but I'm assuming > that > just by switching to reserve. > Sometimes just the primary side will be blocked and you can run the > bike > the gas tank). Ususally these are removavble for inspection/cleaning. > petcock (the fuel cut-off valve that's usually mounted on the bottom > of > these are built in as part of the petcock. Also, debris can block the > the problem. Possible causes are: dirty fuel filter or strainer. > Sometimes > gas into the carb throat. That pretty much proves that fuel starvation > is > Using a clear tube to check fuel delivery was a good idea, as was > pouring > Are you certain that your bike has a fuel pump? Most don't. > > Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Please Help > Date: 8/4/97, 5:20:34 PM > From: dgwood@pacifier.com (David G Wood) > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- That was a great suggestion! A plugged vent can really fool ya! I had a plugged emission control vent on my mustang and it had the same symptoms and it had me chasing my tail for quite some time. Excellent diagnostics and clear thinking.. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dhooper@brazosnet.com (DAN &DAYNA HOOPER) Date: 8/4/97, 10:02:27 PM Subject: Kromag Pinto Help! I've proudly acquired a '78 Kromag A.G. (Austrian) Pinto moped (Penney's on the tank) and need a source of parts to bring it up to optimum. Have cleaned rust out of gas tank with muriatic acid (rinsed well, of course) & have booklet to clean & tweak the "ped". However, the booklet doesn't have a list of necessary parts to restore or where to purchase same. Any suggestions or sources? All I've found on the web pertaining to parts for this magnificent machine is in the Austrian language and I do not have a mastery of the Austrian tongue. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! Thanks lots...Dayna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN) Date: 8/4/97, 10:21:16 PM Subject: harley.. Ok, here is the story with the harley moped..He says that it was just made by AMF in 1978 when they happened to be owned by Harley Davidson at the time...Is it still a desirable bike?? Thanks, Dan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman) Date: 8/4/97, 10:36:20 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: faster? >Yes, but past 50 cc it is no longer considered a moped, and is illegal to >drive with just a moped liscense. Once over 50 cc it is legally a >MOTORCYCLE, and you must have a motorcycle endorsement to ride it. > In Virginia, once it's over 50cc it isn't a moped, and cannot be licensed as a motorcycle because it won't meet code. It is therefore illegal to operate on the road. It is also illegal to ride a moped if one is under 16 years old. When my 15 year old son bought his, I told him that if he got a ticket with it, I would no longer let him ride it. I also advised him that if he wore a helmet and didn't do anything seriously stupid that would attract attention, he probably wouldn't get stopped. He rode about 2000 miles, and was never stopped. I've ridden it several times, I did have a cop point to his head (indicating I should be wearing a helmet) when I went past him on a curve at about 35mph or so. However, in most places in the US, I seriously doubt that any LEO will have a clue as to what it is. They haven't seen very many mopeds, they won't notice any difference between this one and any of the others. The bigger problem is that the moped is not designed for those speeds and above about 45 it starts acting really weird. It also doesn't have the stopping power needed for reliable stops from those speeds. We got some brake fading with ours when we had it on the dynamometer, enough that the dyno operator mentioned that we ought to be careful with it at high speeds because it probably won't stop as quickly as it should be expected to. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: duckdogs@bright.net (Kauffman's) Date: 8/5/97, 12:11:54 AM Subject: Harley Davidson Dan, I believe the 350 Sprint was a 4 stroke Greg Kauffman 1974 2002 Tii 1968 Z28 1988 Suburban, the "Rig" 1970 Norton Commando S 1979 Puch Maxi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN) Date: 8/5/97, 1:38:36 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Kromag Pinto >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: dhooper@brazosnet.com (DAN &DAYNA HOOPER) > Date: 8/4/97, 10:02:27 PM >Subject: Kromag Pinto > >Help! I've proudly acquired a '78 Kromag A.G. (Austrian) Pinto moped >(Penney's on the tank) and need a source of parts to bring it up to >optimum. Have cleaned rust out of gas tank with muriatic acid (rinsed >well, of course) & have booklet to clean & tweak the "ped". However, the >booklet doesn't have a list of necessary parts to restore or where to >purchase same. Any suggestions or sources? All I've found on the web >pertaining to parts for this magnificent machine is in the Austrian >language and I do not have a mastery of the Austrian tongue. Any >assistance would be greatly appreciated! >Thanks lots...Dayna > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Well I have one and I can tell you that it has the same engine as a puch maxi, so most of the parts are puch parts... Laterz, DS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN) Date: 8/5/97, 1:42:16 AM Subject: Re: Fw: carb problems resolved!!! >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) > Date: 8/5/97, 12:53:24 PM >Subject: carb problems resolved!!! > >Finally after getting tired of screwing around with a half-working >moped I got my hands dirty and dug into the carburator. >Yes, I did get it off finally after turning it just the right >way. Thanks for the help from Andover, Steve's Mopeds, and Luther. >I figured it out before I heard from you'all though. > >I did have to consult my moped technician on a couple of things, but >everything came apart and went together right. >My technician, who is one of those grease monkey kids that knows >everything about engines and buys non-working motorcycles and makes >them work and everything had one question, though. >Does anyone know what the button on the carburator is for that is >spring-loaded so it springs up when you push it down? It is right >over the bowl. He didn't know what its purpose is and I don't know, >either as it is obviously now intended for everyday use. >The only way you can get at it is to take the outside cover off and >take the air filter off, too. > >Also, he thought my 'ped might be running a tad sluggish 'cause the >air filter is dirty. Is that possible? Do these ever need to >be cleaned or replaced or changed? I didn't see any way to get >it apart. > >Thankq, > >Jeff Coplan >1977 puch maxi > > > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ The little button is a primer.. DS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hdeaton@surf.com (Henry Deaton) Date: 8/5/97, 9:24:44 AM Subject: Mini Motorcycle Racing I went to a Northern California Mini Road Racing Association (NCMRRA) event last weekend and thought folks might like to hear about it. These folks race mostly Yamaha YSR50's on a state-run go-kart track outside of Sacramento, CA. Well, they aren't mopeds, but these little bikes are a blast to watch and are the closest thing to moped racing we have around here. They primarily race YSR50's (50cc bikes that look like road-racers), but also allow what they call big-wheel (YSR's use 12" wheels) 50cc bikes like the Honda MB5 or NS50 and the Kawasaki AR50 in a separate class. I didn't see any last weekend, but they also allow 50cc scooters to run, which is getting very close to being a moped. I guess a 50cc noped with some carb and exhaust tuning is just one step (or two pedals) away from moped racing, right here in California. Appearently someone has run a Yamaha QT50 recently, with what was described as surprising results. I suppose someone could also modify a moped to race, but you'd need to get rid of the pedals for safety reasons. The track they use has lots of very tight corners, and the fast riders were dragging their knees. These bikes are leaning way over. Anyway, it looked like alot of fun and made me want to dust-off my leathers. Maybe next year. Henry Deaton San Francisco, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner) Date: 8/5/97, 10:42:45 AM Subject: Re: Fw: RE: Re: Please Help Regarding fuel delivery problems....the biggest cause for 'no fuel' I've seen is caused by the gas valve located on the gas tank. This device (at least on the Jawa) also contains the filter. Clean the filter and it still might (almost guarenteed) not work! Why you ask? Inside the valve there's a black rubber seat that swells over time and permanently cuts off the gas. The solution is either to be very creative with a scrap peice of leather and a leather punch to put holes into it that match the original pattern.....or contact Steve at mopedmoped@aol.com for a completely new valve assembly. Good luck, Chuck -------------------------------------------------------- Name: Chuck Koerner E-mail: Chuck Koerner Time: 10:42:47 This message was sent by Z-Mail Pro - from NetManage NetManage - delivers Standards Based IntraNet Solutions -------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/5/97, 10:49:28 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Please Help In a message dated 97-08-04 15:06:48 EDT, you write: << So I'm thinking that the fuel pump is causing my trouble. >> Is this a Velosolex? To the best of my knowledge only these mopeds have a fuel pump. If it is not, try the on/off/reserve valve, sometimes these partially clog. Apparantly the rubber gasket either disentigrates or swells over time. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) Date: 8/5/97, 12:53:24 PM Subject: carb problems resolved!!! Finally after getting tired of screwing around with a half-working moped I got my hands dirty and dug into the carburator. Yes, I did get it off finally after turning it just the right way. Thanks for the help from Andover, Steve's Mopeds, and Luther. I figured it out before I heard from you'all though. I did have to consult my moped technician on a couple of things, but everything came apart and went together right. My technician, who is one of those grease monkey kids that knows everything about engines and buys non-working motorcycles and makes them work and everything had one question, though. Does anyone know what the button on the carburator is for that is spring-loaded so it springs up when you push it down? It is right over the bowl. He didn't know what its purpose is and I don't know, either as it is obviously now intended for everyday use. The only way you can get at it is to take the outside cover off and take the air filter off, too. Also, he thought my 'ped might be running a tad sluggish 'cause the air filter is dirty. Is that possible? Do these ever need to be cleaned or replaced or changed? I didn't see any way to get it apart. Thankq, Jeff Coplan 1977 puch maxi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dgwood@pacifier.com (David G Wood) Date: 8/5/97, 1:15:28 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Mini Motorcycle Racing Do a web search for "moped mayhem" if you want to see moped endurance racing in the UK and europe. 4 hour races with different classes for YSR50s and heavily modified mopeds and 50cc scooters. Stock moped classes, 4 stroke classes for 70cc Hondas, sidecars etc. A report of a recent race in the Netherlands had pictures of heavily modified mopeds with reported top speeds of 100mph. Some of the UK races had 200-300 participants, not all on the track at the same time though ;). I wish that there were something like that where I live. Any Pacific Northwest US or Canada members on the mailing list interested? Maybe we could contact the some kart clubs or see if there is any YSR50 racing locally? -Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner) Date: 8/5/97, 2:57:23 PM Subject: Re: Fw: carb problems resolved!!! Jeff, I've got the same button on my Jawa (it's a Bing carb). I used to think it was to prime the engine prior to starting, because what it does is push down the float and let gas poor into the carb. Not a bad idea for a carb with no choke. However, I quickly learned never to use it because you can almost allways flood the engine. So...don't press that sucker. Good luck, Chuck -------------------------------------------------------- Name: Chuck Koerner E-mail: Chuck Koerner Time: 14:57:24 This message was sent by Z-Mail Pro - from NetManage NetManage - delivers Standards Based IntraNet Solutions -------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) Date: 8/5/97, 2:57:25 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Kromag Pinto >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: dhooper@brazosnet.com (DAN &DAYNA HOOPER) > Date: 8/4/97, 10:02:27 PM >Subject: Kromag Pinto > >Help! I've proudly acquired a '78 Kromag A.G. (Austrian) Pinto moped >(Penney's on the tank) and need a source of parts to bring it up to >optimum. Have cleaned rust out of gas tank with muriatic acid (rinsed >well, of course) & have booklet to clean & tweak the "ped". However, the >booklet doesn't have a list of necessary parts to restore or where to >purchase same. Any suggestions or sources? All I've found on the web >pertaining to parts for this magnificent machine is in the Austrian >language and I do not have a mastery of the Austrian tongue. Any >assistance would be greatly appreciated! >Thanks lots...Dayna > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Just curious, Any way you can post a picture of this beauty? I've never heard of Kromag. Is it similar to anything else? Pedals, I take it, with like 49 cc? Jeff Coplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) Date: 8/5/97, 3:04:59 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Mini Motorcycle Racing >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: hdeaton@surf.com (Henry Deaton) > Date: 8/5/97, 9:24:44 AM >Subject: Mini Motorcycle Racing > >I went to a Northern California Mini Road Racing Association (NCMRRA) event >last weekend and thought folks might like to hear about it. These folks race >mostly Yamaha YSR50's on a state-run go-kart track outside of Sacramento, CA. > >Well, they aren't mopeds, but these little bikes are a blast to watch and >are the closest thing to moped racing we have around here. They primarily >race YSR50's (50cc bikes that look like road-racers), but also allow what >they call big-wheel (YSR's use 12" wheels) 50cc bikes like the Honda MB5 or >NS50 and the Kawasaki AR50 in a separate class. > >I didn't see any last weekend, but they also allow 50cc scooters to run, >which is getting very close to being a moped. I guess a 50cc noped with some >carb and exhaust tuning is just one step (or two pedals) away from moped >racing, right here in California. Appearently someone has run a Yamaha QT50 >recently, with what was described as surprising results. > >I suppose someone could also modify a moped to race, but you'd need to get >rid of the pedals for safety reasons. The track they use has lots of very >tight corners, and the fast riders were dragging their knees. These bikes >are leaning way over. > >Anyway, it looked like alot of fun and made me want to dust-off my leathers. >Maybe next year. > >Henry Deaton >San Francisco, CA > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Does anybody know of any moped racing? How about any moped rallys or anything like that? That would be the epitome of mopeding. This would definitely be the place to organize one if we were going to. Jeff Coplan By the way...With my newly cleaned carb the 'ped runs awesome again. Back up to full speed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/5/97, 3:32:08 PM Subject: Nasty button on Bing carburator > The button is to prime the carb with fuel ! > Harold What exactly does 'prime' mean ? Does it pull some fuel from the tank when I press it ? I have Bing carburator on my Sachs Suburban - I've read in one book that it's a good idea to press this button for few secs before starting. Well, whenever I pressed it, I couldn't start the moped at all - for a long time. Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/5/97, 4:20:44 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: faster? I'm sorry to hear that you have to be 16 to drive one in Va. Here in Ohio I only had to be 14. About the police: I was on my way to the county fair doing an indicated 43 mph on my Tomos Targa LX, I passed a Highway Patrol car going the other direction, he never even gave me a second look, just kept on going. The "high tank" style 'peds help because they look so much like small motorcycles that a casual observer can't tell. Plus I look old enough to legally ride a motorcycle. That helps too. ;-) PS. Going to the fair was with the wind, an indicated 35 was all I could get coming back, and then only for short spurts between gusts. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HarHill@aol.com () Date: 8/5/97, 4:30:15 PM Subject: Re: Fw: carb problems resolved!!! The button is to prime the carb with fuel ! Harold -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HarHill@aol.com () Date: 8/5/97, 4:38:42 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Nasty button on Bing carburator Notice if you have clear fuel line when you hit the prime button the fuel flows into the carb. The idea is to have a fuel flow present at star up. Of course you don't need it if it starts right up ! harold -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HarHill@aol.com () Date: 8/5/97, 4:41:30 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Kromag Pinto Kromag Pinto was the Puch made for J.C. Pennys in the late '70s. Sears Free Spirit is the Kromag made by Puch for Sears. I have the Free Spirit. My title says Kromag but it is all PUCH Harold -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: duckdogs@bright.net (Kauffman's) Date: 8/5/97, 4:41:40 PM Subject: carb "button" Jeff, On British motorcycles that button is called the "tickler" and its purpose is to ensure the float bowl is full of fuel before starting the machine. After the bike has been sitting awhile you would just depress it a few times and then go on with the rest of your starting routine. My Puch has one also. BTW can anyone E-mail me privately and tell me how to include just a select "snip" of someones E-mail with mine? So as to reference the question being asked. TIA Greg Kauffman 1974 2002 Tii 1968 Z28 1988 Suburban, the "Rig" 1970 Norton Commando S 1979 Puch Maxi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrislo@cfw.com (chris loewl) Date: 8/5/97, 5:28:04 PM Subject: Re: Fw: carb problems resolved!!! > Does anyone know what the button on the carburator is for that is > spring-loaded so it springs up when you push it down? It is right > over the bowl. He didn't know what its purpose is and I don't know, > either as it is obviously now intended for everyday use. > The only way you can get at it is to take the outside cover off and > Jeff Coplan > 1977 puch maxi bing carbs in the 70s had such a button. it was called a "cold starter". instead of closing the air intake (choke) when starting, this button added some gas to the initial mix. pressing it repeatedly flooded the motor (a good way to sabotage the bike of the guy hitting on your girl). some hercules M5s had a lever on the handlebar (NOT the docompression lever) that had the same effect. these levers were usually considered a nuisance and removed as far as rusty tanks go, it was always recommended that when storing a moped for a long time, one should fill the tank with plain gas (mix goes bad) and NOT forget to ad oil (and shake well) when it was time to cruise again. a totally empty tank is okay too; some experts say a half full tank doesn't keep moisture from settling on the tank wall. so much for an optimistic my tank is "half full" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PHATone74@aol.com () Date: 8/5/97, 5:28:21 PM Subject: Top Speed? Does anyone know the top speed a Garelli Supersport XL goes and the engine size (ie.50cc.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/5/97, 8:42:12 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Nasty button on Bing carburator In a message dated 97-08-05 16:35:48 EDT, you write: << I have Bing carburator on my Sachs Suburban - I've read in one book that it's a good idea to press this button for few secs before starting. Well, whenever I pressed it, I couldn't start the moped at all - for a long time. >> You are probably holding it down too long and flooding the engine, I've read that they should be held down no more than 2 secs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/5/97, 8:53:11 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: carb problems resolved!!! In a message dated 97-08-05 18:40:18 EDT, you write: << it was always recommended that when storing a moped for a long time, one should fill the tank with plain gas (mix goes bad) and NOT forget to ad oil (and shake well) when it was time to cruise again. a totally empty tank is okay too; some experts say a half full tank doesn't keep moisture from settling on the tank wall. so much for an optimistic my tank is "half full">> What about adding an ounce or so of "Sta-Bil" to the fuel? Of course this may only be a good idea if your 'ped has oil injection like mine, because I don't know how well "Sta-Bil" mixes with oil. The mechanics at the corner don't seem to think it is a problem. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/5/97, 9:08:22 PM Subject: Fw: Carb Probs -------------- From: MForsy4745@aol.com ----------- I don't have a fuel pump on my, I have a gravity pump, like you said. I have solved the problem thanks to all of the e-mails I've been getting, My fuel line was clogged with rust particles, I need to clean the tank. Now my carb. is off, it doesn't run like it use too. The idle is too fast and the throttle just isn't working with the bike. I like the bike has gears, it would go 15 mph and hold then 5 sec. later it would go faster. I think the idle springscrew and the other springscrews are off, can you help me here. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: porsche_914-6@juno.com (Aaron C. Meyer) Date: 8/5/97, 9:09:15 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Top Speed? 30 mph or less if the 'ped is all stock with no mods. A book published in 1979 says that this Garelli has a 49cc 1.5hp engine. Aaron Porsche_914-6@juno.com AaronM428@aol.com "There has never been a genius without a tincture of madness." > Does anyone know the top speed a Garelli Supersport XL goes and >the >engine size (ie.50cc.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch) Date: 8/5/97, 9:20:57 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Nasty button on Bing carburator Moped mailing list wrote: > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > From: AaronM428@aol.com () > Date: 8/5/97, 8:42:12 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: Nasty button on Bing carburator > > In a message dated 97-08-05 16:35:48 EDT, you write: > > << I have Bing carburator on my Sachs Suburban - I've read in one book > that > it's > a good idea to press this button for few secs before starting. Well, > whenever I pressed it, I couldn't start the moped at all - for a long > time. > >> > You are probably holding it down too long and flooding the engine, > I've read > that they should be held down no more than 2 secs. > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ I have the exact same carb on my sachs suburban and I push the button until the carb vents gasoline and that was because I didn't know any better! :-). But my bike starts first time every time. No problems and no struggle at all. Best wishes.. Mike Burch -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: porsche_914-6@juno.com (Aaron C. Meyer) Date: 8/5/97, 9:39:27 PM Subject: Re: carb problems resolved!!! I haven't heard of this kind of primer before. Apparently somewhere along the line someone decided that a choke worked better because my '96 Tomos Targa LX has a Del'Orto carb with a choke instead. Is a choke simply easier to put on a carb, or does it work better? Aaron Porsche_914-6@juno.com AaronM428@aol.com "There has never been a genius without a tincture of madness." >The little springloaded knob on top of the bowl , is standard on most >carbs >from dellorto and bing (and others) and is used to push down the >'floater' >(or what ever it is called in english) to let all eventualy captured >air >out of the bowl, and let the fuel stream in. The fact that you can't >reach >it is a construction 'failure' from the constructor, when you drive >the >motor (real) hot or let it stand for a while a vacum can make that no >gas >will pour in to the bowl, (because of a trapped bubble of air in the >tube >and or bowl) than you 'll have to press on it to make the flow >possible >again, on my Tomos 4L i use it always before starting to make sure it >goes >with one step on the pedals...;-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gtoo6@aol.com () Date: 8/5/97, 10:00:29 PM Subject: Bike engines I am new to this list so I don't know what has been said about these in the past. What is the best brand/kind that I can get for under $400? Do any of you have one, if so what do you think of it? THANX, David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/6/97, 2:23:37 AM Subject: Re: Kromag Pinto ---------- | | Onderwerp: Fw: Kromag Pinto | Datum: dinsdag 5 augustus 1997 20:47 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: dhooper@brazosnet.com (DAN &DAYNA HOOPER) | Date: 8/4/97, 10:02:27 PM | Subject: Kromag Pinto | | Help! I've proudly acquired a '78 Kromag A.G. (Austrian) Pinto moped | (Penney's on the tank) and need a source of parts to bring it up to | optimum. Have cleaned rust out of gas tank with muriatic acid (rinsed | well, of course) & have booklet to clean & tweak the "ped". However, the | booklet doesn't have a list of necessary parts to restore or where to | purchase same. Any suggestions or sources? All I've found on the web | pertaining to parts for this magnificent machine is in the Austrian | language and I do not have a mastery of the Austrian tongue. Any | assistance would be greatly appreciated! | Thanks lots...Dayna | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Well i do speak german...(yes, and can also read it) so mail the URL if you want to fill in the gaps, maybe we can powwow or netmeeting it trough at the same time ? Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/6/97, 2:28:47 AM Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Re: Please Help ---------- | Onderwerp: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Please Help | Datum: dinsdag 5 augustus 1997 20:47 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: AaronM428@aol.com () | Date: 8/5/97, 10:49:28 AM | Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Please Help | | In a message dated 97-08-04 15:06:48 EDT, you write: | | << So I'm thinking that the fuel pump is causing my trouble. >> | Is this a Velosolex? To the best of my knowledge only these mopeds have a | fuel pump. If it is not, try the on/off/reserve valve, sometimes these | partially clog. Apparantly the rubber gasket either disentigrates or swells | over time. | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ A lot of valves have inside the tank an tiny fuel filter, you can remove this after you have inscrewed the tap / valve unit from the tank, than you can put an inline fuel filter in the tube, than you can see if it gets cloged or not... Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/6/97, 2:58:45 AM Subject: Re: carb problems resolved!!! | Onderwerp: Fw: carb problems resolved!!! | Datum: dinsdag 5 augustus 1997 20:47 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) | Date: 8/5/97, 12:53:24 PM | Subject: carb problems resolved!!! | | Finally after getting tired of screwing around with a half-working | moped I got my hands dirty and dug into the carburator. | Yes, I did get it off finally after turning it just the right | way. Thanks for the help from Andover, Steve's Mopeds, and Luther. | I figured it out before I heard from you'all though. | | I did have to consult my moped technician on a couple of things, but | everything came apart and went together right. | My technician, who is one of those grease monkey kids that knows | everything about engines and buys non-working motorcycles and makes | them work and everything had one question, though. | Does anyone know what the button on the carburator is for that is | spring-loaded so it springs up when you push it down? It is right | over the bowl. He didn't know what its purpose is and I don't know, | either as it is obviously now intended for everyday use. | The only way you can get at it is to take the outside cover off and | take the air filter off, too. | | Also, he thought my 'ped might be running a tad sluggish 'cause the | air filter is dirty. Is that possible? Do these ever need to | be cleaned or replaced or changed? I didn't see any way to get | it apart. | | Thankq, | | Jeff Coplan | 1977 puch maxi | | | Hi Jeff, Cleaning the air filter can be done by washing it in a petrol bath (or big jar where it fits in, filled with car gas , (no mix, prefferably, but it is no problem) . And can best be done once a year or more when living in dusty areas .let it leak out and put it back again, so sorrow about that one for a while. one thing less to think about when it doesn't start. The little springloaded knob on top of the bowl , is standard on most carbs from dellorto and bing (and others) and is used to push down the 'floater' (or what ever it is called in english) to let all eventualy captured air out of the bowl, and let the fuel stream in. The fact that you can't reach it is a construction 'failure' from the constructor, when you drive the motor (real) hot or let it stand for a while a vacum can make that no gas will pour in to the bowl, (because of a trapped bubble of air in the tube and or bowl) than you 'll have to press on it to make the flow possible again, on my Tomos 4L i use it always before starting to make sure it goes with one step on the pedals...;-) Do not push it to long otherwise you 'll flood the engine, and it won't start at all ! Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/6/97, 12:57:16 PM Subject: Help with Tomos Targa fuel switch Hi! The on/off/reserve switch on my Targa is coming lose - when I use it, it feels like it's no longer connected reliably. The fix could be something as simple as tightening the nut, but I am not sure which one to turn and it what direction. Help! Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) Date: 8/6/97, 2:50:52 PM Subject: starting/running problem I don't want to sound repetetive, but after I cleaned out my carb and everything, it ran great for a half day and then it quit again. So apparently my problem didn't have anything to do with the gas at the carburator end. Someone mentioned that there could be a problem with the coil... Has anyone had trouble with this before? What would the symptoms of a bad coil be? I think it's sparking but haven't had a chance to check it yet. Whatever it is is wierd because it doesn't do it all the time. Sometimes it will start right away. The thing that makes me think it's not about the fuel line at all is that when I'm pedaling it with the starting clutch in it is revving, but it just won't take off. Then when I turn the throttle a little bit, it kinda groans down while it's turned. There is gas in the fuel line (based on appearance), so I don't think anything is clogged at the fuel tank either. How big of a deal is it to change the coil? How expensive for the part? Also, would the coil have anything to do with my electrical system? For instance, my head light has always been dim, but I think that's just because of the wiring. Could a coil work sometimes and not others? Please help! I'm going through moped withdrawal. I need to cruise! Thanks Jeff Coplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abburns@ingr.com (Burns, Ashley B) Date: 8/6/97, 3:56:57 PM Subject: RE: starting/running problem I recently rewound a shorted charging/lighting coil on Honda scooter. It made the headlight much brighter at lower RPMS. I am still waiting on a voltage/regulator from UPS. This was shipped 5 days before the strike but my package is stuck in limbo. Anyone getting packages from UPS? I had a ignition coil(pulse coil under the flywheel) go bad on a Yamaha scooter one time and it cost about $100 for a new one. This was about 12 years ago. I think you could rewind it yourself for under $5.00 provided you get the correct magnet wire. > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) > Date: 8/6/97, 2:50:52 PM > Subject: starting/running problem > > I don't want to sound repetetive, but after I cleaned out my carb > and everything, it ran great for a half day and then it quit again. > So apparently my problem didn't have anything to do with the gas > at the carburator end. > > Someone mentioned that there could be a problem with the coil... > Has anyone had trouble with this before? What would the symptoms > of a bad coil be? I think it's sparking but haven't had a chance > to check it yet. Whatever it is is wierd because it doesn't do it > all the time. Sometimes it will start right away. > > The thing that makes me think it's not about the fuel line at all > is that when I'm pedaling it with the starting clutch in it is > revving, but it just won't take off. Then when I turn the throttle > a little bit, it kinda groans down while it's turned. There > is gas in the fuel line (based on appearance), so I don't think > anything > is clogged at the fuel tank either. > > How big of a deal is it to change the coil? How expensive for the > part? > > Also, would the coil have anything to do with my electrical system? > For instance, my head light has always been dim, but I think that's > just > because of the wiring. Could a coil work sometimes and not others? > > Please help! I'm going through moped withdrawal. I need to cruise! > > > Thanks > > Jeff Coplan > > > > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dgwood@pacifier.com (David G Wood) Date: 8/6/97, 5:55:43 PM Subject: Re: Fw: starting/running problem On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Moped mailing list wrote: -snip- > > Someone mentioned that there could be a problem with the coil... > Has anyone had trouble with this before? What would the symptoms > of a bad coil be? I think it's sparking but haven't had a chance > to check it yet. Whatever it is is wierd because it doesn't do it > all the time. Sometimes it will start right away. -snip- > > How big of a deal is it to change the coil? How expensive for the > part? Coils are usually easy to replace. 2 or 3 wires and a couple of mounting screws. Price? I don't know about mopeds but 6 or 12 volt auto coils can be had for under $20. Now if your lighting coil/ignition coil is built into the flywheel, like a dirt bike's, it will be more difficult and expensive- like taking the flywheel off and having someone rewind it. > Also, would the coil have anything to do with my electrical system? > For instance, my head light has always been dim, but I think that's just > because of the wiring. Could a coil work sometimes and not others? Coils can have intermittent problems but 1. it's rare and 2. it's hard to diagnose. Usually, after all of the other problems have been ruled out someone will replace a coil out of desperation. The coil is part of the electrical system. If you are sure of the carb, a thorough tune-up might be in order. Besides bad coils, bad spark plugs, old plug wires and dirty or loose electrical connections could cause problems like you describe. -Dave > > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/6/97, 6:12:15 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Carb Probs Hello mopedeers, here's some must-know about (Bing) carbs... On Puch in Europe the following carburettors could be fitted: a:1-12-203 ) b:1-12-210 ) these carbs are all of type S.R.E. c:1-12-272 ) d:1-19-14 this is a 19mm carb. and I never have seen it on any Maxi. According to the documentation however, it was fitted on some sort of Maxi, if you people come across one, let me hear.. These codes are stamped on the carb's side. This is a partslist which goes together with the file bing.gif, which will be on the web at this address:(fill in the address here Andrei :-)) ANDREW: Heh, how did you know I would do it ? :) Here it is: /d/moped/puch/info/bing.gif type 1-12-203: 1: 44-021- 2: 45-41-220 needle jet 3: 22-180-24 throttle 4: 46-051 jet needle 5: 57-210 clip 6: 57-024 plate 7: 60-332 throttle spring 8: 65-522 gasket 9: 20-980 cover top 10: 40-414 bolt 11: 50-042 cable adjuster 12: 42-605 locknut 13: 65-851 rubber grommet 14: 55-135 elbow piece 15: 42-502 locknut 16: 40-525 idle adjustment screw 17: 60-140 spring idle adj. 18: 35-218 float 19: 52-055 float pin 20: 47-032 float needle 21: 30-530 float chamber 22: 65-452 gasket 23: not on this carb. 24: 34-020 banjo (fits Encarwi carbs!) 25: 50-125 bolt banjo 26: 65-121 gasket ring 27: 57-695 fuel filter 28: 40-430 vice bolt 29: 48-809 tickler 30: 60-020 tickler spring 31: 49-020 split-pin 32: 57-485 choke valve 33: 52-105 choke pin For the following carbs I only mention the different parts!! Parts not listed are the same as above... type 1-12-272: All the same as 1-12-203 type 1-12-210: 2: 45-41-222 needle jet 11: 50-045 cable adjuster 18: 35-217 float !) if one of these two is not available, 20: 47-056 float needle !) use 35-218 and 47-032 as a SET. 23: 51-320 fuel nipple Adjustments: needle 4; default in the 2nd notch, adjustment screws as desired (no defaults). A carburettor is fairly simple once you understand the principle: The air-gas mixture is archived with the following; closed throttle: air is taken in under the throttle slide or special leads at the intake. closed-1/4 opened throttle: the degrees of the sloped part under the throttle and throttle needle. 1/4-1/2 opened: combination of above and throttle needle. 1/2-full opened: combination of throttle needle and main jet. So if you have (suspect) trouble with your carb, first dismantle and clean it thoroughly, using compressed air and some cleaning solvent (Bardahl has a good cleaner). Try to determine when the problem occurs, what is the throttle opening and so on. If the main jet is clogged, it won't run at all or just 1/4 of throttle. This is most likely to be the cause of trouble. If the stationary adjustment screw must be turned in fully, and there seems to be no reaction to your adjustments, and the engine runs irately, there's a source of 'false air' somewhere. This can occur at the intake of the carb. (leaky gasket) or (more serious) at the crankshaft oilseals. Some troubles can occur with the size of the main jet. If you haven't altered anything to your air filter or exhaust pipe, this is not very likely though. If you have fitted a faster exhaust, you *must* change the main jet, and sometimes the airfilter. In case the engine stalls and runs unevenly, use a larger (62) main jet, if it runs like a four-stroke use a smaller main jet When tuning a Maxi, also remove one or both the restrictors in the air intake tube, and shorten the tube 1/3. Enjoy it, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/6/97, 6:13:47 PM Subject: Re: Fw: RE: starting/running problem In a message dated 97-08-06 17:05:10 EDT, you write: << Anyone getting packages from UPS? >> Unfortunately no. I ordered a shop manual for my '96 Tomos Targa LX from Tomos on Fri. but they said it would be shipped Mon. via UPS. UPS went on strike on Sun. so at least I know my manual is still at Tomos' USA branch. (Not that it helps.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/6/97, 6:25:22 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Carb Probs In a message dated 97-08-06 17:07:38 EDT, you write: << If you have fitted a faster exhaust, you *must* change the main jet, and sometimes the airfilter. >> I bought my Tomos Targa LX with a Biturbo exaust pipe, which is much less restrictive than stock. I do not believe that the main jet was changed from stock. The manual states that it has a "Dell'Orto Sha 14--12 P" "carburettor". I assume that this is either a 14mm or a 12mm carb. Is it possable to get a larger jet? Or another, "hotter" Dell'Orto Sha carb? If so, where? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrislo@cfw.com (chris loewl) Date: 8/6/97, 7:51:46 PM Subject: classic moped http://www.fh-karlsruhe.de/hean0017/oldie.htm nice pix of an nsu quickly (but what a dumb name for a moped) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/6/97, 9:11:47 PM Subject: Re: Carb Probs | Onderwerp: Fw: Carb Probs | Datum: woensdag 6 augustus 1997 4:09 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) | Date: 8/5/97, 9:08:22 PM | Subject: Fw: Carb Probs | | -------------- From: MForsy4745@aol.com ----------- | I don't have a fuel pump on my, I have a gravity pump, like you said. I | have solved the problem thanks to all of the e-mails I've been getting, | My | fuel line was clogged with rust particles, I need to clean the tank. | | Now my carb. is off, it doesn't run like it use too. The idle is too | fast | and the throttle just isn't working with the bike. I like the bike has | gears, it would go 15 mph and hold then 5 sec. later it would go faster. | I | think the idle springscrew and the other springscrews are off, can you | help | me here. | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Hi , i think a little piece of rust , or dust came in to the carb, and is clogging your jet (venturi) Peter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/6/97, 9:15:36 PM Subject: Re: Help with Tomos Targa fuel switch | Onderwerp: Fw: Help with Tomos Targa fuel switch | Datum: woensdag 6 augustus 1997 20:08 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) | Date: 8/6/97, 12:57:16 PM | Subject: Help with Tomos Targa fuel switch | | Hi! | | The on/off/reserve switch on my Targa is coming lose - when I use it, it | feels like it's no longer | connected reliably. The fix could be something as simple as tightening the | nut, but I am not sure which | one to turn and it what direction. | Help! | | Andrew | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Hi Andrei, When the whole unit is loose , it firstly starts leaking gas, at the nut, i think only the knob is unscrewing itselve from the tap shaft, (normal treath) some newer taps doesn't even have a treath inside and are just stamped together, super glue will do the job then. Peter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: timothy@ismi.net (TiM) Date: 8/7/97, 12:14:53 AM Subject: Mopeds Hello, i want to buy a moped thats not that expensive, ya know, something just for small transportation. I rode one today and it was really cool. Is anyone selling one?? Mail me at timothy@ismi.net Thanks. Tim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/7/97, 1:21:09 AM Subject: Re: Bing carb Hey, Peter.. At 21:20 6-08-97 +0200, you wrote: BLAHBLAH in Dutch, skip this if it's double Dutch to you :-)) >Heb je ook een parts list voor de 1/12/220 de standaard tomos 4L carb ? zo >ja dan zou ik die graag plaatsen op mijn TOMOS 4L Page.... Zekers, jongen no problem... En als je nog effe doorzeurt, stuur ik je per post nog een kopie van de onderdelenlijst van dat masjien ook nog! Maar dan wil ik wel m'n muntjes terug van kopieeren en opsturen. Dit moet ik meenemen op het werk, en dan in de pauze kopieeren, dus het is nogal wat.. Heb jij een scanner? liefst A4? Als ik er een had, zou ik je wel per email bedienen, maar ik heb maar een handscannertje. Peter asked me if I could send another list of a 1/12/220 standard tomos 4(T)L carb, and I thought it might be of interest to some of you people out there too... Knowledge is power, power to the people!! This carburettor was fitted to some Sachs engines too, with a clamp instead of a flange.. Well, Andrew, if you would do us this favour once more; picture is to be found at: /d/moped/tomos/info/tomcarb.gif Bing 1/12/220 as fitted to Tomos 4L, Sachs 3 and 4V breitwand; any additions welcome at:hansn@xs4all.nl 1: 44-923- 2: 65701 o-ring 3: 45-111-1517 needle jet 4: 65-143 gasket ring 5: 50-148 plug 6: 22-140-10 throttle 7: 46-042 jet needle 8: 57-200 clip 9: 57-023 plate 10: 60-300 throttle spring 11: 20-970 cover top 12: 65-520 gasket 13: 40-414 bolt 14: 50-045 cable adjuster 15: 42-605 locknut 16: 65-851 rubber grommet 17: 55-135 elbow piece 18: 42-502 locknut 19: 40-422 idle adjustment screw 20: 60-140 spring idle adj. 21+22: 35-920 floater 23: 32-031 float chamber top 24: 65-720 gasket 25: 40-413 bolt 26: 48-815 tickler 27: 60-020 tickler spring 28: 49-020 split-pin 29: 57-480 choke valve 30: 52-112 choke pin The folowing parts suit the carbs with clamp joint instead of flange; (Sparta 3 & 4V with Sachs Breitwand) I have no partnumbers for those, if anyone has them, let me know... 31: clamp 32: 40-430 vice bolt 33: spec. nut 34: gasket bush 35: gasket ring Have a nice day, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/7/97, 4:03:03 AM Subject: Re: Re: Bing carb | Onderwerp: Fw: Re: Bing carb | Datum: donderdag 7 augustus 1997 1:33 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) | Date: 8/7/97, 1:21:09 AM | Subject: Re: Bing carb | | Hey, Peter.. | | At 21:20 6-08-97 +0200, you wrote: | BLAHBLAH in Dutch, skip this if it's double Dutch to you :-)) | | >Heb je ook een parts list voor de 1/12/220 de standaard tomos 4L carb ? zo | >ja dan zou ik die graag plaatsen op mijn TOMOS 4L Page.... | | Zekers, jongen no problem... | En als je nog effe doorzeurt, stuur ik je per post nog een kopie van de | onderdelenlijst van dat masjien ook nog! | Maar dan wil ik wel m'n muntjes terug van kopieeren en opsturen. Dit moet ik | meenemen op het werk, en dan in de pauze kopieeren, dus het is nogal wat.. | Heb jij een scanner? liefst A4? Als ik er een had, zou ik je wel per | bedienen, maar ik heb maar een handscannertje. | | Hi Hans, Yes, Yes, Yes. Al heb ik geen A4 scanner ik ken wel iemand die er wel een heeft, no sweat. zelf heb ik geen scanner. (volgens mij heb je wel leuk werk.., ik zoek al jaren naar de onderdelen lijsten..) ik woon zelf in bergen op zoom , en 16/17 aug is er een meeting in harlingen, dus mogelijk kan ik een kopie gewoon bij je ophalen onderweg..(en effe kennis maken & afrekenen, natuurlijk) | | Peter asked me if I could send another list of a 1/12/220 standard tomos | 4(T)L carb, and I thought it might be of interest to some of you people out | there too... Knowledge is power, power to the people!! This carburettor was | fitted to some Sachs engines too, with a clamp instead of a flange.. | | Well, Andrew, if you would do us this favour once more; picture is to be | found at: /d/moped/tomos/info/tomcarb.gif | | Bing 1/12/220 as fitted to Tomos 4L, (5L) Tomos AT, Tomos NTX, Tomos Sprint, Sachs 3 and 4V breitwand; any additions | welcome at:hansn@xs4all.nl | | 1: 44-923- | 2: 65701 o-ring | 3: 45-111-1517 needle jet | 4: 65-143 gasket ring | 5: 50-148 plug | 6: 22-140-10 throttle | 7: 46-042 jet needle | 8: 57-200 clip | 9: 57-023 plate | 10: 60-300 throttle spring | 11: 20-970 cover top | 12: 65-520 gasket | 13: 40-414 bolt | 14: 50-045 cable adjuster | 15: 42-605 locknut | 16: 65-851 rubber grommet | 17: 55-135 elbow piece | 18: 42-502 locknut | 19: 40-422 idle adjustment screw | 20: 60-140 spring idle adj. | 21+22: 35-920 floater | 23: 32-031 float chamber top | 24: 65-720 gasket | 25: 40-413 bolt | 26: 48-815 tickler | 27: 60-020 tickler spring | 28: 49-020 split-pin | 29: 57-480 choke valve | 30: 52-112 choke pin | | The folowing parts suit the carbs with clamp joint instead of flange; | (Sparta 3 & 4V with Sachs Breitwand) | I have no partnumbers for those, if anyone has them, let me know... | | 31: clamp | 32: 40-430 vice bolt | 33: spec. nut | 34: gasket bush | 35: gasket ring | | | Have a nice day, | | Hans Hartman Thanks a lot , Peter | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/7/97, 4:12:47 AM Subject: Re: starting/running problem | Onderwerp: Fw: starting/running problem | Datum: woensdag 6 augustus 1997 21:54 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) | Date: 8/6/97, 2:50:52 PM | Subject: starting/running problem | | I don't want to sound repetetive, but after I cleaned out my carb | and everything, it ran great for a half day and then it quit again. | So apparently my problem didn't have anything to do with the gas | at the carburator end. | | Someone mentioned that there could be a problem with the coil... | Has anyone had trouble with this before? What would the symptoms | of a bad coil be? I think it's sparking but haven't had a chance | to check it yet. Whatever it is is wierd because it doesn't do it | all the time. Sometimes it will start right away. | | The thing that makes me think it's not about the fuel line at all | is that when I'm pedaling it with the starting clutch in it is | revving, but it just won't take off. Then when I turn the throttle | a little bit, it kinda groans down while it's turned. There | is gas in the fuel line (based on appearance), so I don't think anything | is clogged at the fuel tank either. | | How big of a deal is it to change the coil? How expensive for the | part? | | Also, would the coil have anything to do with my electrical system? | For instance, my head light has always been dim, but I think that's just | because of the wiring. Could a coil work sometimes and not others? | | Please help! I'm going through moped withdrawal. I need to cruise! | | | Thanks | | Jeff Coplan | | | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Hi Jeff, when it ran good for a while, i should clean out the carb again, the most dirt and particals get in when working on it, (have you put an inline filter in the fuel line?) maybe a little sandcorn it doing it's develish work. the coil is mostly the last thing what dies..if it is electrical, more chance for points wear out or the always sneaky bad Elco (capacitor?), check the timing and or spark brightness if you want to be sure. Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner) Date: 8/7/97, 10:42:07 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: starting/running problem Jeff, Try this to verify a working coil: Remove the spark plug. Get two clip leads. Connect the threaded part of the plug to a fin on the head of the engine (i.e. ground). Connect the tip of the plug to the high tension wire from the coil. Lay the plug on the ground. In a dimly lit environment (inside garage is good) peddle the bike and make sure the plug is sparking constantly and brightly. If so coil is probably OK. Good luck, Chuck -------------------------------------------------------- Name: Chuck Koerner E-mail: Chuck Koerner Time: 10:42:08 This message was sent by Z-Mail Pro - from NetManage NetManage - delivers Standards Based IntraNet Solutions -------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) Date: 8/7/97, 2:38:20 PM Subject: bad carb float? I just got the Puch to run again. It finally started after I turned the carb on its side and dumped the gas out of it. I believe this means it was flooded, doesn't it? Apparently this means it flooded while on the go, because that is when it has been quitting. Is it possible the float is bad in the carb? Does the float always run right at full? Does this mean it is being temperamental and sometimes will engage and other times not? Or does the carb "dump out" and then "refill" and this is why it takes so long between times it dies while it is running. Would this explain why sometimes it starts after a ton of tries? Carb experts, have at it. Let me know how long this baby is going to be breathing. Jeff Coplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thepub@koalas.com (Nathan Middleton) Date: 8/7/97, 2:55:17 PM Subject: '80 Tomos Moped Recently I purchased a Tomos moped, it's an 1980 make, don't know the model. But I was wondering if anybody knew of a good parts place? In the US that is... I've called, long distance and close, searched the Internet and such... w/ no luck. I live in Oregon, and would love a place that's local (in the state) but will take anything, thanks. Nathan Middleton thepub@artcommerce.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kelgar@po-box.mcgill.ca (Karim Elgarhy) Date: 8/7/97, 4:34:42 PM Subject: Re: Fw: RE: yamaha towny (mj50) > From: abburns@ingr.com (Burns, Ashley B) > Date: 8/4/97, 12:19:15 PM > Subject: RE: yamaha towny (mj50) > > This should be available from Yamaha. Contact any dealer that sells > Yamaha parts. The last time I > checked it was $40.00. The manual for the QT50 should be similar. > > I also have a Yamaha Towny. What kind of problems are you having? > > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > > ---------------------------------------------- > > From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) > > Date: 8/4/97, 10:45:19 AM > > Subject: Fw: yamaha towny (mj50) > > > > ----- reply to Karim Elgarhy > > Hi, I would like to get a repair manual or a manual for the Yamaha > > Towny > > or mj50 but I can't find one can you help me? > > > > Thanx. > > > > > > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Thank you. My problem is that the miles counter don't work! And I want the manual if anything happend. Just in case. Bye. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: atburns@hiwaay.net (Ashley Burns) Date: 8/7/97, 6:16:33 PM Subject: RE: Re: Fw: RE: yamaha towny (mj50) If the mileage counter does not work I doubt that the service manual will not provide much help. It probably treats the whole speedo/key assembly as one piece. I think an assembly from a qt50 is the same. Maybe a cycle junk yard will have some spares. --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- From: kelgar@po-box.mcgill.ca (Karim Elgarhy) Date: 8/7/97, 4:34:42 PM Subject: Re: Fw: RE: yamaha towny (mj50) > From: abburns@ingr.com (Burns, Ashley B) > Date: 8/4/97, 12:19:15 PM > Subject: RE: yamaha towny (mj50) > > This should be available from Yamaha. Contact any dealer that sells > Yamaha parts. The last time I > checked it was $40.00. The manual for the QT50 should be similar. > > I also have a Yamaha Towny. What kind of problems are you having? > > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > > ---------------------------------------------- > > From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) > > Date: 8/4/97, 10:45:19 AM > > Subject: Fw: yamaha towny (mj50) > > > > ----- reply to Karim Elgarhy > > Hi, I would like to get a repair manual or a manual for the Yamaha > > Towny > > or mj50 but I can't find one can you help me? > > > > Thanx. > > > > > > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Thank you. My problem is that the miles counter don't work! And I want the manual if anything happend. Just in case. Bye. --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/7/97, 6:42:37 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re:Carb Probs In a message dated 97-08-07 18:00:20 EDT, you write: >Out here in Europe you can buy Dellorto's in almost any size, Italy is the >place to shop... > Is there a place in America (maybe even near Toledo Ohio) where I could get a larger carb that would still fit the Tomos engine without mods? Possably a 14--14 or a 14--16 carb? Or can I perhaps call Tomos and get one from them? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/7/97, 6:50:28 PM Subject: Fw: plans for homemade goped ------ reply to Richard Falla i dont know if this is your specialty, but I figured you may have seen some plans for a homemade goped on the net somewhere. I am planning on building one with a lawnmower engine and any ideas would be greatly appreciated. thanks for your help, Richard Falla -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmflynn@concentric.net (Bridget Flynn) Date: 8/7/97, 7:15:22 PM Subject: Trac Moped I can buy an 80's Trac moped that's in running condition but needs some parts and minor work for $100. Does anyone know anything about Tracs? Where is a good source of parts? Any info would be greatly appreciated. As an aside, the kid who wants to sell me the moped said he doesn't drive it around anymore because he got busted for driving it without a license. My understanding was that here in Tennessee as long as its under 50cc and has pedals (this does) you don't need to register it or have a license. I got this information from a local moped/scooter dealer who will not sell a scooter to someone without a valid motorcycle license but said you don't need any kind of license for a moped. What's the deal? Did the cops and judicial system not know the law? Or is it our local dealer? It turns out this kid was convicted for driving a motorcycle without a license and had to do 25 hours of community service. They said that even if he had a valid regular driver's license he would've been ok. He was 15 at the time so I wonder if its because of his age - not an issue with me! ;-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrislo@cfw.com (chris loewl) Date: 8/7/97, 8:28:37 PM Subject: classic moped http://WWW.FH-Karlsruhe.DE/~hean0017/oldie.htm nice pix of an nsu quickly (but what a dumb name for a moped) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) Date: 8/7/97, 8:37:40 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Trac Moped >As an aside, the kid who wants to sell me the moped said he doesn't drive >it around anymore because he got busted for driving it without a license. >My understanding was that here in Tennessee as long as its under 50cc and >has pedals (this does) you don't need to register it or have a license. I >got this information from a local moped/scooter dealer who will not sell a >scooter to someone without a valid motorcycle license but said you don't >need any kind of license for a moped. What's the deal? Did the cops and >judicial system not know the law? Or is it our local dealer? It turns out >this kid was convicted for driving a motorcycle without a license and had >to do 25 hours of community service. They said that even if he had a valid >regular driver's license he would've been ok. He was 15 at the time so I >wonder if its because of his age - not an issue with me! ;-) > > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Why don't you just call your local police department and ask them? You could even go there and ask them to run a copy of the statute(s) that deal with mopeds. That way if you have any trouble (like I did), you can just refer them to the statute. (Unfortunately I was wrong). Jeff Coplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/7/97, 9:26:42 PM Subject: Re:Carb Probs Hello, At 17:40 6-08-97 -0500, you wrote: ><< If you have fitted a faster exhaust, you *must* change the main jet, and > sometimes the airfilter. >> >I bought my Tomos Targa LX with a Biturbo exaust pipe, which is much less >restrictive than stock. I do not believe that the main jet was changed from >stock. If it runs OK with that carb setting, it's the famous exception to the rule, or that exhaust isn't that much faster then stock. >The manual states that it has a "Dell'Orto Sha 14--12 P" >>"carburettor". I assume that this is either a 14mm or a 12mm carb. No. it's both! the size nearest to the cylinder is 14, at the air intake 12. >>Is it possable to get a larger jet? >Or another, "hotter" Dell'Orto Sha carb? If >>so, where? Out here in Europe you can buy Dellorto's in almost any size, Italy is the place to shop... Cheers, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/7/97, 10:45:16 PM Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Re: starting/running problem | Onderwerp: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: starting/running problem | Datum: donderdag 7 augustus 1997 20:24 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner) | Date: 8/7/97, 10:42:07 AM | Subject: Re: Fw: Re: starting/running problem | | Jeff, | Try this to verify a working coil: Remove the spark plug. Get two clip leads. Connect the | threaded part of the plug to a fin on the head of the engine (i.e. ground). Connect the tip of | the plug to the high tension wire from the coil. Lay the plug on the ground. In a dimly lit | environment (inside garage is good) peddle the bike and make sure the plug is sparking | constantly and brightly. If so coil is probably OK. | Good luck, Chuck | -------------------------------------------------------- | Name: Chuck Koerner | E-mail: Chuck Koerner | Time: 10:42:08 | | This message was sent by Z-Mail Pro - from NetManage | NetManage - delivers Standards Based IntraNet Solutions | -------------------------------------------------------- | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ And make sure your gas tap is closed, and/or do it in a well ventilated area otherwise you might get a good BLAST, (from the explosive gasses coming out of the sparkplug hole, you wouldn't be the fist who has blown up his workshed this way) Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmflynn@concentric.net (Bridget Flynn) Date: 8/7/97, 11:00:38 PM Subject: Re: Laws (was Trac Moped) > >Why don't you just call your local police department and ask them? You could >even go there and ask them to run a copy of the statute(s) that deal with >mopeds. That way if you have any trouble (like I did), you can just refer >them to the statute. (Unfortunately I was wrong). > >Jeff Coplan > I tried that already. They don't really know. There's one guy in our state DMV office who is an expert in motorcycle law who supposedly knows...I haven't been able to get in touch with him, but I'll keep trying! Although asking Metro Police to run a copy of the statutes is a good idea - I'll try that, too. Bridget -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: duckdogs@bright.net (Kauffman's) Date: 8/8/97, 1:00:35 AM Subject: Floats Jeff Coplan wrote > Is it possible the float is >bad in the carb? Does the float always run right at full? Why not test it? You could prob take the thing apart and set it in a container of gas and observe the float. It should of course float. If it doesn't, it prob has a hole in it and is full of gas. Another possibility is that the needle valve is'nt shutting off the incoming gas. I think the end of the needle valve in mine has a little rubber tip. Is it in good condition? The float operates like the one in a toilet tank except that I cant imagine the one in the carb would allow the bowl to become completely empty. Greg Kauffman Greg Kauffman 1974 2002 Tii 1968 Z28 1988 Suburban, the "Rig" 1970 Norton Commando S 1979 Puch Maxi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kjs216@psu.edu (Stump) Date: 8/8/97, 2:42:10 AM Subject: Happy Days with the Ole 'Ped I recently purchased a 'ped. I am looking to learn as much as possible about it. Any information you can give me about the history, value, operations of my bike would help tremendously. I have a General "5 Star." This is what the bike reads on the side. It was purchased new at a local moped shop, in 1980, of course. Upon inspection of the V.I.N. plate, the 'ped was made by "Jui Li Enterprises," Taiwan in Dec. 1979. The bike has a Minarelli motor, read "Motori Minarelli." The bike is a "high-tank" model, chromed out. The bike is very appealing and looks like a little motorcycle. The only problem with the bike is the speedometer, the odometer works though. It runs perfectly and from what I was told, was professionally tuned 6 months ago. All the bells and whistles. Batteries, 12-volt system, horn, turn-signals, brake/tail lights. Questions: What gas mixture should I use? How can I increase the speed or power; with either a restrictor exhaust or a free-flow? How can I tune it? What octane fuel shoud I use? How can I maintain it to last? What are the specs? What reputation does this bike have? etc. etc. etc. I know this is pushy and a lot to ask, but I am new and very interested. I like to tinker and am literate with inter. comb. engines. What can I do to it. Going down hills, at a point of apparent maximum speed, a clicking sound arises. I am assuming this is the installed "governor" to regulate the speed? It sounds like a flap closing to choke the engine and drown the necessary air. Can I remove this? Any help would be greatly appreciated and I thank you for reading this huge post. Kurt Stump kjs216@psu.edu o/ /| / > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/8/97, 3:25:18 AM Subject: Re: bad carb float? | Datum: donderdag 7 augustus 1997 23:05 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) | Date: 8/7/97, 2:38:20 PM | Subject: bad carb float? | | I just got the Puch to run again. It finally started after I | turned the carb on its side and dumped the gas out of it. | I believe this means it was flooded, doesn't it? | | Apparently this means it flooded while on the go, because that | is when it has been quitting. Is it possible the float is | bad in the carb? Does the float always run right at full? | Does this mean it is being temperamental and sometimes will | engage and other times not? Or does the carb "dump out" and then | "refill" and this is why it takes so long between times it dies | while it is running. Would this explain why sometimes it | starts after a ton of tries? | | Carb experts, have at it. | Let me know how long this baby is going to be breathing. | | Jeff Coplan | | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Nope , don't dig to deep..... Jeff i al ready told you (that's what i think , doen't have to be thrue ) to clean the darn thing, (again) by tilting it and let the gas run out possible the tiny partical blocking the jet (or a channel) flooded out (if you where lucky) otherwise it is still in there waiting for its chance to kill your driving fun for the next time. (take it off (and demontage every screwable part) and clean it with some compressed air (or blow it out) and , put it together on a superclean table !) Peter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: catrinus.wallet@bangate1.TEK.COM () Date: 8/8/97, 8:15:59 AM Subject: re: Trac Moped (actually, Moped Laws) Where I live, in Oregon, the law is that you must have a regular drivers' license to drive a moped. Thus, at least in Oregon the kid you talked to would NOT be legal at 15 (since you must be at least 16 [Europeans, eat your heart out!] to get a drivers' license). Also, the moped MUST have license plates and liability insurance. Also, they are considered motor vehichles, so mopeds may NOT use any of the wonderful bike paths that are being built in the Portland area. I truly believe that this is the single most important reason why mopeds have never caught on in most places in the USA -- it's just too nerve wracking to compete with autos on most city streets, especially when you're doing the speed limit (25 or 30 mph) around town and all of the yahoos insist on going 45. Also, the cars seem to get angry because I'm not riding in the bike lane! I wonder if there is an advocacy group around that could start to work on the issue of letting mopeds to use street bike lanes. By the way, in Oregon the dept of Motor Vehicles puts out a book called "Motorcycle and Moped Handbook" which details all of the requirements for mopeds. Perhaps other states do as well. To reply to me directly, please send e mail to Catrinus.Wallet@juno.com Beaverton, Oregon, USA ------------- Original Text From: Moped mailing list --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- From: bmflynn@concentric.net (Bridget Flynn) Date: 8/7/97, 7:15:22 PM Subject: Trac Moped I can buy an 80's Trac moped that's in running condition but needs some parts and minor work for $100. Does anyone know anything about Tracs? Where is a good source of parts? Any info would be greatly appreciated. As an aside, the kid who wants to sell me the moped said he doesn't drive it around anymore because he got busted for driving it without a license. My understanding was that here in Tennessee as long as its under 50cc and has pedals (this does) you don't need to register it or have a license. I got this information from a local moped/scooter dealer who will not sell a scooter to someone without a valid motorcycle license but said you don't need any kind of license for a moped. What's the deal? Did the cops and judicial system not know the law? Or is it our local dealer? It turns out this kid was convicted for driving a motorcycle without a license and had to do 25 hours of community service. They said that even if he had a valid regular driver's license he would've been ok. He was 15 at the time so I wonder if its because of his age - not an issue with me! ;-) --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner) Date: 8/8/97, 9:18:10 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: bad carb float? Jeff, A good way to test the float is with the carb off the bike; turn the carb upside down and you should not be able to blow into the gas line. Another simpler way to test it on the bike is to simply turn on the gas valve and wait. After a while you'll see gas dripping from the carb if the float is leaking.... Good luck, Chuck --- On Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:54:36 -0500 Moped mailing list > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) > Date: 8/8/97, 3:25:18 AM > Subject: Re: bad carb float? > > > > | Datum: donderdag 7 augustus 1997 23:05 > | > | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > | From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) > | Date: 8/7/97, 2:38:20 PM > | Subject: bad carb float? > | > | I just got the Puch to run again. It finally started after I > | turned the carb on its side and dumped the gas out of it. > | I believe this means it was flooded, doesn't it? > | > | Apparently this means it flooded while on the go, because that > | is when it has been quitting. Is it possible the float is > | bad in the carb? Does the float always run right at full? > | Does this mean it is being temperamental and sometimes will > | engage and other times not? Or does the carb "dump out" and then > | "refill" and this is why it takes so long between times it dies > | while it is running. Would this explain why sometimes it > | starts after a ton of tries? > | > | Carb experts, have at it. > | Let me know how long this baby is going to be breathing. > | > | Jeff Coplan > | > | > | > | > | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ > Nope , don't dig to deep..... > Jeff i al ready told you (that's what i think , doen't have to be thrue ) > to clean the darn thing, (again) by tilting it and let the gas run out > possible the tiny partical blocking the jet (or a channel) flooded out (if > you where > lucky) otherwise it is still in there waiting for its chance to kill your > driving fun for the next time. > (take it off (and demontage every screwable part) and clean it with some > compressed air (or blow it out) and , put it together on a superclean > table !) > Peter. > > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ > ---------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------- Name: Chuck Koerner E-mail: Chuck Koerner Time: 09:18:11 This message was sent by Z-Mail Pro - from NetManage NetManage - delivers Standards Based IntraNet Solutions -------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/8/97, 9:33:13 AM Subject: Re: Fw: '80 Tomos Moped In a message dated 97-08-08 01:11:52 EDT, you write: >Recently I purchased a Tomos moped, it's an 1980 make, don't know the >model. But I was wondering if anybody knew of a good parts place? In >the US that is... I've called, long distance and close, searched the >Internet and such... w/ no luck. I live in Oregon, and would love a >place that's local (in the state) but will take anything, thanks. You may be able to mail order parts directly from Tomos USA. Their number is 1-800-845-7007. Unfortunately they ship UPS. They are currently looking for other parcel carriers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/8/97, 4:33:17 PM Subject: Fw: just purchased a 1983 Garelli Super Sport XL... ------ reply to Rip Van Winkle My son(12 yrs old) and I just purchased a 1983 Garelli Super sport XL,do you know where we can find parts or how we can get ahold of an owners manual?It has 2200 miles on it,runs smooth,starts easy too.Best top speed we can get out of it seems to be 25 mph.Any way to up it's performance? What oil do we use in the fuel and what would you recommend in an oil to gas ratio? Thanks,Rudy Brinker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) Date: 8/8/97, 5:47:05 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Trac Moped >> Why don't you just call your local police department and ask them? You >> could >> even go there and ask them to run a copy of the statute(s) that deal with >> mopeds. That way if you have any trouble (like I did), you can just refer >> them to the statute. (Unfortunately I was wrong). >What happened to you ? >I checked the archive and I don't think you told that story on the Moped List. > >Andrew Nothing serious, the three of us just got pulled over a total of three times in about a week and a half for not wearing eye glasses. The statute in SD is a little bit tricky on wearing eye protection. It says anyone the rides a motorcycle must wear it. But, however, it defines a motorcycle as anything with two wheels and a motor. We finally broke down and bought $10 glasses from the gas station. Of course 90 % of our mopeding is night cruising. Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TEMPLE99@aol.com () Date: 8/8/97, 5:52:51 PM Subject: Puch Help, I aquired a 1958 VS 50 puch moped about a month ago, at least I think it is a 1958. I found a picture on the net that resembles this exactly except mine has a pancake muffler. Anyway close enough. I would very much like to restore this mess but I am in need of some cosmetic parts and engine parts. This moped is pretty rough but it could be done with a little help. Is there anyone out there I could chat with about this undertaking?? Do I have trash or treasure?? I like the looks of this one and think it maybe a fun project, but it is old and Iam sure it won't be easy finding parts. If you can help or know who I can contact, please send e-mail. Thankyou, I will keep my fingers crossed. TEMPLE99@aol.com. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmflynn@concentric.net (Bridget Flynn) Date: 8/8/97, 6:51:22 PM Subject: Trac Moped (NOT laws...) Back to my original question...has anyone ever heard of a Trac moped? I do know that it has automatic oil injection (like the Tomos) if that helps. Thanks, Bridget -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/8/97, 9:02:40 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Happy Days with the Ole 'Ped In a message dated 97-08-08 18:03:22 EDT, you write: > What octane fuel shoud I use? I use Premium in my Tomos, but it only requires regular unleaded. I figure that with over 100 mpg (133 if the calculator is correct) it can't hurt to spring for Premium fuel with it's extra cleaning additives for the fuel system. I can't help you with the mixture for your specific bike, but new one typically use 40:1 or 50:1. Try 30:1 and if the plug fouls then try 40:1 and so on but not past 50:1. Also NEVER use outboard engine 2-stroke oil for the 'ped, the oil should say somewhere that it is "TC" oil "TC-W" is for outboards, don't use it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/8/97, 9:09:14 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Laws (was Trac Moped) Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: bmflynn@concentric.net (Bridget Flynn) > Date: 8/7/97, 11:00:38 PM > Subject: Re: Laws (was Trac Moped) > > > > >Why don't you just call your local police department and ask them? You could > >even go there and ask them to run a copy of the statute(s) that deal with > >mopeds. That way if you have any trouble (like I did), you can just refer > >them to the statute. (Unfortunately I was wrong). > > > >Jeff Coplan > > > I tried that already. They don't really know. There's one guy in our > state DMV office who is an expert in motorcycle law who supposedly > knows...I haven't been able to get in touch with him, but I'll keep trying! > Although asking Metro Police to run a copy of the statutes is a good idea > - I'll try that, too. Bridget > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Or if you have a good library nearby (or a county courthouse with a library and librarian), ask the reference librarian to help you find the statutes that relate to mopeds (usually listed in statutes as motorized bicycles; check index). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) Date: 8/9/97, 8:31:55 AM Subject: puch manual I just got my Puch manual from Andover cycles. For any Puch owner, this is the way to go. This is one of the most detailed repair manuals I have ever seen. They are only $15 and Andover will have them to you in just a couple days. They'll also send some cool pictures of new Puch mopeds with it if you ask. By the way, does anyone know why moped companies used to go to such lengths to make sure the owners knew how to maintain them? It's like the companies expected them to be low cost, high maintainance or something. If anyone knows the philosophy of the moped companies I would be curious to hear about it. Jeff Coplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PHATone74@aol.com () Date: 8/9/97, 10:44:56 AM Subject: Re: Fw: just purchased a 1983 Garelli Super Sport XL... Well, for parts contact Steve at mopedmoped@aol.com The gas oil ratio is printed on the side of the oil container. P.S. I own a Garelli Supersport XL. good luck, Ben Tarr (PHATone74@aol.com) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/9/97, 11:34:46 AM Subject: Re: Fw: re: Trac Moped (actually, Moped Laws) Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: catrinus.wallet@bangate1.TEK.COM () > Date: 8/8/97, 8:15:59 AM > Subject: re: Trac Moped (actually, Moped Laws) > > Where I live, in Oregon, the law is that you must have > a regular drivers' license to drive a moped. Thus, at > least in Oregon the kid you talked to would NOT be > legal at 15 (since you must be at least 16 [Europeans, > eat your heart out!] to get a drivers' license). Also, the > moped MUST have license plates and liability insurance. > > Also, they are considered motor vehichles, so mopeds > may NOT use any of the wonderful bike paths that are > being built in the Portland area. I truly believe that this > is the single most important reason why mopeds have > never caught on in most places in the USA -- it's just too > nerve wracking to compete with autos on most city streets, > especially when you're doing the speed limit (25 or 30 mph) > around town and all of the yahoos insist on going 45. Also, > the cars seem to get angry because I'm not riding in the > bike lane! I wonder if there is an advocacy group around > that could start to work on the issue of letting mopeds to > use street bike lanes. > > By the way, in Oregon the dept of Motor Vehicles puts out a > book called "Motorcycle and Moped Handbook" which details > all of the requirements for mopeds. Perhaps other states do > as well. > > To reply to me directly, please send e mail to > Catrinus.Wallet@juno.com > > Beaverton, Oregon, USA > ------------- > Original Text > From: Moped mailing list > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > From: bmflynn@concentric.net (Bridget Flynn) > Date: 8/7/97, 7:15:22 PM > Subject: Trac Moped > > I can buy an 80's Trac moped that's in running condition but needs some > parts and minor work for $100. Does anyone know anything about Tracs? > Where is a good source of parts? Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > As an aside, the kid who wants to sell me the moped said he doesn't drive > it around anymore because he got busted for driving it without a license. > My understanding was that here in Tennessee as long as its under 50cc and > has pedals (this does) you don't need to register it or have a license. I > got this information from a local moped/scooter dealer who will not sell a > scooter to someone without a valid motorcycle license but said you don't > need any kind of license for a moped. What's the deal? Did the cops and > judicial system not know the law? Or is it our local dealer? It turns out > this kid was convicted for driving a motorcycle without a license and had > to do 25 hours of community service. They said that even if he had a valid > regular driver's license he would've been ok. He was 15 at the time so I > wonder if its because of his age - not an issue with me! ;-) > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ RE: advocacy group, this listserv would be the best place to get one started. I'm sure we have a lot of resources among ourselves. While not currently practicing, I'm trained as an attorney, and I've spent a bit of time looking over the NJ laws. In fact, I asked my state senator to amend the law to allow 2 up on a moped for those who have a motorcycle license, because I wanted to take my kid as a passenger to teach him safe operation of a ped. In NJ, one can get a ped only license at 15, but must be 17 for a driver's license. (My ped is a Vespa Grande, designed for 2 up). He liked the idea and pursued it, but someone from Kawasaki (who doesn't even know the first damn thing about Vespas) told a person at DMV that 2up on a ped was dangerous. So he wouldn't sponsor the amendment. IN NJ, peds may use bike paths, unlike Oregon, so you might want to get a copy of the NJ ped manual from NJ DMV in Trenton and show your legislator. He (or she) may be willing to sponsor a bill to amend, or easier yet, if legislation doesn't restrict, the governor may issue a directive personally or through his director of DMV interpreting the existing laws to permit peds on paths. GOOD LUCK! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/9/97, 1:24:58 PM Subject: Re: Fw: just purchased a 1983 Garelli Super Sport XL... In a message dated 97-08-08 21:34:25 EDT, you write: > What oil do we use in the fuel and what would you recommend > in an oil to gas ratio? Use two-cycle oil, but never outboard engine oil as outboards have different needs than do mopeds. According to a 1979 book the gas/oil mixture should be 30:1, but if that fouls your plug you should have no problem with a 40:1 mixture because of advances in the way oil is produced. You will certainly be able to use a 40:1 ratio if you use synthetic two cycle oil. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/9/97, 2:18:50 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Puch At 16:59 8-08-97 -0500, you wrote: >Help, I aquired a 1958 VS 50 puch moped about a month ago, at least I think >it is a 1958. I found a picture on the net that resembles this exactly Well, ain't that nice... Though I don't think it's 1958, or let's say the possibility is remote. Having a pan-cake exhaust really says little about year of manufacture. They had those a number of years. The 56-58 version was the MS50(L) the VS had three gears, the MS two. There was a large variety of models, with small (cosmetic) differences. There were Skyhunters, Skytracks, Skyriders and Skylark (which was really different) As far as I can tell (I'm no Puch expert) Puch ceased production of these models in 1978-79, so your bike could be in between those years. Can't you put a picture on the web? This sure helps identifying this little sucker.. >like to restore this mess but I am in need of some cosmetic parts and engine >parts. This moped is pretty rough but it could be done with a little help. > Is there anyone out there I could chat with about this undertaking?? Yes, me and Mr. Staal, although Peter is more into Tomos, on his search for parts and info, he's bound to come across some Puch parts. >Do I >have trash or treasure?? I like the looks of this one and think it maybe a The older it is, the more treasure here on the continent. >fun project, but it is old and Iam sure it won't be easy finding parts. If >you can help or know who I can contact, please send e-mail. Finding parts isn't as hard as shipping it over, and the prices have gone up these last years over here. It's a bit of a new trend nowadays, to buy your son the bike you used to ride, and restore it. Make a list of what you need, and email it. I'll try and give you some prices. >I will keep my fingers crossed. And your cheque-book open ....... Cheers, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/9/97, 6:24:34 PM Subject: Porting-job for speed. Hello mopedeers, on request: How to get some more performance out of your ped.. I'll keep it simple, and only mention the methods you can use with your house-garden and kitchen tools. I cannot make a complete bible on tuning. First of all you need to understand, that the higher the pressure in your cylinder becomes, the higher your vacuum becomes, and thus increase the power of the moped. A good gasflow is achieved by rounding off all edges you can find, and polishing in- and exhaust canals and crankcase like a mirror.. Look at picture /d/moped/FLOW.GIF to see the differences a little handy-work does to the gas-flow. The shape can be altered too in the process, although you must know what you're doing there. Look at /d/moped/SHAPE.GIF to see what the shape of a port can do to the flow. To do this you first of all grind the cylinder-head off on a glass-plate covered with fine sandpaper. Make a circular motion, and take off as much as you dare, then try it out for results. The piston needs a tune up too, it's to heavy and the skirt needs to be flowed. Look at pictures /d/moped/PISTON1.GIF and /d/moped/PISTON2.GIF and you see what I mean. Use a fine file to make the piston as in piston2.gif on the right you see the standard piston, on the left the one that has been worked on. Look at piston1.gif, and you can see that the skirt of the piston has not only another shape, but has been shortened too. Use the formula that you take off 5 percent of the skirt of the piston stroke which your engine makes. So if your stroke is 43mm, you shorten the skirt with 2.15mm... Shortening the skirt will not prolong the piston's longevity, it will turn over sooner and wear more quickly. After you've altered it's shape like that, use a very fine sandpaper (600) to polish the piston where you did your work, it's not smooth enough there anymore. The cylinder is tuned as follows: Put it upside down on a working bench with the exhaust port towards you. Lay some wood or card-board in the cylinder, and start filing out the exhaust port. The cardboard or wood is to prevent you from damaging the cylinder barrel. You may only file *downward*, and just a little bit off the sides, this varies per engine. If you make the port too wide, the pistonrings will get stuck in it and break, causing a seizure!! To prevent this from happening, round the edges in the cylinder as S3 in picture /d/moped/FLOW.GIF The inlet-port must be filed *upward* (perhaps it's best you turn the cylinder around because filing down is more easy then up.) In picture /d/moped/CARTCYL.GIF you can see where the cylinder and Carter needs treatment from the tuning doctor. The white line indicates where you have to remove material and/or smooth the surface by polishing. In picture /d/moped/CYL1.GIF you can see where to file out the ports.. After you've done that, smooth the cilinder surface near and around the ports with waterproof sandpaper 600. After you've done these modifications, a larger carburetor becomes necessary. Some carbs. can be drilled up, look at the diameter of your throttle slide to determine how much can be drilled out. When you drill out a carb., take special notice *NOT* to damage the little copper thingy in the middle, this is the needle jet, and the outlet of the main jet!! Damaging this means destroying the carb!!! Changing the exhaust pipe is evident too, there mostly is enough of those in aftermarket shops. Recommended: Malossi, Leonvinci and Polini. It must be clear that a good, solid increase of power is only achieved by a massive increase of Rpm's. If you got a rev counter, see that you get it around at least 12.000 rpm. These actions will *NOT* prolong the longevity of various components in your engine: piston, cylinder, bearings and clutch. I have seen well-tuned mopeds which blew up their clutch, and needed a piston every race!! Besides, I hate finding nice classic mopeds which were tuned to the ground. They are a bitch to restore! So don't do this to your classic! Over the years, I found that mopeds (most of them) ride best and last the longest with speeds like 35-40 Miles/h. They do not last very long above that. There are mopeds which I would *never* tune, like Tomos or Jawa. Well, how's that for starters? I did some work on this you know, so you people get down and work that engine!! If you see some discrepancy in my writing, please let me know; I am a bit chaotically.... O, yes I almost forgot; for legal reasons: THIS IS ALL PROHIBITED BY LAW AND MAY CAUSE SERIOUS INJURY TO YOU AND OTHERS, DON'T DO THIS AT HOME!!!! Uuh, Andrew perhaps a good for idea for making web-pages? I'll deliver the copy, if I have the time that is... Cheers, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: britton14@hotmail.com (Britton Wood) Date: 8/9/97, 6:32:33 PM Subject: MOPED WANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm looking for a moped, any brand that is in good condition for $250 or less. Must be in working condition. Thanks-Britton britton14@hotmail.com truth@monumental.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/9/97, 10:06:03 PM Subject: Re: RE: Re: Fw: RE: yamaha towny (mj50) Onderwerp: Fw: RE: Re: Fw: RE: yamaha towny (mj50) Datum: vrijdag 8 augustus 1997 23:59 --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- From: atburns@hiwaay.net (Ashley Burns) Date: 8/7/97, 6:16:33 PM Subject: RE: Re: Fw: RE: yamaha towny (mj50) If the mileage counter does not work I doubt that the service manual will not provide much help. It probably treats the whole speedo/key assembly as one piece. I think an assembly from a qt50 is the same. Maybe a cycle junk yard will have some spares. --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- From: kelgar@po-box.mcgill.ca (Karim Elgarhy) Date: 8/7/97, 4:34:42 PM Subject: Re: Fw: RE: yamaha towny (mj50) > From: abburns@ingr.com (Burns, Ashley B) > Date: 8/4/97, 12:19:15 PM > Subject: RE: yamaha towny (mj50) > > This should be available from Yamaha. Contact any dealer that sells > Yamaha parts. The last time I > checked it was $40.00. The manual for the QT50 should be similar. > > I also have a Yamaha Towny. What kind of problems are you having? > > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > > ---------------------------------------------- > > From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) > > Date: 8/4/97, 10:45:19 AM > > Subject: Fw: yamaha towny (mj50) > > > > ----- reply to Karim Elgarhy > > Hi, I would like to get a repair manual or a manual for the Yamaha > > Towny > > or mj50 but I can't find one can you help me? > > > > Thanx. > > > > > > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Thank you. My problem is that the miles counter don't work! And I want the manual if anything happend. Just in case. Bye. --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ 9 out of 10 , if the speedometer doesn't work it is the cable-end or the 'wheel-pickup gear' what is gone..... (don't know if this relevant, but it is a thought.) Peter. --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/9/97, 10:12:53 PM Subject: Re: Puch | Onderwerp: Fw: Puch | Datum: vrijdag 8 augustus 1997 23:59 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: TEMPLE99@aol.com () | Date: 8/8/97, 5:52:51 PM | Subject: Puch | | Help, I aquired a 1958 VS 50 puch moped about a month ago, at least I think | it is a 1958. I found a picture on the net that resembles this exactly | except mine has a pancake muffler. Anyway close enough. I would very much | like to restore this mess but I am in need of some cosmetic parts and engine | parts. This moped is pretty rough but it could be done with a little help. | Is there anyone out there I could chat with about this undertaking?? Do I | have trash or treasure?? I like the looks of this one and think it maybe a | fun project, but it is old and Iam sure it won't be easy finding parts. If | you can help or know who I can contact, please send e-mail. | | Thankyou, | | I will keep my fingers crossed. | | TEMPLE99@aol.com. | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Hello , you have just bought the heaven on wheels..it is a masterpiece of austian engeneering, and can be fixed with a little courage and some luck. (don't know what your missing) In the netherlands there are still a lot of 'em on the road, you simply can't kill 'em tomos made some 'copies' but with the same parts, (i have 2 x, a 3 gears type) more info at my page : Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/10/97, 12:28:06 PM Subject: Re: Moped Hello Tom, well i do live in europe and doesn't have any idea what's on the market in the us at the moment, that's why i will forward this message to the moped mailing list, (how to reach 'em, you can find on my home page by clicking on the MOPED MAILING LIST logo) there are more Us participants there who know the moped markets ins and outs. good luck in finding your youthly spirit again, (but be carefull) Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 ---------- | Van: Barman3565@aol.com | Aan: staal@concepts.nl | Onderwerp: Moped | Datum: zondag 10 augustus 1997 1:42 | | Hi, my name is Tom. I am 33 and live in New Jersey. I am looking to | purchase a moped that kind of has the look of a motorcyle. Back in 1978 I | used to own a Laser and a General. Do you know what the best moped out there | is? I can't wait to buy one and relive my past!!! | | Thanks, | | Tom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paltron@interlog.com (Paul Angyal) Date: 8/10/97, 8:18:06 PM Subject: Re: Fw: '80 Tomos Moped Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: thepub@koalas.com (Nathan Middleton) > Date: 8/7/97, 2:55:17 PM > Subject: '80 Tomos Moped > > Recently I purchased a Tomos moped, it's an 1980 make, don't know the > model. But I was wondering if anybody knew of a good parts place? In > the US that is... I've called, long distance and close, searched the > Internet and such... w/ no luck. I live in Oregon, and would love a > place that's local (in the state) but will take anything, thanks. > > Nathan Middleton > thepub@artcommerce.com > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Try Tomos US at 800-845-7007. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: britton14@hotmail.com (Britton Wood) Date: 8/11/97, 6:21:27 AM Subject: PLEASE GIVE INFO.... Hello, I'm thinking about buying a 1977 Garelli Supersport XL, Can anyone please give me info about this moped!?!!!! THANKS, Britton ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/11/97, 10:37:33 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Porting-job for speed. In a message dated 97-08-11 09:49:52 EDT, you write: > There are mopeds which I would *never* tune, like Tomos or Jawa. Why? I am interested in porting and polishing my Tomos A35 engine. Is it inadvisable to try this with a Tomos engine? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/11/97, 10:44:56 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Moped In a message dated 97-08-11 09:50:53 EDT, you write: >Do you know what the best moped out >there My personal opinion is a new Tomos Targa LX (High Tank, looks like a motorcycle) with a Biturbo exaust because it is fast enough (35-40 mph) to make longer trips possible. (If not preferable.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/11/97, 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: Fw: puch manual In a message dated 97-08-11 09:52:47 EDT, you write: >By the way, does anyone know why moped companies >used to go to such lengths to make sure the owners >knew how to maintain them? Because the original idea was for them to be low cost methods of transport. The less the owner knows about how to maintain a moped the more oftem he/she has to pay a mechanic, which can seriously affect the cost of ownership over time. Also most 'peds were "simple" enough that most mechanically inclined people would have no problem with routine maintenance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/11/97, 11:02:29 AM Subject: Moped Club?? Does anyone know of any moped clubs in the US? Preferably in Ohio? Or, if I am really lucky within 25 miles of Toledo? I have noticed an increasing number of mopeds on the roads in my town (Up from 1 to 4). I just wondered if someone had thought of a club. Maybe if there were enough people we could gain some clout and perhaps influence the state moped laws. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 00217218@bigred.unl.edu (CHRIS SPARKS) Date: 8/11/97, 1:53:24 PM Subject: Puch Parts Where can I get parts for a PUCH moped? Please mail me! Email address ---> Brad.Toussaint@drake.edu Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: britton14@hotmail.com (Britton Wood) Date: 8/11/97, 4:25:08 PM Subject: HANS HARTMAN Hans Hartman, I hope that you are reading this. I have seen your comments/advice about mopeds all over the net, and request your expertise. I need information about a '77 Garelli Supersport XL-top speed, engine type, every bit of your knowledge about this moped is appreciated. ALSO anyone else who knows anything about the '77 Garelli Supersport XL-Please e-mail me at britton14@hotmail.com Thank you. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paltron@interlog.com (Paul Angyal) Date: 8/11/97, 8:13:47 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: PUCH MAXI Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) > Date: 8/11/97, 10:00:50 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: PUCH MAXI > > Hi Kirk, > At 08:46 11-08-97 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hi, my name is kirk and I have a PUCH MAXI That was purchased in the USA > >and in need of some information on the engine. If you know of, or have any > >information that would aid me in tuning the motor i.e.> > > Here we go: > > sparkplug, NGK B5HS or Bosch W5AC. incorrect; US versions use B6HS or Champion L86C > gas mixture, 1:50 > Oil in motor: ATF (automatic transmision fluid, the same u use your V8's) Absolutely not!!!Never use tranny fluid in a moped. If the Puch is the kind that has oil in the gearbox, it is gear-oil, but not the automatic (pink) stuff!!! > Points gap 00.15 Inch (0.40 mm) No, 0.6mm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/11/97, 10:00:50 PM Subject: Re: Fw: PUCH MAXI Hi Kirk, At 08:46 11-08-97 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, my name is kirk and I have a PUCH MAXI That was purchased in the USA >and in need of some information on the engine. If you know of, or have any >information that would aid me in tuning the motor i.e.> Here we go: points: Bosch nr. 1217013.021 sparkplug, NGK B5HS or Bosch W5AC. gas mixture, 1:50 Oil in motor: ATF (automatic transmision fluid, the same u use your V8's) Points gap 00.15 Inch (0.40 mm) Ignition timing 1 mm before TDC (top dead center) Chain 1/2X3/16 narrow 100 links great isn't it? Cheers, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/11/97, 10:00:56 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Porting-job for speed. Hello Aaron, At 09:41 11-08-97 -0500, you and I wrote: >In a message dated 97-08-11 09:49:52 EDT, you write: > >> There are mopeds which I would *never* tune, like Tomos or Jawa. > >Why? I am interested in porting and polishing my Tomos A35 engine. Is it >inadvisable to try this with a Tomos engine? Tomos (A3-A35) has the nasty habit of pushing it's crankshaft oilseals right out of their seats if the RPM's get higher then stock. I have a weekly (at least) job of replacing oil-seals in *stock* ones... That problem could be fixed by using some sort of (loctite) glue to stick them in their seats. But there's a problem with the clutch(es) too, they don't last long when the bike is tuned. After the seals and clutch comes the main shaft and it's roller one-way clutch, it tends to wear out and make terrible rattling noises. The clutch and main shaft are pretty costly, my guess is, you could drive almost one year on a tuned (NEW) Tomos.. Besides, your Tomos (being a A35) has a Reed-valve inlet. So there isn't much to port there. You could better purchase yourself a Puch Maxi, Vespa,MBK or Peugeot moped if you want to tune it.. Cheers, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barman3565@aol.com () Date: 8/12/97, 12:19:27 AM Subject: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? Hi moped Maniacs!!!! My name is Tom and I got to ask this question. Back in 1978 I was 15 years old and my Lazer Moped was the best thing in my life. It was freedom, fun, and everyone loved riding it. Why is it today that when I talk about buying a moped people laugh at me. They make jokes like (a harley dude will see me on it and kick me and my moped onto the ground)! What is wrong with these people? I am 33 years old and I will never give into peer pressure but why do people view riding a moped as something WIMPY ? They are fun to ride and not dangerous like riding a motorcycle. You know people would want to ride it if they saw it, but yet they make fun of it. Any comments out there? Tom. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kjs216@psu.edu (Stump) Date: 8/12/97, 12:33:10 AM Subject: Re: Re: Fw: PUCH MAXI Should all mopeds use ATF for their casing oil? Mine, 1980 General (Minarelli), doesn't specify other than "Motor Oil 20." Kurt Stump kjs216@psu.edu o/ /| / > -- Oil in motor: ATF (automatic transmision fluid, the same u use your V8's) Cheers, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kjs216@psu.edu (Stump) Date: 8/12/97, 12:36:43 AM Subject: Fw: Happy Days with the Ole 'Ped I'm going to repost this since no one answered: o/ /| / > I recently purchased a 'ped. I am looking to learn as much as possible about it. Any information you can give me about the history, value, operations of my bike would help tremendously. I have a General "5 Star." This is what the bike reads on the side. It was purchased new at a local moped shop, in 1980, of course. Upon inspection of the V.I.N. plate, the 'ped was made by "Jui Li Enterprises," Taiwan in Dec. 1979. The bike has a Minarelli motor, read "Motori Minarelli." The bike is a "high-tank" model, chromed out. The bike is very appealing and looks like a little motorcycle. The only problem with the bike is the speedometer, the odometer works though. It runs perfectly and from what I was told, was professionally tuned 6 months ago. All the bells and whistles. Batteries, 12-volt system, horn, turn-signals, brake/tail lights. Questions: What gas mixture should I use? How can I increase the speed or power; with either a restrictor exhaust or a free-flow? How can I tune it? What octane fuel shoud I use? How can I maintain it to last? What are the specs? What reputation does this bike have? etc. etc. etc. I know this is pushy and a lot to ask, but I am new and very interested. I like to tinker and am literate with inter. comb. engines. What can I do to it. Going down hills, at a point of apparent maximum speed, a clicking sound arises. I am assuming this is the installed "governor" to regulate the speed? It sounds like a flap closing to choke the engine and drown the necessary air. Can I remove this? Any help would be greatly appreciated and I thank you for reading this huge post. Kurt Stump kjs216@psu.edu o/ /| / > Thanks Again ahead of time for Replying. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN) Date: 8/12/97, 12:42:04 AM Subject: Puch Cobra Is a 1982 restored puch cobra worth $450?? Thanks, Dan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/12/97, 10:11:30 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Porting-job for speed. In a message dated 97-08-12 06:27:23 EDT, you write: >Besides, your Tomos (being a A35) has a Reed-valve inlet. So there isn't >much to port there. A reed valve?! I thought it was piston ported. S#*t. I guess the owner's manual illustration of the cylinder is incorrect. I'll just polish the ports, if that is possible without damaging the engine in the long term. Polishing the cylinder and exaust (if the inlet is indeed a reed valve) won't increase top RPM's much at all, will it? All I really need is more torque. Any non-damaging ways to get it are welcome. Thanks for stopping me from porting it, I want to keep it for a long time (Like til I'm so old I forget how to ride it). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/12/97, 10:21:31 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Porting-job for speed. In a message dated 97-08-12 06:27:23 EDT, you write: >You could better purchase yourself a Puch Maxi, Vespa,MBK or Peugeot moped >if you want to tune it.. Sorry for two letters, but I missed this the first time through. When I can afford it I will. I am 15 now, so another 'ped is not plausable. I love my Tomos though, and I don't intend to get rid of it. I would most likely go after a Puch Maxi because there were more in the US (ie the JCPenny Pinto and the Sears Free Spirit III along with the Maxi itself). Peugeot is out of consideration, they seem a little too complex. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: catrinus.wallet@bangate1.TEK.COM () Date: 8/12/97, 2:56:29 PM Subject: re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? You need to maintain your sense of humor, too... Whenever I pass a Harley guy (the REAL kind, not the lawyer-cum-biker kind), I make sure to make eye contact and wave or give him a 'thumbs up'. I have never yet had one of them be snide about it... usually they do a double- take (or fall over laughing, but it's WITH me, not AT me). Interestingly enough, I find that most people think they're pretty cool (unless they happen to be driving behind you on a narrow road, in which case they seem to lose all sense of humor or reason)! ------------- Original Text From: Moped mailing list --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman) Date: 8/12/97, 5:29:00 PM Subject: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? Tom the Barman wrote: > why do people >view riding a moped as something WIMPY ? They are fun to ride and not >dangerous like riding a motorcycle. You know people would want to ride it if >they saw it, but yet they make fun of it. > May I suggest you ride it to an ABATE meeting in January. I ride with several Harley guys, they'll give you a hard time about it until you earn their respect. After that they just think you're weird. Leon. --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/12/97, 3:47:44 PM Subject: Fw: bike bug ------ reply to DThomas754@aol.com ------- i bought a bike assist motor off this guy for $25 called a bumble bike. fits over the front tire and it's kind of old. the problem is the small rubber diaphram fuel pump is all crusted over and hard because the guy never drained the gas out of it. i have no idea where to get new parts as the phone number and address printed on the instructions did not pan out. Do you know any idea where i could get parts? your web site is great and you seem to be the bicycle assist motor guru out there. any help would be appreciated. thanks, Dan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerky181@aol.com () Date: 8/12/97, 3:51:12 PM Subject: Yamaha moped I just got a used Yamaha moped. One of my neighbors just gave it to me and it doesen't run. It doesen't have a manual and I was wondering how I could find out what model it is so that I could get some parts for it. If anyone knows how to find out the model or get a parts list please let me know. Thanks a bunch! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/12/97, 4:12:24 PM Subject: Fw: Honda Elite ------- reply to MrWhite54@aol.com ------- I was looking for some information on mopeds i just bought a 1985 honda elita deluxe that was in storage for 10 years and was wondering if you could send me some information about this particular moped i would greatly appreciate your help and information thank you, MrWhite@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ANDOVER@aol.com () Date: 8/12/97, 4:29:28 PM Subject: Tomos Tuning Question: Is adding Biturbo Exhaust Pipe Harmful to Tomos Moped Moped Greetings, Question for Hans Hartman and other Tomos Experts We have in our shop a 1996 Tomos Targa LX (Top Tank) with 100 miles on the clock. As a athorized Puch and Jawa Dealer we have installed many after market performance exhaust systems on Puch's and Jawa's such as the "BiTurbo" and the "Characol" free flow exhaust pipes with no ill effects. After reviewing Hans Hartmans last E-Mail Posting to the list regarding his advice that it is not adviseable to Modify Tomos Mopeds we are concerned about adding a Biturbo Muffler to the this Tomos Moped. THE QUESTION: IS IT HARMFUL TO INSTALL A BITUBO EXHAUST PIPE TO A NEWER TOMOS MOPED???? Will merely making the engine breath more freely by adding one of these pipes effect oil seals, burn out the clutch, etc? We woud be grateful for some feedback from Experienced Tomos Folks. Lance Chayet Andover Cycles, Limited Authorized Puch and Jawa Moped Dealer 303-689-9000 303-689-9009 Fax E-Mail: ANDOVER@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman) Date: 8/12/97, 5:24:03 PM Subject: Porting-job for speed. Moped mailing list wrote: >>Besides, your Tomos (being a A35) has a Reed-valve inlet. So there isn't >>much to port there. > >A reed valve?! I thought it was piston ported. It's a reed valve inlet, opening the exhaust port will let it breath as it was intended to and will increase the RPMs at which it operates. Mine runs fine at about 8000 RPM, not the 10 to 11 thousand mentioned in the earlier post, but it does put out better than 4 hp. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman) Date: 8/12/97, 5:29:00 PM Subject: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? Tom the Barman wrote: > why do people >view riding a moped as something WIMPY ? They are fun to ride and not >dangerous like riding a motorcycle. You know people would want to ride it if >they saw it, but yet they make fun of it. > May I suggest you ride it to an ABATE meeting in January. I ride with several Harley guys, they'll give you a hard time about it until you earn their respect. After that they just think you're weird. Leon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo) Date: 8/12/97, 6:16:23 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: PUCH MAXI At 03:44 PM 8/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: paltron@interlog.com (Paul Angyal) > Date: 8/11/97, 8:13:47 PM >Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: PUCH MAXI > >Moped mailing list wrote: >> >> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- >> From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) >> Date: 8/11/97, 10:00:50 PM >> Subject: Re: Fw: PUCH MAXI >> >> Hi Kirk, >> At 08:46 11-08-97 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >Hi, my name is kirk and I have a PUCH MAXI That was purchased in the USA >> >and in need of some information on the engine. If you know of, or have any >> >information that would aid me in tuning the motor i.e.> >> >> Here we go: >> >> sparkplug, NGK B5HS or Bosch W5AC. >incorrect; US versions use B6HS or Champion L86C >> gas mixture, 1:50 >> Oil in motor: ATF (automatic transmision fluid, the same u use your V8's) >Absolutely not!!!Never use tranny fluid in a moped. If the Puch is the >kind that has oil in the gearbox, it is gear-oil, but not the automatic >(pink) stuff!!! >> Points gap 00.15 Inch (0.40 mm) >No, 0.6mm > > Dear Fellow Mopeders, Now I'm confused............. My Puch manual states that I should use ATF in the gear box and I assume that is correct. Is there something I am missing? As to the issue of spark plugs........ I believe the Champion L86C (or equivalent) is used in the 1.5 HP engine. The 2 HP engine uses the Champion L82C with a gap of .016 - .020 in. Sincerely, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: francis@bright.net (Nathan Francis) Date: 8/12/97, 6:22:05 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Honda Elite At 04:44 PM 8/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) > Date: 8/12/97, 4:12:24 PM >Subject: Fw: Honda Elite > >------- reply to MrWhite54@aol.com ------- > I was looking for some information on mopeds i just bought a 1985 honda >elita > deluxe that was in storage for 10 years and was wondering if you could >send > me some information about this particular moped i would greatly appreciate > your help and information thank you, > > MrWhite@aol.com > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ > > Does the Honda run? I have a 79 Honda PA 50 and I might be able to help u alot because I have worked on mine alot. Runs like a top. Write back so I can help u? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/12/97, 6:33:28 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: Barman3565@aol.com () > Date: 8/12/97, 12:19:27 AM > Subject: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? > > Hi moped Maniacs!!!! My name is Tom and I got to ask this question. Back in > 1978 I was 15 years old and my Lazer Moped was the best thing in my life. It > was freedom, fun, and everyone loved riding it. Why is it today that when I > talk about buying a moped people laugh at me. They make jokes like (a harley > dude will see me on it and kick me and my moped onto the ground)! What is > wrong with these people? > > I am 33 years old and I will never give into peer pressure but why do people > view riding a moped as something WIMPY ? They are fun to ride and not > dangerous like riding a motorcycle. You know people would want to ride it if > they saw it, but yet they make fun of it. > > Any comments out there? > > Tom. > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Prior to my moped, my last bike was a Norton Commando;prior to that it was a Kaw triple. I rode with a guy who was a die hard Harley biker type, but he had enough comfort with himself to be seen with a Kaw. I don't think it's an image thing. It's a question of being comfortable with yourself and not worrying about what others think. Some bikers pass me and give me a wave, like I used to get on my bike. Others don't. It's not unlike the 60's when people who bought economy cars weren't "cool"; you had to have a muscle car to be "in." Now the muscle cars are gone, and the smaller cars are the norm. When gas prices rise to $2/gal., cars and insurance continue to rocket in price, and parking in cities triples in price, you'll see the rebirth of mopeds, scooters and small displacement bikes. Until then, be the cutting edge. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dgwood@pacifier.com (David G Wood) Date: 8/12/97, 8:04:29 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: Barman3565@aol.com () > Date: 8/12/97, 12:19:27 AM > Subject: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? -snip- > I am 33 years old and I will never give into peer pressure but why do people > view riding a moped as something WIMPY ? They are fun to ride and not > dangerous like riding a motorcycle. You know people would want to ride it if > they saw it, but yet they make fun of it. > > Any comments out there? > > Tom. > My comments: 1. You ever hear the old joke? Riding a Moped is like making love to a fat girl. Sure it's fun but you wouldn't want your friends to see you doing it. 2. Some one who is truly secure within themselves will ride one, have fun and not worry about other's opinion. -Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/12/97, 9:17:40 PM Subject: Re: Company policy, was:puch manual At 10:14 11-08-97 -0500, you wrote: >>By the way, does anyone know why moped companies >>used to go to such lengths to make sure the owners >>knew how to maintain them? > >Because the original idea was for them to be low cost methods of transport. > The less the owner knows about how to maintain a moped the more oftem he/she >has to pay a mechanic, which can seriously affect the cost of ownership over >time. Also most 'peds were "simple" enough that most mechanically inclined >people would have no problem with routine maintenance. Sounds good to me, isn't that idealistic though.. There always is people who do their routine maintenance theirselves. They do that with or *without* specific knowledge, perhaps for financial reasons, or because they're just plain headstrong (they'll make a mess of it anyhow in the workshop, so I might just as well screw-up myself) To save their name, the factories (and not only mopeds, lorries, airplanes,motorcycles and cars) made these handbooks. It would be bad advertisement all these screwed-up mopeds, people could think the moped is no good :-) Did you really think the factories give a shit about how much you must spend? At least, this is my theory. Fact is, it's a tradition for more then 80 years to give decent manuals with new vehicles... Cheers, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paltron@interlog.com () Date: 8/12/97, 9:23:16 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Re: Fw: PUCH MAXI Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: kjs216@psu.edu (Stump) > Date: 8/12/97, 12:33:10 AM > Subject: Re: Re: Fw: PUCH MAXI > > Should all mopeds use ATF for their casing oil? Mine, 1980 General (Minarelli), doesn't specify other than "Motor Oil 20." > Kurt Stump kjs216@psu.edu > o/ > /| > / > > > -- > Oil in motor: ATF (automatic transmision fluid, the same u use your V8's) > Cheers, > Hans Hartman > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ never, never, never -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mikemcd4@juno.com () Date: 8/12/97, 9:26:58 PM Subject: Mailing List Subsribe to mailing list. Thanx Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paltron@interlog.com () Date: 8/12/97, 9:27:15 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: Barman3565@aol.com () > Date: 8/12/97, 12:19:27 AM > Subject: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? > > Hi moped Maniacs!!!! My name is Tom and I got to ask this question. Back in > 1978 I was 15 years old and my Lazer Moped was the best thing in my life. It > was freedom, fun, and everyone loved riding it. Why is it today that when I > talk about buying a moped people laugh at me. They make jokes like (a harley > dude will see me on it and kick me and my moped onto the ground)! What is > wrong with these people? > > I am 33 years old and I will never give into peer pressure but why do people > view riding a moped as something WIMPY ? They are fun to ride and not > dangerous like riding a motorcycle. You know people would want to ride it if > they saw it, but yet they make fun of it. > > Any comments out there? > > Tom. > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Yeah. Just ignore the assholes (pardon my language, but this is what they are). Interestingly enough, up here in Canada (Toronto, where I reside and ride) Harley-types actually wave at me and laugh at the poor scooterers instead.9 (the new, dinbky plastic ones). Probbaly for a lot of,people a moped is something they've not seen for 15 years or so. Just keep your head high. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/12/97, 9:29:21 PM Subject: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? > i think people > like to make fun of mopeds because they're not "real" motorcycles and are for > people who can't afford better means of transportation. Which of course isn't so. I have a car but there is no way I'd choose a car when the weather is good and I have no passengers. It's Moped all the way! I rode my moped to the lake once and there was a bunch of motorcyclists. God, did they laugh at me. It felt like I was being whipped. Some of those guys perhaps never ridden a moped - so they don't know how much fun it us. And maybe some have, but they are trying to hide the fact that they like it too - by laughing louder than others. It hurts to be ridiculed, but I know that I am doing the right thing - I ride moped because I love it. No other reason would do. Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu (Luther Rochester) Date: 8/12/97, 9:30:48 PM Subject: damn kids... hi all well i went to san francisco for 10 days a couple weeks ago and when i got home i was told by my roommates that all of our mopeds had been stolen while i was gone. this includes my 79 puch maxi and my [non-working] vespa grande, as well as my roommate's honda hobbit and a friend's yamaha riva. it seems some teenagers stole them and dumped them in alleys, except for the yamaha, which hasn't been found yet. they forced the ignition on the hobbit with a screw driver, and when i picked up my maxi from the impound today the baskets were ripped off, the blinkers were broken, and one of the plastic side covers was gone. well i took the blinkers off altogether and put in a new jet i had waiting [thanks lance] and well she rides again. i'm glad they didn't mess with my p200. now it's time to start the big project. now that things are [more or less] back to normal my friend chris and i are going to jump the maxi through a ring of fire. we're hoping to build the ring this week and maybe take the plunge next week sometime. we're going to have it videotaped and hopefully i can find someone who'll post some pictures of the stunt on his/her webpage. i'll keep you updated and if necessary i'll try to get a laptop in my room in the burn unit. take care luther . . ... . . . '79 puch maxi II '81 piaggio grande '80 vespa p200e '55 vespa handlebar bike [in the works] a couple of junk yamahoppers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paltron@interlog.com () Date: 8/12/97, 9:44:11 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: paltron@interlog.com () > Date: 8/12/97, 9:27:15 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? > > Moped mailing list wrote: > > > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > > From: Barman3565@aol.com () > > Date: 8/12/97, 12:19:27 AM > > Subject: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? > > > > Hi moped Maniacs!!!! My name is Tom and I got to ask this question. Back in > > 1978 I was 15 years old and my Lazer Moped was the best thing in my life. It > > was freedom, fun, and everyone loved riding it. Why is it today that when I > > talk about buying a moped people laugh at me. They make jokes like (a harley > > dude will see me on it and kick me and my moped onto the ground)! What is > > wrong with these people? > > > > I am 33 years old and I will never give into peer pressure but why do people > > view riding a moped as something WIMPY ? They are fun to ride and not > > dangerous like riding a motorcycle. You know people would want to ride it if > > they saw it, but yet they make fun of it. > > > > Any comments out there? > > > > Tom. > > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ > Yeah. Just ignore the assholes (pardon my language, but this is what > they are). > Interestingly enough, up here in Canada (Toronto, where I reside and > ride) Harley-types actually wave at me and laugh at the poor scooterers > instead.9 (the new, dinbky plastic ones). Probbaly for a lot of,people a > moped is something they've not seen for 15 years or so. > Just keep your head high. > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ ps. What is a harley anyway?A new cereal? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HarHill@aol.com () Date: 8/12/97, 9:44:55 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? Riding a moped WIMPY ? Ridiculus. My Sears FreeSpirit ( Puch ) moped sits in my garage next to my red Porsche 928. Guess what ? I ride my moped more than the Porsche. It is the ultimate summer vehicle ( the moped that is ). Harold -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: duckdogs@bright.net (Kauffman's) Date: 8/12/97, 10:01:05 PM Subject: re Puch Maxi As to gearbox lubricant, Paul Angyal wrote: >Absolutely not!!!Never use tranny fluid in a moped. If the Puch is the >kind that has oil in the gearbox, it is gear-oil, but not the automatic >(pink) stuff!!! The owners manual to mine does indeed call for "5.74oz (170 cc) Automatic-Transmission-Fluid" in the gearbox. Thats exactly whats in it now. Seems to work just fine Greg Kauffman 1974 2002 Tii 1968 Z28 1988 Suburban, the "Rig" 1970 Norton Commando S 1979 Puch Maxi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com () Date: 8/12/97, 10:22:43 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? i have gotten some honks from passing cars sometimes when i rode my qt50 around. i took my aero 50 motor scooter to myrtle beach, sc and even got taunted by the bullet bike jocks down there, so it's not just mopeds. shoot, they couldnt even cruise faster than me with the traffic! i think people like to make fun of mopeds because they're not "real" motorcycles and are for people who can't afford better means of transportation. david In a message dated 97-08-12 20:38:34 EDT, you write: << | I am 33 years old and I will never give into peer pressure but why do people | view riding a moped as something WIMPY ? They are fun to ride and not | dangerous like riding a motorcycle. You know people would want to ride it if | they saw it, but yet they make fun of it. | | Any comments out there? | | Tom. >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barman3565@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 12:31:36 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? I am not saying riding a moped is wimpy. I want to buy one. My question is why do so many people out there make fun of owning a moped? They say it is wimpy!! Not me. The question I always get is why buy a moped when you can buy a motorcycle. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kjs216@psu.edu (Stump) Date: 8/13/97, 12:38:41 AM Subject: Re: bike bug ---- i bought a bike assist motor off this guy for $25 called a bumble bike. fits over the front tire and it's kind of old. the problem is the small rubber diaphram fuel pump is all crusted over and hard because the guy never drained the gas out of it. i have no idea where to get new parts as the phone number and address printed on the instructions did not pan out. Do you know any idea where i could get parts? your web site is great and you seem to be the bicycle assist motor guru out there. any help would be appreciated. thanks, Dan As of 1979, the address of the company was: Aquabug International, Inc. 100 Merrick Road Rockville Center, NY 11570 *****You can use the internet to find a phone number from the address, or write `em. Kurt Stump kjs216@psu.edu o/ /| / > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ANDOVER@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 12:44:54 AM Subject: PUCH Owners: WARNING! In gearbox Use only Type F Automatic Transmission Flu Moped Greetings, WARNING>>>>>>>WARNING>>>>>>>>WARNING>>>>>>>>>WARNING!!!!!!!!!!! The PUCH Moped Drivetrain is designed for specific lubricants only! Please be advised that the gearbox (also known as the clutch in some english speaking countries) reqiures: TYPE F AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID (WHICH IS RED IN COLOR!) THE REQIURED AMOUNT IS 5.75 OUNCES OR 170 CC The basis of this in formation is as follows: 1. PUCH Maxi Owners Manual (1977) - Steyr-Daimler-Puch of Graz, Austria Page 9. 2. Haynes Puch Owners Workshop Manual 1969 to 1983 48.8cc. Published in London, England 1988 Page 7 & 9. 3. Clymer Puch Moped Owner Service/ Repair Manual 1976-1977 Published in Los Angeles, California 1978 Page 25. 4. Murry Puch Moped Service Manual on Page 5. The Clymer Puch Manual States the following: "CAUTION: Use only Automatic Transmission Fluid, Type F, the use of any other lubricants will cause the clutch to slip and may dissolve the clutch linings." Please Note: DO NOT use this information for any other type of Moped. Every moped manufacturer has different lubricating requirements and specifications. Andover Cycles, Limited is a Authorized Puch Moped Dealer and a ready source of Puch parts and advice. We have available to all Puch Owners, The Murry Puch Service Manual for $15. Please call on us for all of your Moped Needs. Lance Chayet Andover Cycles, Limited 303-689-9000 303-689-9009 Fax E-Mail: ANDOVER@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/13/97, 12:59:32 AM Subject: Transmission oil: was: Puch Maxi Sorry people, (Paul) >> Oil in motor: ATF (automatic transmision fluid, the same u use your V8's) >Absolutely not!!!Never use tranny fluid in a moped. If the Puch is the >kind that has oil in the gearbox, it is gear-oil, but not the automatic >(pink) stuff!!! But here on the continent Puch's *ALWAYS* are filled up with ATF (red stuff). And we've done that from 1969 up untill now (in Tomos too!!) We never had any complaints (it is factory recommended over here) The only complaints we had, is from people who topped it up with gear oil (EP90, 15W50) That oil is too thick, and causes clutch slip. I have never seen a Puch without oil in the gearbox (except for broken ones) perhaps there are (major) differences between European and American models? Puch's with gears (by hand or foot) must be filled with regular oil allright.. The two speed automatic with ATF (I have written proof from the factory (owners manual) if you don't believe me. >> Points gap 00.15 Inch (0.40 mm) >No, 0.6mm 0.6mm is the gap for the spark plug... 0.40mm the gap for contact breakers at TDC! Cheers, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/13/97, 12:59:35 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? Hey Barman, At 15:44 12-08-97 -0500, you wrote: >talk about buying a moped people laugh at me. They make jokes like (a harley >dude will see me on it and kick me and my moped onto the ground)! What is >wrong with these people? Harley dudes always seem to have a attitude problem. This is probably caused by a difficult youth and/or a extreme short dick... Crux of the biscuit is, you could do anything on a moped, what he does on a Harley, and beat him too it!! >I am 33 years old and I will never give into peer pressure but why do people >view riding a moped as something WIMPY ? They are fun to ride and not Being a Wimpy is not achieved in using some sort of weird transport, but is a state of mind. I ride mopeds for 20 years now, and I'm pretty cool.... >dangerous like riding a motorcycle. You know people would want to ride it if >they saw it, but yet they make fun of it. Here in Europe riding a moped is much more dangerous then riding a Honda Fireblade at top speed... You understand riding a mean machine like that is utterly cool :-)) Cheers, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/13/97, 12:59:37 AM Subject: Transmission oil: was: Puch Maxi hello, Kurt, At 15:44 12-08-97 -0500, you wrote: >Should all mopeds use ATF for their casing oil? Mine, 1980 General (Minarelli), doesn't specify other than "Motor Oil 20." NO, your Minarelli engine needs the normal gear-oil (single grade 20) If this is not available, use 20W50 oil.. Cheers, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/13/97, 12:59:42 AM Subject: Re: Fw: bike bug At 16:01 12-08-97 -0500, you wrote: > i bought a bike assist motor off this guy for $25 called a bumble bike. >fits > over the front tire and it's kind of old. the problem is the small rubber > diaphram fuel pump is all crusted over and hard because the guy never >drained > the gas out of it. i have no idea where to get new parts as the phone >number > and address printed on the instructions did not pan out. Do you know any > idea where i could get parts? your web site is great and you seem to be >the > bicycle assist motor guru out there. any help would be appreciated. >thanks, Sounds like a Solex to me..... Parts are no problem over here, don't know any adresses in the States? Cheers, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/13/97, 1:45:31 AM Subject: Re: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? | Onderwerp: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? | Datum: dinsdag 12 augustus 1997 23:44 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman) | Date: 8/12/97, 5:29:00 PM | Subject: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? | | Tom the Barman wrote: | | > why do people | >view riding a moped as something WIMPY ? They are fun to ride and not | >dangerous like riding a motorcycle. You know people would want to ride it if | >they saw it, but yet they make fun of it. | > | May I suggest you ride it to an ABATE meeting in January. I ride with | several Harley guys, they'll give you a hard time about it until you earn | their respect. After that they just think you're weird. | | Leon. | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------- what is ABATE ? Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/13/97, 1:59:19 AM Subject: Re: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? | Onderwerp: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? | Datum: dinsdag 12 augustus 1997 22:44 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: Barman3565@aol.com () | Date: 8/12/97, 12:19:27 AM | Subject: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? | | Hi moped Maniacs!!!! My name is Tom and I got to ask this question. Back in | 1978 I was 15 years old and my Lazer Moped was the best thing in my life. It | was freedom, fun, and everyone loved riding it. Why is it today that when I | talk about buying a moped people laugh at me. They make jokes like (a harley | dude will see me on it and kick me and my moped onto the ground)! What is | wrong with these people? | | I am 33 years old and I will never give into peer pressure but why do people | view riding a moped as something WIMPY ? They are fun to ride and not | dangerous like riding a motorcycle. You know people would want to ride it if | they saw it, but yet they make fun of it. | | Any comments out there? | | Tom. | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Are you serious? as long as you and your moped are capable to make a wheely, it maybe considered to be a leathal weapon to any one in front of it , so if some one feels the urge to say your wimpy , pull the gas and let 'em have it, (even harley drivers know that) (btw i know a few harley drivers who use their mopeds, when they 'think' that they are gonna get REAL drunk...(gives them lesser time in the hospital, that kinda guys....)) deep in their hart they know it all to well...! a moped is simply the best. (or better a moped is (wo)mans best friend) after writing this, a picture came in my mind.......THERE ARE REAL WIMPS ON MOPEDS, BEWARE ! Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/13/97, 2:18:52 AM Subject: Re: Tomos Tuning Question: Is adding Biturbo Exhaust Pipe Harmful to Tomos M | Onderwerp: Fw: Tomos Tuning Question: Is adding Biturbo Exhaust Pipe Harmful to Tomos Moped | Datum: dinsdag 12 augustus 1997 22:44 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: ANDOVER@aol.com () | Date: 8/12/97, 4:29:28 PM | Subject: Tomos Tuning Question: Is adding Biturbo Exhaust Pipe Harmful to Tomos Moped | | Moped Greetings, | | Question for Hans Hartman and other Tomos Experts | | We have in our shop a 1996 Tomos Targa LX (Top Tank) with 100 miles on the | clock. | | As a athorized Puch and Jawa Dealer we have installed many after market | performance exhaust systems on Puch's and Jawa's such as the "BiTurbo" and | the "Characol" free flow exhaust pipes with no ill effects. | | After reviewing Hans Hartmans last E-Mail Posting to the list regarding his | advice that it is not adviseable to Modify Tomos Mopeds we are concerned | about adding a Biturbo Muffler to the this Tomos Moped. | | THE QUESTION: IS IT HARMFUL TO INSTALL A BITUBO EXHAUST | PIPE TO A NEWER TOMOS MOPED???? | | Will merely making the engine breath more freely by adding one of these pipes | effect oil seals, burn out the clutch, etc? | | We woud be grateful for some feedback from Experienced Tomos Folks. | | Lance Chayet | Andover Cycles, Limited | Authorized Puch and Jawa Moped Dealer | 303-689-9000 | 303-689-9009 Fax | E-Mail: ANDOVER@aol.com | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Hi Lance, as far as i know, is that when the ports aren't changed the pressure inside the motor doesn't change (positively) , only a better off flow from the gasses is reached there for a slightly better performance is given, (better flow in the cyl. and a lower pressure at transfer port opening, so better (richer/fresher) filling possible) The wear of from the clutch is more dependent to the weight, and size of the driver than from adding a allround expansion pipe. (the real bottleneck is the exhaust port itselve, as you know) (an 'old' tomos 4L has to my knowledge never given any problems what ever pipe is hangin' under..) Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman) Date: 8/13/97, 8:19:15 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? Peter Staal asks: >what is ABATE ? ABATE is a Motorcycle Rights Organization. They are organized at the state level in most of the states in the US. Here in Virginia, most ABATE members are the real bikers rather than the 'lawyers-cum-bikers' mentioned in an earlier post. The acronym doesn't translate the same in each of the states, I believe it started as "A Brotherhood Against Totalitarian Enactments" in Viriginia it currently is "American Bikers Advocating Training and Education" They are good people. Leon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: catrinus.wallet@bangate1.TEK.COM () Date: 8/13/97, 8:40:29 AM Subject: Yamaha Towny for sale I saw this on a local (to me!) web site and thought people would enjoy seeing it. It is a 1981 Yamaha Towny with only 1545 miles for $495 (no sales tax in Oregon, either!). If you can't see the picture, it looks brand new! By the way, I can't see from the picture... is this a moped or a small motorcycle? I can't see any peddles. http://www.nw-autopage.com/ad_pages/ii/1060102.htm ==================================================== Catrinus Wallet Beaverton, Oregon, USA Please reply to Catrinus.Wallet@juno.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FangLang@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 9:52:38 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? no -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 10:08:22 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? In a message dated 97-08-12 17:31:07 EDT, you write: > They are fun to ride and not >dangerous like riding a motorcycle. You know people would want to ride it if >they saw it, but yet they make fun of it. > No, they are LESS dangerous, but not "not dangerous", the danger is people don't see you, although the danger from speed is minimal. I believe people would want to ride it if gasoline were $3-4 a gallon like it is in Europe. As for Harley people making fun, I've never had the problem (though I am 15). A lot of times the biker smiles as he passes me, probably remembering having a 'ped when he was younger. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 10:15:04 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Transmission oil: was: Puch Maxi In a message dated 97-08-12 19:14:07 EDT, you write: >But here on the continent Puch's *ALWAYS* are filled up with ATF (red stuff). >And we've done that from 1969 up untill now (in Tomos too!!) Yes the transmission must be filled with ATF. I remember how hard it was to find type A suffix A fluid for my Tomos, apparantly type A fluid is the oldest type and very hard to find. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 10:25:31 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? In a message dated 97-08-12 21:48:42 EDT, you write: > It is the ultimate summer vehicle ( the moped that is ). Yes a 'ped is the ultimate summer vehicle. In fact, I've even grown to love its bee-like buzz at high RPM's (so much so that I would prefer our old 14' 50hp outboard to our new 18' 175hp I/O). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 10:34:13 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? In a message dated 97-08-13 02:13:10 EDT, you write: >Harley dudes always seem to have a attitude problem. Not so. I know a "Harley dude" who is two doors down, he is a great person. Offered to help me polish the ports of my moped's engine as soon as I got the manual from UPS (which my not be until Oct. if thigs keep upthe way they are.) His first bike was a 55cc Yamaha with a 5 speed (he said he could hit 75 with it.) He loved that small displacement bike, and seems to still like all bikes with small two-strokes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 10:52:24 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Tomos Tuning Question: Is adding Biturbo Exhaust Pipe Harmful to Tom In a message dated 97-08-12 17:32:59 EDT, you write: >THE QUESTION: IS IT HARMFUL TO INSTALL A BITUBO EXHAUST >PIPE TO A NEWER TOMOS MOPED???? > I was told that the Tomos was sold in America with a more restrictive exaust that the European models, and that the Euro models regularly went 35-40mph because of the less restrictive pipe. If this is true, then the Biturbo pipe mearly brings the 'ped up to Euro specs and this shouldn't be harmful. Legal Stuff: I AM NOT AN EXPERT, THIS IS ONLY AN EDUCATED GUESS BASED ON WHAT I WAS TOLD WHEN I BOUGHT MY '96 TOMOS TARGA LX. I WOULD ADVISE DOUBLE CHECKING THIS HYPOTHESIS WITH HANS HARTMAN AND/OR PETER STAAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com (FINANCE 223-0683) Date: 8/13/97, 11:09:52 AM Subject: try again: Solo Moped from Germany - any one know anything about these? Tha From: LANDO::BIBEAULT "FINANCE 223-0683" 9-JUL-1997 08:31:30.51 To: US8RMC::"daugava@nothnbut.net" CC: BIBEAULT Subj: Solo Klienmotoren GMBH, Solo "Odyssey" watercooled automatic moped Hi! I just came accross and purchased a 'Solo "Odyssey" 40/1 Watercooled Automatic' moped in great running condition. I was wondering if anyone would by chance know anything about these mopeds? I wonder if there's anywhere to get a copy of an owners manual for it? So far it runs like a top! It's a 1977 model # 712-1909 and was manufactured in West Germany. The quality seems very high. In fact, the cables can be lubed extremely easily and effectively via little covered "tabs" at the highest point on them near where they connect onto the handlebars. (I've never seen this before) Thanks for any info anyone has! Regards, Marc Bibeault marc.bibeault@pko.mts.dec.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerky181@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 11:21:06 AM Subject: Moped Identifacation The other day one of my neighbors gave me his old moped. It's a Yamaha and doesn't run. He didn't give me an owners manual or anything. How do I find out what model it is and if I do, where can I get a manual and parts list? The only thing I know about it is that it is an 81. If anyone can help me with this I will be very grateful. PS. I've heard of some kind of exhast pipe called a Bi-Turbo. Does anyone know anything about it or what it does? Thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HarHill@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 11:36:32 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? re Harley people: I needed some oil for my moped and went into the local Harley dealer. The biker behind the parts counter was all leather,tatoos, and bandana: the whole nine yards. When I told him I was looking for something for a moped, he looked at me as if I had just stepped off another planet. We got to talking. He was a real nice, helpful guy. I turned looking at the rows of $20k + machines and told him my wife would kill me if I had one of these but she doesn't mind the moped. When we were done he turned to me and said " You know, those mopeds were really alot of fun. Too bad they aren't around much anymore " He really felt they were pretty neat. As I cruise by at 25mph taking in all the sights, I can't help but wonder how much is being missed on a big bike at 55 mph. Harold -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com () Date: 8/13/97, 11:42:30 AM Subject: DERBI MOPED ANYONE? COMMENTS WELCOME!!! Hi! I am in the process of purchasing a Derbi Variant Sport moped. It is a 1988 with about 950 miles on it and has been stored indoors. The original brochure, owners manual and tool kit are included and I hope to pick it up later in the week. It has a cast wheels, larger than normal (in my opinion) tires (factory original) an two passenger sized seat and a small package rack. It seems to be very well made in good condition. It runs real strong too! Has anyone ever owned or ridden one of these? Any opinions about them? All comments are welcome. Thanks!!! Marc marc.bibeault@pko.mts.dec.com % ====== Internet headers and postmarks ====== % Received: from mail13.digital.com by us8rmc.bb.dec.com (5.65/rmc-17Jan97) id AA00994; Wed, 13 Aug 97 11:32:41 -0400 % Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail13.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.5/1.0/WV) with internal id LAA12834; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:28:33 -0400 (EDT) % Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:28:33 -0400 (EDT) % From: Mail Delivery Subsystem % Message-Id: <199708131528.LAA12834@mail13.digital.com> % To: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fltlevl420@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 2:45:49 PM Subject: 1977 Puch Maxi Does anyone know where I could get an owners manual or any information on how to maintain my 1977 Puch Maxi? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fltlevl420@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 3:02:23 PM Subject: 1977 Puch Maxi There is a lock on the front suspention and I think its a steering wheel lock (I don't know much about mopeds) where can I get a key to it? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 3:39:24 PM Subject: Re: Fw: re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? In a message dated 97-08-13 15:19:53 EDT, you write: >Interestingly enough, I find that most people think they're pretty cool >(unless they happen to be driving behind you on a narrow road, in >which case they seem to lose all sense of humor or reason)! Yep. Then there are the people who think it is a motorcycle and won't pass you. There's no one comming in the other direction but they won't go around. The speed limit's like 45, i'm doing 25 and they sit behind me. I've had to pull over and stop completely to get them to go around. (They aren't quite as annoying as the people who pull up next to me and stay there to see how fast I can go.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/13/97, 3:47:12 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: AaronM428@aol.com () > Date: 8/13/97, 3:39:24 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? > > In a message dated 97-08-13 15:19:53 EDT, you write: > > >Interestingly enough, I find that most people think they're pretty cool > >(unless they happen to be driving behind you on a narrow road, in > >which case they seem to lose all sense of humor or reason)! > > Yep. Then there are the people who think it is a motorcycle and won't pass > you. There's no one comming in the other direction but they won't go around. > The speed limit's like 45, i'm doing 25 and they sit behind me. I've had to > pull over and stop completely to get them to go around. (They aren't quite > as annoying as the people who pull up next to me and stay there to see how > fast I can go.) > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Those idiots hassle bikers too. I remember a few instances where crazies rode my tail down the Boulder Turnpike to see if I could pull away from them. They seemed to want to reinact the closing scene in Easy Rider. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/13/97, 3:49:58 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: HarHill@aol.com () > Date: 8/13/97, 11:36:32 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? > > re Harley people: > > I needed some oil for my moped and went into the local Harley dealer. The > biker behind the parts counter was all leather,tatoos, and bandana: the whole > nine yards. When I told him I was looking for something for a moped, he > looked at me as if I had just stepped off another planet. We got to talking. > He was a real nice, helpful guy. I turned looking at the rows of $20k + > machines and told him my wife would kill me if I had one of these but she > doesn't mind the moped. When we were done he turned to me and said " You > know, those mopeds were really alot of fun. Too bad they aren't around much > anymore " He really felt they were pretty neat. As I cruise by at 25mph > taking in all the sights, I can't help but wonder how much is being missed on > a big bike at 55 mph. > > Harold > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Someone has got to dig up that article in Rider from the 70's which extolled the virtues of touring on a vespa scooter at a slow pace. Do you think we are getting a large enough group here to get a rally going by next summer? If the scooters do it, why not the peds? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dgwood@pacifier.com (David G Wood) Date: 8/13/97, 4:01:35 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Gas costs, non-metrics, names.. > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) > Date: 8/13/97, 11:26:36 PM > Subject: Gas costs, non-metrics, names.. -snip- > > Hello everyone, > > @ What does the (mix) gas cost everywhere , State of Washington, USA 87 octane regular -$1.25/gallon ($.33/liter)or .16 Hfl/liter if I did the conversion right. 92 octane +/- $1.45/ gallon ($.38/liter). Prices can differ by 10% or more depending on brand. There are regional price differences as well. Premix is not sold in the US- you must buy the 2 stroke oil and mix it yourself. > In Holland (The Netherlands) it is +/- Hfl 2,50 a litre makes $ 1,25 a > litre > In belgium 42 BFr/L makes $ 1.05 > ( 1 Us dollar is Hfl 2.02 ) @ how much litres are in a gallon ? 3.78 liters/ US gallon > and how many kilometers go in an American Mile, or in an English mile > (please as exact as possible)? .625 miles/kilometer +/- 1.6 kilometers / US mile @ how are mopeds called in the connected > (native) languages? in The Netherlands they are called 'snorfiets' > while under 30cc and 'brommer' for things from 30-50cc > Moped = traditional pedal operated, metal framed, motorized scooter, 50cc or less. Noped = a moped like bike without pedals and small 50cc plastic or metal bodied scooters like Honda Spree's or my own Kasea 50. Noped is a legal definition in Washington- we have a "moped, noped" law. Not all states make a disitinction. Motorized bicycle = a Solex type motor on a regular bicycle. In Washington Mopeds, Nopeds and motorized bicycles are all required to be 50cc or less, 3 HP or less and must have a maximum speed of 30 MPH or less. THere are also Gopeds. Goped is a registered trade name but is also used to mean a child's kick_scooter with a small engine- generally not legal for road use. -Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 4:14:16 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? In a message dated 97-08-13 16:06:56 EDT, you write: >ABATE is a Motorcycle Rights Organization. They are organized at the state >level in most of the states in the US. Where can I get info for the Ohio chapter of ABATE? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tpea@macnet.com (Tabby Pe'a) Date: 8/13/97, 5:12:31 PM Subject: Moped Repair Question...... dear Moped Mailing List, I am 16 and I have an old 1977 Yamaha LB80-2AE. I am in the process of restoring it, but I do not know anything about mopeds. I need spark plug wires, but I do not know what to get or where to get them. Any help would be appreciated. Sincerely, Telly Pe'a -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paltron@interlog.com () Date: 8/13/97, 5:32:43 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: Barman3565@aol.com () > Date: 8/13/97, 12:31:36 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? > > I am not saying riding a moped is wimpy. I want to buy one. My question is > why do so many people out there make fun of owning a moped? They say it is > wimpy!! Not me. The question I always get is why buy a moped when you can > buy a motorcycle. > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Seems like everything else in our North-American culture based on excesses, mopeds are looked upon down because they're just the size one needs, not 50-times bigger. Look at the cars, they all could carry the space shuttle; why? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/13/97, 6:00:27 PM Subject: Moped Underworld on the Web Here is another example of "there are mopeds, you just have to find them". I used to think that I knew pretty much all moped pages on the Web. Yesterday I found one called Moped Express - huge page with numerous moped links that I've never visited before. It's as if I just entered a parallel dimension, totally unexplored! Check out Moped Express at http://206.127.244.133/mopedexp/ Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: djb@harvard.edu ([ davey ]) Date: 8/13/97, 6:05:55 PM Subject: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? At 04:30 PM 8/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >Seems like everything else in our North-American culture based on >excesses, mopeds are looked upon down because they're just the size one >needs, not 50-times bigger. Look at the cars, they all could carry the >space shuttle; why? Hey, next time you're out driving and pass an extremely attractive of the road with a stalled space shuttle, you'll know... [ d*b ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: djb@harvard.edu ([ davey ]) Date: 8/13/97, 6:16:51 PM Subject: Jawa 130 question This is a pretty easy one... I bought a 1986 Jawa 130 last night, and the guy who sold it to me seemed unclear on how to operate it's complex array of controls. Does anyone know which position is open on the fuel valve? The little wing rotates freely 360 degrees; is maybe a vertical position open? I only spent a few minutes with it, but while riding around, I turned it to a variety of positions and couldn't get the thing to stall. Thankfully, it doesn't dribble either. Thanks, David B. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrislo@cfw.com (chris loewl) Date: 8/13/97, 6:55:31 PM Subject: Solo Moped from Germany your 77 solo runs "well"!? now thats something else ;). wonder how that got so far from home - maybe exported? solos (in germany) were by and large catalog-ordered mopeds, the cheapest ones available back then. actually, i dont know much about them except they didnt climb the hills very well where i lived (hey, i had a 3 speed zuendapp: no contest); only one guy in our bunch had one that i rode a few times. his always did run, just not up steep hills, so i wouldnt say its a clunker - dont get me wrong. it just needed extra care.and some decent piston rings. (i cant recall if it had more than one ring. probably not) they often came partially assembled and those who hurried the montage or didnt know what they were doing wound up with several pieces of a solo in their hands while on the road, got laughed at and blamed it on solo. shortly before they vanished, solo came out with a decent mokick type (i.e. with kick starter) bike. it looked like a well-fed western cousin of the east german mz "motorcycle" so much for solo trivia. but beats me where one could get parts and such. none of the catalogs had any parts for sale. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrislo@cfw.com (chris loewl) Date: 8/13/97, 7:07:59 PM Subject: ps solo oh yes: those neat little "tabs" on the cables for oil disappeared from site too, didnt they? you could buy them and put them all over your moped. of course there were always morons that tore the lids off them when they saw an unguarded bike. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 7:43:07 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Jawa 130 question In a message dated 97-08-13 18:48:16 EDT, you write: >Does anyone know which position is open on the fuel valve? >The little wing rotates freely 360 degrees; is maybe a >vertical position open? > I don't know about Jawas, but I believe that all fuel valves that work properly have only 180 degrees of possible rotation. Up=reserve Horizontal=off Down=on (at least normally). There should be detents during the rotation for each of the "on/off/reserve" points. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paltron@interlog.com () Date: 8/13/97, 7:57:09 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Gas costs, non-metrics, names.. Moped mailing list wrote: Hello everyone, > > @ What does the (mix) gas cost everywhere , > In Holland (The Netherlands) it is +/- Hfl 2,50 a litre makes $ 1,25 a > litre > In belgium 42 BFr/L makes $ 1.05 > ( 1 Us dollar is Hfl 2.02 ) > @ how much litres are in a gallon ? > @ and how many kilometers go in an American Mile, or in an English mile > (please as exact as possible)? > @ how are mopeds called in the connected (native) languages? >> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ 1/In Canada, gas costs about 45c (US) or 60c Canadian 2/4 litres to US gallon, 4.5 to imperial gallon 3/1.5 km to US mile, 1.6 to imperial mile 4/mopeds Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/13/97, 8:28:19 PM Subject: Re: Moped Underworld on the Web > Do you think I could have a list of your moped sites? Thanks Sure, goto http://www.inlink.com/~daugava/bambuk.htm and click on "Moped". Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/13/97, 8:33:52 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Gas costs, non-metrics, names.. Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) > Date: 8/13/97, 11:26:36 PM > Subject: Gas costs, non-metrics, names.. > > | Onderwerp: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? > | Datum: woensdag 13 augustus 1997 22:01 > | > | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > | From: AaronM428@aol.com () > | Date: 8/13/97, 10:08:22 AM > | Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? > | > | In a message dated 97-08-12 17:31:07 EDT, you write: > | > | . I believe people > | would want to ride it if gasoline were $3-4 a gallon like it is in > Europe. > | As for Harley people making fun, I've never had the problem (though I am > | 15). A lot of times the biker smiles as he passes me, probably > remembering > | having a 'ped when he was younger. > | > | > | > | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ > Hello everyone, > > @ What does the (mix) gas cost everywhere , > In Holland (The Netherlands) it is +/- Hfl 2,50 a litre makes $ 1,25 a > litre > In belgium 42 BFr/L makes $ 1.05 > ( 1 Us dollar is Hfl 2.02 ) > @ how much litres are in a gallon ? > @ and how many kilometers go in an American Mile, or in an English mile > (please as exact as possible)? > @ how are mopeds called in the connected (native) languages? > in The Netherlands they are called 'snorfiets' while under 30cc and > 'brommer' for things from 30-50cc > > Bye, Peter Staal > > from: staal@concepts.nl > peter_tomos@geocities.com > Homepages: > http://home.concepts.nl/~staal > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ There are about 4 liters in a U.S. Gallon, as a quart is about liter. Gas fluctuates between $1.00 and $1.10/gallon, so about .25 dollars/liter. A km is about .6 miles. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PBandOther@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 8:33:53 PM Subject: Re: Fw: damn kids... I could put pictures of the stunt on my web page at http://members.AOL.com/PBandOther/PBpage.htm maybe even some vid clips PB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/13/97, 8:42:55 PM Subject: re: Vespa moped -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PBandOther@aol.com () Date: 8/13/97, 8:52:23 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Moped Underworld on the Web Do you think I could have a list of your moped sites? Thanks PB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: justinh@blazenet.net (Justin Hershey) Date: 8/13/97, 9:42:09 PM Subject: Re: Fw: damn kids... Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu (Luther Rochester) > Date: 8/12/97, 9:30:48 PM > Subject: damn kids... > > hi all > well i went to san francisco for 10 days a couple weeks ago and when i got > home i was told by my roommates that all of our mopeds had been stolen > while i was gone. this includes my 79 puch maxi and my [non-working] vespa > grande, as well as my roommate's honda hobbit and a friend's yamaha riva. > it seems some teenagers stole them and dumped them in alleys, except for > the yamaha, which hasn't been found yet. they forced the ignition on the > hobbit with a screw driver, and when i picked up my maxi from the impound > today the baskets were ripped off, the blinkers were broken, and one of > the plastic side covers was gone. well i took the blinkers off altogether > and put in a new jet i had waiting [thanks lance] and well she rides > again. i'm glad they didn't mess with my p200. > now it's time to start the big project. now that things are [more or > less] back to normal my friend chris and i are going to jump the maxi > through a ring of fire. we're hoping to build the ring this week and maybe > take the plunge next week sometime. we're going to have it videotaped and > hopefully i can find someone who'll post some pictures of the stunt on > his/her webpage. i'll keep you updated and if necessary i'll try to get a > laptop in my room in the burn unit. > take care > luther > . . > > ... > . > . . > > '79 puch maxi II > '81 piaggio grande > '80 vespa p200e > '55 vespa handlebar bike [in the works] > a couple of junk yamahoppers > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Hi, That would piss me off is some kids took my moped! I have an Agrati-Garelli. It was made in 72! It runs great. I am 14, but not theif. I don't think it's worth going to hell and being arrested is worth some free stuff. I'm glad you found your bikes! Do you only ride mopeds? I also ride motocross. My CR is about 35 times faster though! Keep scooting! Justin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: justinh@blazenet.net (Justin Hershey) Date: 8/13/97, 9:46:03 PM Subject: Unsubcribe moped. I would stay on but I just got fourty-two emails. justinh@blazenet.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rmh@snip.net (Mike Hillegas) Date: 8/13/97, 9:56:38 PM Subject: I have a Few Questions Hello! Hi My name is Mike. I have a 1995 Tomos Targa LX with a Biturbo Muffler. It has over 13,000 miles on it. My engine is about 30% down on compression and needs to be rebuilt. Since I'm rebuilding it I'm getting a 70cc kit with a different pistion, carb., and manifold spacer. The stock moped is 50cc. My question is does the lower cylinder come off? Does that need to be replaced since the engine is so worn, or will slightly bigger rings do the job. I need any info on this stuff that I can get. Thanks alot! Mike Hillegas E-Mail - rmh@snip.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/13/97, 11:00:11 PM Subject: Re: damn kids... | Onderwerp: Fw: damn kids... | Datum: woensdag 13 augustus 1997 22:01 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu (Luther Rochester) | Date: 8/12/97, 9:30:48 PM | Subject: damn kids... | | hi all | well i went to san francisco for 10 days a couple weeks ago and when i got | home i was told by my roommates that all of our mopeds had been stolen | while i was gone. this includes my 79 puch maxi and my [non-working] vespa | grande, as well as my roommate's honda hobbit and a friend's yamaha riva. | it seems some teenagers stole them and dumped them in alleys, except for | the yamaha, which hasn't been found yet. they forced the ignition on the | hobbit with a screw driver, and when i picked up my maxi from the impound | today the baskets were ripped off, the blinkers were broken, and one of | the plastic side covers was gone. well i took the blinkers off altogether | and put in a new jet i had waiting [thanks lance] and well she rides | again. i'm glad they didn't mess with my p200. | now it's time to start the big project. now that things are [more or | less] back to normal my friend chris and i are going to jump the maxi | through a ring of fire. we're hoping to build the ring this week and maybe | take the plunge next week sometime. we're going to have it videotaped and | hopefully i can find someone who'll post some pictures of the stunt on | his/her webpage. i'll keep you updated and if necessary i'll try to get a | laptop in my room in the burn unit. | take care | luther | . . | | ... | . | . . | | '79 puch maxi II | '81 piaggio grande | '80 vespa p200e | '55 vespa handlebar bike [in the works] | a couple of junk yamahoppers | | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Yeah, nice tric !!!! (if you convert'em i'll put them in my photo page , no problemo compadre) if it is video taped i am also interested in a sound file....raw / wav any thing goes. than i can make special page about it ?? if you can convert a sequence you can also make a 'avi, or mpeg film from it ;) tip. : don't do it with a full tank.... Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/13/97, 11:03:31 PM Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? | Onderwerp: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? | Datum: woensdag 13 augustus 1997 5:08 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: dgwood@pacifier.com (David G Wood) | Date: 8/12/97, 8:04:29 PM | Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? | | | | | > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | > From: Barman3565@aol.com () | > Date: 8/12/97, 12:19:27 AM | > Subject: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? | -snip- | > I am 33 years old and I will never give into peer pressure but why do people | > view riding a moped as something WIMPY ? They are fun to ride and not | > dangerous like riding a motorcycle. You know people would want to ride it if | > they saw it, but yet they make fun of it. | > | > Any comments out there? | > | > Tom. | > | | My comments: | | 1. You ever hear the old joke? Riding a Moped is like making love to a fat | girl. Sure it's fun but you wouldn't want your friends to see you doing | it. | | 2. Some one who is truly secure within themselves will ride one, have fun | and not worry about other's opinion. | | -Dave | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ 1, i like both, (and i have no shame at all), i only expect them to laugh when i am doing it both at the same time... 2 who's opinion? Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/13/97, 11:07:23 PM Subject: Re: I want to be on the mailing list | Onderwerp: Fw: I want to be on the mailing list | Datum: woensdag 13 augustus 1997 22:01 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: kprewitt@inetport.com (Kirk Prewitt) | Date: 7/16/97, 1:10:06 AM | Subject: I want to be on the mailing list | | I have a PUCH but do not know what model it is. The panels are all missing | and there is no number or any thing to clue me in as to what I have. The | "Ped" has peddles, the gas tank goes strait back to the seat, it is 50cc, | automatic and can be started when on the center stand. Any idea what this | is? Is it a "MAXI" ? | | -kp- USA | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Hi Kirk, welcome, you found it, ok this the place to be. Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/13/97, 11:26:36 PM Subject: Gas costs, non-metrics, names.. | Onderwerp: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? | Datum: woensdag 13 augustus 1997 22:01 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: AaronM428@aol.com () | Date: 8/13/97, 10:08:22 AM | Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? | | In a message dated 97-08-12 17:31:07 EDT, you write: | | . I believe people | would want to ride it if gasoline were $3-4 a gallon like it is in Europe. | As for Harley people making fun, I've never had the problem (though I am | 15). A lot of times the biker smiles as he passes me, probably remembering | having a 'ped when he was younger. | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Hello everyone, @ What does the (mix) gas cost everywhere , In Holland (The Netherlands) it is +/- Hfl 2,50 a litre makes $ 1,25 a litre In belgium 42 BFr/L makes $ 1.05 ( 1 Us dollar is Hfl 2.02 ) @ how much litres are in a gallon ? @ and how many kilometers go in an American Mile, or in an English mile (please as exact as possible)? @ how are mopeds called in the connected (native) languages? in The Netherlands they are called 'snorfiets' while under 30cc and 'brommer' for things from 30-50cc Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/13/97, 11:29:16 PM Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Tomos Tuning Question: Is adding Biturbo Exhaust Pipe Harmful to | Onderwerp: Fw: Re: Fw: Tomos Tuning Question: Is adding Biturbo Exhaust Pipe Harmful to Tom | Datum: woensdag 13 augustus 1997 22:01 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: AaronM428@aol.com () | Date: 8/13/97, 10:52:24 AM | Subject: Re: Fw: Tomos Tuning Question: Is adding Biturbo Exhaust Pipe Harmful to Tom | | In a message dated 97-08-12 17:32:59 EDT, you write: | | >THE QUESTION: IS IT HARMFUL TO INSTALL A BITUBO EXHAUST | >PIPE TO A NEWER TOMOS MOPED???? | > | I was told that the Tomos was sold in America with a more restrictive exaust | that the European models, and that the Euro models regularly went 35-40mph | because of the less restrictive pipe. If this is true, then the Biturbo pipe | mearly brings the 'ped up to Euro specs and this shouldn't be harmful. Legal | Stuff: I AM NOT AN EXPERT, THIS IS ONLY AN EDUCATED GUESS BASED ON WHAT I | WAS TOLD WHEN I BOUGHT MY '96 TOMOS TARGA LX. I WOULD ADVISE DOUBLE CHECKING | THIS HYPOTHESIS WITH HANS HARTMAN AND/OR PETER STAAL | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ I can't agree more, Peter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/13/97, 11:42:32 PM Subject: Re: Moped Identifacation | Onderwerp: Fw: Moped Identifacation | Datum: woensdag 13 augustus 1997 22:01 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: Jerky181@aol.com () | Date: 8/13/97, 11:21:06 AM | Subject: Moped Identifacation | | | | PS. I've heard of some kind of exhast pipe called a Bi-Turbo. Does anyone | know anything about it or what it does? | | Thanks! | | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ The biturbo, (what a over rated name , it has nothing to do with a turbo anyway) is an alround expansion pipe with a muffler on the end, with a faily wide power band. ( in comparision to the standard pipes it has an better flow trough and as an extra a good expansion/ reflection effect, thus a better filling from the cylinder, so all the way more speed/power) Peter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/13/97, 11:54:31 PM Subject: Re: 1977 Puch Maxi | Onderwerp: Fw: 1977 Puch Maxi | Datum: woensdag 13 augustus 1997 22:01 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: Fltlevl420@aol.com () | Date: 8/13/97, 3:02:23 PM | Subject: 1977 Puch Maxi | | There is a lock on the front suspention and I think its a steering wheel lock | (I don't know much about mopeds) where can I get a key to it? | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Hello, IF you are lucky and you can read the number from the lock , maybe your local dealer can get you a spare..(or the importing company, or your local locksmith ?) In case it is locked.... you can bore out the keyhole until it comes out. the copper is not that hard, it is easier than sawing the blocking pin.. in case it is not locked, no problem.. Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: duckdogs@bright.net (Kauffman's) Date: 8/14/97, 12:31:07 AM Subject: Gas prices Peter, Gas here in Ohio USA has been about $1.20 for regular. I dont know off hand the conversion factors for metric to english and vice-versa. Greg Kauffman 1974 2002 Tii 1968 Z28 1988 Suburban, the "Rig" 1970 Norton Commando S 1979 Puch Maxi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman) Date: 8/14/97, 8:31:31 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? John Agner wrote: >Someone has got to dig up that article in Rider from the 70's which >extolled the virtues of touring on a vespa scooter at a slow pace. Do >you think we are getting a large enough group here to get a rally going >by next summer? If the scooters do it, why not the peds? Count me in. I will attend this event. Who would like to host it? What help is needed? Leon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/14/97, 9:37:43 AM Subject: vespa centerstand problem My Vespa Grande developed new behavior with the centerstand. No longer does it firmly rest on the stand. The ped leans on one (of the two) leg or the other and seems to want to tip over. Also I've noticed that the stand seems close to the ground when in the up position. Yet the brace to which the stand mounts seems unbent and in place. The legs seem unbent, and the center bolt which mounts the stand to the frame seems straight. Has anyone experienced this problem, and does anyone have any suggestions on a fix? I'm unwilling to take it to places where I have to leave it, because it's so unbalanced on the stand that I'm afraid someone who simply touches it will knock it over. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/14/97, 9:43:01 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Unsubcribe moped. MaybMoped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: justinh@blazenet.net (Justin Hershey) > Date: 8/13/97, 9:46:03 PM > Subject: Unsubcribe moped. > > I would stay on but I just got fourty-two emails. > justinh@blazenet.net > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- Maybe we're at a point where we need a newsgroup. However, I have enjoyed the way it's been moderated by you, Andrew, so I'd opt for a moderated newsgroup if he was so inclined and the need for a newsgroup arose. Any thoughts on alt.moped? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paltron@interlog.com () Date: 8/14/97, 10:11:07 AM Subject: Indian moped I'm trying to find pictures, history, parts sources and a running or restorable bike of the 4-stroke Indian. Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/14/97, 10:56:12 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? In a message dated 97-08-13 22:07:28 EDT, you write: > My question is >> why do so many people out there make fun of owning a moped? They say it is >> wimpy!! Not me. The question I always get is why buy a moped when you can >> buy a motorcycle. Probably because they've never ridden a 'ped. Now in terms of power, a 'ped is somewhat wimpy, but if you're not in a great hurry, it doesn't matter. I bought a 'ped because there is no way I could afford a mototcycle now (and the 133 mpg fuel economy didn't hurt). Also, gas is cheap here in America, so for most people fuel economy is unimportant. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/14/97, 10:59:01 AM Subject: Re: Moped Repair Question...... | Onderwerp: Fw: Moped Repair Question...... | Datum: donderdag 14 augustus 1997 3:08 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: tpea@macnet.com (Tabby Pe'a) | Date: 8/13/97, 5:12:31 PM | Subject: Moped Repair Question...... | | dear Moped Mailing List, | | I am 16 and I have an old 1977 Yamaha LB80-2AE. I am in the process of | restoring it, but I do not know anything about mopeds. I need spark plug | wires, but I do not know what to get or where to get them. Any help | would be appreciated. | | Sincerely, | Telly Pe'a | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Any car or moped parts shop can help you, ask for non-resitor sparkplug cables, or go to the local junk yard and pull em off a wreak, adjust the lenght and screw it in the coil (put it trough the hole in the motor/frame) and screw the plug cap on, done. in case of desperacy any cable works as long as it is well insulated, if not well insulated you will get a electro-shock , (not very harmfull, but painfull enough to don't like it) especcialy in humid conditions (rain) when you touch it. Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/14/97, 11:01:46 AM Subject: Re: Unsubcribe moped. | Onderwerp: Fw: Unsubcribe moped. | Datum: donderdag 14 augustus 1997 3:48 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: justinh@blazenet.net (Justin Hershey) | Date: 8/13/97, 9:46:03 PM | Subject: Unsubcribe moped. | | I would stay on but I just got fourty-two emails. | justinh@blazenet.net | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Hi Justin, you are not the only one.. but you don't have to read / or answer 'em all, thats why they have a subject........... Peter. (mail filtering, or in-box setup, will separate 'em from the urgent, and or personal stuff) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/14/97, 11:10:20 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Porting-job for speed. In a message dated 97-08-14 05:51:50 EDT, you write: >It's a reed valve inlet, opening the exhaust port will let it breath as it >was intended to and will increase the RPMs at which it operates. Mine runs >fine at about 8000 RPM, not the 10 to 11 thousand mentioned in the earlier >post, but it does put out better than 4 hp. Thanks. I don't intend to open up the exaust port too much, maybe 2mm all around if at all. As soon as I get my shop manual from Tomos (they had to ship UPS) I am going to try polishing the ports and maybe that will give the extra torque I want, if not, porting becomes a real possibility. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/14/97, 11:12:59 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? In a message dated 97-08-14 07:53:42 EDT, you write: > Do >you think we are getting a large enough group here to get a rally going >by next summer? If the scooters do it, why not the peds? I've been wondering how long it would take before someone came up with that idea. If a moped rally does materialize I'll be there if I am able. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/14/97, 11:21:19 AM Subject: Re: I have a Few Questions | Onderwerp: Fw: I have a Few Questions | Datum: donderdag 14 augustus 1997 4:00 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: rmh@snip.net (Mike Hillegas) | Date: 8/13/97, 9:56:38 PM | Subject: I have a Few Questions | | Hello! Hi My name is Mike. I have a 1995 Tomos Targa LX with a Biturbo | Muffler. It has over 13,000 miles on it. My engine is about 30% down on | compression and needs to be rebuilt. Since I'm rebuilding it I'm getting | a 70cc kit with a different pistion, carb., and manifold spacer. The | stock moped is 50cc. My question is does the lower cylinder come off? | Does that need to be replaced since the engine is so worn, or will | slightly bigger rings do the job. I need any info on this stuff that I | can get. Thanks alot! | | Mike Hillegas E-Mail - rmh@snip.net | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Hi Mike, Lower cylinder ?? what do you mean by that but, if you have a complete 70cc kit it includes a New , cilinder, piston,piston pin and blocking springs, rings, head,manifold,carb, and gaskets. The difference between 50 and 70 cc cilinder can't be bridged by a few rings , but you'll see when you have demontaged the old set and compare it with the new, i hope you do realize that with the new set it will be hard to drive the next 13.000 miles without extra (much more) wear and tear from the crackshaft, and chain/chainwheel set and even the frame....... Montage, unscrew the head bolds, and sparkplug, carb~ and exhaust nuts/(bolds) , take away the exhaust/ carb, head, cylinder, remove the (or one) piston pin blocking springs, remove the pistonpin. and foot gasket.. Clean every thing carefuly, montage pistonrings on piston, piston/pin/spring on rod ,gasket,cylinder,gasket,cylinderhead,gaskets,manifold,carb and exhaust,sparkplug and done Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/14/97, 11:25:52 AM Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Jawa 130 question | Onderwerp: Fw: Re: Fw: Jawa 130 question | Datum: donderdag 14 augustus 1997 2:04 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: AaronM428@aol.com () | Date: 8/13/97, 7:43:07 PM | Subject: Re: Fw: Jawa 130 question | | In a message dated 97-08-13 18:48:16 EDT, you write: | | >Does anyone know which position is open on the fuel valve? | >The little wing rotates freely 360 degrees; is maybe a | >vertical position open? | > | I don't know about Jawas, but I believe that all fuel valves that work | properly have only 180 degrees of possible rotation. Up=reserve | Horizontal=off Down=on (at least normally). There should be detents | during the rotation for each of the "on/off/reserve" points. | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ On all my tomoses it is 180 degrees and front=close down=open back =reserve..... Peter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerky181@aol.com () Date: 8/14/97, 11:54:14 AM Subject: 81 Yamaha moped Me and a buddy of mine just got a used moped. Some guy sold it to us for cheap but it doesn't run. He didn't give us a manual or parts list or anything. All I know about it is that it's a Yamaha and it was made in 1981. How would I find out what model it is and if I found that out, where could I get a parts list? I really want to get it running so please help me out. Thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: djb@harvard.edu ([ davey ]) Date: 8/14/97, 12:42:37 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: damn kids... At 08:48 PM 8/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >I am 14, but not theif. I don't think it's worth going to hell and >being arrested is worth some free stuff. Yeah. When you get to hell, they confiscate all of your free stuff anyhow. ;p >My CR is about 35 times faster though! Wow!! So it can do like... 1300 miles per hour?? Geesh. [ d*b ] < -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/14/97, 2:17:44 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Moped Identifacation In a message dated 97-08-14 13:12:53 EDT, you write: >PS. I've heard of some kind of exhast pipe called a Bi-Turbo. Does anyone >know anything about it or what it does? > A Biturbo exaust pipe is a low restriction exaust pipe designed to allow the engine to breathe easier (and thereby create more power). Biturbo's are technically for "off road use only" but my Biturbo equipped 'ped passed liscensing inspection without a problem, no one even asked if the pipe was different than stock. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PBandOther@aol.com () Date: 8/14/97, 2:27:06 PM Subject: Fwd: stunt pics Here ya go --------------------- Forwarded message: From: paltron@interlog.com To: PBandOther@aol.com Date: 97-08-14 14:26:01 EDT re yr posting on the moped mailing list: send us a couple of shots (jpef, gif or tiff) and we'll post it in the moped magazine as "feature photo". URL: http://www.interlog.com/~paltron/moped Paul Angyal Editor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman) Date: 8/14/97, 4:50:53 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Porting-job for speed. > Thanks. I don't intend to open up the exaust port too much, maybe 2mm > all > around if at all. As soon as I get my shop manual from Tomos (they > had to > ship UPS) I am going to try polishing the ports and maybe that will > give the > extra torque I want, if not, porting becomes a real possibility. 2mm should give you a very good idea of what is to be gained by opening it more. The difference between the '96 I have and a stock one is absolutely amazing. I can't wait to try the 70cc kit on it. Leon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/14/97, 6:27:09 PM Subject: List stats - approaching the record! Hello, my friends! Back in end of July, when I was starting this list, I wasn't sure anybody would sign up. Today the following numbers show just how wrong I was: As of 14 Aug 1997: I. Moped Mailing List has 81 members. II. 500th message has just been posted today - that's average of ~11 messages per day. The average in August has been 17 per day and the record was set on August 13th - 53 messages!!! III. There was 253 messages in July and so far 247 in August - we have good chance of topping July's number by the middle of this month! Thank you for being here! Andrew Moped Mailing List Administrator -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/14/97, 7:49:33 PM Subject: some links Hello moped mailing list , some Tech links... http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcnuts/em-pipes.html http://www.icnetx.com/speed/jet.html http://www.fmfracing.com/jet.html http://www.pwczone.com/issue04/tech.html maybe usefull for anyone... Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paltron@interlog.com () Date: 8/14/97, 9:41:54 PM Subject: RE: Fw: vespa centerstand problem On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:16:01 -0300 Moped mailing list >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) > Date: 8/14/97, 9:37:43 AM >Subject: vespa centerstand problem > >My Vespa Grande developed new behavior with the centerstand. No longer >does it firmly rest on the stand. The ped leans on one (of the two) leg >or the other and seems to want to tip over. Also I've noticed that the >stand seems close to the ground when in the up position. Yet the brace >to which the stand mounts seems unbent and in place. The legs seem >unbent, and the center bolt which mounts the stand to the frame seems >straight. Has anyone experienced this problem, and does anyone have any >suggestions on a fix? I'm unwilling to take it to places where I have >to leave it, because it's so unbalanced on the stand that I'm afraid >someone who simply touches it will knock it over. > > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ > > The Grande is notorious for this. The stand is weak, the bike is too heavy and the constant setting up-taking down just wears out the material. Best to replace the stand. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/14/97, 10:22:16 PM Subject: Helmets In some states you have to wear helmet to ride a moped. However, the law is not set in stone. Here is related story about motorcycle helmet regulations. ARKANSAS REPEALS HELMET LAW (from "Big-Twin" magazine) Arkansas' helmet law, which has been in place for 30 years, has been repealed effecitve Mid-June. Henceforth, riders in that state will be abel to choose between wearing and not wearing. As is true in many other states, young riders (in this case under the age of 21) still have to wear the lids, but older riders can legally let their locks down. Arkansas is the 26th state to approve voluntary helmet use; and industry insiders suggest that the number of states with mandatory helmet use will continue to decline. Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NCIDE@aol.com () Date: 8/14/97, 10:25:10 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? Tom, I am 14 years old and in ohio it is legal to ride a moped at this age and I am eagerly serching for a moped that runs and is under $250. If you have any iformation about buying a moped or where to get one prferably in the cleveland area I would greatly appreciate it. thanks, jason --------------------- Forwarded message: From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Moped mailing list) Reply-to: daugava@nothnbut.net (Moped mailing list) To: beauty4ashes@iquest.net CC: TEMPLE99@aol.com, thepub@artcommerce.com, BOB.AMENTA@worldnet.att.net, PBandOther@aol.com, kjs216@psu.edu, janssa@usa.net, NCIDE@aol.com, FangLang@aol.com, jimithing72482@hotmail.com, Catrinus.Wallet@tek.COM, RJB022778@aol.com, pfink@interaccess.com, Ken_Cregger@ccm.jf.intel.com, britton14@hotmail.com, nkellen@hcc-uky.campus.mci.net, LoveU4free@aol.com, laurinj@videotron.ca, garst@netscope.net, DNICH@worldnet.att.net, FloresClan@hotmail.com, msand@mb.sympatico.ca, mrider@illuminet.net, SARADOR@aol.com, SStriner@aol.com, asprayberr@aol.com, AaronM428@aol.com, HarHill@aol.com, BushMan89@aol.com, Enducer@ionsys.com, libertybell7@earthlink.net, duckdogs@bright.net, Prender2478@msn.com, Norris.Heckwine@COMPAQ.com, WD4POH@intrlink.com, ANDOVER@aol.com, lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu, hansn@xs4all.nl, framin1@ix.netcom.com, Rodman826@aol.com, SUPRDAVE@aol.com, bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com, JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net, staal@concepts.nl, AMF5@aol.com, jcoplanj@brookings.net, ckoerner@motown.lmco.com, bunson@bc.sympatico.ca, paltron@interlog.com, nimlo@neca.com, kelgar@po-box.mcgill.ca, agner@erols.com, atburns@hiwaay.net, WPDORE@aol.com, d.van.steenberg@tip.nl, ratman99@worldnet.att.net, familys@ziplink.net, webmaster@webscaper.com, hdeaton@surf.com, abburns@ingr.com, bzonk@hotmail.com, Philip.Kuhl@ping.be, papo@bigcat.bellcore.com, TKlip90662@aol.com, chrislo@cfw.com, ChanFan4@aol.com, folklore@well.com, PHATone74@aol.com, bmflynn@concentric.net, dgwood@pacifier.com, schneidk@bvsd.k12.co.us, Gtoo6@aol.com, porsche_914-6@juno.com, Fltlevl420@aol.com, ian.krykorka@utoronto.ca, BURTON627@aol.com, Barman3565@aol.com, darren_finbow@msn.com, novotbs@mtco.com, justinh@blazenet.net, francis@bright.net Date: 97-08-12 17:31:07 EDT --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- From: Barman3565@aol.com () Date: 8/12/97, 12:19:27 AM Subject: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? Hi moped Maniacs!!!! My name is Tom and I got to ask this question. Back in 1978 I was 15 years old and my Lazer Moped was the best thing in my life. It was freedom, fun, and everyone loved riding it. Why is it today that when I talk about buying a moped people laugh at me. They make jokes like (a harley dude will see me on it and kick me and my moped onto the ground)! What is wrong with these people? I am 33 years old and I will never give into peer pressure but why do people view riding a moped as something WIMPY ? They are fun to ride and not dangerous like riding a motorcycle. You know people would want to ride it if they saw it, but yet they make fun of it. Any comments out there? Tom. --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barman3565@aol.com () Date: 8/14/97, 11:11:30 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Happy Days with the Ole 'Ped I am 33 years old now but 18 years ago I used to own a General. I loved it and it never broke down on me. It was a great moped. I don't remember the gas to oil ratio but any moped dealer can help you out with that one. As far as increasing the speed goes, if it does 25 to 30 mph be satisfied. That is what makes a moped a moped. Enjoy the ride safely and take in the wind and sites. Tom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be () Date: 8/14/97, 11:55:25 PM Subject: Is Riding a Moped Wimpy? No, of course not. I ride a 1996 Peugeot 103. Severa of my USMC (= United States Marine Corps) buddies have Harleys, and were, indeed, aghast at the idea that I would buy a moped. I fought back by naming my green Peugeot "Piglet" from the Winnie-the-Pooh stories; I figured that if Harleys were called "hogs," then "Piglet" was appropriate for my Peugeot! My buddies roared! I ride my moped for me, not for anyone else -- including my buddies. I love the sensation, as I sputter along the backroads here in Belgium, of hearing and feeling every part of my moped functioning as it brings me to my destination. I get a true appreciation of what an internal combustion engine is all about, and there's an odd sensation of pleasure in the magneto generating enough current for my head- and tail-lights. Of course all this exists in my truck, but there I am insulated from the process of propulsion and generation (I just stomp on the gas pedal and the truck moves.); with the moped I'm a part of it. Everyone who rides a moped chooses to do so for a different reason: For the youngest among us, it may be the only motor vehicle to which they have access; for others it is a matter of cost and fuel economy and lack of licensing and insurance requirements, for others still it's the pleasure of the "minimalist" sputtering through the countryside. The attraction for me is a combination of the minimalist and the economist, but that's really irrelevant: What's important is that I ride a moped because I like to. Now, are there those who will sneer? Of course! It's the same kind of person who, on his Cannondale bicyle, sneers at the fellow riding a Huffy. By the way: That Cannondale rider is being sneered at by the rider of the supercharged Tomos, who is being sneered at by the rider of the big Kawasaki, who is beeing sneered at by the driver of the Hyundai, who is being sneered at by the Cadillac driver, who....well, you get the idea! Ride what you want because you want to. Let others do the same. If you want to think that, somehow, you are superior to me because you drive something that is more expensive -- well, I hope that gives you some pleasure! I get my pleasure from enjoying what I chose to have, not by trying to make myself seem superior to others by virtue of my posessions! Phil Philip.Kuhl@ping.be -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/15/97, 12:06:44 AM Subject: Re: vespa centerstand problem | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) | Date: 8/14/97, 9:37:43 AM | Subject: vespa centerstand problem | | My Vespa Grande developed new behavior with the centerstand. No longer | does it firmly rest on the stand. The ped leans on one (of the two) leg | or the other and seems to want to tip over. Also I've noticed that the | stand seems close to the ground when in the up position. Yet the brace | to which the stand mounts seems unbent and in place. The legs seem | unbent, and the center bolt which mounts the stand to the frame seems | straight. Has anyone experienced this problem, and does anyone have any | suggestions on a fix? I'm unwilling to take it to places where I have | to leave it, because it's so unbalanced on the stand that I'm afraid | someone who simply touches it will knock it over. | | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Hi John, i don't know the exact construction of your ped centerstand but can't it be that the legs seem to be lower to the ground because of a lame spring wich has to keep it up, and the unstable standing is caused by a bend , or wore out blocking device (the thing where the stand top has to be 'held' against when in down (vertical) position) (possible you can compare it to an other ped from the same type and then it is possible that you stand is going a little to much forward with the stand's 'feet' (at one tomos i had to weld a piece of metal extra at the top of the stand. to fix it.) Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/15/97, 12:17:08 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: vespa centerstand problem Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) > Date: 8/15/97, 12:06:44 AM > Subject: Re: vespa centerstand problem > > | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > | From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) > | Date: 8/14/97, 9:37:43 AM > | Subject: vespa centerstand problem > | > | My Vespa Grande developed new behavior with the centerstand. No longer > | does it firmly rest on the stand. The ped leans on one (of the two) leg > | or the other and seems to want to tip over. Also I've noticed that the > | stand seems close to the ground when in the up position. Yet the brace > | to which the stand mounts seems unbent and in place. The legs seem > | unbent, and the center bolt which mounts the stand to the frame seems > | straight. Has anyone experienced this problem, and does anyone have any > | suggestions on a fix? I'm unwilling to take it to places where I have > | to leave it, because it's so unbalanced on the stand that I'm afraid > | someone who simply touches it will knock it over. > | > | > | > | > | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ > Hi John, > > i don't know the exact construction of your ped centerstand but can't it be > that the legs seem to be lower to the ground because of a lame spring wich > has to keep it up, and the unstable standing is caused by a bend , or wore > out blocking device (the thing where the stand top has to be 'held' against > when in down (vertical) position) (possible you can compare it to an other > ped from the same type and then it is possible that you stand is going a > little to much forward with the stand's 'feet' (at one tomos i had to weld > a piece of metal extra at the top of the stand. to fix it.) > > Bye, Peter Staal > > from: staal@concepts.nl > peter_tomos@geocities.com > Homepages: > http://home.concepts.nl/~staal > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Thanks for the feedback. It could be the spring. The blocking piece doesn't seem worn, but the stand is definitely going too far forward! I'll check it out. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/15/97, 12:21:04 AM Subject: Re: Fw: RE: Fw: vespa centerstand problem Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: paltron@interlog.com () > Date: 8/14/97, 9:41:54 PM > Subject: RE: Fw: vespa centerstand problem > > On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:16:01 -0300 > Moped mailing list > > >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > > From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) > > Date: 8/14/97, 9:37:43 AM > >Subject: vespa centerstand problem > > > >My Vespa Grande developed new behavior with the centerstand. No longer > >does it firmly rest on the stand. The ped leans on one (of the two) leg > >or the other and seems to want to tip over. Also I've noticed that the > >stand seems close to the ground when in the up position. Yet the brace > >to which the stand mounts seems unbent and in place. The legs seem > >unbent, and the center bolt which mounts the stand to the frame seems > >straight. Has anyone experienced this problem, and does anyone have any > >suggestions on a fix? I'm unwilling to take it to places where I have > >to leave it, because it's so unbalanced on the stand that I'm afraid > >someone who simply touches it will knock it over. > > > > > > > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > > The Grande is notorious for this. The stand is weak, the bike is too heavy > and the constant setting up-taking down just wears out the material. Best > to replace the stand. > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ But what material wore out? The stand seems to be perfectly intact, as does the bracket to which it mounts.I thought it could be a weak spring because the stand seems to go to far forward when in the down position. But I can't seem to push it up, when it appears in its low "up" position, as though the stand=up position is still travelling to its original capacity. Has been puzzling at best, but I'll take your suggestion and try a spring replacement for starters. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/15/97, 12:27:30 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Helmets Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) > Date: 8/14/97, 10:22:16 PM > Subject: Helmets > > In some states you have to wear helmet to ride a moped. However, the law is > not set in stone. > Here is related story about motorcycle helmet regulations. > > ARKANSAS REPEALS HELMET LAW (from "Big-Twin" magazine) > Arkansas' helmet law, which has been in place for 30 years, has been > repealed effecitve Mid-June. > Henceforth, riders in that state will be abel to choose between wearing and > not wearing. As is true > in many other states, young riders (in this case under the age of 21) still > have to wear the lids, but older > riders can legally let their locks down. > Arkansas is the 26th state to approve voluntary helmet use; and industry > insiders suggest that the number > of states with mandatory helmet use will continue to decline. > > Andrew > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ When I lived in and rode motorcycles in Colorado, there was no helmet law, but I always wore one, even during hot days across the Utah and Arizona desert. A neighbor of mine died as a teen about 20 years ago, found lying along the side of the rode. Apparently she was forced off the road as she rode her bicycle and struck her head on the ground. She had no bicycle helmet. The law in NJ requires not only cyclists and mopeders but also kids on bicycles to wear helmets, and I think it's a good law. Reminds me of the old Bell helmet ad== if you have a $10 head, wear a $10 helmet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/15/97, 5:53:52 AM Subject: Re: Helmets | Onderwerp: Fw: Helmets | Datum: vrijdag 15 augustus 1997 5:24 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) | Date: 8/14/97, 10:22:16 PM | Subject: Helmets | | In some states you have to wear helmet to ride a moped. However, the law is | not set in stone. | Here is related story about motorcycle helmet regulations. | | ARKANSAS REPEALS HELMET LAW (from "Big-Twin" magazine) | Arkansas' helmet law, which has been in place for 30 years, has been | repealed effecitve Mid-June. | Henceforth, riders in that state will be abel to choose between wearing and | not wearing. As is true | in many other states, young riders (in this case under the age of 21) still | have to wear the lids, but older | riders can legally let their locks down. | Arkansas is the 26th state to approve voluntary helmet use; and industry | insiders suggest that the number | of states with mandatory helmet use will continue to decline. | | Andrew | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Here In The Netherlands it is so, that you have to wear one (with at least EEC approval E3) since 1972 and it has brought down the amount of serious head damage with a lot of %, and it is nice and warm in the winter, and is good against the rain. So i'm glad i'm wearing one. Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman) Date: 8/15/97, 8:15:36 AM Subject: Re: Helmets John Agner wrote: > When I lived in and rode motorcycles in Colorado, there was no helmet > law, but I always wore one . . . snip > The law in NJ requires not only cyclists and > mopeders but also kids on bicycles to wear helmets, and I think it's a > > good law. I live in Prince William County, Virginia, I have no problem with helmets. I do have a problem with helmet laws. 1) In the case of kids on bicycles; how am I to teach my 5 year old daughter that motorcycles are more dangerous than mopeds which are more dangerous than her bicycle if she has to wear a helmet when she rides any of them? 2) Why am I considered a lawbreaker when my 17 year old son rides his moped without a helmet? Yet I'm not a lawbreaker when I ride (sans helmet) on a moped. 3) Why is it that if I ride the moped to work (20 miles of heavy traffic) I don't have to wear a helmet; yet if I ride my motorcycle on the street in front of my house (nearly no traffic) I have to wear a helmet? 4) If I am allowed to decide for myself when it is appropriate to wear my Aerostich riding suit ($600 and similar to leathers) and I have worn it while riding the moped, why will the state will not allow me to make similar judgements about protecting my head? Helmets are a good thing. Not wearing one when it's needed is stupid. Just because an action is stupid, it does not follow that it should be illegal. If it were, this message would be forwarded from a jail somewhere. Leon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paltron@interlog.com () Date: 8/15/97, 8:50:47 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Helmets Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) > Date: 8/14/97, 10:22:16 PM > Subject: Helmets > > In some states you have to wear helmet to ride a moped. However, the law is > not set in stone. > Here is related story about motorcycle helmet regulations. > > ARKANSAS REPEALS HELMET LAW (from "Big-Twin" magazine) > Arkansas' helmet law, which has been in place for 30 years, has been > repealed effecitve Mid-June. > Henceforth, riders in that state will be abel to choose between wearing and > not wearing. As is true > in many other states, young riders (in this case under the age of 21) still > have to wear the lids, but older > riders can legally let their locks down. > Arkansas is the 26th state to approve voluntary helmet use; and industry > insiders suggest that the number > of states with mandatory helmet use will continue to decline. > > Andrew > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ That is one abolition that I'd call downright stupid. Anybody who fell off a motorcycle or a moped can attest to how much a helmet can protect you. I'm one of these. Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lanaya@notes.cc.bellcore.com () Date: 8/15/97, 9:45:39 AM Subject: Mopeds, Newsgroups and Miscelaneous rambling Hi: 1. I do really appreciate the fact that there is a forum to talk about mopeds. Although a newsgroup is a neat idea, another alternative would be to have a listserv that supports digest mode. 2. What's the average age in this group? It seems to me that I'm pretty old (30 yrs), compared with the rest of the people in the group. So, the question is, if you are older than 25, is riding a moped wimpy? :) 3. Laws regarding mopeds do vary a lo. When John Anger suggested me to go to the DMV in New Jersey, I did not know that you needed a different license to be able to ride a motorcycle while for a moped, you can get by with a regular driver's license or a moped license can get you by. In Puerto Rico, a motorcycle license it would be the equivalent of a moped license in the USA, you can ride a moped or motorcycle with the same license, and if you have a driver's license, you do not need a different license to ride a motorcycle. But, In theory, you are not supposed to ride a motorcycle in a highway without a permit, and the motorcycle must be big and heavy. This is because Highway 52 that crosses the island North-South crosses the Central Mountain Range, and it is subject to cross winds. Most of the 50cc mopeds ("Motocletas" in Puertorican slang) in the island are Honda Spree's scooters. Any other weird laws regarding mopeds that you can share? That's all for now, Luis Anaya Still saving for a Tomos Targa -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/15/97, 11:58:57 AM Subject: Re: Fw: List stats - approaching the record! In a message dated 97-08-14 21:39:41 EDT, you write: > > Thank you for being here! There's other places to be?! :-> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/15/97, 12:03:56 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Helmets In a message dated 97-08-14 23:56:51 EDT, you write: >it is nice and warm in the winter Problem here is that it is VERY warm in the summer, having the helmit on is like being in a greenhouse. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/15/97, 1:51:23 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Mopeds, Newsgroups and Miscelaneous rambling Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: lanaya@notes.cc.bellcore.com () > Date: 8/15/97, 9:45:39 AM > Subject: Mopeds, Newsgroups and Miscelaneous rambling > > Hi: > > 1. I do really appreciate the fact that there is a forum to talk about > mopeds. Although > a newsgroup is a neat idea, another alternative would be to have a listserv > that > supports digest mode. > > 2. What's the average age in this group? It seems to me that I'm pretty > old (30 yrs), compared > with the rest of the people in the group. So, the question is, if you are > older than 25, > is riding a moped wimpy? :) > > 3. Laws regarding mopeds do vary a lo. When John Anger suggested me to go > to the DMV in > New Jersey, I did not know that you needed a different license to be able > to ride > a motorcycle while for a moped, you can get by with a regular driver's > license or > a moped license can get you by. > > In Puerto Rico, a motorcycle license it would be the equivalent of a moped > license in the > USA, you can ride a moped or motorcycle with the same license, and if you > have > a driver's license, you do not need a different license to ride a > motorcycle. But, In theory, > you are not supposed to ride a motorcycle in a highway without a permit, > and the > motorcycle must be big and heavy. This is because Highway 52 that crosses > the island North-South crosses the Central Mountain Range, and it is > subject to cross winds. Most of the 50cc > mopeds ("Motocletas" in Puertorican slang) in the island are Honda Spree's > scooters. > > Any other weird laws regarding mopeds that you can share? > > That's all for now, > > Luis Anaya > > Still saving for a Tomos Targa > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ By the way, a motorcycle license is also good for a ped in NJ. However, a 15 year old can get a ped license, while you must be 17 for a motorcycle or driver's license. I'm in my 40's, and I get the impression that many members are in there 30's or 40's. However, the younger members seem to be pretty mellow as well. Unlike the scooter newsgroup, I haven't seen any calls for club members or rallys that focus on getting loaded or trashed, nor have I seen any calls for skin heads or the like. Not that I'm an intolerant person, but I'm a bit beyond the "let's get wasted" point in my life. Nor do I embrace the intolerance of others. (In contrast, that seems to be a strong point with many scooterists, from my readings in the newsgroup and in 'zines like 2 stroke buzz (which I enjoy reading)). So my point is that the group seems to have a large cross section of ages; yet everyone seems to be focused on just peds, which makes it a great place to chat and visit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/15/97, 1:58:57 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Helmets Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman) > Date: 8/15/97, 8:15:36 AM > Subject: Re: Helmets > > John Agner wrote: > > > When I lived in and rode motorcycles in Colorado, there was no helmet > > law, but I always wore one > > . . . snip > > > The law in NJ requires not only cyclists and > > mopeders but also kids on bicycles to wear helmets, and I think it's a > > > > good law. > > I live in Prince William County, Virginia, I have no problem with > helmets. I do have a problem with helmet laws. > > 1) In the case of kids on bicycles; how am I to teach my 5 year old > daughter that motorcycles are more dangerous than mopeds which are more > dangerous than her bicycle if she has to wear a helmet when she rides > any of them? > > 2) Why am I considered a lawbreaker when my 17 year old son rides his > moped without a helmet? Yet I'm not a lawbreaker when I ride (sans > helmet) on a moped. > > 3) Why is it that if I ride the moped to work (20 miles of heavy > traffic) I don't have to wear a helmet; yet if I ride my motorcycle on > the street in front of my house (nearly no traffic) I have to wear a > helmet? > > 4) If I am allowed to decide for myself when it is appropriate to wear > my Aerostich riding suit ($600 and similar to leathers) and I have worn > it while riding the moped, why will the state will not allow me to make > similar judgements about protecting my head? > > Helmets are a good thing. Not wearing one when it's needed is stupid. > Just because an action is stupid, it does not follow that it should be > illegal. > If it were, this message would be forwarded from a jail somewhere. > > Leon. > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ I agree that laws should be limited as should government. But many bikers would not wear helmets, were it not for the law, nor would kids nor mopeders. Just like seatbelts (which I didn't wear until I came upon an accident where the driver died at the scene, and DID NOT HAVE HIS SEAT BELT ON), they've been around for a lond time, but it took much enforcement work to get people to use the safety device. I understand that some people don't like big brother telling them what to do. On the other hand, I don't like paying taxes for someone on disability because of an injury that could have and should have been prevented. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dgwood@pacifier.com (David G Wood) Date: 8/15/97, 3:35:26 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Helmets On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Moped mailing list wrote: > > I live in Prince William County, Virginia, I have no problem with > helmets. I do have a problem with helmet laws. > > 1) In the case of kids on bicycles; how am I to teach my 5 year old > daughter that motorcycles are more dangerous than mopeds which are more > dangerous than her bicycle if she has to wear a helmet when she rides > any of them? Are motorcycles more dangerous than mopeds, bicycles? I've read motorcycle magazines that asserted that motorcycle riding was as dangerous as bicycle riding and that the main risk from head injury was the vertical fall from the riding position, not the higher speed of the motorcycle. Any statistics to back up your claim? Me neither. I suspect that the total number of deaths from bicycle riding is higher than motorcycle riding- just because of the relative numbers of people who do each. > > 2) Why am I considered a lawbreaker when my 17 year old son rides his > moped without a helmet? Yet I'm not a lawbreaker when I ride (sans > helmet) on a moped. Children are not considered, legally, to be competent to make decisions in their own best interest. I think that an arbitrary age doesn't make you competent but it is the traditional measure of adulthood. > > 3) Why is it that if I ride the moped to work (20 miles of heavy > traffic) I don't have to wear a helmet; yet if I ride my motorcycle on > the street in front of my house (nearly no traffic) I have to wear a > helmet? Beats me. I've read statistics that claim fatal motorcycle injuries were 71% due to head injuries. The same source claimed that automobile fatalities were 70% due to head injuries. The same logic that dictates using helmets on motorcycles would also seem to apply to cars, yet I've never even heard the idea of helmets in cars proposed. The law is often arbitrary, and not often based on scientific/engineering principals. > > 4) If I am allowed to decide for myself when it is appropriate to wear > my Aerostich riding suit ($600 and similar to leathers) and I have worn > it while riding the moped, why will the state will not allow me to make > similar judgements about protecting my head? > > Helmets are a good thing. Not wearing one when it's needed is stupid. > Just because an action is stupid, it does not follow that it should be > illegal. > If it were, this message would be forwarded from a jail somewhere. > > Leon. -Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dgwood@pacifier.com (David G Wood) Date: 8/15/97, 3:39:45 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Helmets > That is one abolition that I'd call downright stupid. Anybody who fell > off a motorcycle or a moped can attest to how much a helmet can protect > you. I'm one of these. > Paul I'm one also but adults should have the right to choose their own way of life. We all die, regardless of government's attempts to stop it. -Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dgwood@pacifier.com (David G Wood) Date: 8/15/97, 3:47:27 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Mopeds, Newsgroups and Miscelaneous rambling On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Moped mailing list wrote: > > Hi: -snip- > > 2. What's the average age in this group? It seems to me that I'm pretty > old (30 yrs), compared > with the rest of the people in the group. So, the question is, if you are > older than 25, > is riding a moped wimpy? :) An advantage of being 37 is that I care a whole lot less about whether people consider wimpy. My friends at work laughed btu I knew they would and I bought it anyway. I've yet to be bothered by younger people. Either they don't care or it's not worth their trouble to hassle an old fart. The really young kids- pre-teen - all like it. I think they want to ride and it and a small scooter looks like non-intimidating and fun. -Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: agner@erols.com (John Agner) Date: 8/15/97, 7:02:35 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: vespa centerstand problem Moped mailing list wrote: > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) > Date: 8/15/97, 10:01:54 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: vespa centerstand problem > > Hello John, > At 15:16 14-08-97 -0500, you wrote: > >My Vespa Grande developed new behavior with the centerstand. No longer > > Well, that certainly isn't new behaviour to me.. > If you're lucky, you'll just have to renew the pin (bolt?) on which the > stand pivots. > Getting the springs into place is a real bitch though, we fight for another > job down here :-) > In Italy, there's aftermarket replacement of centre stands (Buzetti) which > cost half the stock ones do. > Ask Andover, maybe they've got it.. Or else Andover has to ask me, won't they? > > >stand seems close to the ground when in the up position. Yet the brace > >to which the stand mounts seems unbent and in place. The legs seem > >unbent, and the center bolt which mounts the stand to the frame seems > > Sometimes there's so much free play between bolt and frame, that we have to > weld rings onto the bracket to get it all straight again. We always fit a > new stand in these cases, the Buzetti ones come in a complete set with > springs, bolt and stand... > Look at the bolt, it must be straight (like you said it was) and it must be > the same diameter all over. The holes in the stand get worn too; together > with bolt, bracket and stand this gives enough free play for your problem. > You could (if there's no replacement) weld rings onto frame, center stand > and use a new bolt.... > > Cheers, > > Hans Hartman > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Thanks. I did resolve the problem. See my reply to others, which will probably be posted by know. You're right, the spring was a bear. The solution on getting the spring back (for me) was to get the ped on blocks (under the engine, muffler area) to get the wheel off the ground. Then I figured out how the spring sets with the stand in the up position. I put the end of the spring through the hole on the mounting block and clamped that end with needle nose vise grips. Then, I took my recently sledge hammered and straightened stand and shoe horned it in place, putting the tension clip around the leg of the stand. I tapped the bolt through (it was still straight) and viola, it was done. But it took well over an hour for me to figure out how to get the spring in place and tension loaded on the stand. I'll consider a replacement when my sledgehammer fails or the metal on the stand fractures. Thanks for the feedback. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barman3565@aol.com () Date: 8/15/97, 7:20:43 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Helmets As a free American Citizen over the age of 18, I do not need my government trying to protect me from time and chance!!! If I don't want to wear a helmet or a seat belt, I should not be forced to by some over protective law!!! The 24 states that have not repealed the helmet law should learn from the other 26 states which have! GIVE ME MY FREEDOM OF CHOICE AND LET TIME AND CHANCE TAKE ITS COURSE FOR GOOD OR BAD! IT IS MY LIFE! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barman3565@aol.com () Date: 8/15/97, 7:26:13 PM Subject: Re: JASON SORRRY JASON. I LIVE IN NEW JERSEY SO I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HELP YOU WITH QUEST FOR A LOW PRICED MOPED. TOM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barman3565@aol.com () Date: 8/15/97, 7:37:53 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Helmets PAUL, DON'T PROTECT ME OR ANY OTHER ADULT WHO DOES NOT WANT TO WEAR A HELMET. YOU COULD FALL DOWN THE STAIRS AND SMASH YOUR HEAD AND DIE. SO SHOULD IT BE A LAW THAT ALL HUMAN BEINGS THAT WALK UP AND DOWN STAIRS MUST WEAR A HELMET? I'LL WEAR ONE IF I FEEL I AM RIDING IN A DANGEROUS AREA, (I'M NOT STUPID), BUT WE DON'T NEED A HELMET LAW FOR MOPED RIDERS!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrislo@cfw.com (chris loewl) Date: 8/15/97, 8:05:17 PM Subject: vespa centerstand problem in general its a good idea not to sit on a bike its while on its stand (rocking on it is fun, sure - get a hobby horse). once bent they're hard to fix without a lot of rebending and welding. on bikes prone to such problems it would be advantagous to know this beforehand in order to reinforce whatever needs to be. thats what the moped mail is for too! as an alternative to a centerstand some bikes can be fitted with a special kickstand like a bicycle (ive seen them in germany). looks sharp. and no more sitting on these! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrislo@cfw.com (chris loewl) Date: 8/15/97, 8:09:34 PM Subject: apropos helmet: kidney protection i was wondering if anyone in the colder climes wears any belts to protect their kidneys. i rode my moped in any weather when i was a teen; my knees feel it a bit now 15 years later. but i have friends with real kidney problems cuz they just had to ride in t shirts. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrislo@cfw.com (chris loewl) Date: 8/15/97, 8:34:40 PM Subject: helmets from huge flying bugs to guitars strapped to my back when i kissed asphalt to wheelies gone awry, my helmet always saved me from harm. moms know: you can put your eye out with a moped youre not careful. (i have seen one crash tho, where a helmet was useless: an ubruptley deceased acquaintance hit a tree so hard his face was more or less flush with his viser. ask me if he was sober when it happened) on the other hand i never wear a helmet riding my bicycle (unless im dodging trees in the woods). here i'm stubborn: i feel i can ride well enough, hear and see whats going on around me i (deserve to crash if i'm sleeping). of course, traffic is okay where i live. the only objects to avoid are beer cans hurled by rednecks from pickup trucks (sure they could have bottles) when this happens i'm mad but also proud to be different than the good old boys with a stagnant gene pool -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/15/97, 8:35:21 PM Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Re: Helmets | Onderwerp: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Helmets | Datum: vrijdag 15 augustus 1997 18:02 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: AaronM428@aol.com () | Date: 8/15/97, 12:03:56 PM | Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Helmets | | In a message dated 97-08-14 23:56:51 EDT, you write: | | >it is nice and warm in the winter | | Problem here is that it is VERY warm in the summer, having the helmit on is | like being in a greenhouse. | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Still better that i a rest house, or a mortuary.... dumm tip: drill some holes in it for the ventilation.. Peter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) Date: 8/15/97, 9:30:49 PM Subject: Re: Mopeds, Newsgroups and Miscelaneous rambling | Onderwerp: Fw: Mopeds, Newsgroups and Miscelaneous rambling | Datum: vrijdag 15 augustus 1997 18:02 | | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- | From: lanaya@notes.cc.bellcore.com () | Date: 8/15/97, 9:45:39 AM | Subject: Mopeds, Newsgroups and Miscelaneous rambling | | | | Hi: | | 1. I do really appreciate the fact that there is a forum to talk about | mopeds. Although | a newsgroup is a neat idea, another alternative would be to have a listserv | that | supports digest mode. | | 2. What's the average age in this group? It seems to me that I'm pretty | old (30 yrs), compared | with the rest of the people in the group. So, the question is, if you are | older than 25, | is riding a moped wimpy? :) | | 3. Laws regarding mopeds do vary a lo. When John Anger suggested me to go | to the DMV in | New Jersey, I did not know that you needed a different license to be able | to ride | a motorcycle while for a moped, you can get by with a regular driver's | license or | a moped license can get you by. | | In Puerto Rico, a motorcycle license it would be the equivalent of a moped | license in the | USA, you can ride a moped or motorcycle with the same license, and if you | have | a driver's license, you do not need a different license to ride a | motorcycle. But, In theory, | you are not supposed to ride a motorcycle in a highway without a permit, | and the | motorcycle must be big and heavy. This is because Highway 52 that crosses | the island North-South crosses the Central Mountain Range, and it is | subject to cross winds. Most of the 50cc | mopeds ("Motocletas" in Puertorican slang) in the island are Honda Spree's | scooters. | | Any other weird laws regarding mopeds that you can share? | | That's all for now, | | Luis Anaya | | Still saving for a Tomos Targa | | | | | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Hello Luis, What is a listserv that supports digest mode ?. I'm 34 , and here are a lot of 65+ guys who drive mopeds, are they all wimpy ? I (and they ) don't think so, (ok, there maybe a (big) difference between what you think and what you are) but driving a moped is tough here in the crowded traffic, and that kinda dangerous that the real wimps don't dare anyway... exept for the stupid wimps, but the natural order corrects this in time.. (what is nature a beatyfull thing). Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be () Date: 8/15/97, 9:35:12 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Jawa 130 question > From: AaronM428@aol.com () > Date: 8/13/97, 7:43:07 PM >Subject: Re: Fw: Jawa 130 question > >In a message dated 97-08-13 18:48:16 EDT, you write: > >>Does anyone know which position is open on the fuel valve? >>{snip] >> >> >I don't know about Jawas, but I believe that all fuel valves that work >properly have only 180 degrees of possible rotation. Up=reserve > Horizontal=off Down=on (at least normally). [snip] Not quite. The valve on my 1996 Peugeot 103 moves through 180 degrees, from the handle pointing toward the cylinder (the "on" position), to the ground (the "off" position), to the pedal {the "reserve tank" position). Phil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo) Date: 8/15/97, 9:43:15 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Is Riding a Moped Wimpy? At 06:11 PM 8/14/97 -0500, you wrote: >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be () > Date: 8/14/97, 11:55:25 PM >Subject: Is Riding a Moped Wimpy? > >No, of course not. I ride a 1996 Peugeot 103. Severa of my USMC (= United >States Marine Corps) buddies have Harleys, and were, indeed, aghast at the >idea that I would buy a moped. I fought back by naming my green Peugeot >"Piglet" from the Winnie-the-Pooh stories; I figured that if Harleys were >called "hogs," then "Piglet" was appropriate for my Peugeot! My buddies roared! > >I ride my moped for me, not for anyone else -- including my buddies. I love >the sensation, as I sputter along the backroads here in Belgium, of hearing >and feeling every part of my moped functioning as it brings me to my >destination. I get a true appreciation of what an internal combustion >engine is all about, and there's an odd sensation of pleasure in the magneto >generating enough current for my head- and tail-lights. Of course all this >exists in my truck, but there I am insulated from the process of propulsion >and generation (I just stomp on the gas pedal and the truck moves.); with >the moped I'm a part of it. > >Everyone who rides a moped chooses to do so for a different reason: For the >youngest among us, it may be the only motor vehicle to which they have >access; for others it is a matter of cost and fuel economy and lack of >licensing and insurance requirements, for others still it's the pleasure of >the "minimalist" sputtering through the countryside. The attraction for me >is a combination of the minimalist and the economist, but that's really >irrelevant: What's important is that I ride a moped because I like to. > >Now, are there those who will sneer? Of course! It's the same kind of >person who, on his Cannondale bicyle, sneers at the fellow riding a Huffy. >By the way: That Cannondale rider is being sneered at by the rider of the >supercharged Tomos, who is being sneered at by the rider of the big >Kawasaki, who is beeing sneered at by the driver of the Hyundai, who is >being sneered at by the Cadillac driver, who....well, you get the idea! > >Ride what you want because you want to. Let others do the same. If you >want to think that, somehow, you are superior to me because you drive >something that is more expensive -- well, I hope that gives you some >pleasure! I get my pleasure from enjoying what I chose to have, not by >trying to make myself seem superior to others by virtue of my posessions! > >Phil >Philip.Kuhl@ping.be > > Dear Phillip, What a great explanation of what mopeding is all about. One thing I would like to add, as I discussed earlier here, is I've never come a cross a vehicle which evokes such emotional response from others. A large percentage of it negative. But I thoroughly enjoy my morning commute to work and enjoy tinkering with the two-stroke engine. Unlike my car my moped needs me. Happy Trails, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman) Date: 8/15/97, 10:01:54 PM Subject: Re: Fw: vespa centerstand problem Hello John, At 15:16 14-08-97 -0500, you wrote: >My Vespa Grande developed new behavior with the centerstand. No longer Well, that certainly isn't new behaviour to me.. If you're lucky, you'll just have to renew the pin (bolt?) on which the stand pivots. Getting the springs into place is a real bitch though, we fight for another job down here :-) In Italy, there's aftermarket replacement of centre stands (Buzetti) which cost half the stock ones do. Ask Andover, maybe they've got it.. Or else Andover has to ask me, won't they? >stand seems close to the ground when in the up position. Yet the brace >to which the stand mounts seems unbent and in place. The legs seem >unbent, and the center bolt which mounts the stand to the frame seems Sometimes there's so much free play between bolt and frame, that we have to weld rings onto the bracket to get it all straight again. We always fit a new stand in these cases, the Buzetti ones come in a complete set with springs, bolt and stand... Look at the bolt, it must be straight (like you said it was) and it must be the same diameter all over. The holes in the stand get worn too; together with bolt, bracket and stand this gives enough free play for your problem. You could (if there's no replacement) weld rings onto frame, center stand and use a new bolt.... Cheers, Hans Hartman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fltlevl420@aol.com () Date: 8/16/97, 1:34:48 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Help a new guy There's a nice place in Fullerton called Myron's Mopeds, they have a big selection and Im sure they fix them too. look them up in 411. ed 1977 Puch Maxi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/16/97, 9:49:15 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: RE: Fw: vespa centerstand problem In a message dated 97-08-15 21:06:26 EDT, you write: >.I thought it could be a weak spring >because the stand seems to go to far forward when in the down position. >But I can't seem to push it up, when it appears in its low "up" >position, as though the stand=up position is still travelling to its >original capacity. Is it possible that the entire stand assembly, while not visibly worn, has rotated slightly forward? This would cause the stand to appear "low" when in the up position, and also to move too far forward when down. If this is a stupid suggestion, let me know, it just kind of hit me from out of nowhere. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/16/97, 10:10:02 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Gas costs, non-metrics, names.. In a message dated 97-08-15 23:40:19 EDT, you write: > @ how much litres are in a gallon ? 3.785411784 to an American Gallon 4.546092 to an Imperial Gallon > @ and how many kilometers go in an American Mile, or in an English mile > (please as exact as possible)? 1.609344 to a mile (5280 ft) (US mile) > @ how are mopeds called in the connected (native) languages? In America the only way I've heard them reffered to is as mopeds. I frequently refer to mine as "the 'ped", but most people call them mopeds. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/16/97, 10:16:55 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Mopeds, Newsgroups and Miscelaneous rambling In a message dated 97-08-16 06:52:55 EDT, you write: >He suggests idea of digest - in that setup instead >of every message being forwarded to readers, they would >get stored in one file and then all messages for a day >are send as one mail. Please do not do this, Because of my computer I have to run AOL ver 2.5 instead of 3.0, and although single E-mail messages are quick to load, large messages take forever. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PHATone74@aol.com () Date: 8/16/97, 11:13:04 AM Subject: Is it worth it? (HELP!!) I just got the estimate to have my Garelli Supersport XL fixed. It needs alot of work. Please read the estimate and tell me if I should just get a new ped. The total cost is a whopping $234.26 !! ESTIMATE: IClean and rebuild carburator with new jet, internal fuel filter, and gaskets. Body of Ithe carburator will be acid bathed. $49.95 I ISupply a new clear fuel line and in line fuel filter $4.95 I ISet point gap and ignition timeing. $18.00 H.P. sparkplug $2.89 I IHone and recondition cylinder (scraped and scored) $22.50 I INew piston kit with rings, wrist pin and sir clips $72.95 I IHead, base and exhaust gaskets total $14.00 I ILabor on piston removal and installation $25.00 I II recomend a new air filter element (you should have it its the screen that was in the Iair box) $9.95 IThis way the motor will be getting clean fuel, clean air have a rebuilt top end and Ishould last a long time. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/16/97, 12:16:22 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Unsubcribe moped. In a message dated 97-08-16 10:40:30 EDT, you write: >Maybe we're at a point where we need a newsgroup. However, I have >enjoyed the way it's been moderated by you, Andrew, so I'd opt for a >moderated newsgroup if he was so inclined and the need for a newsgroup >arose. Any thoughts on alt.moped? What's a newsgroup? Please don't do it if one needs a web browser for it. AOL's browser is perpetually clogged. AOL calls it a "temporary problem caused by web traffic" this temporary problem has been going on continuously since the move to unlimited access. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/16/97, 12:20:44 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: damn kids... In a message dated 97-08-16 10:42:53 EDT, you write: > >>My CR is about 35 times faster though! > >Wow!! So it can do like... 1300 miles per hour?? Geesh. That's a little low, 35x faster than my Tomos is 1,505 mph. (43mph x 35 = 1,505mph) ;-> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rmh@snip.net (Richard Hillegas) Date: 8/16/97, 4:14:28 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: I have a Few Questions Moped mailing list wrote: > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal) > Date: 8/14/97, 11:21:19 AM > Subject: Re: I have a Few Questions > > | Onderwerp: Fw: I have a Few Questions > | Datum: donderdag 14 augustus 1997 4:00 > | > | --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > | From: rmh@snip.net (Mike Hillegas) > | Date: 8/13/97, 9:56:38 PM > | Subject: I have a Few Questions > | > | Hello! Hi My name is Mike. I have a 1995 Tomos Targa LX with a > Biturbo > | Muffler. It has over 13,000 miles on it. My engine is about 30% down > on > | compression and needs to be rebuilt. Since I'm rebuilding it I'm > getting > | a 70cc kit with a different pistion, carb., and manifold spacer. The > > | stock moped is 50cc. My question is does the lower cylinder come > off? > | Does that need to be replaced since the engine is so worn, or will > | slightly bigger rings do the job. I need any info on this stuff that > I > | can get. Thanks alot! > | > | Mike Hillegas E-Mail - rmh@snip.net > | > | > | > | --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ > > Hi Mike, > Lower cylinder ?? what do you mean by that but, if you have a complete > 70cc > kit it includes a New , cilinder, piston,piston pin and blocking > springs, > rings, head,manifold,carb, and gaskets. The difference between 50 and > 70 > cc cilinder can't be bridged by a few rings , but you'll see when you > have > demontaged the old set and compare it with the new, i hope you do > realize > that with the new set it will be hard to drive the next 13.000 miles > without extra (much more) wear and tear from the crackshaft, and > chain/chainwheel set and even the frame....... > > Montage, unscrew the head bolds, and sparkplug, carb~ and exhaust > nuts/(bolds) , take away the exhaust/ carb, head, cylinder, remove the > (or > one) piston pin blocking springs, remove the pistonpin. > and foot gasket.. > Clean every thing carefuly, montage pistonrings on piston, > piston/pin/spring on rod > ,gasket,cylinder,gasket,cylinderhead,gaskets,manifold,carb and > exhaust,sparkplug and done > Bye, Peter Staal > > from: staal@concepts.nl > peter_tomos@geocities.com > Homepages: > http://home.concepts.nl/~staal > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ Thanks for answering! Does this mean that if I install the 70cc kit it's got everything I need or it's as same as rebuilding the engine. I'm just wondering cause like I said before, I've got over 13,000 miles and my engine needs to be rebuilt. Thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rmh@snip.net (Richard Hillegas) Date: 8/16/97, 4:16:16 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Porting-job for speed. Moped mailing list wrote: > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman) > Date: 8/14/97, 4:50:53 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Porting-job for speed. > > > Thanks. I don't intend to open up the exaust port too much, maybe > 2mm > > all > > around if at all. As soon as I get my shop manual from Tomos (they > > had to > > ship UPS) I am going to try polishing the ports and maybe that will > > give the > > extra torque I want, if not, porting becomes a real possibility. > > 2mm should give you a very good idea of what is to be gained by > opening > it more. The difference between the '96 I have and a stock one is > absolutely amazing. I can't wait to try the 70cc kit on it. > > Leon. > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ Hello, My name is mike, I'm wondering how much of a difference that 2mm offers? Is it worth it? Please let me know what it does porformance wize. Thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rmh@snip.net (Richard Hillegas) Date: 8/16/97, 4:18:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Porting-job for speed. Moped mailing list wrote: > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ---------------------------------------------- > From: AaronM428@aol.com () > Date: 8/14/97, 11:10:20 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: Porting-job for speed. > > In a message dated 97-08-14 05:51:50 EDT, you write: > >It's a reed valve inlet, opening the exhaust port will let it breath > as it > >was intended to and will increase the RPMs at which it operates. > Mine runs > >fine at about 8000 RPM, not the 10 to 11 thousand mentioned in the > earlier > >post, but it does put out better than 4 hp. > > Thanks. I don't intend to open up the exaust port too much, maybe 2mm > all > around if at all. As soon as I get my shop manual from Tomos (they > had to > ship UPS) I am going to try polishing the ports and maybe that will > give the > extra torque I want, if not, porting becomes a real possibility. > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE > ------------------------------------------------ Hi, my name is mike. Please let me know where your getting your Tomos shop manuel. I'm gona be doing some work to mine soon and would like all the specs. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ASprayberr@aol.com () Date: 8/16/97, 6:29:54 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Help a new guy What do you need done to it? Mabey we can talk you though it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ASprayberr@aol.com () Date: 8/16/97, 6:30:52 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Unsubcribe moped. a newsgroup sounds good to me! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be () Date: 8/17/97, 12:02:16 AM Subject: Re: Helmets In Belgium, helmets are not required for the Class A mopeds (those whose tops speed --in theory only-- cannot exceed 25 km/h), but helmets ARE required for Class B mopeds (whose tops speeds, equally theoretically, do not exceed 40 km/h). Not just any helmet can be used; the helmets must bear an indication that they meet appropriate European safety standards. When I bought my Peugeot last year I did grumble at the idea of having to wear a helmet, but now that I've had a year and a half of wearing it, I like it! I'm sorry to say that I like it not for the safety aspect, but because it keeps my head warm in the winter and, during the summer, is a better place to summer insects to hit than is my head! At first, like Aaron, I feared that the helmet would be too hot in the summer -- particularly since my helmet is black. But this has turned out not to be the case at all as there is enough wind when riding to keep quite comfortable. This has proven so even during the past ten days when we've been having a blistering heat wave of almost 90-degree-Fahrenheit days. (You have to put that into perspective, too -- in this part of Belgium we are acclimated to 70 degrees Fahrenheit being almost unbearably hot!) As for helmet laws: In general, and this is my personal opinion only, I take a dim view of laws that try to legislate common sense or matters that affect me and not society as a whole. If I want to be silly enough to ride without a helmet on roads with a lot of traffic, that should be my business because that lack of helmet will hurt no one but me in case I have an accident. By the same token, however, I support laws such as requiring a periodic motor vehicle safety inspection -- someone who is silly enough to drive his car with defective brakes could clearly affect innocent me if they fail and he plows into me on my moped! In a nutshell, I agree with the thrust of John's comments that it is a good IDEA to wear a helmet, but sympathize strongly with Leon that there should not be a LAW requiring helmet use. Leon, your points deserve some commentary too, IMHO. So that my perspective is clear to all, you should know that when I am living in the States (I am currently on a three-year military assignment in Belgium.), I am a part-time police officer for a police department just to the north of Leon in Fairfax County, Virginia. Leon, the reason you don't have to wear a helmet on your moped in traffic, but do have to wear one on your motorcycle with no traffic is that this is what Virginia law requires of you. (My guess from accidents I have responded to is that there is a higher rate of non-traffic-related motorcycle head injuries than there is moped head injuries, but that's just a guess.) As to why you would be considered a law breaker if your 17 year old son does not wear a helmet -- well, I would think it HIGHLY unlikely that you would be prosecuted for something like that, but if you were, it would surely be on the grounds that you, as a parent, are responsible for the actions of your minor-age children. (This is the same principle of, say, a parent being held liable for the damages caused by his 15 year old who decides to smash windows of a dozen parked cars in a neighborhood.) And as concerns teaching your five year old daughter about the relative dangers of bicycles, mopeds, and motorcycles -- the helmet issue is irrelevant. Surely you have taught her that, as a pedestrian, she is to look both ways for traffic before she walks out into the street. And you likely taught her to do exactly the same thing on her bicycle, and will so teach her when she is old enough for a moped, a motorcycle, and an automobile. Those dangers are all different depending upon the conveyance involved. Teaching someone about dangers, and dangers specific to specific conveyances, are not dependant upon the safety features employed with each conveyance. All this is a lengthy way of saying that, as members of society, we have a responsibility to obey the laws of that society even if we disagree with them. If we disagree with a given law, we should work to change the law -- this is done very frequently in the States (repealing the 55 mph speed limit, repealing Prohibition, changing the drinking age, changing the voting age, etc.) OK OK. I'll get off my soap box now! Thanks for bearing with me, all! :-) Phil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be () Date: 8/17/97, 12:02:20 AM Subject: A Moped in Cleveland > From: NCIDE@aol.com () > Date: 8/14/97, 10:25:10 PM >Subject: Fwd: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? > >Tom, I am 14 years old and in ohio it is legal to ride a moped at this age >and I am eagerly serching for a moped that runs and is under $250. If you >have any iformation about buying a moped or where to get one prferably in the >cleveland area I would greatly appreciate it. thanks, jason Jason, for that price you will be looking at a used moped. Your best bet to find one locally will be to check the classified ads in the Cleveland "Plain Dealer" as well as some of the local dealers. For that, you need to look in the Yellow Pages (under "Mopeds," "Scooters," and "Motorcycles"). If you find nothing at first, keep looking and maybe consider putting an ad in the "Plain Dealer" yourself. Once you start finding possible candidates, be sure the mopeds really do run -- and remember that, unless you are a mechanic yourself, you will periodically have to have your moped serviced, so check with local service shops (and maybe even this list) about what brands can be fixed easily in Cleveland and whether replacement pasrts are easy/hard to get for the moped you are thinking of buying. Good luck! Phil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dmurphy@thenuthouse.com (Daniel Murphy) Date: 8/17/97, 1:38:25 PM Subject: Wanted: Batavus Parts (do they exist?) My son recently adopted an old Batavus. Not sure which model it is, but it's the 25mph version. He spent the better part of a day knocking the dirt, dust and rust off of it, then got it running. It ran pretty well once he got it rolling, but did appear to have problems breathing. He took the carb off and discovered the cause of the respiratory ills....the poor thing was missing 2 of the 4 reeds off the reed valve...now we're learning that Batavus parts are somewhat rare. We tried our local "MOPEDDLER" and he was unable to locate the part. If anyone could point us in the right direction, we would appreciate it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) Date: 8/17/97, 6:07:14 PM Subject: Re: Fw: 1977 Puch Maxi >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------- > From: Fltlevl420@aol.com () > Date: 8/13/97, 2:45:49 PM >Subject: 1977 Puch Maxi > >Does anyone know where I could get an owners manual or any information on how >to maintain my 1977 Puch Maxi? > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ Andover cycles...andover@aol.com I have already ordered a manual from them. It is a really good one and worth the money. Also, you can get parts from Steve's mopeds. mopedmoped@aol.com They are really good, too. Jeff Coplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) Date: 8/17/97, 6:12:02 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Is riding a moped wimpy? >Someone has got to dig up that article in Rider from the 70's which >extolled the virtues of touring on a vespa scooter at a slow pace. Do >you think we are getting a large enough group here to get a rally going >by next summer? If the scooters do it, why not the peds? > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------ RALLY RALLY RALLY Let's do it. Let's have it in the center of the country so it's equal distance for everyone. I guess I'll volunteer my town in South Dakota. Why not. We have the motorcycle rally in Sturgis, let's have the moped rally here in Brookings. What do you think? Jeff Coplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan) Date: 8/17/97, 6:27:37 PM Subject: MOPED ACCIDENT! Just wanted to let everyone know I'm still alive after a pretty huge moped accident Saturday night. I was cruising down the highway through town which is under construction right now (one lane) and caught some loose gravel/concrete powder and lost control of the 'ped. I was going about 28-30 mph. I somehow slipped off the seat and lost control and was dragging by my shoes and I believe probably hanging on the handlebars and most likely pulling the throttle wide open during the whole thing. Of course with the weight displaced, it totally took off and just flew. Then I finally lost it and fell off the 'ped and it took off even faster without any weight on it and rode up on the two other guys that were riding in front of me. Then it slowed down, curved right and hit the curb when it proceeded to loop around twice and ride the pedal down. It totally bent the pedal in so that won't even turn all the way around now and for some reason the 'ped won't run anymore. It was running right after the accident and started once after the accident and them about 3 minutes later, it quit running. Then I started it and when it idled down it quit. Now it won't start at all. This sounds exactly like the carb problems I was having before. Does anyone know what kind of problems could come from an impact on the concrete? For you Puch people, it landed on the right side if that matters. Also, does anyone have any experience with bending pedals back? That is really heavy metal to bend. I was pretty freaked out right after it happened. Now I have to get back to working on the damn thing again. Still alive, Jeff Coplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/18/97, 12:00:16 PM Subject: Fw: Vespa's charging system ------ From: John Agner Thanks for the help solving my centerstand problem. Now for my bigger mechanical problem. When I first test drove my ped, the signals worked fine, as did the brake light and tail light. However, the horn and headlight did not work. As I used it a bit, over the next month, the lights no longer worked at all. Then it sat over the winter (although I did take it out for a spin every few weeks to turn it over a bit). In the spring, I could not get the lights or turn signals to work at all, so I figured it was a battery and bought a new one. The signals worked one day after putting it on my 6 v. charger, but then they ceased. I have some manuals (vespa, haynes) and some ped books (which I photocopied from the library). They have all sorts of ways to trouble shoot but I can't follow them (partially because I'm very illiterate when it comes to electricals, and partially because I don't see some of the things they discuss). I did put a volt meter on the battery today, and it read somewhere between 2.5 and 3 volts, with the bike shut off, right after I had ridden it for about 20 minutes. I assume my magneto is o.k., or I wouldn't be able to get enough spark to ride at 30 m.p.h. Correct? So does that make the rectifier the suspect? I would appreciate someone giving me a "plain english" list of how I might troubleshoot this problem. Although I've used the ped for over 1 year without lights, I'd love to be able to ride at night. Any help would be appreciated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/18/97, 12:00:42 PM Subject: Fw: Broken vespa centerstand fixed ------ From: John Agner Thanks to peter staal and paltron (sorry, don't have another name) for the feedback on the centerstand. I took it apart, saw the extreme forward travel, and considered peter's idea of putting another piece on the mounting block to keep the stand from swinging so far forward. The stand looked symmetrical; further examination showed one leg more flaired out than the other. I also couldn't understand why the legs swept down towards the ground, when in the up position. What engineer in his right mind would design a stand like that. We'll I figured out that the stand isn't suppose to flair down. It was bent, albeit evenly on each side. I took my trusty sledge hammer, and placed the stand on a block of wood on my wood pile. (Which shows the importance of having a good wood pile in your yard even in the summer months.) The bike now stands solidly on its centerstand. Now on to my next project, which may be a bit more difficult. I'll post that question separately. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/18/97, 12:03:02 PM Subject: Fw: Moped/scooter information ---- reply to TPeluso97@aol.com ----- I would appreciate your help and recommendation. I'm looking for either an electric motor to add to a bike, or a moped or scooter to commute with for myself and two children. I need some sort of "side car" to put one or both of them into. They are too large for most of the carriers that can be added to a bike as they are 6 and 8 years old. My commute is around 30-40 miles a day and I need a carrying capacity of somewhere around 350-400. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area - do you have any recommendations or suggestions where I should look to find out more information? Thanks! Tandra Ericson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com () Date: 8/18/97, 1:08:02 PM Subject: TWO WORLD RECORDS? http://www.cdlc.com/record/ Hi, This caught my eye so I read the posting. Apparently a guy from Hawaii is going to come to the "Mainland" to try to break a couple of world records as soon as he collects or saves enough money. He's looking for donations totalling $9834 to try for the most miles in a day and the most miles in one trip on a moped. 3320 miles in 15 days. He's established a budget which includes $2534 for a Honda Elite 50 and trailer plus another $7300 for expenses on the road. Seems like he's got his work cut out for himself 'cause I seem to recall someone else on a moped covering 1015 miles in a day (42 mile per hour average!) Can a Honda Elite 50 beat that? Seems optomistic for a moped with a trailer and supplies in tow. Anyone else read this? Regards, Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/21/97, 2:04:32 PM Subject: Re: moped books ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:04:32 -0700 (PDT) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: Re: moped books -snip- > Is the puch book about the egg shaped tanks mopeds, or about the > maxi-types. > In the first case i am interrested, but i don,t know what the shipping > costs would be for a trans atlantic travel for a book. it somehow could be > sheaper and as interesting if you buy it, scan it and email it.... > Peter The manual covers the Rigid, Maxi, Maxi S and Newport models. -Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/21/97, 2:13:12 PM Subject: Moped List Quirk ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:13:12 -0500 To: "Mailing List" Subject: Moped List Quirk Hi! I just noticed that new program I am using doesn't put name in 'From:' address. Maybe it's not such a big deal, but you might want to sign your letters, so those who reply will know how to address you. Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/21/97, 2:20:56 PM Subject: Re: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:20:56 -0600 To: Subject: Re: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free >************************************************* >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:33:49 -0400 >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: paltron@interlog.com >Subject: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free > > >We have relented and cancelled the fee for the posting of classifieds on >the Mag. You just pay us a small percentage if you sell successfully. >Can't beat that! >Keep them coming, with photos please. What is the Moped Magazine? Who sent this post? Who are you paltron? Jeff Coplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/21/97, 2:20:56 PM Subject: Re: Moped ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:19:35 -0400 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Moped Moped Mailing List wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 9:11:33 +0000 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: ro@ndc.se > Subject: Moped > > Hi Andrei! > > I´m not sure if this is going to work, but I´ll give it a try. > > I have a Cresent moped from 64 (scooter style). It is equipped with a > Husqvarna 2-shifted, 50 cc engine. Now to my problem; > > After a while (approx 20 miles), the engine starts to slow down and loose > power. I think this is due to heetingproblem (since the engine is built in). > Do you know of anybody who has experienced heet related problems with theese > kind of mopeds from the 60´s, an have a solution to offer? > > Best regards > > Robert Olsson, Sweden. > > ro@ndc.se Robert, I'd like a picture of your bike to post it into Moped Magazine's Gallery of Antiques. http://www.interlog.com/~paltron/moped -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/21/97, 3:27:57 PM Subject: Re: jeff's crash ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:27:57 -0400 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: djb@harvard.edu Subject: Re: jeff's crash [...] >hammering it straight in a vice does work too. but >it'll never look the same again. Wanna hear something funny? I once owned a Peugeot moped that someone had taken to some shop in California to get all fancied up. ( Anyhow, a friend tried some poorly thought-out horizontal manuever that got him a big patch of road-rash and a spiffy exhaust burn. It also bent a peddle. I sighed and said the same thing; "I'll pound it back, but it'll never look the same". I took the peddle off and stuck it in a vice. I borrowed a hammer that I figured was way too big for the job, and in frustration hauled off and wonked the peddle really hard. I thought that I was going to shear the thing right off (I was irritated), but instead managed to bend the thing back into *perfect* alignment. The bearing even worked better than it had before the accident! So, ya never know. Sometimes you've just got to get a too-big hammer and wonk away. Sometimes not. I've got an electrical problem with my Jawa 130 right now, and I'm about ready to get out the sledge... ;p [ d*b ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Libertybell7@earthlink.net () Date: 8/21/97, 5:37:53 PM Subject: Service Manuals ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:37:24 -0400 To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: Service Manuals Hi Andrew, Do you think it would be of any value to create a service manual library on your web site? I really don't know what would be involved in doing this so please excuse me if I'm talking through my hat. :-) Maybe it would take up too much space... Oh yeah, I just picked up a solex s3800 for $65.00. The motor is in pretty good shape and it needs new tires,inner tubes and a flywheel which I stupidly broke already. Do you know of any sources of solex parts? I can get the tires no problem from Steve's Mopeds but the other items are difficult to find. This bikes gonna be a babe magnet! :-) I just know it! Best wishes.. Mike Burch -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jcoplanj@brookings.net () Date: 8/21/97, 5:37:53 PM Subject: puch headlight/horn switch ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:39:30 -0600 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: jcoplanj@brookings.net Subject: puch headlight/horn switch I talked to someone today that will rewire my entire moped. I'm trying to get a headlight/horn switch to replace the crummy one I have now. Is there anyone with a parts Puch Maxi (near '77) that would want to bum me a switch? Thanks Jeff Coplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dmurphy@thenuthouse.com () Date: 8/21/97, 5:44:31 PM Subject: Re: Need info on Batavus ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:42:39 -0400 To: Subject: Re: Need info on Batavus My son also recently purchased an old Batavus. He's got no extra parts, but we do have an owner's manual. If you're interested, we'll scan some of the stuff and e-mail it. there are also a couple of guys out here that have parts available paltron@interlog.com has some. have fun, dmurphy ---------- > From: Andrei Zaitsev > Date: Wednesday, August 20, 1997 7:12 PM > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 07:43:13 -0500 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: ronda@bii.cc.ks.us > Subject: Need info on Batavus > > > My 13 year old son just bought a 1978 Batavus Regency and it's needing a > few parts. Need kick stand, tuneup kit, fuel shutoff valve, and would > like to find info/specs/tech info and owners guide, so we can figure out > all the switches and stuff. > > Any leads for us here in Kansas? > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@inlink.com () Date: 8/21/97, 5:44:31 PM Subject: Re: Service Manuals ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:44:31 -0500 To: "Mailing List" Subject: Re: Service Manuals > Do you think it would be of any value to create a service manual library > on your web site? This is a good idea. If done properly, it wouldn't take that much space. However, to do it right, manual would have to be scanned thru OCR - that way rather than having one big image of each page, we'd have regular web page with text and images. Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Libertybell7@earthlink.net () Date: 8/21/97, 6:14:01 PM Subject: Re: Moped List Quirk Moped Mailing List wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:13:12 -0500 > To: "Mailing List" > Subject: Moped List Quirk > > Hi! > > I just noticed that new program I am using doesn't put name in 'From:' > > address. Maybe it's not such a big deal, but you might want to sign > your > letters, > so those who reply will know how to address you. > > Andrew Hi Andrew, nice job in getting things ironed out with the software problem. Looks like it's working nicely now.. Keep up the great effort, we all appreciate it alot.. Best wishes. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Libertybell7@earthlink.net () Date: 8/21/97, 7:18:32 PM Subject: Re: Piston problems Moped Mailing List wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:28:12 -0400 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: paltron@interlog.com > Subject: Re: Piston problems > > Moped Mailing List wrote: > > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:18:42 -0400 (EDT) > > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > > From: RJB022778@aol.com > > Subject: Piston problems > > > > I have a motobecane moped. the problem is i cant seem to get the > piston head > > to swivle back and forth so that it can travel freely through the > engine. > > please help. > > Rob > Chances are your cylinder wall is cracked or your piston is out of > shape. Probably seized before. Need to replace the whole kit and > kaboodle (cyl+piston+rings). I agree, if the head is not cracked (hopefully!) you may need to have the head bored oversized and a new piston installed. I had one done on a sach's engine and it cost $100.00 total. But before doing anything drastic.... Check your oil/fuel ratio to make sure that it is accurate. Something caused this to happen. This is immensely important, not to much oil and not to little. Then try to work the piston back and forth with a generous dose of motor oil as you may be lucky and work it to freedom. If you have to hammer the piston down in the cylinder thru the spark plug hole use a wood dowel or some other soft object that won't score the piston or do more damage. You really don't have much to loose at this point and maybe there will be some divine intervention. You can never tell. Its happened to me on occasion but just not frequently enough. Let us know how it turns out. Good Luck Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paltron@interlog.com () Date: 8/21/97, 7:18:32 PM Subject: Re: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:18:32 -0400 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free Moped Mailing List wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:20:56 -0600 > To: > Subject: Re: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free > > >************************************************* > >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:33:49 -0400 > >To: daugava@nothnbut.net > >From: paltron@interlog.com > >Subject: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free > > > > > >We have relented and cancelled the fee for the posting of classifieds on > >the Mag. You just pay us a small percentage if you sell successfully. > >Can't beat that! > >Keep them coming, with photos please. > > What is the Moped Magazine? Who sent this post? Who are you paltron? > > Jeff Coplan MopMag is published by Paltron International on-line only in Toronto, Canada. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paltron@interlog.com () Date: 8/21/97, 7:33:04 PM Subject: Re: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:33:04 -0400 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free Moped Mailing List wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:19:42 +0200 > To: > Subject: Re: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free > > ---------- > | Van: Andrei Zaitsev > | Datum: donderdag 21 augustus 1997 20:28 > | > | ************************************************* > | Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:33:49 -0400 > | To: daugava@nothnbut.net > | From: paltron@interlog.com > | Subject: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free > | > | > | We have relented and cancelled the fee for the posting of classifieds on > | the Mag. You just pay us a small percentage if you sell successfully. > | Can't beat that! > | Keep them coming, with photos please. > | > | > "Can't beat that!" ??? what do you think? does the term for free say any > thing to you ;-) > Peter. The same it should say to you. Free is free (to place the ad that is). But we have on-line costs to cover and to ask for a tiny percentage shouldn't be that much. Buy&Sell type papermags do the same. How about 2%?If you sell a moped for $200 that is 4 bucks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fltlevl420@aol.com () Date: 8/21/97, 7:47:20 PM Subject: Re: moped books ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:47:20 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Fltlevl420@aol.com Subject: Re: moped books im interested in the puch 1977 manual, please send info thanks, ed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/21/97, 10:22:10 PM Subject: Re: Moped List - still struggling ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:15:02 +0200 To: Subject: Re: Moped List - still struggling ---------- | Van: Andrei Zaitsev | Datum: donderdag 21 augustus 1997 20:28 | | ************************************************* | Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:30:35 -0700 | To: agner@erols.com | From: agner@erols.com | Subject: Re: Moped List - still struggling | | | Moped mailing list wrote: | > | > Hi! | > | > It's 4AM, night from Tuesday to Wednesday. | > I am still trying to get Moped List to work again. | > It's close to completion - the only thing I am having problem | > with is the 'reply' field. | > | > BTW, when it's done there is a good chance there will no longer be | > long list of other recipients stored in every message. | > So, hopefully when the List emerges from current troubles, it will | > be better than it was before. | > | > Oh yes, there is also a reasonable chance that I will be able to | > hack a digest mode - for those who'd rather receive one email | > containing all messages posted that day. | > | > I am going to sleep now - my head stopped working. | > | > You can access previous postings (including those garbled on | > Monday) at /d/moped/mlist.htm | > Also, since messages posted after that were never distributed, I | > temporarily put them in /d/moped/tuesday.txt | > New messages will be appended to tuesday.txt until Moped List is | > fully functional again. You can reply to daugava@nothnbut.net, as usual. | > | > Andrew | | Thanks for all your hard work. It's really appreciated. This is a | great group, and it wouldn't exist if not for your efforts! | | Likewise, Peter. | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/21/97, 10:22:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: MOPED ACCIDENT! ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:12:55 +0200 To: Subject: Re: Fw: MOPED ACCIDENT! ---------- | Van: Andrei Zaitsev | Datum: donderdag 21 augustus 1997 20:28 | | ************************************************* | Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:21:31 -0700 | To: agner@erols.com | From: agner@erols.com | Subject: Re: Fw: MOPED ACCIDENT! | | | Moped Mailing List wrote: | > | > ************************************************* | > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 97 14:24:38 EDT | > To: daugava@nothnbut.net | > From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com | > Subject: RE: Fw: MOPED ACCIDENT! | > | > Glad you're OK!!! | > | > Marc | Likewise, glad you're o.k. A true two wheel motorist--laid the bike | down without a scratch. John | | Yep, glad hes ok, you better wreak your 'ped than...... | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/21/97, 10:22:10 PM Subject: Re: p.s. helmet ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:07:51 +0200 To: Subject: Re: p.s. helmet ---------- | Van: Andrei Zaitsev | Datum: donderdag 21 augustus 1997 20:28 | | ************************************************* | Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:23:08 -0700 (PDT) | To: Andrei Zaitsev | Subject: Re: p.s. helmet | | | | | On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Moped Mailing List wrote: | | > ************************************************* | > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:26:56 -0400 | > To: chrislo@cfw.com | > From: chrislo@cfw.com | > Subject: p.s. helmet | | -snip-> | > i have to add that many times people who suffer head injuries dont die, | > but remain in different levels of vegetable state. | > from a strictly economic point of view a helmet is cheaper than lifelong | > nursing. i couldn't possibly pay for that, much less my family, nor | > would my (nonexistent) insurance. and if it did, others would in effect | > be billed for my negligence/free spirit.so if you say its "my life and | > i'll live it as i choose" thats fine; better make sure, tho, that what | > you do doesn't burden anyone else down. at least thats how i feel. | > | -snip- | | better cut out the cigarettes, booze, fatty foods, riding in cars without | helmets and every other risky endeavour that might vegetize you at our | expense. | | -Dave | | Hi dave, i don't think you got the message, drink, smoke, drive without helmet, go 50 mph against the direction in a one way street, or better do it all together, but make SURE that if you CRASH, Do IT RIGHT, half work isn't honourated in our society, as you know. As the joker says (in the badman movie) : if you got to go, go with a smile free to that: if you got to go, go with a BANG. or even better LIVE FAST, DIE YOUNG, AND YOU LEAVE A GOOD LOOKING CORPSE | | for all the people who like to grasp to there lives: DON"T TRY THIS AT HOME. (and if you do, wear a helmet (always), for your own sake, you don't wanna please a lawmaker , do you..) Peter. . -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/21/97, 10:22:10 PM Subject: Re: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:19:42 +0200 To: Subject: Re: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free ---------- | Van: Andrei Zaitsev | Datum: donderdag 21 augustus 1997 20:28 | | ************************************************* | Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:33:49 -0400 | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: paltron@interlog.com | Subject: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free | | | We have relented and cancelled the fee for the posting of classifieds on | the Mag. You just pay us a small percentage if you sell successfully. | Can't beat that! | Keep them coming, with photos please. | | "Can't beat that!" ??? what do you think? does the term for free say any thing to you ;-) Peter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/21/97, 10:22:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Gas costs, non-metrics, names.. ************************************************* Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:22:10 +0200 To: Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Gas costs, non-metrics, names.. ---------- | Van: Andrei Zaitsev | Datum: donderdag 21 augustus 1997 20:28 | | ************************************************* | Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:31:57 -0400 (EDT) | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: AaronM428@aol.com | Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Gas costs, non-metrics, names.. | | | In a message dated 97-08-21 01:26:21 EDT, you write: | | >Thanks Aaron, | >That's what i call exact. | | I got them from a program called "Master Converter" You can get it off AOL, | just run a file search for it on. | | I'll try it. Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dgwood@pacifier.com () Date: 8/22/97, 4:04:51 PM Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding ************************************************* Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:04:51 -0700 (PDT) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 jcoplanj@brookings.net wrote: > > For some reason the thing is flooding quite often. It seems to > be flooding when I'm trying to start it. (It will be running for > a while and then if I kill it and try to start it again it will > be flooded.) > > What would cause a 'ped to flood often? It's not me giving it too > much gas. Also, what's a quick (relatively) fix for a flooded engine. > > Thanks > > Jeff Coplan A leaking needle valve or collapsed/misadjusted float can cause a flooding problem. What happens is that a small amount of fuel continually trickles in because the valve isn't completely shut off. When the bike is running you won't notice it because you are using gas at a greater rate than it's leaking past the needle valve. When the bike sits or runs at a low rate excess fuel can leak past the carb and flood the engine. -Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/22/97, 5:06:24 PM Subject: Re: tire question ************************************************* Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:01:42 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: tire question In a message dated 97-08-22 16:48:35 EDT, you write: >My scooter has a 3.50-10 tires. Can someone decode this? I assume the >10 is for ten inches in diameter. Is the 3.50 the width or the profile? >I am thinking about getting a tire that has a larger circumference to >increase the top end of the scoot a little. 10 is the wheel diameter that the tire fits. So a " 10" " tire may have an outside diameter of 12-13". 3.50 is the wheel width. So a 3.50-10 tire fits a wheel that is 3.50" wide and 10" in diameter. Do not try 3.50-11 or 3.50-12 tires as they will not fit your scooter's wheels. You can try comparing tires to see which set has the greatest outside diameter. Also, if you inflate the tires 2-3 lbs over reccomendation you will also increase the speed. Be warned though, changing outside tire diameter will require you to recalibrate the speedometer because it is only accurate if the tires have the same outside diameter as the stock tires. The increase in speed will most likely be only 1-2 mph, it's not really worth it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AaronM428@aol.com () Date: 8/22/97, 5:06:24 PM Subject: Re: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free ************************************************* Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:06:24 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free In a message dated 97-08-22 16:58:00 EDT, you write: > btw do they have >no free local calls in canada like in the us? (here i pay $1.10 an hour to >the Telephone comp.) (and offcourse my provider too) > > I don't know about in Canada, but not in America, there is a flat local rate per month for unlimited usage, much like AOL's. (Except the phone company's idea works). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gokartridr@aol.com () Date: 8/22/97, 5:39:26 PM Subject: Re: Fw: I would like to be in a moped club ************************************************* Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:39:26 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Gokartridr@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: I would like to be in a moped club ok if you do, i will join 1991 Tomos Golden Bullet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: paltron@interlog.com () Date: 8/22/97, 7:12:18 PM Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding ************************************************* Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:12:18 -0400 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding jcoplanj@brookings.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:34:30 -0600 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: jcoplanj@brookings.net > Subject: 77 puch flooding > > I think i have found the problem with my moped. It has obviously > been reoccurring and I don't think it has anything to do with my > accident (directly anyway). > > For some reason the thing is flooding quite often. It seems to > be flooding when I'm trying to start it. (It will be running for > a while and then if I kill it and try to start it again it will > be flooded.) > > What would cause a 'ped to flood often? It's not me giving it too > much gas. Also, what's a quick (relatively) fix for a flooded engine. > > Thanks > > Jeff Coplan The most common cause is the worn needlevalve above the float. Have you checked that? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ANDOVER@aol.com () Date: 8/22/97, 11:04:48 PM Subject: Re: moped books ************************************************* Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:04:48 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: ANDOVER@aol.com Subject: Re: moped books Moped Greetings! The Murry Puch Moped Service Manual is $15 plus s&h. This manual is very well written and designed for your moped. Call us with all of your moped parts needs. Andover Cycles, Limited 303-689-9000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerky181@aol.com () Date: 8/22/97, 11:26:21 PM Subject: Tomos Mopeds ************************************************* Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:26:21 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Jerky181@aol.com Subject: Tomos Mopeds I just have a quick question. What is the top speed of the Tomos Targa and Sprint. Thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl () Date: 8/23/97, 12:45:05 AM Subject: Re: tire question ************************************************* Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:36:47 +0200 To: Subject: Re: tire question ---------- | Van: abburns@ingr.com | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: vrijdag 22 augustus 1997 20:43 | | ************************************************* | Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:43:17 -0500 | To: Moped | Subject: tire question | | | My scooter has a 3.50-10 tires. Can someone decode this? I assume the | 10 is for ten inches in diameter. Is the 3.50 the width or the profile? | I am thinking about getting a tire that has a larger circumference to | increase the top end of the scoot a little. | ------------------------------------------ | Ashley Burns | Intergraph Corporation | 205-730-3842 | | hi Ahsley, 1 st 10" is the diameter and 3.5" is the width of the tire 2nd Whow could be hard to find in these standarised times... Peter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl () Date: 8/23/97, 12:45:05 AM Subject: Re: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free ************************************************* Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:45:05 +0200 To: Subject: Re: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free ---------- | Van: AaronM428@aol.com | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: vrijdag 22 augustus 1997 23:06 | | ************************************************* | Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:06:24 -0400 (EDT) | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: AaronM428@aol.com | Subject: Re: Moped Magazine Classifieds are now free | | | In a message dated 97-08-22 16:58:00 EDT, you write: | | > btw do they have | >no free local calls in canada like in the us? (here i pay $1.10 an hour to | >the Telephone comp.) (and offcourse my provider too) | > | > | | I don't know about in Canada, but not in America, there is a flat local rate | per month for unlimited usage, much like AOL's. (Except the phone company's | idea works). | | Hey aaron, the 1.1$ is in night hours or weekend normally it's twice so much , and above that same as in the states a flat rate from $12 a month is included. and every thing calulated by the second...... I hate the telephone company but i can't without 'em ... Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl () Date: 8/23/97, 12:45:05 AM Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding ************************************************* Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:28:24 +0200 To: Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding ---------- | Van: jcoplanj@brookings.net | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: vrijdag 22 augustus 1997 20:43 | | ************************************************* | Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:34:30 -0600 | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: jcoplanj@brookings.net | Subject: 77 puch flooding | | | I think i have found the problem with my moped. It has obviously | been reoccurring and I don't think it has anything to do with my | accident (directly anyway). | | For some reason the thing is flooding quite often. It seems to | be flooding when I'm trying to start it. (It will be running for | a while and then if I kill it and try to start it again it will | be flooded.) | | What would cause a 'ped to flood often? It's not me giving it too | much gas. Also, what's a quick (relatively) fix for a flooded engine. | | Thanks | | Jeff Coplan | | | Hello Jeff, An easy way to prevent flooding... use your gas tap as extra floater / regulator , so start with gas tap closed, open when running , close before stopping the engine, but this can only be a temp. measure , it 'll drive you grazy. i think you 'll have to check the floating system: remove the (second) jet (the copper bold in your carb) , remove the floater chamber shield, and the floater, put the floater needle in the shield (in the hole where the gas flows trough) (still with a connected tap and gas tube) open the tap and hold the floater needle gently upright in the hole (shield horizontal) No gas has to run passing the floater needle if so check for fitting or dust/dirt or damage at needle or shield venturi , if so replace one or both also check the bottom if the bowl and the hole from the contrapin from the floater needle If no gas runs through, ok put the floater in the bowl and put the shield (with gasket) back in place open the gas tap again now there must be no real flood running trough the open hole (from the jet) a little dripping perhaps only wher you use the tinckler (the button on top of the floater shield) there must be a wave comming out, other wise you can try some one else's floater to test if it is gone (happens so seldom) 95% of al carb / flood rel. problems are DIRT Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: staal@concepts.nl () Date: 8/23/97, 12:45:05 AM Subject: Re: 3 speed Trans. for tomos ************************************************* Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:05:56 +0200 To: Subject: Re: 3 speed Trans. for tomos ---------- | Van: AaronM428@aol.com | Aan: Moped Mailing List | Datum: vrijdag 22 augustus 1997 20:43 | | ************************************************* | Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:06:00 -0400 (EDT) | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: AaronM428@aol.com | Subject: Re: 3 speed Trans. for tomos | | | In a message dated 97-08-21 15:25:48 EDT, you write: | | >Hi Mike, | >In the 60's the made non-automatic 3 gear tomos's , hand / foot shifted... | >Peter. | Hi aaron (?) | How much money, and where? That sounds perfect. The manual transmission | shoud also make the bike faster (even if the top ratios are the same) because | it doesn't use engine power to shift. | | Here in europe $300 and still more ore less common (real die-hards!) but i don't think you asked for that, the puch version from the same 'ped has been sold in Cal. US... in the 60's and 70's VS / MV types, maybe also somewhere else in the states? BTW your autogearing doesn't 'steal' power, but on the otherhand a hand/foot shifted moped can get higher torque / rpms in the lower gears, so effetively run (accelerate) faster than an automatic, if well operated, (with the same cyl. / piston / exhaust / carb combination.) Peter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/24/97, 9:57:17 PM Subject: Re: Tomos Mopeds ************************************************* Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:45:45 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Barman3565@aol.com Subject: Re: Tomos Mopeds 30 mph, that is moped miles per hour, not car miles per hour. What ever that means. (That is what a dealer told me.) You can increase the Targa's speed by about 10mph by adding a different exhaust pipe on it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/24/97, 9:57:17 PM Subject: Re: 3 speed Trans. for tomos ************************************************* Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:30:20 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Gokartridr@aol.com Subject: Re: 3 speed Trans. for tomos could i get more info on the 3 speed trans. for tomos. Will it fit on any style? please send back 1991 tomos golden bullet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/24/97, 9:57:17 PM Subject: Re: Tomos Mopeds ************************************************* Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:13:07 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Tomos Mopeds In a message dated 97-08-23 08:41:29 EDT, you write: >I just have a quick question. What is the top speed of the Tomos Targa and >Sprint. Thanks! > Depends on the exaust pipe, with a biturbo pipe I can coax around 43 mph out of my Targa LX. The stock pipe, though, is so restrictive that top speed is only around 30 mph. The sprint is probably a little faster because it is lighter, and doesn't have turn signals to block wind. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/24/97, 9:57:17 PM Subject: Re: Tomos Mopeds ************************************************* Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:12:21 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Gokartridr@aol.com Subject: Re: Tomos Mopeds the top speed is 40mph -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/24/97, 9:57:17 PM Subject: unsubcribe moped ************************************************* Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 04:07:45 -0700 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: DNICH@worldnet.att.net Subject: unsubcribe moped I liked the mailling list a lot but i have no time to read all of it -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/24/97, 9:57:17 PM Subject: moped question ************************************************* Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:19:22 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Gokartridr@aol.com Subject: moped question when i get to top speed on my moped there is always a loud buzzing sound from the chain hittin the side panel,or that is what it sounds like.how do i fix it if i can and how do i make it go faster 1991 golden bullet tomos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/24/97, 9:57:17 PM Subject: How much does a Tomos Targa Cost? ************************************************* Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:15:14 -0400 (EDT) To: Daugava@nothnbut.net From: Barman3565@aol.com Subject: How much does a Tomos Targa Cost? Can anyone tell me where I can buy a Brand New 1997 Tomos Targa LX for Under $1200.00 ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/24/97, 9:57:17 PM Subject: Re: 3 speed Trans. for tomos ************************************************* Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:07:11 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: 3 speed Trans. for tomos In a message dated 97-08-23 08:25:46 EDT, you write: >Here in europe $300 and still more ore less common (real die-hards!) but i >don't think you asked for that, the puch version from the same 'ped has >been sold in Cal. US... in the 60's and 70's VS / MV types, maybe also >somewhere else in the states? So you mean that the Puch version will fit a Tomos 'ped (A35)? I assume that it is a sequential shifter and the clutch is foot operated. Is that $300 for kit and installation, I assume it is just for the kit. Also is it $300 American? Oh btw, I just got my shop manual from Tomos. It mentions a "colibri (A5)" as having the same drive system as the A35. Apparantly the A35 is a cross between the A3 and the A5 (colibri). Do you know anyhting about the colibri? It was interesting in that it had only one rear shock absorber, centered in the rear swing arm. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/24/97, 9:57:17 PM Subject: Moped ************************************************* Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:33:44 -0600 To: Subject: Moped I own a Di Blasi folding moped. It weighs 68 pounds and I use it for transportation when I take my boat into a harbor. It is great. I have become interested in the moped concept because of this and I am looking for a bigger moped that I can use at home. Please subscribe moped mail list for me. thanks Roger Tolfa -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/24/97, 9:57:17 PM Subject: Outboard 2-stroke oil ************************************************* Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 15:04:58 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Outboard 2-stroke oil I know now that Outboard 2-stroke oil is not correct for mopeds. Unfortunately, I used it during the first 800-900 miles. While certainly not optimal, will this harm the engine? After realizing my folly, I switched to a synthetic blend. Next oil I get though will be full synthetic. Why specifically is outboard oil bad for mopeds? If I have done damage to the engine by using outboard oil, please let me know. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/25/97, 11:45:11 AM Subject: 77 puch flooding again ************************************************* Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:45:11 -0600 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: jcoplanj@brookings.net Subject: 77 puch flooding again Now that this has happened again, I'm wondering if there might be another way to look at the way my 'ped is flooding. When it is flooding there is a ton of carbon on the spark plug. Replacing the spark plug with a clean one makes it start again. The 'ped also seems to burn an unusual amount of carbon in the exhaust (compared to another maxi anyway). Is it possible that the reason for this is some type of imbalance somewhere creating more carbon to burn through the engine? Thanks Jeff Coplan p.s. I haven't had time to take the carb apart yet. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/25/97, 12:27:39 PM Subject: The List's New Face ************************************************* Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:07:26 +0200 To: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net From: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net Subject: The List's New Face Andrew, The new digest mode is very easy to read and follow. Thanks are in order to you and the Cyber gnomes who insisted it be implimented. As with any digest I have remember to retype in the subject line when replying. Have been looking for a moped quietly. Discovered a motorcycle salvage operation in the neighborhood which gets 3 or 4 peds through a year. Perhaps one of these days when I pedal past, Mr. Salvage will have one in stock. john -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/25/97, 12:27:39 PM Subject: Re: The List's New Face ************************************************* Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:27:39 -0500 (CDT) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: Re: The List's New Face > Have been looking for a moped quietly. Discovered > a motorcycle salvage operation in the neighborhood > which gets 3 or 4 peds through a year. Perhaps one > of these days when I pedal past, Mr. Salvage will > have one in stock. Yep. Motorized bicycle is very, very good. In fact, I remember what a relief it was to ride Bike Machine again after a day of learning motrocycle. But moped is even better than Bike Machine :) Speaking of which, I have some info that I haven't got around to publish yet. It's about bicycle called Zodiac - using Sachs-like hub motor. Here's some notes I jotted about it: *************** Zodiac - remake of Sachs. $895 - whole bicycle. Hub motor. More quiet. Rear drum brake. 15-18MPH Made in Taiwan. Using Sachs technology. Front suspension. Battery operated headlight (2 c battery). Chainguard. Full fenders. Speedometer. Rear package rack (this is where fuel tank is). 66 pounds well. Pedals like regular bicycle. When motor is killed, there is no drag. Good in bad weather. Twist grip throttle. Recoil to start. In the future - electric start. 30cc. May release another motor that's faster. Z300 - moped appearance. Forrest green and red. (pedals well too). Z210 - ladies frame reg bicycle. Teal green, red. Z215 - mens model. Gold(titanium) and black. MX-5 - 25-30 Mph Motorvotor. Between Bike Machine and Edge. Contact info: "5 flags motorized bicycles". Frank Cadem at 904-941-208 ********************************* Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Re: moped question ************************************************* Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:46:26 -0400 To: Subject: Re: moped question >when i get to top speed on my moped there is always a loud buzzing sound from >the chain hittin the side panel,or that is what it sounds like.how do i fix >it if i can and how do i make it go faster >1991 golden bullet >tomos I can't tell you for sure but on mine I get this sound at around top speed. The sound is the intake. The holes for the intake must face to the front of the bike. When air is forced around the filter cover, it passes the ports and nothing gets in past a certain air speed. I assume this is the manufacturers way of "governing" the engine and max speed. Take this off and see if the sound persists. If it does, well. don't know. If it doesn't, leave it off and risk "cold starts" or drill holes on the other side. Kurt Stump kjs216@psu.edu o/ /| / > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Re: The List's New Face ************************************************* Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:09:44 -0700 To: agner@erols.com From: agner@erols.com Subject: Re: The List's New Face Moped Mailing List wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:27:39 -0500 (CDT) > To: Andrei Zaitsev > Subject: Re: The List's New Face > > > Have been looking for a moped quietly. Discovered > > a motorcycle salvage operation in the neighborhood > > which gets 3 or 4 peds through a year. Perhaps one > > of these days when I pedal past, Mr. Salvage will > > have one in stock. > Yep. > Motorized bicycle is very, very good. In fact, I remember what > a relief it was to ride Bike Machine again after a day of learning > motrocycle. > But moped is even better than Bike Machine :) > > Speaking of which, I have some info that I haven't got around > to publish yet. It's about bicycle called Zodiac - using Sachs-like > hub motor. Here's some notes I jotted about it: > *************** > Zodiac - remake of Sachs. > $895 - whole bicycle. > Hub motor. > More quiet. > Rear drum brake. > 15-18MPH > Made in Taiwan. > Using Sachs technology. > Front suspension. > Battery operated headlight (2 c battery). > Chainguard. > Full fenders. > Speedometer. > Rear package rack (this is where fuel tank is). > 66 pounds well. > Pedals like regular bicycle. > When motor is killed, there is no drag. > Good in bad weather. > Twist grip throttle. > Recoil to start. > In the future - electric start. > 30cc. > May release another motor that's faster. > > Z300 - moped appearance. Forrest green and red. > (pedals well too). > Z210 - ladies frame reg bicycle. Teal green, red. > Z215 - mens model. Gold(titanium) and black. > > MX-5 - 25-30 Mph > > Motorvotor. > Between Bike Machine and Edge. > > Contact info: > "5 flags motorized bicycles". > Frank Cadem at 904-941-208 > ********************************* > > Andrew Is info like this going to be permanently posted on your web site? It's useful info. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding again ************************************************* Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:08:02 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Gokartridr@aol.com Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding again check your coils, i had the same problems -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Moped vs. Car MPH ************************************************* Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:28:17 -0500 To: Subject: Moped vs. Car MPH Moped, car, foot, etc. etc. miles per hour are the same. 30 mph will get you there in the same amount of time (well, 30 miles in.. an hour) on a moped as in a car. Someone should ask this dealer what direction the sun rises in at his shop as opposed to his backyard! ;-) Sorry - I don't mean to be rude or snide. Ok, maybe a little snide. I know most dealers are reputable. But there's always a few bad ones (there's one here I'd expect would try to run the same b.s.) you've gotta watch out for! >************************************************* >Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:45:45 -0400 (EDT) >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: Barman3565@aol.com >Subject: Re: Tomos Mopeds > > >30 mph, that is moped miles per hour, not car miles per hour. What ever >that means. (That is what a dealer told me.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding again ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:26:32 +0200 To: Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding again ---------- | Van: Andrei Zaitsev | Datum: maandag 25 augustus 1997 19:45 | | ************************************************* | Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:45:11 -0600 | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: jcoplanj@brookings.net | Subject: 77 puch flooding again | | | Now that this has happened again, I'm wondering if there might be another | way to look at the way my 'ped is flooding. When it is flooding there | is a ton of carbon on the spark plug. Replacing the spark plug with a | clean one makes it start again. The 'ped also seems to burn an unusual | amount of carbon in the exhaust (compared to another maxi anyway). Is | it possible that the reason for this is some type of imbalance somewhere | creating more carbon to burn through the engine? | | Thanks | | Jeff Coplan | | p.s. I haven't had time to take the carb apart yet. | | Hi Jeff, isn't it that the problem isn't related to the inlet side of the combustion system but on the outlet side ? in plain english, is your exhaust pipe not glogged, full with coal, soaked with unburned oil or some thing.... | This has almost the same efx as flooding... bad starter... run..stop...run after a while....die-ing while driving, and nomero uno in moped problems. Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Re: How much does a Tomos Targa Cost? ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:50:33 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: How much does a Tomos Targa Cost? In a message dated 97-08-26 04:39:25 EDT, you write: >Can anyone tell me where I can buy a Brand New 1997 Tomos Targa LX for Under >$1200.00 ? > I can tell you where I bought my new '96 Tomos Targa LX for $1,200.00. There is a place in Bowling Green, Ohio called "B.G. Motorcycle Accessories". They are on 110 West Poe Road Bowling Green, Ohio. I paid a little over $1,200.00 for mine (I think $1,230.00) but included was a $100.00 aftermarket exaust pipe. Stock Tomos Targa LX's sell for around $1,100.00. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Re: How much does a Tomos Targa Cost? ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:24:14 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Gokartridr@aol.com Subject: Re: How much does a Tomos Targa Cost? you can probably buy one at MOPEDS MPG on Door ave. fairfax,va -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Re: 3 speed Trans. for tomos ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:28:57 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Gokartridr@aol.com Subject: Re: 3 speed Trans. for tomos IF i buy the engine will it be shipped here? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Re: moped question ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:19:31 +0200 To: Subject: Re: moped question ---------- | Van: Andrei Zaitsev | Datum: maandag 25 augustus 1997 3:57 | | ************************************************* | Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:19:22 -0400 (EDT) | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: Gokartridr@aol.com | Subject: moped question | | | when i get to top speed on my moped there is always a loud buzzing sound from | the chain hittin the side panel,or that is what it sounds like.how do i fix | it if i can and how do i make it go faster | 1991 golden bullet | tomos | | Bend the cover a little,untill the buuzing stops, or fix the chain tension... And drive down hill, or buy an biturbo or another expansion pipe. Peter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: I need Tourqe Spec.s ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:06:44 -0400 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: rmh@snip.net Subject: I need Tourqe Spec.s Hello, My name is Mike. I'm doing some work to my 1995 Targa LX (Tomos) and need the Tourqe Spec.s for the Head and the connecting rod. Thanks alot! And thanks all you guys for helping me before, see ya later! E-mail- rmh@snip.net Mike Hillegas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Need parts for 1957 Peugot moped ************************************************* Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:09:53 -0700 To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" From: lindar@wk.com Subject: Need parts for 1957 Peugot moped Does anyone have any advice about where to find parts for a classic Peugot moped? I need a few engine parts, and a couple of cosmetic parts. Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated. Linda Reynen lindar@wk.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: buzzing sound ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:36:51 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Gokartridr@aol.com Subject: buzzing sound I have a Tomos 1991 golden bullet. when i reach 40mph there is a loud buzzing sound what is it? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding again ************************************************* Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:51:18 -0400 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding again Moped Mailing List wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:45:11 -0600 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: jcoplanj@brookings.net > Subject: 77 puch flooding again > > Now that this has happened again, I'm wondering if there might be another > way to look at the way my 'ped is flooding. When it is flooding there > is a ton of carbon on the spark plug. Replacing the spark plug with a > clean one makes it start again. The 'ped also seems to burn an unusual > amount of carbon in the exhaust (compared to another maxi anyway). Is > it possible that the reason for this is some type of imbalance somewhere > creating more carbon to burn through the engine? > > Thanks > > Jeff Coplan > > p.s. I haven't had time to take the carb apart yet. Check your mixture. Sounds like too much oil to me. Also, if your rings are worn, oil gest into the compression chamber and burns onto the plugs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Tomos Targa Smoking ************************************************* Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:04:04 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: nimlo@neca.com Subject: Tomos Targa Smoking Dear fellow mopeders, Quick question.......When I leave my Tomos Targa (with oil injection) sit for a week or so it is a bit difficult to start and really smokes badly for about the first 3 or 4 minutes of running. Is this normal or is there a problem? I thought perhaps the oil was leaking into the cylinder. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. BTW, don't think I've been avoiding mopeds. Lately I've been riding the '84 Puch in lieu of the Tomos. Sincerely, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Re: 3 speed Trans. for tomos ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:19:57 +0200 To: Subject: Re: 3 speed Trans. for tomos ---------- | Van: Andrei Zaitsev | Datum: maandag 25 augustus 1997 3:57 | | ************************************************* | Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:07:11 -0400 (EDT) | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: AaronM428@aol.com | Subject: Re: 3 speed Trans. for tomos | | | In a message dated 97-08-23 08:25:46 EDT, you write: | >Here in europe $300 and still more ore less common (real die-hards!) but i | >don't think you asked for that, the puch version from the same 'ped has | >been sold in Cal. US... in the 60's and 70's VS / MV types, maybe also | >somewhere else in the states? | | So you mean that the Puch version will fit a Tomos 'ped (A35)? I assume that | it is a sequential shifter and the clutch is foot operated. Is that $300 for | kit and installation, I assume it is just for the kit. Also is it $300 | American? Oh btw, I just got my shop manual from Tomos. It mentions a | "colibri (A5)" as having the same drive system as the A35. Apparantly the | A35 is a cross between the A3 and the A5 (colibri). Do you know anyhting | about the colibri? It was interesting in that it had only one rear shock | absorber, centered in the rear swing arm. | | Dear Aaron, in the 60 and 70's there were no A-Series tomos. This are the worldfamous "egg shaped tank" ones for pic look at the photo page on my Url, so we 're not talking kits but old and complete mopeds , The $300 is incl tax but ex transport , to US what could become more than the moped it selve... sadly (BTW the A-series The A is for automatic) - single shock absorber sounds like fun , gas regulated ones, incl intelligent soft/hardware, yeah real terain killer- but that were only dreams, nice but dreams - regards, Peter ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Thanks for the carb help! ************************************************* Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 11:10:32 PDT To: Subject: Thanks for the carb help! After reading various e mails in reply to someone who was having carburator trouble, I decided that I had nothing to lose (since my Gitane moped wasn't running anymore). So I carefully read all of the advice, took off the carburator (a Dellorto 14 10), took a deep breath, and tore it apart. I've never touched a carb, so this took quite a bit of courage! I soaked everything in gasoline, and cleaned everything. I found lots and lots of dirt everywhere. I also took a pin and cleaned out all of the holds and jets and stuff that looked like it needed attention. I think soaking it did the most good. Anyways, I put it back together and it runs perfectly now! (And I only had 1 leftover part the **first** time I reassembled it!) Anyways, I wanted to thank everyone (and especially Andre for providing this forum). No way would I have had the courage to try this without the information that I saw posted on the mailing list. It's great to have this forum, and I really appreciate it! I'm just glad I didn't need to replace any parts, because I have no idea where I would get parts for this... I may have to start asking friends and co-workers who are travelling to Europe to pick up parts for me. By the way, some time ago I asked for help in identifying my moped (most people said that Gitane didn't make a moped). I've looked at many pictures posted on the web, and I found one in the Moped Museum that looks identical, except that mine has a full chain guard on both sides of the bike. The one on the Web is the Motobecane Caddy (see http://www/interlog.com/~paltron/moped/assets/images/mop-caddy.jpg) Does anyone know anything about this particular model? Also, I looked at a 1977 Peugeot 102 or 103 here in Portland, Oregon (USA) for sale last week. It only had 325 miles on it, but had been stored under a tarp but, alas, outside, so there is a lot of rust on it. I got it running for the lady, but I decided not to buy it, since I had decided to fix mine instead. It ran PERFECTLY, so if anyone in the Portland area is looking for one, I can get put you in touch with her (the asking price was $150). ==================================================== Catrinus Wallet Beaverton, Oregon, USA Catrinus.Wallet@Tek.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Re: The List's New Face (Zodiac bicycle) ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:08:56 -0500 (CDT) To: John Agner Subject: Re: The List's New Face (Zodiac bicycle) > Is info like this going to be permanently posted on your web site? It's > useful info. Thanks. Yes, it will! This guy at "5 flags motorized bicycles" was so helpful, he simply ovewhelmed me with info. But all data I got from him will find way to the webpage. Especially, since this Zodiac bike sounds like very interesting alternative to both moped and friction drive motor. Imagine that - what if it pulls as well as moped, but pedals as good as bicycle! Andrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Bi-Turbo Pipe ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:29:31 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Jerky181@aol.com Subject: Bi-Turbo Pipe I'm thinking about getting a new moped and have been hearing a lot about a Bi-Turbo Pipe. I know it increases the speed of the moped but how? Also, where can I find one and how much will it cost? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Yamaha QT50 parts for sale. ************************************************* Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:26:09 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com Subject: Yamaha QT50 parts for sale. If this list is not appropriate for posting things for sale, let me know. I do have a small assortment of yamahopper QT50 parts i want to get rid of as i sold one of my two bikes. email me with what you are looking for and i'll check if i have it. i can provide pictures of individual parts using my quickcam if need be. shipping would be from NC. I can provide references if requested. david suprdave@aol.com 1980 QT50 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Re: Moped ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:45:20 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Moped In a message dated 97-08-26 04:37:46 EDT, you write: >I am looking for >a bigger moped that I can use at home. My personal recommendation would be a new Tomos Targa or Targa LX. The only difference between the two is that the Targa LX looks like a miniature motorcycle, while the Targa has the tradidtional moped style. Both feature oil injection, so you don't have to worry about adding oil to gas in the right amount. (Just don't let the oil tank get empty!). They both get around 133 mpg. Stock top speed is around 30, but with a larger exaust pipe (Biturbo) I can coax 43 out of mine on a good day. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Re: Tomos Mopeds ************************************************* Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:15:15 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Tomos Mopeds In a message dated 97-08-25 13:48:45 EDT, you write: >30 mph, that is moped miles per hour, not car miles per hour. What ever >that means. (That is what a dealer told me.) MPH is MPH is MPH. Regardless of what you were told 30mph is 30mph is 30mph, be it on a car, moped, semitruck, cessna, or F-14. However, the speed indicated on the speedometer may differ due to defective calibration. Sounds to me like you dealer doesn't know what he's talking about. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:29:31 PM Subject: Re: The List's New Face ************************************************* Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:47:44 +0200 To: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net From: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: The List's New Face Moped Mailing List wrote: > Speaking of which, I have some info that I haven't got around > to publish yet. It's about bicycle called Zodiac - using Sachs-like > hub motor. Here's some notes I jotted about it: > *************** > Zodiac - remake of Sachs. > $895 - whole bicycle. > 66 pounds well. > Pedals like regular bicycle. > When motor is killed, there is no drag. Sounds interresting, especially the price which is below a Sachs wheel w/o the bike. Do you remember any mention of the pedal drive train, does it have a Shimano or comparible derailer setup? ...in fact with a little reflection if it's built around a good quality bicycle the price is down right reasonable. The weight sounds very high though in relation to it's performance. john -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 6:48:44 PM Subject: Re: Tomos Mopeds ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:48:44 -0700 To: agner@erols.com From: agner@erols.com Subject: Re: Tomos Mopeds Moped Mailing List wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:15:15 -0400 (EDT) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: AaronM428@aol.com > Subject: Re: Tomos Mopeds > > In a message dated 97-08-25 13:48:45 EDT, you write: > > >30 mph, that is moped miles per hour, not car miles per hour. What ever > >that means. (That is what a dealer told me.) > > MPH is MPH is MPH. Regardless of what you were told 30mph is 30mph is 30mph, > be it on a car, moped, semitruck, cessna, or F-14. However, the speed > indicated on the speedometer may differ due to defective calibration. Sounds > to me like you dealer doesn't know what he's talking about. Could it be that the dealer doesn't know the difference betweeen kilometers per hour and miles per hour? Could the moped be calibrated in kph rather than mph? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 7:31:54 PM Subject: moped speed ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:31:54 -0400 To: chrislo@cfw.com From: chrislo@cfw.com Subject: moped speed when speaking of "moped speed" the dealer may have meant the speedometer isn't accurate. mine had a 60 km/h limit which i managed to pass. but when riding next to a motorcycle it showed a paltry 55. or maybe he really does think mopeds have different mph. in that case have him stick to changing oil or something. my moped also fumed quite badly when starting cold. this went away quickly and never happened when the engine was warm. and speaking of crud: i have a trivia question. how you remove the gunk build-up in your exhausts and tailpipes? i used to put some plain gas in mine, swirl (not shake) it a bit, set it on fire and then blowing compressed air thru it. not the sanest method, but effective. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 8:00:48 PM Subject: Re: moped speed ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:00:48 -0700 (PDT) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: Re: moped speed > > and speaking of crud: i have a trivia question. how you remove the gunk > build-up in your exhausts and tailpipes? > i used to put some plain gas in mine, swirl (not shake) it a bit, set it > on fire and then blowing compressed air thru it. not the sanest method, > but effective. I've heard of people taking a torch to the outside of their motorccyle exhaust pipes and heating them up enough that the gunk mostly burns out. My Vespa manual recommended decocking the cylinder head and ports with A wooden chisel and hammer. -Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 9:13:43 PM Subject: Re: moped speed ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:13:43 -0700 To: agner@erols.com From: agner@erols.com Subject: Re: moped speed Moped Mailing List wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:31:54 -0400 > To: chrislo@cfw.com > From: chrislo@cfw.com > Subject: moped speed > > when speaking of "moped speed" the dealer may have meant the speedometer > isn't accurate. mine had a 60 km/h limit which i managed to pass. but > when riding next to a motorcycle it showed a paltry 55. > or maybe he really does think mopeds have different mph. in that case > have him stick to changing oil or something. > > my moped also fumed quite badly when starting cold. this went away > quickly and never happened when the engine was warm. > > and speaking of crud: i have a trivia question. how you remove the gunk > build-up in your exhausts and tailpipes? > i used to put some plain gas in mine, swirl (not shake) it a bit, set it > on fire and then blowing compressed air thru it. not the sanest method, > but effective. A book I got from the library on 2-stroke maintenance suggests the following. If the baffle is detachable, remove it. Wash the baffles and inside of the silencer (exhaust) with a degreaser to remove the wet, sticky residue. Let dry. Hard carbon deposits can be removed with a stiff wire brush. (Maybe the kind used to run through narrow wood stove or oil furnace flue pipes). To remove deposits inside the silencer, use caustic soda, but be careful to not get it in eyes or on skin. Start with a bucket of water and slowly add soda until you have a saturated solution that will absorb no more crystals. Plug the end of the silencer (I don't know with what), add the soda solution and leave it for 24 hours. This should loosen hardened particles. Good luck. Let me know how it works. I've lost some top end performance lately, and I think I'm in line to decarbon my exhaust. John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 9:13:43 PM Subject: Re: Tomos Targa Smoking ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 04:18:08 +0200 To: Subject: Re: Tomos Targa Smoking ---------- | Van: Andrei Zaitsev | Datum: woensdag 27 augustus 1997 0:29 | | ************************************************* | Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:04:04 -0400 (EDT) | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: nimlo@neca.com | Subject: Tomos Targa Smoking | | | Dear fellow mopeders, | | Quick question.......When I leave my Tomos Targa (with oil injection) sit | for a week or so it is a bit difficult to start and really smokes badly for | about the first 3 or 4 minutes of running. Is this normal or is there a | problem? I thought perhaps the oil was leaking into the cylinder. | | Any advice would be greatly appreciated. BTW, don't think I've been | avoiding mopeds. Lately I've been riding the '84 Puch in lieu of the Tomos. | | Sincerely, | | | John | | No problem, quit normal.. a week, who can leave his baby so long ? Peter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 9:44:04 PM Subject: Re: moped speed ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:44:04 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com Subject: Re: moped speed or you can do like i did. build a fire and put the pipe in there. that will do it, although the outside of the muffler will turn rusty. also, if the fire is too hot, it can possibly burn through the thin metal like it did on mine the second time i did it. david 1980 QT50 << | Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:31:54 -0400 | To: chrislo@cfw.com | From: chrislo@cfw.com | Subject: moped speed | | | and speaking of crud: i have a trivia question. how you remove the gunk | build-up in your exhausts and tailpipes? | i used to put some plain gas in mine, swirl (not shake) it a bit, set it | on fire and then blowing compressed air thru it. not the sanest method, | but effective. | >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 10:48:44 PM Subject: Attention David Wood ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:45:03 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: duckdogs@bright.net Subject: Attention David Wood Sorry, I lost your E-mail address. Just wanted you to know I received it yesterday and I mailed your check the same day. Greg Kauffman 1968 Z28 1970 Norton Commando "S" 1974 2002Tii 1979 Puch Maxi 1980 Puch Magnum 1988 Suburban the "RIG" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 10:48:44 PM Subject: '80 Puch wiring diagram needed ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:44:53 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: duckdogs@bright.net Subject: '80 Puch wiring diagram needed Greetings, Can anyone send me a wiring diagram to an 80 Puch magnum? I'm trying to get this recently aquired machine to run. It has loose wires everywhere and is missing both handlebar switches. I seem to recall somebody having one of these listed in their sig file. (besides me) Also, can somebody E-mail me privately and tell me how to get this list in digest form? I didn't take advantage of it a couple of days ago and now wish I had. Greg Kauffman 1968 Z28 1970 Norton Commando "S" 1974 2002Tii 1979 Puch Maxi 1980 Puch Magnum 1988 Suburban the "RIG" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/26/97, 10:48:44 PM Subject: Re: Tomos Targa Smoking ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:48:44 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Gokartridr@aol.com Subject: Re: Tomos Targa Smoking i had the same problem. just let it run it will be fine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 3:19:30 AM Subject: Re: moped speed ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:52:13 +0200 To: Subject: Re: moped speed ---------- | Van: Andrei Zaitsev | Datum: woensdag 27 augustus 1997 1:31 | | ************************************************* | Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:31:54 -0400 | To: chrislo@cfw.com | From: chrislo@cfw.com | Subject: moped speed | | | and speaking of crud: i have a trivia question. how you remove the gunk | build-up in your exhausts and tailpipes? | i used to put some plain gas in mine, swirl (not shake) it a bit, set it | on fire and then blowing compressed air thru it. not the sanest method, | but effective. | | take it in parts a little a possible, and poker it clean with a piece of iron bar...... Peter, (put i a big fire works always fine) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 3:19:30 AM Subject: Re: 3 speed Trans. for tomos ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 03:19:30 +0200 To: Subject: Re: 3 speed Trans. for tomos ---------- | Van: Andrei Zaitsev | Datum: woensdag 27 augustus 1997 0:29 | | ************************************************* | Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:28:57 -0400 (EDT) | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: Gokartridr@aol.com | Subject: Re: 3 speed Trans. for tomos | | | IF i buy the engine will it be shipped here? | | It wouldn't fit under an A-model or targa or any modern tomos moped, only on 4L and AT NTX ATX models. Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 3:34:03 PM Subject: Re: Yamaha QT50 parts for sale. ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:04:49 -0600 To: Subject: Re: Yamaha QT50 parts for sale. >************************************************* >Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:26:09 -0400 (EDT) >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com >Subject: Yamaha QT50 parts for sale. > > >If this list is not appropriate for posting things for sale, let me know. > >I do have a small assortment of yamahopper QT50 parts i want to get rid of as >i sold one of my two bikes. email me with what you are looking for and i'll >check if i have it. i can provide pictures of individual parts using my >quickcam if need be. shipping would be from NC. I can provide references if >requested. > >david >suprdave@aol.com > >1980 QT50 Would you have a battery? how much? Jeff Coplan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 3:34:03 PM Subject: Re: Bi-Turbo Pipe ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:28:10 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Bi-Turbo Pipe In a message dated 97-08-27 10:29:32 EDT, you write: >I know it increases the speed of the moped but how? Also, >where can I find one and how much will it cost? It allows the engine to breathe easier. Think of it this way, breathing through a coffee stirrer (the hollow kind) vs. breathing through a straw, which is easier? The energy that used to be used to push the exaust through the restrictive pipe is now put to use for forward motion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 3:34:03 PM Subject: Trac Moped ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 12:28:31 -0700 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: watch@inmind.com Subject: Trac Moped Need an engine cyclinder and a piston for 1986 Trac Moped. Need help locating parts. watch@inmind.com Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 3:34:03 PM Subject: Re: How much does a Tomos Targa Cost? ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:49:04 -0400 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: mrider@illuminet.net Subject: Re: How much does a Tomos Targa Cost? Gokartridr@aol.com wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:24:14 -0400 (EDT) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Gokartridr@aol.com > Subject: Re: How much does a Tomos Targa Cost? > > you can probably buy one at MOPEDS MPG on Door ave. fairfax,va You can, but if you think you'll want service later, you ought to go to Able Bike and Mower on Route 28 North in Manassas. They also sell Tomos (not as many as Mopeds MPG) but their prices are similar and I've had better support from them. Leon Begeman mrider@illuminet.net Dale City, VA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 3:34:03 PM Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding again ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:06:22 -0600 To: Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding again >************************************************* >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:26:32 +0200 >To: >Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding again > > > > >---------- >| Van: Andrei Zaitsev >| Datum: maandag 25 augustus 1997 19:45 >| >| ************************************************* >| Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:45:11 -0600 >| To: daugava@nothnbut.net >| From: jcoplanj@brookings.net >| Subject: 77 puch flooding again >| >| >| Now that this has happened again, I'm wondering if there might be another >| way to look at the way my 'ped is flooding. When it is flooding there >| is a ton of carbon on the spark plug. Replacing the spark plug with a >| clean one makes it start again. The 'ped also seems to burn an unusual >| amount of carbon in the exhaust (compared to another maxi anyway). Is >| it possible that the reason for this is some type of imbalance somewhere >| creating more carbon to burn through the engine? >| >| Thanks >| >| Jeff Coplan >| >| p.s. I haven't had time to take the carb apart yet. >| >| >Hi Jeff, >isn't it that the problem isn't related to the inlet side of the combustion >system but on the outlet side ? in plain english, is your exhaust pipe not >glogged, full with coal, soaked with unburned oil or some thing.... >| >This has almost the same efx as flooding... bad starter... run..stop...run >after a while....die-ing while driving, and nomero uno in moped problems. > > > Bye, Peter Staal > > from: staal@concepts.nl > peter_tomos@geocities.com >Homepages: > http://home.concepts.nl/~staal > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 > This wouldn't be remedied by a new spark plug, though, would it? Replacing the spark plug makes it run. Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 3:34:03 PM Subject: Re: moped question ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:34:03 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: moped question In a message dated 97-08-27 13:53:35 EDT, you write: >The holes for the intake must face to the front of >the bike. Really!? The engine air intake on my A35, as on all A35's is perpendicular to the direction of bike travel. (ie. the opening faces the left side). I wondered that the engine got any air at all because the air rushing past the opening would, according to Bernoulli's Principle, suck the air OUT of the filterbox. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 3:34:03 PM Subject: Re: moped speed ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:14:48 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: FLyMr4444@aol.com Subject: Re: moped speed does anyone know where i can find a clutch for a Motobecane? I can't find them anywhere, the model it 1978 if that helps. Also, what is the best name in Mopeds? Thanks, Anthony -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 3:34:03 PM Subject: Re: Tomos Targa Smoking ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:17:15 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Tomos Targa Smoking In a message dated 97-08-26 22:30:17 EDT, you write: >who can leave his baby so long ? Not me. (Except in Winter.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 3:34:03 PM Subject: Re: Attention David Wood ************************************************* Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:50:44 -0700 (PDT) To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: Re: Attention David Wood I got the check today. Thanks. -Dave On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Moped Mailing List wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:45:03 -0400 (EDT) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: duckdogs@bright.net > Subject: Attention David Wood > > > Sorry, > > I lost your E-mail address. Just wanted you to know I received it > yesterday and I mailed your check the same day. > > > > > > > > > Greg Kauffman > > 1968 Z28 > 1970 Norton Commando "S" > 1974 2002Tii > 1979 Puch Maxi > 1980 Puch Magnum > 1988 Suburban the "RIG" > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 3:34:03 PM Subject: Re: Tomos Mopeds ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:22:54 -0400 (EDT) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Tomos Mopeds In a message dated 97-08-27 02:09:36 EDT, you write: >Could it be that the dealer doesn't know the difference betweeen >kilometers per hour and miles per hour? If the dealer doesn't know such a simple fact, find another dealer. This one may ruin a good 'ped. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 8:24:39 PM Subject: Re: '80 Puch wiring diagram needed ************************************************* Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 01:41:51 +0200 To: Subject: Re: '80 Puch wiring diagram needed ---------- | Van: Andrei Zaitsev | Datum: woensdag 27 augustus 1997 4:48 | | ************************************************* | Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:44:53 -0400 (EDT) | To: daugava@nothnbut.net | From: duckdogs@bright.net | Subject: '80 Puch wiring diagram needed | | | Greetings, | | Can anyone send me a wiring diagram to an 80 Puch magnum? I'm trying to | get this recently aquired machine to run. It has loose wires everywhere and | is missing both handlebar switches. I seem to recall somebody having one of | these listed in their sig file. (besides me) | | | Also, can somebody E-mail me privately and tell me how to get this list | in digest form? I didn't take advantage of it a couple of days ago and now | wish I had. | | | | | | | | Greg Kauffman | | 1968 Z28 | 1970 Norton Commando "S" | 1974 2002Tii | 1979 Puch Maxi | 1980 Puch Magnum | 1988 Suburban the "RIG" Try one of the swedish links in my how original-- 'links pages' the maxi diagram and some varietys are there, (the second part is andrews job.) Bye, Peter Staal from: staal@concepts.nl peter_tomos@geocities.com Homepages: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 8:24:39 PM Subject: Re: moped speed ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:24:39 -0400 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: moped speed Moped Mailing List wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:14:48 -0400 (EDT) > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: FLyMr4444@aol.com > Subject: Re: moped speed > > does anyone know where i can find a clutch for a Motobecane? I can't find > them anywhere, the model it 1978 if that helps. Also, what is the best name > in Mopeds? > > Thanks, > Anthony You need to be more specific on the model. Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 8:24:39 PM Subject: Fw: can't sell my mopeds ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:13:14 -0500 To: "Mailing List" Subject: Fw: can't sell my mopeds ------ reply to JustForce@aol.com -------- > I was wondering if you would be willing to post this at your site as one ad > with both for sale together for $300 along with any of the parts I have. > Thanks again! > > Make: Puch 1978 > Model: Unknown > Year: 1978 > Mileage: 474 > Needs: Starter cable, pedals, tires, starter belt, brake cables, and shocks > Misc: I was given this after it had been stored for about ten years in a > shed. After working on it for about two weeks I was able to get it into good > running condition. I rode the moped for about a week and then all of a sudden > the starter cable and belt snapped. The starter cable and belt broke. When I > looked at the cable and the belt I found they were old and brittle from > moisture and temperature fluxuations from the changing of the seasons. The > mopeds engine looks to be in great shape and runs good, the body is also in > fair condition. > > > Make: Piaggio > Model: Vespa > Year: 1976 > Mileage: 284 > Needs: Tires, gas cap, brake and starter cables > Misc: Body in almost MINT condition and the engine is very clean. The wheels > are spoked and are chrome many other parts are crome also. All the chrome is > either spotless or lightly stained. > > These mopeds are located in N.Canton, Ohio. > If you are interested contact me through E-mail, Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 8:24:39 PM Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding again ************************************************* Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 01:52:33 +0200 To: Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding again ---------- | Van: Andrei Zaitsev | Datum: woensdag 27 augustus 1997 21:34 | | ************************************************* | Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:06:22 -0600 | To: | Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding again | | | >************************************************* | >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:26:32 +0200 | >To: | >Subject: Re: 77 puch flooding again | > | > | > | > | >---------- | >| Van: Andrei Zaitsev | >| Datum: maandag 25 augustus 1997 19:45 | >| | >| ************************************************* | >| Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:45:11 -0600 | >| To: daugava@nothnbut.net | >| From: jcoplanj@brookings.net | >| Subject: 77 puch flooding again | >| | >| | >| Now that this has happened again, I'm wondering if there might be another | >| way to look at the way my 'ped is flooding. When it is flooding there | >| is a ton of carbon on the spark plug. Replacing the spark plug with a | >| clean one makes it start again. The 'ped also seems to burn an unusual | >| amount of carbon in the exhaust (compared to another maxi anyway). Is | >| it possible that the reason for this is some type of imbalance somewhere | >| creating more carbon to burn through the engine? | >| | >| Thanks | >| | >| Jeff Coplan | >| | >| p.s. I haven't had time to take the carb apart yet. | >| | >| | >Hi Jeff, | >isn't it that the problem isn't related to the inlet side of the combustion | >system but on the outlet side ? in plain english, is your exhaust pipe not | >glogged, full with coal, soaked with unburned oil or some thing.... | >| | >This has almost the same efx as flooding... bad starter... run..stop...run | >after a while....die-ing while driving, and nomero uno in moped problems. | > | > | > Bye, Peter Staal | > | > from: staal@concepts.nl | > peter_tomos@geocities.com | >Homepages: | > http://home.concepts.nl/~staal | > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464 | > | | | This wouldn't be remedied by a new spark plug, though, would it? | Replacing the spark plug makes it run. | | Jeff | | For a while yes, until coal sets on the plug and the thing dies. a few poss. left. a- exhaust full coal and sludge b- exhaust is open, still coaling up -> timing of ignition too late. c- bad jet size/ to much oil in the mix/ exh.port full of coal ? a few questions left: - does it start and run for a while and die out then , starts again after a while, etc. - does it start badly - smokes a lot ? Peter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 8:24:39 PM Subject: Fw: A question about mopeds ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:54:21 -0500 To: "Mailing List" Subject: Fw: A question about mopeds ---------- > From: Jbullie69@aol.com > To: daugava@inlink.com > Subject: A question about mopeds > Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 11:13 AM > > What do you know about TREK mopeds? > my friend got one and i'm thinking of buying one, but i've never heard of it > > Thanks > Bully -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 8:44:53 PM Subject: Re: Fw: A question about mopeds ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:44:53 -0400 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Fw: A question about mopeds Moped Mailing List wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:54:21 -0500 > To: "Mailing List" > Subject: Fw: A question about mopeds > > ---------- > > From: Jbullie69@aol.com > > To: daugava@inlink.com > > Subject: A question about mopeds > > Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 11:13 AM > > > > What do you know about TREK mopeds? > > my friend got one and i'm thinking of buying one, but i've never heard of > it > > > > Thanks > > Bully Trek or Trac?The second used to be out there; the first I never heard of. Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 9:13:27 PM Subject: WHAT RULES ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:13:27 -0400 To: chrislo@cfw.com From: chrislo@cfw.com Subject: WHAT RULES Also, what is the best name in Mopeds? > > > > Thanks, > > Anthony zuendapp rules -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 9:43:38 PM Subject: Re: WHAT RULES ************************************************* Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 04:36:22 +0200 To: Subject: Re: WHAT RULES ---------- | Van: Andrei Zaitsev | Datum: donderdag 28 augustus 1997 3:13 | | ************************************************* | Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:13:27 -0400 | To: chrislo@cfw.com | From: chrislo@cfw.com | Subject: WHAT RULES | | | Also, what is the best name in Mopeds? | > > | > > Thanks, | > > Anthony | | | | zuendapp rules | | TOMOS rides.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/27/97, 9:43:38 PM Subject: Re: Fw: A question about mopeds ************************************************* Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:43:38 -0700 To: agner@erols.com From: agner@erols.com Subject: Re: Fw: A question about mopeds Moped Mailing List wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:54:21 -0500 > To: "Mailing List" > Subject: Fw: A question about mopeds > > ---------- > > From: Jbullie69@aol.com > > To: daugava@inlink.com > > Subject: A question about mopeds > > Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 11:13 AM > > > > What do you know about TREK mopeds? > > my friend got one and i'm thinking of buying one, but i've never heard of > it > > > > Thanks > > Bully Trek makes bicycles and mtn. bikes, don't they? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev) Date: 8/28/97, 8:52:17 AM Subject: Re: WHAT RULES ************************************************* Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:52:17 -0400 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: WHAT RULES Moped Mailing List wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 04:36:22 +0200 > To: |