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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 21:19:46 -0700 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: danyo@montrose.net Subject: Re: Fw: News about Whizzer daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:59:40 -0800 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: proof@idt.net > Subject: Re: Fw: News about Whizzer > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:04:56 -0700 (MST) > > To: > > Subject: Re: Fw: News about Whizzer > > > > >************************************************* > > >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:49:56 -0600 > > >To: "Mailing List" > > >Subject: WANT MORE INFO ASAP > > > > > Dear Robert; > > > > I wrote you a few days ago and I just wanted to keep in touch. I > am > > designing a motorized bike myself after years of restoring various > Whizzers > > (4 so far, although I'm now down to owning just one, a 1948 BF > Goodrich > > [Schwinn] H-model). > > > > I have always been fascinated by strange contraptions and less than > ordinary > > means of getting from point A to Pittsburgh.... my first car being a > 1958 > > DKW 2-stroke (then licensed as a motorcycle in OR [1976] with a > helmet law > > in effect and a confused police force in town)--- now owning a '57 > > Studebaker and an early 1930 Model A Speedster that I drive nearly > every day. > > > > But my heart, soul and lower intestines belong to light motorcycles > and > > scooters (being spoiled rotten by a 1962 Cushman Silver Eagle). I > love > > Whizzers, but have to admit I'd rather go 55 on my Eagle than 35 on > a > > Whiz... but they sure look cool! > > > > I'm presently a police officer and my goal is to open up a scooter > shop near > > Denver University within the next 3 years. I am working with an > experience > > machinist in designing a Honda-based 4-stroke power unit utilizing a > few > > repro'd Whiz components. I saw the repro Whizzer and was sorely > disappointed > > by the execution (not to mention the blatant false advertising; > vintage > > Whizzer pix & all). > > > > My bike (tentatively called the BAX) will be mounted in a Schwinn > cruiser > > frame in standard (non-sprung) and deluxe (springer fork, cycle lock > + aux > > tank) versions. Both will include a modern Stermy-Archer expander > brake. I > > plan on developing several appearance options (fishtail exhaust, > mini-spot > > lites) to compliment the bikes. I am still working out some minor > > engineering details as to belt profiles and belt clearance but have > worked > > out the main problem of a clutch shaft adapter (expensive problem, > > incidentally). > > The Honda engine meets smog in all 50 states and will propel a 185lb > guy > > about 23mph at sea level... no speed demon for sure but adequate. > > > > I am interested in your resusitation of Whizzer and would like to > obtain > > dealer info---- I see you having a big hurdle overcoming the > hundreds of > > Whizzer owners out there knowing about the earlier machine's lousy > > reputation--- and feel you must return to the seperate barrel/(best > > w/hi-finned) head design--- getting as close to the H or J series as > > > possible. Carburation is problematical as Mikuni is the most > established > > mini-carb producer around, which sickens a lot of Tillotson purists. > I am > > extremely curious how you're going to overcome these problems, not > to > > mention smog certs, DOT approval, etc. > > Are you planning to do any bi-light/generator reproduction? > > Who's making your sheves? > > > > For Chrissake's keep in touch, you get going and I want to be a > dealer!!! > > > > Jack Backstreet > > 19004 E Chenango Cir > > Aurora, CO 80015-4948 > > > > Fax: (303) 627-8032. > > > > > > > > Speaking of strange vehicles any of you who have ever been to rural > areas > of italy have no doubt seen Piaggio's strange 3 wheel utility vehicle > called the "ape" (bee in italian as opposed to "vespa" or wasp). It's > got > an enclosed cab in front with a regular car seat in it (only one) and > an > open pickup truck type cargo bay in the back. The steering is > controlled > by a scooter type handlebar with hand activated brakes i think. The > wheels are no bigger than scooter wheels and the engine sounds like a > scooter type engine - dont know how big it is. Anyway, this would be > an > ultracool vehicle to have here in US - good for rainy days when you > dont > wanna ride your ped. Anyone ever see one here? Jan 31, 98 Hi Guys: I was reading your message regarding the three wheeled vehicle. During my tour of duty in Viet Nam, I used to see many of these vehicle. I think that most of them were made by Lambretta. They used to be used for pickup trucks to taxis. The Vietnamese really knew how to load them down with anything that could hang on or be tied on. I haven't seen any of them here in the USA. See ya, Dan Johnson Gunnison, CO 81230 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:15:49 -0500 (EST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: What are these?? Found this website of a place in FL selling 50cc scooters, but there is no hint who makes them ... check them out at tell me what you think ... I'm guessing some company in Taiwan, China or Korea, but it's pretty hard to tell ... thanks! ~ Danny ~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ syracuse ska!! Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:27:49 -0800 (PST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: shortwav@u.washington.edu Subject: Digest Posting (fwd) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:08:47 -0600 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: drbrown@gte.net Subject: Digest Posting > Does anybody know where I can buy an old Sears Allstate moped sold from > the late 50's to the early 60's? I think it was made by Puch. I've got one. It's not pretty and does not run but if you're interested I'd be happy to sell it. Just email me if you're interested. -Mr. Mark Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 00:20:12 -0700 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: danyo@montrose.net Subject: Re: [Re: Tomos engine advice?] daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:19:18 -0500 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: paltron@interlog.com > Subject: Re: [Re: Tomos engine advice?] > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > > > > Are there any belt driven mopeds available on the U.S. market > today?? > > Thanks, > > DS > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com > > Maybe the Kinetic which is a Vespa/Piaggio knockoff. Or you can look > for > a used Mobylette or Peugeot. Both are very good. Jan 31, 98 DS: Saw a Honda moped just the other day and noticed that it was belt driven! Don't know how old or what model it was. Looked a lot like the Motobecane step through. Dan Johnson Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 00:33:57 -0700 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: danyo@montrose.net Subject: Re: Vespa Piaggio daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:58:20 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Huvz@aol.com > Subject: Re: Vespa Piaggio > > My rule of thumb is, never $100 or more , unless it is running, and > you can > ride it before you buy. > If it is complete, and not running, and will clean up ( no rust) - > $50 > If it is not complete ( needs ANY parts) I would offer $50 or less > depending on your chances of finding the missing pieces. > Good Luck > Scott Jan 31, 98 Scott: Thanks for the advice regarding the Piaggio. I thought that the asking price was too high. I'll let ya know how it turns out. Dan Johnson Gunnison, CO Danyo@Montrose.com Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 00:43:44 -0700 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: danyo@montrose.net Subject: Re: Vespa Piaggio daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:02:47 -0800 > To: agner@erols.com > From: agner@erols.com > Subject: Re: Vespa Piaggio > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:23:11 -0700 > > To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" > > Subject: Vespa Piaggio > > > > Jan 19, 1998 > > > > Subject: Vespa Piaggio > > > > Hi everyone: > > > > I'm the new guy looking for a Peugeot Sport. However, while > discussing > > Vespas with a friend of mine, he mentioned that he had one for > sale. I > > thought he was talking about a scooter so I went and looked at it. > > Turns out that it is a "piaggio" moped. It's a 1979 model and > doesn't > > look to be in bad shape. He wants $150 US. Anyone have any ideas > as to > > the value of this bike? Too Much? Good deal? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dan Johnson > Are you in Montrose, CO? AS for the VEspa, I have one and love it. > It's > a 1980. Parts are available through the shops in the US that support > Vespa's. John from NJ Jan 31,98 John: No, I live in Gunnison but my server is in Montrose. Any idea what the value high/low might be on the Piaggio? I understand from hitting every moped link that I can find that the models vary. I'm going to find out what the exact model is prior to even making an offer. I only ran across this bike through a discussion I had regarding my restoration of my 74 Yamaha TX500. The guy that has the Piaggio just said "Vespa" and I went and took a short look at it....thought he meant a scooter. Might be a fun ride though around here in the summer. Gotta run Dan Johnson Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 02:41:47 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: pinhead@ufl.edu Subject: The Tomos saga continues... Finally had some time this weekend to sit down and start inspecting Mr. Tomos. First order of business was a change of tranny oil. I drained and inspected the current contents of the gearbox, and aside from trace amounts of what I assume is clutch dust, it was pure and clean. At this point, I figured I was in a good position to open up the gearbox (right side) and have a look. And everything appears fine. The inside of the case was clean and free of residue and sludge. The gears themselves were in perfect condition, free from cracks, scratches, discoloration, uneven wear, or other signs of abuse. I'm no expert on centrifugal clutches, but they appeared to be doing all right in terms of lining. Satisfied, I gave everything a quick wipe, then bolted it back together and topped it off with fresh fluid. Next, I pulled and inspected the plug. Again, flawless. The center insulator was a proper shade of brown, the electrodes appeared undamaged, and were gapped at just a hair over the manuals spec of .5mm, looked like about .55 or .6 on my universal feeler. A slight oily coat on the electrodes, but nothing too terribly thick. It isn't arcing. A little anti-seize on the threads and back in goes the plug. Next, with all the talk of exhausts, I decided to inspect mine. So I removed the pipe from the cylinder. First, a quick inspection of the exhaust port itself revealed little. Aside from a fairly rough casting it was clean and clear. The exhaust pipe was another matter. Knowing that restriction is not our friend, I cleaned up the mating surface of the pipe, pressed it against my lips, and gave a nice, smooth exhale. I could not believe the amount of back-pressure! Felt like something was clogging the pipe! One set-screw later I had removed the baffle on the end, and I tried it again. Smooth as silk this time. No restriction at all. So being the naturally curious bastard that I am, I bolted my new straight-pipe exhaust back onto the bike, and took it out for a spin. Aside from being rather louder, I was quite disappointed. Throttle response is definately somewhat quicker up on the kickstand, but on the road, my digital speedo says I've gained about 1 mph of top speed at wide-open throttle, downhill. And worse, my climbing performance is totally unchanged. So, back on with the cleaned-out baffle, and back to the drawing board. It feels almost like this bike has a governor on it that's keeping me at 30mph. Why is it that I have to hot-rod every vehicle I get into? :) -=>Joe Perez<=- -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=- Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:12:27 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: SearsPucher@webtv.net Subject: Changed names Hi, Hope I requested properly. I was c104@webtv.net and requested stop digest. I'm enjoying the digest and I'd like it under another user name, SerasPucher@webtv.net I wrote a letter last night on 1967 sears puchs and speeeed, and am anxious to see feedback. I'm Gone!!!!!!!!! Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 09:21:35 -0500 To: moped mail Subject: Moped vs. Motorcycle Hi everyone, There's been all this talk about making mopeds faster. Some have been mentioned to have bigger compression than 50cc and I wondered, if not what classifies a bike as a moped and not a motorcycle, and where the line is drawn? JLove Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 14:19:43 -0800 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: bunson@bc.sympatico.ca Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: Re: help]] X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Message-ID: <34D4F053.972@bc.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 13:59:47 -0800 From: brett bernier MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daugava@notnbut.net Subject: [Fwd: Re: help] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Message-ID: <34D444C0.3072@bc.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 01:47:44 -0800 From: brett bernier MIME-Version: 1.0 To: djs14@flash.net Subject: Re: help References: <33FCFE07.332E@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit douglas sistrunk wrote: > > isaw that u owned a honda moped and was wandering if u knew how to > remove the flywheel. > > please help > d.j. sistrunk I want to apologise to you Douglas, for not replying sooner. I hadn't been reading my e-mail for months and I ended up with 1538 messages in my INBOX a couple of weeks ago. In fact, most were from the moped mailing list. I just found your's the other night. I was a bit surprised at first, because I have been a spectator on the moped list, rather than a contributor. Then I felt guilty because someone had sought my help and had been ignored. Forgive me for this. I am sorry I can't help with your flywheel removal problem. That kind of information is found in a workshop manual. I don't have one yet for my moped. If you know of a source, please let me know. My son-in-law gave me my moped for Christmas '96. It is a 1974 Honda PC50, with 220 miles on the odometer. It was purchased and used in Europe on a Canadian Air Force base - then later in Ontario, Canada. It has a 1991 Ontario moped licence plate and registration papers. I have a signed transfer form and I hope to have it on the road this summer When I first got it, I was wondering how much oil to mix with the gas, but a visit to the library told me I had a 4-stroke. So I cleaned out the gas tank, installed clear plastic tubing on the fuel line and an in-line filter as suggested by other group members. With some fresh gasoline it started quite easily. But it doesn' t want to STOP. The brakes are not working properly and the de-compression lever doesn't stop the motor. There are some disconnected wires also. I really need a manual. I'm going to rig up a kill switch for the ignition. Happy mopeding. IAN MUNRO MISSION, B.C. (40 miles east of VANCOUVER) CANADA. Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 21:13:42 EST To: jamstar@sb.net From: lincoln33@juno.com Subject: Re: Puch for sale where are you and how much? _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:34:36 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: MOPEDMOPED@aol.com Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Tomos engine advice?]] In a message dated 98-01-30 17:40:07 EST, you write: << Do you mean you sell custom mopeds? How fast is the fastest moped on the planet? Is it still 50ccs?? Thanks, DS >>You can get anthing you want made up . 70cc 60mph is about as fast as you can get. This of course will be for public street or hiway use. Professional competion only as a moped is not designed to go 60mph. Racing only..... Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:29:05 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: MOPEDMOPED@aol.com Subject: Re: Tomos engine advice? To completly reset up and and align a Biturbo Exhaust system from a standard configuration to fit a 60 to 70cc cylinder would only cost $25.00 to $30.00 which includes the use of the oxy-accetlyene torch to bend and change the header angle. This is 75% less than buying a new exhaust system. This is a great price. I have never seen another shop that has done this. That is why when you call around most people tell you to buy a new exhaust. They do not have the expertise that we have. Most mopeds that come in for repair are "butcherd" up before we get them. We have to correct the damage done to them by people that do not know what thet are doing then fix the original problem. This take a lot of extra time. Just last week we had someone try to mount a bi-turbo on there moped. The kid twisted it, bent it, cut it, hammered it and still could not get it right. When he brought it to us we straightened it out and properly installed it and it dit cost him $10.00 extra. This is a real fair deal and like all our repairs is back by a 3 month guarantee in writing. Best Regards: Steve Hassa President Steve's Moped & Bicycle World Inc. 40 Park Avenue Dumont NJ 07628 ph(201)384-7777 fAX(201)384-7831 MOPEDMOPED@AOL.COM Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:33:53 -0700 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: jamstar@sb.net Subject: Subject Unknown Greetings: I have a 1977 Puch Newport moped for sale. It has 385 miles on it. It has been garaged for about 15 years. It had a little rust on it which I scrubbed off, but it still would need repainting and rechroming. Some people have told me to sell it for $75 and others $200. I'll take any offers, but take note that it is in Santa Barbara, California. Jean Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:12:06 +0100 To: "Peter Staal" Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: daugava@nothnbut.net Onderwerp: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS >************************************************* >Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:50:00 -0400 (EDT) >To: <199801291619.KAA07910@mail.valuenet.net> >From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu >Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS > > >I have a used 60 cc piston/cyclinder assembly I want to get rid of for >$99. It's really not a bad thing if you really want the extra power. I put >less than 200 miles on it before upgrading to a 70 cc. The 60 cc kit >increased my top speed from 25 up to 37 mph. > >Michael Liu > > > Hi Michael, I guess that 90% of your gain in speed is made by the better porting of the other cylinder and has almost nothing to do with the cc's (unless you weight 100 kg or more)... :-) try to buy less cylinder in stead of more (more ports=less metal) 50cc is enough trust me. why do you think it is so popular ? because it is just not enough cc's? when used all cc's properly a 50cc will carry you at an av. of >60km/h for years. (37mph or more thus) Bye, Peter Staal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: staal@concepts.nl Home: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:11:07 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: New Whizzer Announcement See it at /d/moped/newhiz.jpg Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:24:29 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: Derbi scooters I saw the Derbi line at a motorcycle show. They have some extra cool bikes. good luck Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:58:19 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802030836.CAA31631@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: speed kits This depends on alot of things. What is your present top speed on a windless day-no inclines? On my PUCH 2-speed, the max speed was increased from 25 to about 33 mph. But the accelleration rocked-it was faster than cars. However, in order to increase my top speed even more, I geared to sprockets from 3.1 to 1 to 2 to 1. The top speed is a little above 40mph. But the accelleration isn't was good. Michael Liu On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:38:46 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: CrUsHeR78@aol.com > Subject: Re: speed kits > > > how much faster does the moped go with a 70cc kit > > > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:11:16 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802030837.CAA31648@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: [speed kits] I can only speak of the 70 cc kit that Andover sells and the 60 cc kit that Steve's sell. The price that Steve was charging last August was a little higher than Andover's. However, Steve is within driving distance of me, so I could go there and examine the goods beforehand. Both speed kits are a Eurocyclinder. The Amal carb is identical and so is the Biturbo exhaust. The intake manifolds are different though. Steve's kit placed the carb's air intake about 11 o'clock (the front of the bike is 12), Andover's manifold placed the carb in the same place-so the covers still can be used. Both come with a choke lever and gaskets. Steve's kit came with new bolts and Andover's didn't. The 60cc kit uses your old head whereas the 70 cc kit comes with it's own. Neither comes with instructions. I had to pay tax on the 60cc because I bought it locally, I had to pay shipping on the 70cc kit because Andover Cycles is about a 48 hour drive for me-my moped would take 2 weeks to get there. I recommend that you e-mail both of them and ask for prices-they most certainly change depending on the season+supply and demand. Steve is very knowledgeable when it comes to PUCHs and you would be amazed to see some of the things that go on in his shop(good things)-one thing that amazes me is that his workspace is greaseless-no black stains on the floor-he keeps his space immaculate. I've never personally seen Andover Cycles, but I have spoken on many occasions with the owner:Lance Chayet. He is a very knowledgeable, patient, and friendly person who is willing to help you with what you're trying to accomplish. Andover Cycles: andover@aol.com Steve's Mopeds...: mopedmoped@aol.com You should also try Mickey's: tomostomos@aol.com he doesn't have speed kits, but he does have parts like the bITURBO PIPE and of all things: a 17mm carb!!! Michael Liu On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:01:08 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: drstupid@usa.net > Subject: Re: [speed kits] > > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:45:43 -0400 (EDT) > > To: <199801291617.KAA07794@mail.valuenet.net> > > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu > > Subject: speed kits > > > > > > > > I have bought speed kits from Steve's Moped and also Andover cycles. I can > > answer specific questions about both the 60 and 70 cc kits as they pertain > > to PUCH Maxis. However, I have no experience with the TOMOS stuff and more > > than likely, I won't. > > Is there any difference between the speed kits Steve's sells and the ones Andover sells? > Thanks > DS > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com > > > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:12:52 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802030841.CAA31802@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle the line is drawn at 50cc. The speed kits are NOT INTENDED FOR STREET USE. THEY ARE FOR OFF ROAD USE ONLY!!! Anybody who sells you one makes sure that this is clear! Michael Liu On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 09:21:35 -0500 > To: moped mail > Subject: Moped vs. Motorcycle > > > Hi everyone, > There's been all this talk about making mopeds faster. Some have > been mentioned to have bigger compression than 50cc and I wondered, if > not what classifies a bike as a moped and not a motorcycle, and where > the line is drawn? > JLove > > > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:15:29 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802030841.CAA31783@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... Get a Biturbo pipe. They are around $100 give or take 15%: Mickey's tomostomos@aol.com Andover: andover@aol.com Steve's: mopedmoped@aol.com Michael Liu On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 02:41:47 -0500 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: pinhead@ufl.edu > Subject: The Tomos saga continues... > > > Finally had some time this weekend to sit down and start inspecting Mr. > Tomos. > > First order of business was a change of tranny oil. I drained and > inspected the current contents of the gearbox, and aside from trace > amounts of what I assume is clutch dust, it was pure and clean. > > At this point, I figured I was in a good position to open up the gearbox > (right side) and have a look. And everything appears fine. > > The inside of the case was clean and free of residue and sludge. The > gears themselves were in perfect condition, free from cracks, scratches, > discoloration, uneven wear, or other signs of abuse. I'm no expert on > centrifugal clutches, but they appeared to be doing all right in terms > of lining. > > Satisfied, I gave everything a quick wipe, then bolted it back together > and topped it off with fresh fluid. > > Next, I pulled and inspected the plug. Again, flawless. The center > insulator was a proper shade of brown, the electrodes appeared > undamaged, and were gapped at just a hair over the manuals spec of .5mm, > looked like about .55 or .6 on my universal feeler. A slight oily coat > on the electrodes, but nothing too terribly thick. It isn't arcing. A > little anti-seize on the threads and back in goes the plug. > > Next, with all the talk of exhausts, I decided to inspect mine. So I > removed the pipe from the cylinder. First, a quick inspection of the > exhaust port itself revealed little. Aside from a fairly rough casting > it was clean and clear. > > The exhaust pipe was another matter. > > Knowing that restriction is not our friend, I cleaned up the mating > surface of the pipe, pressed it against my lips, and gave a nice, smooth > exhale. I could not believe the amount of back-pressure! Felt like > something was clogging the pipe! > > One set-screw later I had removed the baffle on the end, and I tried it > again. Smooth as silk this time. No restriction at all. So being the > naturally curious bastard that I am, I bolted my new straight-pipe > exhaust back onto the bike, and took it out for a spin. > > Aside from being rather louder, I was quite disappointed. Throttle > response is definately somewhat quicker up on the kickstand, but on the > road, my digital speedo says I've gained about 1 mph of top speed at > wide-open throttle, downhill. And worse, my climbing performance is > totally unchanged. > > So, back on with the cleaned-out baffle, and back to the drawing board. > It feels almost like this bike has a governor on it that's keeping me at > 30mph. > > Why is it that I have to hot-rod every vehicle I get into? :) > > -=>Joe Perez<=- > -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=- > > > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:16:55 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802030843.CAA31845@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: Subject Unknown What a deal!!! Do you have papers? Michael Liu On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:33:53 -0700 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: jamstar@sb.net > Subject: Subject Unknown > > > Greetings: > > I have a 1977 Puch Newport moped for sale. It has 385 miles on it. It has > been garaged for about 15 years. It had a little rust on it which I > scrubbed off, but it still would need repainting and rechroming. Some > people have told me to sell it for $75 and others $200. I'll take any > offers, but take note that it is in Santa Barbara, California. > > Jean > > > > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:39:03 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Fw: Derbi scooters This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------13385D3D19D4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:52:08 -0600 > To: "Mailing List" > Subject: Fw: Derbi scooters > > -------- reply to Quentin <666554@keysmac.com> ------- > We expect to begin stocking new Derbi scooters in three weeks. Our local > motorcycle dealer is selling 55+ mph 50cc ultra-modern units for around > $2200. They look like a Zuma that's been modernized. > > Keywesst@aol.com Wait until you see this baby tiger on the road. /d/moped/mop-derbigpr50.jpg Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:59:42 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: SearsPucher@webtv.net Subject: Re: "Moped Digest" Hey Mike! Never seen a 2-speed sears Puch, Pictues show engines are similar. I'd like to experiment and see if over 60 or 65cc jugs will bolt-up. I'm pretty confident on my gears, i'm in 4th by 20mph if I want. One of the Sabres has been modified, I just haven't torn it down yet. Carb is totally different, got it running once, went 50+ (crapped my pants) took it home and parked it. Bob suggested chek with Steve's to see if different jus would work. I'm Gone !!!!!!!!!! Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 11:33:04 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: 6828t@bright.net Subject: 50cc top speed I was looking on the net one night and found a link about moped's top speed. From the article I read it was set in England At around 135 mph. Of course it did not look very much like a moped, but it was under the shell that they added to streamline it. The article is on the web if you care to look it up!!! Thank You Bob Taylor daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:15:08 -0400 (EDT) > To: <199801302229.QAA32584@mail.valuenet.net> > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu > Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Tomos engine advice?]] > > The fastest moped on the planet isn't 50 cc. There is a point when you > trade top speed for acceleration. Anyone can gear up a moped to go 55 > mph top speed with sprockets and speed kits, but at a certain point the > acceleration starts to stink. You may be able to go 55-60 mph, but it > will take 5 minutes to get there from a stop. What is it that you want? > Great acceleration or great top speed-you can't have both unless you get > a motorcycle. > > Michael Liu Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:44:13 -0800 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: proof@idt.net Subject: Re: Tomos engine advice? daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:11:58 -0400 (EDT) > To: <199801302228.QAA32484@mail.valuenet.net> > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu > Subject: Re: Tomos engine advice? > > I really think replies like this should not be on this list. I have dealt > with Steve's Moped's and although everyone isn't perfect, the labor he has > charged me for work he has done has been fair. Steve has to eat and he > knows his way around mopeds. His labor rates aren't inherently high-there > are competitive. Just my 2 cents worth. That's a hell of alot less than he > charges but what do you expect for quality work? > > Michael Liu > > On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:20:49 -0800 > > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > > From: proof@idt.net > > Subject: Re: Tomos engine advice? > > > > > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > > > ************************************************* > > > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:22:31 EST > > > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > > > From: MOPEDMOPED@aol.com > > > Subject: Re: Tomos engine advice? > > > > > > If your dealer is as smart as we are he could heat the Bi-turbo header pipe up > > > to about 1,600 deg. and bend the header pipe to allow proper alignment with > > > the Big-bore cylinder. It takes us about 60 seconds with an oxy-accetlyene > > > torch. Then you can use the same exhaust. We can do this for you . We > > > guarantee all our work in writing. > > > Steve's Moped & Bicycle World Inc. 40 Park Ave. Dumont NJ (201)384-7777 > > > E-mail MOPEDMOPED@AOL.COM We ship anywhere > > > > > > > > Yeah too bad your labor charges are so outrageous > > > > > > Ok I have also dealt with Steve's and have found his rates to be not at all competitive. I was just expressing that opinion. I am curious though - why do you think responses like this should not be on the mailing list? This is not a one-way broadcasting medium for people's advertisements. Everyone on here has the right to respond to any post that is put on here. Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 12:02:37 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: 6828t@bright.net Subject: Re: Tomos engine advice? Give them h-ll Steve!!!! Most shops will charge a flat 1 hour rate if it takes only 10 minutes. And that flat hour can and will be around $50 to $65 dollars. So let them find it cheaper if they can, they will be back and when they are I hope that they like the taste of crow, because they will have to eat there share!!!! daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:29:05 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: MOPEDMOPED@aol.com > Subject: Re: Tomos engine advice? > > To completly reset up and and align a Biturbo Exhaust system from a standard > configuration to fit a 60 to 70cc cylinder would only cost $25.00 to $30.00 > which includes the use of the oxy-accetlyene torch to bend and change the > header angle. This is 75% less than buying a new exhaust system. This is a > great price. I have never seen another shop that has done this. That is why > when you call around most people tell you to buy a new exhaust. They do not > have the expertise that we have. > Most mopeds that come in for repair are "butcherd" up before we get them. We > have to correct the damage done to them by people that do not know what thet > are doing then fix the original problem. This take a lot of extra time. Just > last week we had someone try to mount a bi-turbo on there moped. The kid > twisted it, bent it, cut it, hammered it and still could not get it right. > When he brought it to us we straightened it out and properly installed it and > it dit cost him $10.00 extra. This is a real fair deal and like all our > repairs is back by a 3 month guarantee in writing. > Best Regards: > Steve Hassa > President > Steve's Moped & > Bicycle World Inc. > 40 Park Avenue > Dumont NJ 07628 > ph(201)384-7777 > fAX(201)384-7831 > MOPEDMOPED@AOL.COM Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 00:03:30 -0800 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: proof@idt.net Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:12:06 +0100 > To: "Peter Staal" > Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: daugava@nothnbut.net > Onderwerp: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS > > >************************************************* > >Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:50:00 -0400 (EDT) > >To: <199801291619.KAA07910@mail.valuenet.net> > >From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu > >Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS > > > > > >I have a used 60 cc piston/cyclinder assembly I want to get rid of for > >$99. It's really not a bad thing if you really want the extra power. I put > >less than 200 miles on it before upgrading to a 70 cc. The 60 cc kit > >increased my top speed from 25 up to 37 mph. > > > >Michael Liu > > > > > > > Hi Michael, > I guess that 90% of your gain in speed is made by the better porting of the > other cylinder and has almost nothing to do with the cc's (unless you weight > 100 kg or more)... > :-) try to buy less cylinder in stead of more (more ports=less metal) 50cc > is enough trust me. why do you think it is so popular ? because it is just > not enough cc's? > when used all cc's properly a 50cc will carry you at an av. of >60km/h for > years. (37mph or more thus) > > Bye, Peter Staal > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Email: staal@concepts.nl > Home: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes Peter but in the US we need alot more ACCELERATION because when you are first on line at a red light the lovely motorists of this country have no patience or consideration for alternative vehicles. Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 14:26:24 -0500 To: moped mail Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle --------------4AF5ACD500C1921FFCF4C2F6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jlove wrote > > Hi everyone, > > There's been all this talk about making mopeds faster. Some have > > been mentioned to have bigger compression than 50cc and I wondered, if > > not what classifies a bike as a moped and not a motorcycle, and where > > the line is drawn? > > JLove > I'd say difference is that moped had automatic transmission. > I've heard that were a couple motorcycles that were automatic, > but they were exception to thr rule and none of the current models > seem to be automatic.. > > Andrew This seems to make sense except that, I know that at least in the state of maine, one must apply for a motorcycle license to operate one after having taking a motorcycle education class but a moped can be operated on any class c license. There is no course required for a moped either. Does anyone else know if this is in fact the only difference or whether there is an other reason? Thanks, Jlove --------------4AF5ACD500C1921FFCF4C2F6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jlove wrote > Hi everyone, I'd say difference is that moped had automaticThis seems to make sense except that, I know that at least in the state of maine, one must apply for a motorcycle license to operate one after having taking a motorcycle education class but a moped can be operated on any class c license. There is no course required for a moped either. Does anyone else know if this is in fact the only difference or whether there is an other reason? Thanks, Jlove --------------4AF5ACD500C1921FFCF4C2F6-- Date: 03 Feb 97 19:13:56 +0000 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: zac.beeston@trak-one.co.uk Subject: Honda Hi! Can anyone tell me what they reckon a "Honda Melody" (1987) scooter is worth? Also, how much should I expect to pay for a decent looking moped (that runs :) )? Cheers! Zac www.merseyworld.com/imagine/ -- |Fidonet : Zac Beeston 2:254/62.17 |Internet: zac.beeston@trak-one.co.uk | | Via the TRAK-ONE! BBS Fidonet <-> Internet Gateway at 2:254/60 | See http://www.trak-one.co.uk for further information. | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his/her own. Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:39:07 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Z28SS97420@aol.com Subject: Re: Puch Speeeeeeed I HAVE A PUCH MAGNUM 2 80' THAT WILL DO ABOUT 60-65 ON FLAT SURFACES AND I HAVE EVEN HIT 75 DOWN HILL. BUDDY HALL Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:36:49 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Z28SS97420@aol.com Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Tomos engine advice?]] THAT ARTICLE ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE GREAT ACCLERATION AND A HIGH TOP SPEED IS FALSE. I CAN GET TO ABOUT 55-60 IN ABOUT 12-SECONDS AND CAN HANG WITH SOME CARS IN FIRST GEAR. BUDDY HALL Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:42:43 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: I might have messed up Hi! I might have accidentally nuked some messages today. So, if you posted something on Februrary 3 and it didn't go thru, would you kindly repost it. Sorry about that! Another thing - if you send an attached image, please, please, put it in a separate message (with no text). Otherwise, it's a nightmare to detach it, while trying to preserve the rest of the text. Andrew Moped Mailing List Administrator Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:15:23 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Gokartridr@aol.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle What do you mean, they are only for riding on bumpy dirt trails and gravel and no street or pavement at all? Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:55:16 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: GeeeTeee@aol.com Subject: Re: Puch Speeeeeeed that's crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why would you want to go that fast on a moped. they aren't engineered for that kind of speed Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:47:12 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Fw: Derbi scooters I sell Tomos and majestic mopeds along with Midwest scooters and ATV's. could you send me some information or have it sent to me, regarding the Debra scooter. Tony Weinfurtner, The Motorcycle Store, 202 Vernon St., Ironton, Ohio 45638, Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: daugava@nothnbut.net Subject: Re: Fw: Derbi scooters >daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: >> >> ************************************************* >> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:52:08 -0600 >> To: "Mailing List" >> Subject: Fw: Derbi scooters >> >> -------- reply to Quentin <666554@keysmac.com> ------- >> We expect to begin stocking new Derbi scooters in three weeks. Our local >> motorcycle dealer is selling 55+ mph 50cc ultra-modern units for around >> $2200. They look like a Zuma that's been modernized. >> >> Keywesst@aol.com >Wait until you see this baby tiger on the road. >/d/moped/mop-derbigpr50.jpg > > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:49:57 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Fw: News about Whizzer The Whizzer is coming back. A company here in the US will be setting up dealers in the near future. -----Original Message----- From: daugava@nothnbut.net Subject: Re: Fw: News about Whizzer >************************************************* >Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 21:19:46 -0700 >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: danyo@montrose.net >Subject: Re: Fw: News about Whizzer > > >daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > >> ************************************************* >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:59:40 -0800 >> To: daugava@nothnbut.net >> From: proof@idt.net >> Subject: Re: Fw: News about Whizzer >> >> daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: >> > >> > ************************************************* >> > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:04:56 -0700 (MST) >> > To: >> > Subject: Re: Fw: News about Whizzer >> > >> > >************************************************* >> > >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:49:56 -0600 >> > >To: "Mailing List" >> > >Subject: WANT MORE INFO ASAP >> > > >> > Dear Robert; >> > >> > I wrote you a few days ago and I just wanted to keep in touch. I >> am >> > designing a motorized bike myself after years of restoring various >> Whizzers >> > (4 so far, although I'm now down to owning just one, a 1948 BF >> Goodrich >> > [Schwinn] H-model). >> > >> > I have always been fascinated by strange contraptions and less than >> ordinary >> > means of getting from point A to Pittsburgh.... my first car being a >> 1958 >> > DKW 2-stroke (then licensed as a motorcycle in OR [1976] with a >> helmet law >> > in effect and a confused police force in town)--- now owning a '57 >> > Studebaker and an early 1930 Model A Speedster that I drive nearly >> every day. >> > >> > But my heart, soul and lower intestines belong to light motorcycles >> and >> > scooters (being spoiled rotten by a 1962 Cushman Silver Eagle). I >> love >> > Whizzers, but have to admit I'd rather go 55 on my Eagle than 35 on >> a >> > Whiz... but they sure look cool! >> > >> > I'm presently a police officer and my goal is to open up a scooter >> shop near >> > Denver University within the next 3 years. I am working with an >> experience >> > machinist in designing a Honda-based 4-stroke power unit utilizing a >> few >> > repro'd Whiz components. I saw the repro Whizzer and was sorely >> disappointed >> > by the execution (not to mention the blatant false advertising; >> vintage >> > Whizzer pix & all). >> > >> > My bike (tentatively called the BAX) will be mounted in a Schwinn >> cruiser >> > frame in standard (non-sprung) and deluxe (springer fork, cycle lock >> + aux >> > tank) versions. Both will include a modern Stermy-Archer expander >> brake. I >> > plan on developing several appearance options (fishtail exhaust, >> mini-spot >> > lites) to compliment the bikes. I am still working out some minor >> > engineering details as to belt profiles and belt clearance but have >> worked >> > out the main problem of a clutch shaft adapter (expensive problem, >> > incidentally). >> > The Honda engine meets smog in all 50 states and will propel a 185lb >> guy >> > about 23mph at sea level... no speed demon for sure but adequate. >> > >> > I am interested in your resusitation of Whizzer and would like to >> obtain >> > dealer info---- I see you having a big hurdle overcoming the >> hundreds of >> > Whizzer owners out there knowing about the earlier machine's lousy >> > reputation--- and feel you must return to the seperate barrel/(best >> > w/hi-finned) head design--- getting as close to the H or J series as >> >> > possible. Carburation is problematical as Mikuni is the most >> established >> > mini-carb producer around, which sickens a lot of Tillotson purists. >> I am >> > extremely curious how you're going to overcome these problems, not >> to >> > mention smog certs, DOT approval, etc. >> > Are you planning to do any bi-light/generator reproduction? >> > Who's making your sheves? >> > >> > For Chrissake's keep in touch, you get going and I want to be a >> dealer!!! >> > >> > Jack Backstreet >> > 19004 E Chenango Cir >> > Aurora, CO 80015-4948 >> > >> > Fax: (303) 627-8032. >> > >> > >> > >> >> Speaking of strange vehicles any of you who have ever been to rural >> areas >> of italy have no doubt seen Piaggio's strange 3 wheel utility vehicle >> called the "ape" (bee in italian as opposed to "vespa" or wasp). It's >> got >> an enclosed cab in front with a regular car seat in it (only one) and >> an >> open pickup truck type cargo bay in the back. The steering is >> controlled >> by a scooter type handlebar with hand activated brakes i think. The >> wheels are no bigger than scooter wheels and the engine sounds like a >> scooter type engine - dont know how big it is. Anyway, this would be >> an >> ultracool vehicle to have here in US - good for rainy days when you >> dont >> wanna ride your ped. Anyone ever see one here? > >Jan 31, 98 > >Hi Guys: > >I was reading your message regarding the three wheeled vehicle. During >my tour of duty in Viet Nam, I used to see many of these vehicle. I >think that most of them were made by Lambretta. They used to be used >for pickup trucks to taxis. The Vietnamese really knew how to load them >down with anything that could hang on or be tied on. > >I haven't seen any of them here in the USA. > >See ya, > >Dan Johnson >Gunnison, CO 81230 > > > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:04:32 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802032139.PAA09632@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Tomos engine advice?]] You most certainly don't have a PUCH Maxi and a stock 70 or 60 cc kit. SOme mechanical modifications have to happen to get that kind of power-it is definitely possible. However, if you take a Stock Puch Maxi (like those we remember from the 70s), and you replace the carb/piston/cylinder with a speed kit. It will NOT do 55mph in 12 seconds. However, if you start looking at the chemistry and physics of the situation: power, efficiency,thermodynamics, stoichiomtry (I really don't know what I'm talking about). Then you conclude that you have to take some material off the skirt, perhaps hollow the piston out a little more, hmmm maybe even stick on a BIGGER carb than 15 mm, maybe even port those connections out even more. Then you have a kick ass bike. However, these finely tuned bikes don't take the variable of wear and tear into account. It is possible through physical modifications to make a 50 cc bike scream-top speed AND top accelleration. However, it gets to a point where it is so finely tuned that it is to be replaced every week or even less - some guys have to put on new parts every day; but they race for a living. Michael Liu On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:36:49 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Z28SS97420@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Tomos engine advice?]] > > > THAT ARTICLE ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE GREAT ACCLERATION AND A HIGH TOP > SPEED IS FALSE. I CAN GET TO ABOUT 55-60 IN ABOUT 12-SECONDS AND CAN HANG > WITH SOME CARS IN FIRST GEAR. > > BUDDY HALL > > > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:06:49 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802032137.PAA09553@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS Yes-you are absolutely right-that's why I ride in the breakdown lane (if one exists), however, I don't do 40 mph when I'm on the extreme right-that would be plain stupid....ooops here comes another mailbox!!! Michael Liu On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 00:03:30 -0800 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: proof@idt.net > Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS > > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:12:06 +0100 > > To: "Peter Staal" > > Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: daugava@nothnbut.net > > Onderwerp: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS > > > > >************************************************* > > >Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:50:00 -0400 (EDT) > > >To: <199801291619.KAA07910@mail.valuenet.net> > > >From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu > > >Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS > > > > > > > > >I have a used 60 cc piston/cyclinder assembly I want to get rid of for > > >$99. It's really not a bad thing if you really want the extra power. I put > > >less than 200 miles on it before upgrading to a 70 cc. The 60 cc kit > > >increased my top speed from 25 up to 37 mph. > > > > > >Michael Liu > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Michael, > > I guess that 90% of your gain in speed is made by the better porting of the > > other cylinder and has almost nothing to do with the cc's (unless you weight > > 100 kg or more)... > > :-) try to buy less cylinder in stead of more (more ports=less metal) 50cc > > is enough trust me. why do you think it is so popular ? because it is just > > not enough cc's? > > when used all cc's properly a 50cc will carry you at an av. of >60km/h for > > years. (37mph or more thus) > > > > Bye, Peter Staal > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Email: staal@concepts.nl > > Home: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Yes Peter but in the US we need alot more ACCELERATION because when you are first on line at a red light the > lovely motorists of this country have no patience or consideration for alternative vehicles. > > > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:09:46 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802032137.PAA09526@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: Tomos engine advice? I'd rather not get into a discussion about freedom of expression... You are correct, you have the right to respond in the way you feel best. It would just be nice to clarify your opinion with some kind of description. It's one thing to say that some one is unfair, however it's much different when you describe why that person is unfair. It's also much different if you call someone a cheat. It's the same message, one is just more substantial. But, that's just me!! I understand where you're coming from. Michael Liu On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:44:13 -0800 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: proof@idt.net > Subject: Re: Tomos engine advice? > > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:11:58 -0400 (EDT) > > To: <199801302228.QAA32484@mail.valuenet.net> > > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu > > Subject: Re: Tomos engine advice? > > > > I really think replies like this should not be on this list. I have dealt > > with Steve's Moped's and although everyone isn't perfect, the labor he has > > charged me for work he has done has been fair. Steve has to eat and he > > knows his way around mopeds. His labor rates aren't inherently high-there > > are competitive. Just my 2 cents worth. That's a hell of alot less than he > > charges but what do you expect for quality work? > > > > Michael Liu > > > > On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > > ************************************************* > > > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:20:49 -0800 > > > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > > > From: proof@idt.net > > > Subject: Re: Tomos engine advice? > > > > > > > > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > > > > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:22:31 EST > > > > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > > > > From: MOPEDMOPED@aol.com > > > > Subject: Re: Tomos engine advice? > > > > > > > > If your dealer is as smart as we are he could heat the Bi-turbo header pipe up > > > > to about 1,600 deg. and bend the header pipe to allow proper alignment with > > > > the Big-bore cylinder. It takes us about 60 seconds with an oxy-accetlyene > > > > torch. Then you can use the same exhaust. We can do this for you . We > > > > guarantee all our work in writing. > > > > Steve's Moped & Bicycle World Inc. 40 Park Ave. Dumont NJ (201)384-7777 > > > > E-mail MOPEDMOPED@AOL.COM We ship anywhere > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah too bad your labor charges are so outrageous > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok I have also dealt with Steve's and have found his rates to be not at all competitive. I was just expressing > that opinion. I am curious though - why do you think responses like this should not be on the mailing list? > This is not a one-way broadcasting medium for people's advertisements. Everyone on here has the right to > respond to any post that is put on here. > > > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:10:26 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802032138.PAA09608@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: Puch Speeeeeeed The Magnum is PORTED more than the Maxis-bigger cyclinders too. Michael Liu On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:39:07 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Z28SS97420@aol.com > Subject: Re: Puch Speeeeeeed > > > I HAVE A PUCH MAGNUM 2 80' THAT WILL DO ABOUT 60-65 ON FLAT SURFACES AND I > HAVE EVEN HIT 75 DOWN HILL. > > BUDDY HALL > > > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:15:55 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802032136.PAA09458@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: "Moped Digest" The two-speed and single speed Puchs from the 70s looked almost the same. One real discernible difference is the transmission-the single speeds where kind of cylindrical (round) and the teo speeds were more squarish. Michael Liu On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:59:42 -0500 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: SearsPucher@webtv.net > Subject: Re: "Moped Digest" > > > Hey Mike! > Never seen a 2-speed sears Puch, Pictues show engines are similar. I'd > like to experiment and see if over 60 or 65cc jugs will bolt-up. I'm > pretty confident on my gears, i'm in 4th by 20mph if I want. > One of the Sabres has been modified, I just haven't torn it down yet. > Carb is totally different, got it running once, went 50+ (crapped my > pants) took it home and parked it. Bob suggested chek with Steve's to > see if different jus would work. > > I'm Gone !!!!!!!!!! > > > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:16:48 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802032136.PAA09458@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: "Moped Digest" 4 speeds!!!!! woh-where can I get one of those tranny's? Michael Liu On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:59:42 -0500 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: SearsPucher@webtv.net > Subject: Re: "Moped Digest" > > > Hey Mike! > Never seen a 2-speed sears Puch, Pictues show engines are similar. I'd > like to experiment and see if over 60 or 65cc jugs will bolt-up. I'm > pretty confident on my gears, i'm in 4th by 20mph if I want. > One of the Sabres has been modified, I just haven't torn it down yet. > Carb is totally different, got it running once, went 50+ (crapped my > pants) took it home and parked it. Bob suggested chek with Steve's to > see if different jus would work. > > I'm Gone !!!!!!!!!! > > > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:09:09 -0800 To: agner@erols.com From: agner@erols.com Subject: Re: Vespa Piaggio daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 00:43:44 -0700 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: danyo@montrose.net > Subject: Re: Vespa Piaggio > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:02:47 -0800 > > To: agner@erols.com > > From: agner@erols.com > > Subject: Re: Vespa Piaggio > > > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > > > ************************************************* > > > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:23:11 -0700 > > > To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" > > > Subject: Vespa Piaggio > > > > > > Jan 19, 1998 > > > > > > Subject: Vespa Piaggio > > > > > > Hi everyone: > > > > > > I'm the new guy looking for a Peugeot Sport. However, while > > discussing > > > Vespas with a friend of mine, he mentioned that he had one for > > sale. I > > > thought he was talking about a scooter so I went and looked at it. > > > Turns out that it is a "piaggio" moped. It's a 1979 model and > > doesn't > > > look to be in bad shape. He wants $150 US. Anyone have any ideas > > as to > > > the value of this bike? Too Much? Good deal? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Dan Johnson > > Are you in Montrose, CO? AS for the VEspa, I have one and love it. > > It's > > a 1980. Parts are available through the shops in the US that support > > Vespa's. John from NJ > > Jan 31,98 > > John: > > No, I live in Gunnison but my server is in Montrose. Any idea what the > value high/low might be on the Piaggio? I understand from hitting every > moped link that I can find that the models vary. I'm going to find out > what the exact model is prior to even making an offer. I only ran > across this bike through a discussion I had regarding my restoration of > my 74 Yamaha TX500. The guy that has the Piaggio just said "Vespa" and > I went and took a short look at it....thought he meant a scooter. Might > be a fun ride though around here in the summer. > > Gotta run > > Dan Johnson It is a fun ride! In fact, I did quite a bit of biking in CO back in college in the 70's-B.A.:Metro State; M.A.:U.N.C., Greeley; Principal's Cert.: C.S.U. I rode a Kaw 400 triple and a 75 Norton Commando Interstate. I get down your way every few years--family in Denver, Gunnison, Canon City. The ped would be great on the flats, but I don't know how it would handle the canyons. Anyone have any experience riding a ped up a canyon? JOhn Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:11:59 -0800 To: agner@erols.com From: agner@erols.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle Idaugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 09:21:35 -0500 > To: moped mail > Subject: Moped vs. Motorcycle > > Hi everyone, > There's been all this talk about making mopeds faster. Some have > been mentioned to have bigger compression than 50cc and I wondered, if > not what classifies a bike as a moped and not a motorcycle, and where > the line is drawn? > JLove It probably varies state to state. In NJ it can't exceed 49cc or a top speed of 30 mph, and in NJ it can't carry a passenger. However, the ped I have was bought in PA and it was classified as a cycle on the PA title. I probably could have registered it as a cycle but didn't so my son can ride it when he turns 15. John from NJ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:34:05 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Z28SS97420@aol.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle HELLO, ARE YOU SERIOUS THAT THE SPEED KITS ARE ILEAGAL, I DON'T THINK THEY ARE IN MY STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, I HAVE FIVE FRIENDS THAT I STEET RACE WITH THAT ALL HAVE HAD SPEED KITS AND HAVE NEVER BEEN PULLED FOR THAT REASON. I DON'T REALLY CARE IF IT IS LEAGAL OR NOT, I MEAN COME ON WHO IT GOING TO NOTICE IF IT IS 65CC'S OR IF IT HAS A SPEED KIT! COPS AROUND HERE DON'T KNOW THE MOPED LAW!!!!!!!!! Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:50:24 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Z28SS97420@aol.com Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS HELLO, ABOUT WHAT SOMEONE wrote about the red light accleration you are right. WHEN i am beside a car at a red light, they laugh and so i rev, my moped up and they laugh more, so i give it all it's got and i show that person what a true MOPED is. They weren't laughing anymore. Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:52:39 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Z28SS97420@aol.com Subject: Re: Puch info and parts catalog hello, Is there a such thing as NOS on a moped? Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 21:31:05 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: drstupid@usa.net Subject: Re: [50cc top speed] daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 11:33:04 -0500 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: 6828t@bright.net > Subject: 50cc top speed > > > > I was looking on the net one night and found a link about moped's top > speed. From the article I read it was set in England At around 135 mph. Of > course it did not look very much like a moped, but it was under the shell > that they added to streamline it. The article is on the web if you care to > look it up!!! > Thank You > Bob Taylor > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:15:08 -0400 (EDT) > > To: <199801302229.QAA32584@mail.valuenet.net> > > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu > > Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Tomos engine advice?]] > > > > The fastest moped on the planet isn't 50 cc. There is a point when you > > trade top speed for acceleration. Anyone can gear up a moped to go 55 > > mph top speed with sprockets and speed kits, but at a certain point the > > acceleration starts to stink. You may be able to go 55-60 mph, but it > > will take 5 minutes to get there from a stop. What is it that you want? > > Great acceleration or great top speed-you can't have both unless you get > > a motorcycle. > > > > Michael Liu > What's the URL?? DS ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 21:45:28 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: drstupid@usa.net Subject: Re: [Re: Puch Speeeeeeed] daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:39:07 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Z28SS97420@aol.com > Subject: Re: Puch Speeeeeeed > > > I HAVE A PUCH MAGNUM 2 80' THAT WILL DO ABOUT 60-65 ON FLAT SURFACES AND I > HAVE EVEN HIT 75 DOWN HILL. > > BUDDY HALL > What have you done to it?? DS ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:11:07 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: drstupid@usa.net Subject: Re: [Fw: Derbi scooters] daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:52:08 -0600 > To: "Mailing List" > Subject: Fw: Derbi scooters > > > -------- reply to Quentin <666554@keysmac.com> ------- > We expect to begin stocking new Derbi scooters in three weeks. Our local > motorcycle dealer is selling 55+ mph 50cc ultra-modern units for around > $2200. They look like a Zuma that's been modernized. > > Keywesst@aol.com > Are you planning to stock the derbi mopeds ever?? DS ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:17:38 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: SearsPucher@webtv.net Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle I was lead to believe, in Ohio, Mopeds have a peddle mechanism, under 50cc., less than 5hp, and stays at 25mph or under. My Cleveland Cop son-in-law agrees but he didn't know motorcycles prior to 1968 don't require turn signals, or suicide knobs are illegal !!!!!! I'm Gone !!!!!!!!!! Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 12:07:09 -0700 To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" Subject: Seat cover for Vespa Grande Feb 4, 98 To: All moped parts vendors: Just purchased a piaggio grande. I need a seat cover that has the name on the back so that I can keep it original. Please let me know the cost for this item. I'll have it installed where I live. Thanks, Dan Johnson Gunnison, CO Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:52:38 +0100 To: "Peter Staal" Subject: Re: SEARS PUCH -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: daugava@nothnbut.net Onderwerp: SEARS PUCH ************************************************* Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:44:50 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: C104@webtv.net Subject: SEARS PUCH Hi, I'm John located near Cleveland Ohio. There is a Sears Motorcycle Club. I my self have 2 that my wife would sell but I won"t. There are some out and about. I can contact club for you if you'd like or find Bill Murar.(He's Pres. of Club) I have 2 1967 Sears "sabres" They're 50cc Puch's with 4 speed transmissons. Thank You, JJ What is the contact adress from the club because i think we share the same kick for egg -shaped tanks and the puch sound. see: Bye, Peter Staal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: staal@concepts.nl Home: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:58:54 +0100 To: "Peter Staal" Subject: Re: Puch Speeeeeeed -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: daugava@nothnbut.net Onderwerp: Puch Speeeeeeed ************************************************* Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:00:22 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: SearsPucher@webtv.net Subject: Puch Speeeeeeed OK OK OK Let me get this staight. You guys are taking 25mph Puchs, adding 60 or 70 cc jugs, better carb, expansion chamber. Then going 40+ mph???? MMM Lets see my 67's are 4 speeds that do 40+, what would happen if I went with a 70cc set-up??? -->depends on porting and timing ~50-60+ I wonder if bolt pattern is same? Have to remember forced air cooling system on mine. Anyone have any ideas? -- saw it off, no need for :-) I do have a complete parts bike to experiment with. What's the fastest Puch speeeeeed???? well over 100 mph.. (no more forced aircooling here) I'm Gone!!!!!!! Bye, Peter Staal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: staal@concepts.nl Home: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:11:23 +0100 To: "Peter Staal" Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Tomos engine advice?]] -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: daugava@nothnbut.net Onderwerp: Re: [Re: [Re: Tomos engine advice?]] >************************************************* >Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:15:08 -0400 (EDT) >To: <199801302229.QAA32584@mail.valuenet.net> >From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu >Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Tomos engine advice?]] > > >The fastest moped on the planet isn't 50 cc. There is a point when you >trade top speed for acceleration. Anyone can gear up a moped to go 55 >mph top speed with sprockets and speed kits, but at a certain point the >acceleration starts to stink. You may be able to go 55-60 mph, but it >will take 5 minutes to get there from a stop. What is it that you want? >Great acceleration or great top speed-you can't have both unless you get >a motorcycle. > >Michael Liu > > > or do a good tuning job 50-60 cruising speed is very good possible with 50cc. And with a good accelerating too, it all depends on your gearing :) and as automatic drivers(all who this conserns) you don't have, one execpt the chain wheels, bad luck indeed :-) Btw for me are mopeds 50cc and smaller (55 - 60 -65 - 70 cc are gained by oversizing during the wear and tear of the cylinder) (getting to personal ?) Peter. Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:36:54 +0100 To: "Peter Staal" Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: daugava@nothnbut.net Onderwerp: The Tomos saga continues... >************************************************* >Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 02:41:47 -0500 >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: pinhead@ufl.edu >Subject: The Tomos saga continues... > > >Finally had some time this weekend to sit down and start inspecting Mr. >Tomos. > >First order of business was a change of tranny oil. I drained and >inspected the current contents of the gearbox, and aside from trace >amounts of what I assume is clutch dust, it was pure and clean. > >At this point, I figured I was in a good position to open up the gearbox >(right side) and have a look. And everything appears fine. > >The inside of the case was clean and free of residue and sludge. The >gears themselves were in perfect condition, free from cracks, scratches, >discoloration, uneven wear, or other signs of abuse. I'm no expert on >centrifugal clutches, but they appeared to be doing all right in terms >of lining. > >Satisfied, I gave everything a quick wipe, then bolted it back together >and topped it off with fresh fluid. > >Next, I pulled and inspected the plug. Again, flawless. The center >insulator was a proper shade of brown, the electrodes appeared >undamaged, and were gapped at just a hair over the manuals spec of .5mm, >looked like about .55 or .6 on my universal feeler. A slight oily coat >on the electrodes, but nothing too terribly thick. It isn't arcing. A >little anti-seize on the threads and back in goes the plug. > >Next, with all the talk of exhausts, I decided to inspect mine. So I >removed the pipe from the cylinder. First, a quick inspection of the >exhaust port itself revealed little. Aside from a fairly rough casting >it was clean and clear. > >The exhaust pipe was another matter. > >Knowing that restriction is not our friend, I cleaned up the mating >surface of the pipe, pressed it against my lips, and gave a nice, smooth >exhale. I could not believe the amount of back-pressure! Felt like >something was clogging the pipe! > >One set-screw later I had removed the baffle on the end, and I tried it >again. Smooth as silk this time. No restriction at all. So being the >naturally curious bastard that I am, I bolted my new straight-pipe >exhaust back onto the bike, and took it out for a spin. > >Aside from being rather louder, I was quite disappointed. Throttle >response is definately somewhat quicker up on the kickstand, but on the >road, my digital speedo says I've gained about 1 mph of top speed at >wide-open throttle, downhill. And worse, my climbing performance is >totally unchanged. > >So, back on with the cleaned-out baffle, and back to the drawing board. >It feels almost like this bike has a governor on it that's keeping me at >30mph. > >Why is it that I have to hot-rod every vehicle I get into? :) > > -=>Joe Perez<=- > -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=- > > > Hi Joe, I think you where almost there.... next time also remove the head and cylinder, check the ports sizes in/out/and between i think you 'll see a small exhaust port . make this (upwards to the head) at least 1/4 to 1/3 of the stroke high with a file , smoothen the edges with fine waterproofsandpaper and done with part one. the back pressure you experienced with your pipe was possible to much but a little is ok (not blowable to feel) it all has to do with a tuned exhaust pipe as topping on your filing work. but an standard expansion chamberpipe will do, with a short as possible manifold to the cylinder . biturbo or some of that crap. now it will be time to get some more compression and get 1 or 2 mm from the heads flange with sanding paper ( with tape on the edge on a thick glass plate) and go from rough to very fine sandpaper and move it very good horizontaly over it, assuring a horizontal wear of the flange (for about 2 hours :-) ) make sure the surface is perfect flat again and use a new gasket.. pjoo. Peter. (try to file mm by mm and monage it again and try it out , don't over do it.) a fresh set of carb jets might come in handy to while doing this or use a resizable jet if possible. Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:35:38 +0100 To: "Peter Staal" Subject: Re: Puch Speeeeeeed -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: daugava@nothnbut.net Onderwerp: Re: Puch Speeeeeeed >************************************************* >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:39:07 EST >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: Z28SS97420@aol.com >Subject: Re: Puch Speeeeeeed > > >I HAVE A PUCH MAGNUM 2 80' THAT WILL DO ABOUT 60-65 ON FLAT SURFACES AND I >HAVE EVEN HIT 75 DOWN HILL. > > BUDDY HALL > > > Mph or Km ? real or on the speedometer ? What carb, cyl, exh. do you use ? Peter. Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:54:43 +0100 To: "Peter Staal" Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: daugava@nothnbut.net Onderwerp: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS >************************************************* >Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 00:03:30 -0800 >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: proof@idt.net >Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS > > >daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: >> >> ************************************************* >> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:12:06 +0100 >> To: "Peter Staal" >> Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: daugava@nothnbut.net >> Onderwerp: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS >> >> >************************************************* >> >Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:50:00 -0400 (EDT) >> >To: <199801291619.KAA07910@mail.valuenet.net> >> >From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu >> >Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS >> > >> > >> >I have a used 60 cc piston/cyclinder assembly I want to get rid of for >> >$99. It's really not a bad thing if you really want the extra power. I put >> >less than 200 miles on it before upgrading to a 70 cc. The 60 cc kit >> >increased my top speed from 25 up to 37 mph. >> > >> >Michael Liu >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Michael, >> I guess that 90% of your gain in speed is made by the better porting of the >> other cylinder and has almost nothing to do with the cc's (unless you weight >> 100 kg or more)... >> :-) try to buy less cylinder in stead of more (more ports=less metal) 50cc >> is enough trust me. why do you think it is so popular ? because it is just >> not enough cc's? >> when used all cc's properly a 50cc will carry you at an av. of >60km/h for >> years. (37mph or more thus) >> >> Bye, Peter Staal >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Email: staal@concepts.nl >> Home: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Yes Peter but in the US we need alot more ACCELERATION because when you are first on line at a red light the >lovely motorists of this country have no patience or consideration for alternative vehicles. > > > A good porting job gives you more rpms and more POWER so more acceleration too even at low rpm. When combined with a 3 or 4 gear ped you leave all cars behind you in the city traffic. i guess 4Hp will do the job for that, and that is just moderate tuning, leave enough room for errors to do the job jour selve. Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssst is as fast in the Us. Here it is a jungle too, acceleration is life saver nr 1 here, considering the average lenght of a street here. Some roads have more meters crossing than open road :-) . And i guess you never heared of "verkeersremmendemaatregelen" = 'trafic speed reducing objects' on the road, real killers some times, what about bicycle lanes (you are forced to use, till next year) from 80 cm wide... including front coming others.. to get a normal average speed, acceleration is essential. And ofcoarse for a wheely :-). Peter. Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:14:40 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... In a message dated 98-02-03 03:47:19 EST, you write: << So, back on with the cleaned-out baffle, and back to the drawing board. It feels almost like this bike has a governor on it that's keeping me at 30mph. >> The stock Tomos pipe has an "S" bend (kink?) in it to increase backpressure, all the baffel really does is keep thing quiet. Plus, remember that exhaling is definitely neither the amount nor velocity of engine exaust gases. The stock pipe also has maybe a quarter inch diameter hole at the end, while the Biturbo pipe has about a one inch opening at the end, and no kink. ;-) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:17:33 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle In a message dated 98-02-03 16:39:05 EST, you write: << The speed kits are NOT INTENDED FOR STREET USE. THEY ARE FOR OFF ROAD USE ONLY!!! >> And yet, no-one cares. Not even the BMV. (I licensed my Targa with the supposedly competition only Biturbo no problem, the guy looked right at it.) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:23:02 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Tomos engine advice? In a message dated 98-02-03 16:41:09 EST, you write: << Ok I have also dealt with Steve's and have found his rates to be not at all competitive. I was just expressing that opinion. I am curious though - why do you think responses like this should not be on the mailing list? This is not a one-way broadcasting medium for people's advertisements. Everyone on here has the right to respond to any post that is put on here. >> Define competitive, if I offer a service that no-one else does, how can you compare my rate to anyone elce's? Also, how many moped shops are there anyway? It's not like automotive shops, which are around almost every corner (we have 3 in a town of maybe 4,500 people). As far as I know there is only one moped place in the metro Toledo area. If I save $10 by taking the 'ped to place "X", but it costs me $12 to get the 'ped to place "X", it is not worth it. Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 22:45:51 -0500 To: chrislo@cfw.com From: chrislo@cfw.com Subject: zakopane couldnt find any more info on that puch sticker or whatever it was. i assume tho, that zakopane at least held races at some time. i believe they bid for upcoming olympic winter games... Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 22:51:27 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: 6828t@bright.net Subject: Re: Puch Speeeeeeed You most have a death wish!!! And people call me crazy!!!! LOL LOL daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:39:07 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Z28SS97420@aol.com > Subject: Re: Puch Speeeeeeed > > I HAVE A PUCH MAGNUM 2 80' THAT WILL DO ABOUT 60-65 ON FLAT SURFACES AND I > HAVE EVEN HIT 75 DOWN HILL. > > BUDDY HALL Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 23:02:42 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: 6828t@bright.net Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Tomos engine advice?]] --------------41879567703D12D628A071A2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Mr. Sleepy It's time to wake up!!!!! It sounds like a nice story. What kind of moped do you have? WAKE UP. Sorry I guess it is your story so you can tell it anyway that you want!!!! Thank You Bob T. daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:36:49 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Z28SS97420@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Tomos engine advice?]] > > THAT ARTICLE ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE GREAT ACCLERATION AND A HIGH TOP > SPEED IS FALSE. I CAN GET TO ABOUT 55-60 IN ABOUT 12-SECONDS AND CAN HANG > WITH SOME CARS IN FIRST GEAR. > > BUDDY HALL --------------41879567703D12D628A071A2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mr. Sleepy It's time to wake up!!!!! It sounds like a nice story. What kind of moped do you have? WAKE UP. Sorry I guess it is your story so you can tell it anyway that you want!!!! Thank You Bob T. daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: ************************************************* --------------41879567703D12D628A071A2-- Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 23:03:23 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: pinhead@ufl.edu Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > The stock Tomos pipe has an "S" bend (kink?) in it to increase backpressure, > all the baffel really does is keep thing quiet. Plus, remember that exhaling > is definitely neither the amount nor velocity of engine exaust gases. The > stock pipe also has maybe a quarter inch diameter hole at the end, while the > Biturbo pipe has about a one inch opening at the end, and no kink. ;-) Hmmm. There is no bend externally visable (other than the transition from the cylinder to a horizontal position facing the rear) but there may be something screwey inside the muff. I think I shall run a fish tape through to get a feel for what's in there. I'm also remarkably tempted to just remove the exhaust altogether and see what that does for me. By the time I'm done, this thing is going to sound like my friend Dave's 455 GTO :) -=>Joe Perez<=- -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=- Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 23:12:38 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: pinhead@ufl.edu Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > I think you where almost there.... > next time also remove the head and cylinder, check the ports sizes > in/out/and between > i think you 'll see a small exhaust port . make this (upwards to the head) > at least 1/4 to 1/3 of the stroke high with a file By altering the piston-side of the port, will I not in effect be completely screwing with the port timing? If the port runs 1/3 of the stroke, It seems like I'll be wasting a lot of burn time! > smoothen the edges with > fine waterproofsandpaper and done with part one. Polishing is easy. Porting still scares me. > the back pressure you experienced with your pipe was possible to much but a > little is ok (not blowable to feel) True. But even removing the little pipes on the back, there was a noticable difference. > it all has to do with a tuned exhaust > pipe as topping on your filing work. but an standard expansion chamberpipe > will do, with a short as possible manifold to the cylinder . biturbo or some > of that crap. I still don't quite understand what these "biturbo" exhaust systems are. Glasspacks? Larger baffles? Something I've never seen or heard of? > now it will be time to get some more compression and get 1 or 2 mm from the > heads flange with sanding paper ( with tape on the edge on a thick glass Great. I can just see myself pouring 93 octane into my Tomos. "This thing has a higher compression ratio than a 'Vette!" But seriously. I may cc the head and do the deck height calculations. Any suggestions on a reasonable compression ratio to shoot for? I *AM* driving this thing in Florida, in the summer, in stop and go traffic for some part. -=>Joe Perez<=- -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=- Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 21:53:15 -0700 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: danyo@montrose.net Subject: Re: Vespa Piaggio daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:09:09 -0800 > To: agner@erols.com > From: agner@erols.com > Subject: Re: Vespa Piaggio > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 00:43:44 -0700 > > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > > From: danyo@montrose.net > > Subject: Re: Vespa Piaggio > > > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > > ************************************************* > > > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:02:47 -0800 > > > To: agner@erols.com > > > From: agner@erols.com > > > Subject: Re: Vespa Piaggio > > > > > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > > > > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:23:11 -0700 > > > > To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" > > > > Subject: Vespa Piaggio > > > > > > > > Jan 19, 1998 > > > > > > > > Subject: Vespa Piaggio > > > > > > > > Hi everyone: > > > > > > > > I'm the new guy looking for a Peugeot Sport. However, while > > > discussing > > > > Vespas with a friend of mine, he mentioned that he had one for > > > sale. I > > > > thought he was talking about a scooter so I went and looked at > it. > > > > Turns out that it is a "piaggio" moped. It's a 1979 model and > > > doesn't > > > > look to be in bad shape. He wants $150 US. Anyone have any > ideas > > > as to > > > > the value of this bike? Too Much? Good deal? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Dan Johnson > > > Are you in Montrose, CO? AS for the VEspa, I have one and love > it. > > > It's > > > a 1980. Parts are available through the shops in the US that > support > > > Vespa's. John from NJ > > > > Jan 31,98 > > > > John: > > > > No, I live in Gunnison but my server is in Montrose. Any idea what > the > > value high/low might be on the Piaggio? I understand from hitting > every > > moped link that I can find that the models vary. I'm going to find > out > > what the exact model is prior to even making an offer. I only ran > > across this bike through a discussion I had regarding my restoration > of > > my 74 Yamaha TX500. The guy that has the Piaggio just said "Vespa" > and > > I went and took a short look at it....thought he meant a scooter. > Might > > be a fun ride though around here in the summer. > > > > Gotta run > > > > Dan Johnson > It is a fun ride! In fact, I did quite a bit of biking in CO back in > college in the 70's-B.A.:Metro State; M.A.:U.N.C., Greeley; > Principal's > Cert.: C.S.U. I rode a Kaw 400 triple and a 75 Norton Commando > Interstate. I get down your way every few years--family in Denver, > Gunnison, Canon City. The ped would be great on the flats, but I > don't > know how it would handle the canyons. Anyone have any experience > riding > a ped up a canyon? JOhn Feb 4, 1998 John: I graduated from Metro State as well>>>>BA in Music Ed. However, after my first teaching job, I found that I do better outside of the teaching field. Went to work for the Postal Service and am now the Supervisor at the Gunnison Post Office. If you get to Gunnison, you'll know where to find me. Seems like I live there. I bought the Piaggio just today. Turns out it is a Grande. Picked it up for a "C" note. As I live only four miles north of town, it should be great for a work machine. My Ford truck is really a gas hog. Anyway, drop me a line periodically. Dan Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:59:27 -0500 (EST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... > Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 23:03:23 -0500 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: pinhead@ufl.edu > Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... > I'm also remarkably tempted to just remove the exhaust altogether and > see what that does for me. I haven't followed this thread, but if Tomos is a two-stroke, you won't like the result from removing the exhaust. It's a critical component to two-stroke engines. ~ Danny ~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ syracuse ska!! Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:56:18 -0700 (MST) To: Subject: Re: What are these?? >************************************************* >Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:15:49 -0500 (EST) >To: Moped Mailing List >Subject: What are these?? > > > >Found this website of a place in FL selling 50cc scooters, but there is no >hint who makes them ... check them out at >tell me what you think ... I'm guessing some company in Taiwan, China or >Korea, but it's pretty hard to tell ... thanks! > > ~ Danny ~ > >~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ >syracuse ska!! > > >Weird web site... the PRICES page is under construction???? Anyhoo... they appear to be 2 strokers of the mutant Honda body style ilk... forgive me, I'm still trying to adjust my eyes after looking at that web site's background design. Nope, no I'm gonna be sick... Jack Backstreet Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:15:58 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS In a message dated 98-02-04 21:10:18 EST, you write: << ABOUT WHAT SOMEONE wrote about the red light accleration you are right. WHEN i am beside a car at a red light, they laugh and so i rev, my moped up and they laugh more, so i give it all it's got and i show that person what a true MOPED is. They weren't laughing anymore. >> when i first read this, i got a good laugh out of it. i think it would be cool to have a stock looking ped thats been modified for power so you can show these idiots something else. last summer i took my scooter to the beach and cruised up and down the strip. these jocks with hi powered bikes were making fun of me on my little 50cc scooter yet the speed limit was 30mph and/or they wanted to ride slow to show off so i could keep up with them just fine. go figure. i thought everyone was equal when on two wheels. guess not. Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:42:10 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: pinhead@ufl.edu Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > I haven't followed this thread, but if Tomos is a two-stroke, you won't > like the result from removing the exhaust. It's a critical component to > two-stroke engines. It is a two-cycle, yes. Dare I even open this can of worms by asking why? -=>Joe Perez<=- -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=- Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:24:40 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... In a message dated 98-02-05 10:16:19 EST, you write: << > I'm also remarkably tempted to just remove the exhaust altogether and > see what that does for me. I haven't followed this thread, but if Tomos is a two-stroke, you won't like the result from removing the exhaust. It's a critical component to two-stroke engines. >> i was running my qt50 around once with no exhaust and someone told me i shouldnt do that because that will "burn it up" i know that running a 4stroke motor without exhaust pipe can burn the valves, but what about 2 stroke motors? Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:02:55 -0500 (EST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Motobecane Hey, after seeing all this talk about the Tomas peds, I was wondering any one out there have any experience with Motobecane peds? I am working on restoring a Motobecane Cady and I need a muffler and headlight/speedo assembly. If anyone has any hints for me that would be great. Also are there any hopup kits for Motobecanes. I live in Toronto, Ontario and extra speed is alway apreciated. Especially since I am up against many crazy drivers I need all the help I can get. Regards, Greg Hessels Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:25:33 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5CA644CF60E1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:15:58 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com > Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS > > In a message dated 98-02-04 21:10:18 EST, you write: > > << ABOUT WHAT SOMEONE wrote about the red light accleration you are > right. > WHEN i am beside a car at a red light, they laugh and so i rev, my moped up > and they laugh more, so i give it all it's got and i show that person what a > true MOPED is. They weren't laughing anymore. > >> > > when i first read this, i got a good laugh out of it. i think it would be cool > to have a stock looking ped thats been modified for power so you can show > these idiots something else. > last summer i took my scooter to the beach and cruised up and down the strip. > these jocks with hi powered bikes were making fun of me on my little 50cc > scooter yet the speed limit was 30mph and/or they wanted to ride slow to show > off so i could keep up with them just fine. go figure. i thought everyone was > equal when on two wheels. guess not. Let me repost this as it seems the previous didn't make it through: the world speed record in the 50cc class was set back in 1965 by a Kreidler 2-stroke powered little cigar-like machine that clocked in at 223 kmh. So much for ridicule. Remember folks, it is not the size that counts but the delivery! PA ANDREW: The picture is at /d/moped/kr-meo65.jpg Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 12:55:43 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802050307.VAA13429@ns1.networkusa.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle Just becasue something is against the law, doesn't mean people don't to it. A moped in NY is uncer 50cc and 30mph-above that it's not a moped. Michael Liu On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:34:05 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Z28SS97420@aol.com > Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle > > > HELLO, > > ARE YOU SERIOUS THAT THE SPEED KITS ARE ILEAGAL, I DON'T THINK THEY > ARE IN MY STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, I HAVE FIVE FRIENDS THAT I STEET RACE WITH > THAT ALL HAVE HAD SPEED KITS AND HAVE NEVER BEEN PULLED FOR THAT REASON. I > DON'T REALLY CARE IF IT IS LEAGAL OR NOT, I MEAN COME ON WHO IT GOING TO > NOTICE IF IT IS 65CC'S OR IF IT HAS A SPEED KIT! COPS AROUND HERE DON'T KNOW > THE MOPED LAW!!!!!!!!! > > > Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:59:41 -0600 (CST) To: cyclepro@evansville.net From: cyclepro@evansville.net Subject: Brother Hood On Thu, 5 Feb, daugava@nothnbut.net wrote... >************************************************* >Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:15:58 EST >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com >Subject: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS > > >In a message dated 98-02-04 21:10:18 EST, you write: > ><< ABOUT WHAT SOMEONE wrote about the red light accleration you are >right. > WHEN i am beside a car at a red light, they laugh and so i rev, my moped up > and they laugh more, so i give it all it's got and i show that person what a > true MOPED is. They weren't laughing anymore. > >> > > >when i first read this, i got a good laugh out of it. i think it would be cool >to have a stock looking ped thats been modified for power so you can show >these idiots something else. >last summer i took my scooter to the beach and cruised up and down the strip. >these jocks with hi powered bikes were making fun of me on my little 50cc >scooter yet the speed limit was 30mph and/or they wanted to ride slow to show >off so i could keep up with them just fine. go figure. i thought everyone was >equal when on two wheels. guess not. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE EQUAL THING.....BUT IN MY BOOK DEFINATELY A BROTHER.....GREG Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 15:02:19 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802052111.MAA22198@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: Motobecane I know for certain that Mickey of Mickey's Mopeds (not of Disney!!!) has experience with Motobecanes. He has a whole bunch of brand new parts all sorted by part number. I'm not talking a few drawers, I'm talking like 10x30 or 300 drawers (I'm going from memory). Mickey is in the process of expanding his business-more space, so he may be a little wrapped up in that. However, it is off season so if you're still riding your moped now, you've got to be a moped nut (like me). I encourage you to write to him at tomostomos@aol.com. Michael Liu On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:02:55 -0500 (EST) > To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Motobecane > > > Hey, after seeing all this talk about the Tomas peds, I was wondering any > one out there have any experience with Motobecane peds? I am working on > restoring a Motobecane Cady and I need a muffler and headlight/speedo > assembly. If anyone has any hints for me that would be great. Also are > there any hopup kits for Motobecanes. I live in Toronto, Ontario and extra > speed is alway apreciated. Especially since I am up against many crazy > drivers I need all the help I can get. > > Regards, > Greg Hessels > > > > Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 15:08:53 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802052112.MAA22247@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle Speed kits are no illegal. A moped is a two weeled contraption with pedals, reflectors in certain parts, a rear view mirror, under 50 cc and under 30 mph (in NY). Annything a user does to deviate from this makes it no longer a moped and subject to different regulations. Moped shops that sell speed kits do so with the clear intent THAT THE PARTS ARE NOT MEANT FOR STREET USE. What the end user does, is therefore the users responsiblity. If you go to wal-mart and buy a bottle asprin and take the whole bottle, wal-mart isn't responsible becasue whomever did that is using the item for which it was not intended. If there was contamination in the bottle, that's a different issue. Anyone who buys a Biturbo pipe is free to do with it what they want. A dealer will make it clear that it is for off road use on a moped only. You can take it and stick it on your Toyota Camrey if you really want to. You can even stick tennis balls in it and use it like a cannon, or you can even use it as a baseball bat. However, it was sold to be used for one purpose only and when you choose to use it for some other creative purpose-it is your own responsibility. Michael Liu Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:12:02 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Z28SS97420@aol.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle MOPEDS? I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE FROM BUT ARUOUND HERE WE DON'T EVEN CONSIDER TAKING OUT MOPED'S OFF ROAD, THEY ARE STRICKLY STREET DRIVEN. Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:25:28 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Z28SS97420@aol.com Subject: Re: Puch Speeeeeeed NOPE, I JUST HAVE THE NEED FOR SPEED Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:32:39 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle In a message dated 98-02-04 21:08:43 EST, you write: << I was lead to believe, in Ohio, Mopeds have a peddle mechanism, under 50cc., less than 5hp, and stays at 25mph or under. >> Ohio they must have a top speed (level ground) of no more than 20mph, no more than 1 brake horsepower, a provision to be pedaled, 50cc or less, and an automatic transmission. No one really cares though. The cop across the street knows that my ped can hit 40 (stock Targa LX w/ exception of Biturbo exaust), but doesn't care. More importantly, the patrollman I passed (he was stopped on the roadside) while going 40 didn't care either. Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:40:55 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... In a message dated 98-02-04 23:41:35 EST, you write: << I still don't quite understand what these "biturbo" exhaust systems are. Glasspacks? Larger baffles? Something I've never seen or heard of? >> The Biturbo is simply an aftermarket exaust that has no baffel, has an expansion chamber, and has roughly a 4X larger opening at the end compared to the stock pipe. They cost around $100, give or take $15. Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:45:01 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... In a message dated 98-02-05 10:16:19 EST, you write: << but if Tomos is a two-stroke >> IF!? To the best of my knowledge, the only 4-stroke 'peds ever built were Hondas. Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:35:12 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle In a message dated 98-02-04 21:09:27 EST, you write: << ARE YOU SERIOUS THAT THE SPEED KITS ARE ILEAGAL, I DON'T THINK THEY ARE IN MY STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, I HAVE FIVE FRIENDS THAT I STEET RACE WITH THAT ALL HAVE HAD SPEED KITS AND HAVE NEVER BEEN PULLED FOR THAT REASON. I DON'T REALLY CARE IF IT IS LEAGAL OR NOT, I MEAN COME ON WHO IT GOING TO NOTICE IF IT IS 65CC'S OR IF IT HAS A SPEED KIT! COPS AROUND HERE DON'T KNOW THE MOPED LAW!!!!!!!!! >> Yes, the larger displacement kits technically make the moped a motorcycle, but you are right that the cops can't tell, even if they could I don't believe that they would ever stop you unless you were over the posted speed limit, or had obvious defects with your 'ped (missing a headlight, etc.). Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:43:54 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... In a message dated 98-02-04 23:41:36 EST, you write: << I'm also remarkably tempted to just remove the exhaust altogether and see what that does for me. >> Probably get you arrested for disturbing the peace. ;-) My guess is that the 'ped would become too loud for anything resembling distance riding. I was told that the stock pipe has a kink in it, but I have not seen one yet (I bought my Targa with the Biturbo installed). I may be mistaken. Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:19:30 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: PedAction@aol.com Subject: my moped experience Hey Kids! I am going to tell you a little story about a boy named Matt and his moped. It goes like this. It is a true story that happened to me just about an hour ago. Some of you will know the people involved, some will not. Just bear with me. Today I was riding my ped with Jess Wright and Jeremy Clegg. Well, It was a sort of scooter race to see who could catch who. Actually it was more like me catching up to Jess to throw a snowball at him, but who pays attention to details? Anyway, for those of you who know the streets of our lovely town, I was driving on Capitol toward Harrison from my house. Jess was about 20 feet ahead of me, and the light turned yellow as he crossed the intersection. I blatently ran the red light in continuance of my pursuit. Well, I didn't see the cop until I was clearly in violation of the law. I honked my little horn as a warning to Jess that we were in danger. After 2 turns, and about 3 blocks, we gave up the idea that we were going to out run the police. Upon pulling over, friendly Officer Borth examined our driver's licenses. I learned today that it is unlawful to ride a moped with out a helmet. But as with many facets of the law, there is a catch, and today happened to be my lucky day. The helmet law only applies to those under the age of 18. Well, since I am 18, this superfluous law did not apply to me. The nice officer withdrew his comment to the dispatcher that there were two juvinile delinquints and made the correction to one juvenile in violation of the law. I was off the hook, and Jess was in the police car. After getting all of the pertinent information, Officer Borth let Jess go with a firm lecture and a $50.00 helmet violation. Now, many of you may be wondering " Where is Jeremy?" Boy #3 was smart enough to do do three things. 1. stop at the red light 2. realize he was in violation of not only the helmet statute, but also lacking eye protection. 3. take every alley and back road possible to get home instead of going back to see if his buddies got busted. Well, This is the end of the story of my third altercation with our fine police force with no penalties. I thank you if you have read this far, and if you haven't then you aren't reading right now so I will shut up. M@tt Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 20:52:05 -0500 To: chrislo@cfw.com From: chrislo@cfw.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle >What the end user does, is therefore the users > responsiblity. Anyone who buys a Biturbo pipe is free to do with it what they want. when you choose to use it for some other creative > purpose-it is your own responsibility. here we go again. any ambulance-chasing lawyer will tell you otherwise. its anyones fault but yours. cause an accident and the insurance company finds you've made your ped faster, they most certainly will not pay, so you'll have to raise money somehow; you'll likely be sued by the other party, so all thats left is to try to sue the dealer for selling the evil kit to you. Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 20:51:03 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: SearsPucher@webtv.net Subject: Re: SEARS PUCH Sears Allstate Motorcycle Owners Club Bill Murar (Pres.) SAMOC@Juno.com Motorcycles, Mopeds, Scooters, Vespa, Puch, you name it, every member different!!!!!! I'm Gone !!!!!!!!!! Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:50:16 +0100 To: Subject: Re: "Moped Digest" ---------- > Van: daugava@nothnbut.net > Aan: Moped Digest > Datum: maandag 2 februari 1998 1:12 > > > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: proof@idt.net > Subject: Re: Long distance tour > > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:07:20 -0500 (EST) > > To: Moped Mailing List > > Subject: Re: Long distance tour > > > > On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 proof@idt.net wrote: > > > Wow fantastic. Go to www.vespa.com to read about a guy who is going > > > aroud the world on a scooter. I think he is in central america right now > > > on his way to alaska. then it's on to siberia. Good site for > > > inspiration. > > > > Actually, comparing a 200cc Vespa scooter with a top cruising speed of > > 65mph to a moped doesn't seem very fair. OTOH, last summer I met an older > > couple from Italy that had ridden their early Lambretta scooters across > > the USA. His was a '47 Lambretta Model "A" with a top speed of about > > 35mph and they simply just planned their route well and took their time > -- > > not that they had a big choice. ; ) > > > > ~ Danny ~ > > > > ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ > > syracuse ska!! > > > Ok I guess you have never been touring - either motorized or bicycle. The > whole point of it is to go slow and > see the small roads and small towns. In USA that means seeing the places > America has thrown out like garbage. It's very fascinating. I have done > some fully loaded bicycle touring - avg speed maybe 8mph. That's a little > too slow at times. From my one year of riding my moped I find that I do not > even like going over 25 or maybe 30 mph even though my ped can do almost > 50. Touring at over 25 mph I think is a contradiction. If this guy on the > Vespa is going 65mph then he is wasting his time. > You got my point: the reason why I don't want to go by air: now way of finding out anything about the people and the country's you are passing! A motorbike is a bit too easy (although it's still not common going) and a bike would be to heavy for me so I guess a moped is a good (and challengeing) alternative! I will though speed up my Honda MTX a little so that if neseccesary I can speed up and that I don't need to drive all the time at full speed (at 30 mph), isn't very good for the thing especialy in hot weather. Has anyone an idea about how long this trip might take? (from The Netherlands to South-Africa RSA). Still all help is welcome, as is a possible partner for this trip too. Greetinx AnToine From: daugava@nothnbut.net Received: from mail.valuenet.net (ppp19.valuenet.net [207.230.63.20]) by mail.valuenet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01646; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:08:44 -0900 Message-Id: <199802060208.RAA01646@mail.valuenet.net> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:43:54 EST Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Moped Mailing List" ************************************************* Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:12:02 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Z28SS97420@aol.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle MOPEDS? I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE FROM BUT ARUOUND HERE WE DON'T EVEN CONSIDER TAKING OUT MOPED'S OFF ROAD, THEY ARE STRICKLY STREET DRIVEN. --VAD04912.886736252/barney.globecomm.net-- Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 00:02:19 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: pinhead@ufl.edu Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > << I'm also remarkably tempted to just remove the exhaust altogether and > see what that does for me. >> > > Probably get you arrested for disturbing the peace. ;-) My guess is that the > 'ped would become too loud for anything resembling distance riding. I don't plan on keeping it that way, I'm just a tad curious... :) > I was > told that the stock pipe has a kink in it, but I have not seen one yet (I > bought my Targa with the Biturbo installed). I may be mistaken. Well, the pipe has at the end a removable section which does consist of two pieces of small diameter pipe (inlet and outlet) which are not directly connected. The exhaust enters the first pipe, shoots past the opening on the other, and has to do an about-face in order to exit the system. Crude ASCII art: ______________________ | \ | small pipes \___________ | <<<===============___________ ==============<<< / To Engine -> <-Out |______________________/ <<< indicates direction of exhaust flow. So, if you turn your head a certain way and excercise a great deal of imagination, you can see how the exhaust is forced to do a turn-around inside the chamber. Sort of like a poorly designed automotivce muffler. Anyway, that section is easily removable from the pipe, and having been removed, yielded almost no noticable gains in performance. -=>Joe Perez<=- -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=- Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 00:03:49 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: pinhead@ufl.edu Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > The Biturbo is simply an aftermarket exaust that has no baffel, has an > expansion chamber, and has roughly a 4X larger opening at the end compared to > the stock pipe. They cost around $100, give or take $15. So if I take my stock pipe, cut off the rear half, and weld on a small glasspack, I've got basically the same thing for $20, no? -=>Joe Perez<=- -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=- Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:53:23 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: MOPEDMOPED@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... Dear Andrew: Check out this address as someone wanted to see a biturbo. We are going to add a bunch of improvements to the page in Febuary and March. http://members.aol.com/mopedmoped/index.htm clik on online showroom then speed kit for Tomos and Puch. It will bring you to the address of a nice picture of the 70cc speed Kit with the Biturbo and all cables gaskets etc. from Steve's Moped & Bicycle World in Dumont NJ Speed kit is at http://members.aol.com/mopedmoped/osr11.htm Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 07:25:52 +-200 To: "'Moped Mailing List'" Subject: Help - I bought a Puch Firstly, I picked up a small but very cute off road bike yesterday not = knowing anything about it and taking the previous owners word that she = would run by simply replacing the barrel and head that were removed. I = have now discovered that this is a Puch with the stamp E50 on the = engine. The engine number is 4417888. The carb has the word BING on it = and the numbers 1/17/165. The front tyre is a 2.50 - 14 nobbly and the = rear is a 2.75/3.00 - 12 nobbly. HELP please - I would like any one of you brilliant authorities out = there to respond so that I can ask you some pretty stupid questions = regarding getting her up and going (oil quantities, how the automatic = works, does it have one, two or three gears e.t.c.) Secondly, has anyone, apart from Hans, heard of a RAP 55 - let me know = please. Cheers=20 Andrew R Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 03:13:38 +0100 To: "Peter Staal" Subject: Re: Puch info and parts catalog -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: daugava@nothnbut.net Onderwerp: Re: Puch info and parts catalog >************************************************* >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:52:39 EST >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: Z28SS97420@aol.com >Subject: Re: Puch info and parts catalog > > >hello, > > Is there a such thing as NOS on a moped? > > > You mean the famous: Not On_stock Sparepart, the always unavailable one. ah yes there are some on your moped :-) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 03:42:25 +0100 To: "Peter Staal" Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: daugava@nothnbut.net Onderwerp: Re: The Tomos saga continues... >************************************************* >Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 23:12:38 -0500 >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: pinhead@ufl.edu >Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... > > >daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: >> I think you where almost there.... >> next time also remove the head and cylinder, check the ports sizes >> in/out/and between >> i think you 'll see a small exhaust port . make this (upwards to the head) >> at least 1/4 to 1/3 of the stroke high with a file > >By altering the piston-side of the port, will I not in effect be >completely screwing with the port timing? If the port runs 1/3 of the >stroke, It seems like I'll be wasting a lot of burn time! > You will alter the timing, sure. that is the target . normaly the exhaust port is the safest way to prevent pure power to escape. [for the law :-)] At the compression cycle a little fresh mixture could escape (only if absolute refill of the cylinder has taken place ! already a good point if you would reach that one ) that will be compensated by the exhaust (see later). At the expansion stroke the port opens earlier so the gas has more time to get out of the cylinder and leaves a lower pressure while the transferports open, so they can flush in the fresh mix beter and more powerfull then before. More fresh mixture in the cylinder is more power, easy, the colder the better, the more compressed the best. >> smoothen the edges with >> fine waterproofsandpaper and done with part one. > >Polishing is easy. Porting still scares me. > >> the back pressure you experienced with your pipe was possible to much but a >> little is ok (not blowable to feel) > >True. But even removing the little pipes on the back, there was a >noticable difference. > They where real small :-) even a pipe with a 1" hole can give the moped enough back pressure.... >> it all has to do with a tuned exhaust >> pipe as topping on your filing work. but an standard expansion chamberpipe >> will do, with a short as possible manifold to the cylinder . biturbo or some >> of that crap. > >I still don't quite understand what these "biturbo" exhaust systems are. >Glasspacks? Larger baffles? Something I've never seen or heard of? > Nope the trick is the expansion chamber (if it is ok), no turbo included :( it works with wave lenght and speed of sound in compressedgas but in practice it works like : sucking while exhaust is open at expansion stroke, and pushing when in compression stroke. >> now it will be time to get some more compression and get 1 or 2 mm from the >> heads flange with sanding paper ( with tape on the edge on a thick glass > >Great. I can just see myself pouring 93 octane into my Tomos. > >"This thing has a higher compression ratio than a 'Vette!" > >But seriously. I may cc the head and do the deck height calculations. >Any suggestions on a reasonable compression ratio to shoot for? I *AM* >driving this thing in Florida, in the summer, in stop and go traffic for >some part. > > Fix a bigger carb :) gives more cool air to work with , a too small carb could cause a seize up when driven to the limits. > -=>Joe Perez<=- > -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=- > > Bye, Peter Staal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: staal@concepts.nl Home: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 09:31:26 +0100 To: Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... At 15:43 5-02-98 EST, you wrote: >************************************************* >Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:45:01 EST >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: AaronM428@aol.com >Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... > > >In a message dated 98-02-05 10:16:19 EST, you write: > ><< but if Tomos is a two-stroke >> > >IF!? To the best of my knowledge, the only 4-stroke 'peds ever built were >Hondas. Demm, Ducati, Motom, Moto Morini and there are some more, believe me... In Germany they even built a Diesel attachment engine (Lohmann) There is much more out there then we all know... Cheers, Hans Hartman Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:21:08 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: PedAction@aol.com Subject: Vespa Prices I have a 77 Piaggio Bravo. I am not sure of what all it is missing, but it needs work. What is the most you would spend fixing it? I got it free, so everything else from here is an investment. Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:36:09 -0700 To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" Subject: Piaggio Grande Repair Manual Feb 6, 1998 To: All Can anyone out there give me an address where I can purchase a repair manual in either English or French regarding the Piaggio Grande? Thanks Dan Johnson Gunnison, CO Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:56:51 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Gokartridr@aol.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle i use my bi-turbo on the street and it works fine and it is street legal Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:01:31 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle In a message dated 98-02-05 18:35:13 EST, you write: << MOPEDS? I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE FROM BUT ARUOUND HERE WE DON'T EVEN CONSIDER TAKING OUT MOPED'S OFF ROAD, THEY ARE STRICKLY STREET DRIVEN. >> The "off road" bit on the Biturbo is to cover the Biturbo company's a#^. Mopeds are definitely NOT intended to ever go off-road, in fact, my Tomos manual says that one shoud NEVER use the moped off-road, but if I must it says to stay under 10mph. Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:58:51 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle In a message dated 98-02-05 18:30:16 EST, you write: << A dealer will make it clear that it is for off road use on a moped only. >> And then he will say that his own son registered a Biturbo for street no problem, and tell you that the police don't care (which they don't). Lastly he says, "But you didn't hear this from me." Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 03:34:10 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: Crescent moped ------ reply to pia.nygaard@swipnet.se -------- Hello! I've got this Three-wheeled Crescent with a Sachs motor on it. I would like to know where I could find a manual for it, on the net. I don't know the exact age, but I belive it's about ten years old. Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 06:06:09 -0700 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: danyo@montrose.net Subject: Re: my moped experience daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:19:30 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: PedAction@aol.com > Subject: my moped experience > > Hey Kids! > I am going to tell you a little story about a boy named Matt and his > moped. It > goes like this. It is a true story that happened to me just about an > hour ago. > Some of you will know the people involved, some will not. Just bear > with me. > > Today I was riding my ped with Jess Wright and Jeremy > Clegg. > Well, It was a sort of scooter race to see who could catch who. > Actually it > was more like me catching up to Jess to throw a snowball at him, but > who pays > attention to details? Anyway, for those of you who know the streets of > our > lovely town, I was driving on Capitol toward Harrison from my house. > Jess was > about 20 feet ahead of me, and the light turned yellow as he crossed > the > intersection. I blatently ran the red light in continuance of my > pursuit. > Well, I didn't see the cop until I was clearly in violation of the > law. I > honked my little horn as a warning to Jess that we were in danger. > After 2 > turns, and about 3 blocks, we gave up the idea that we were going to > out run > the police. Upon pulling over, friendly Officer Borth examined our > driver's > licenses. I learned today that it is unlawful to ride a moped with out > a > helmet. But as with many facets of the law, there is a catch, and > today > happened to be my lucky day. The helmet law only applies to those > under the > age of 18. Well, since I am 18, this superfluous law did not apply to > me. The > nice officer withdrew his comment to the dispatcher that there were > two > juvinile delinquints and made the correction to one juvenile in > violation of > the law. I was off the hook, and Jess was in the police car. After > getting > all of the pertinent information, Officer Borth let Jess go with a > firm > lecture and a $50.00 helmet violation. Now, many of you may be > wondering " > Where is Jeremy?" Boy #3 was smart enough to do do three things. 1. > stop at > the red light > 2. realize he was in violation of not only the helmet statute, but > also > lacking eye protection. > 3. take every alley and back road possible to get home instead of > going back > to see if his buddies got busted. > > Well, This is the end of the story of my third altercation with our > fine > police force with no penalties. I thank you if you have read this far, > and if > you haven't then you aren't reading right now so I will shut up. > > M@tt Matt: Well written story regarding your experience. I do have a comment however. I've been interested in motorbikes since about age 9 which was a long, long time ago. I'm not a lover of the police force and how they go about enforcing the law in many cases. I am adament about safe driving and taking proper precautions for both my own safety and the safety of others. It would be a good idea to get off the street if you're going to horse around so that if you do make a mistake in judgement, it will not affect any innocent by-standers. NOT A LECTURE, JUST SOME SOUND ADVICE from an old guy that's been there, done that. Hey, enjoy your cycling. Dan Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 07:29:26 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Jtovet@aol.com Subject: Re: Help - I bought a Puch In a message dated 98-02-07 04:44:53 EST, you write: << HELP please - I would like any one of you brilliant authorities out = there to respond so that I can ask you some pretty stupid questions = regarding getting her up and going (oil quantities, how the automatic = works, does it have one, two or three gears e.t.c.) >> Hi...my 16 year old son, picked up a similar "situation" and is getting quite discouraged. I would like to help him out.....(his too is an old puch...78) Would you be so kind as to forward any responses you get on to me? I have similar requests for help out, and I'll be happy to do the same.... Thanks Jim (Dad) & Andy (Son) :) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 08:22:41 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Vespa Prices If it is cosmetically correct, and can be fixed for 100-150, it would make for cheap transpo. Parts are readily available for that model. SCott H Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 08:21:25 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Piaggio Grande Repair Manual Dan, I recently bought a manual for same. The Vespa Supershop in San Diego has everything you need for your bike. There was no repair manual specifically for the Grande. You will have to use the one that covers the CIAO and BRAVO models. They are similar. They do have a parts book for the GRANDE. I just finished major repairs on my Grande, motor off, etc. I would be willing to copy mine, or portions thereof. Scott H huvz@sprintmail.com Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 09:52:16 -0500 To: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: Special 1996 Tomas Targa 4 Sale > Subject: selling 1996 Tomos Targa Lx w/70cckit > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 18:55:25 +0000 > From: Alene Greto > To: daugava@nothnbut > > Tim needs to sell his 1996 black Tomos Targa LX - including a new 70cc > kit... only has 2,000 miles and looks like new...Purchased from a dealer > in 1997. It even has aqua neon, which is beautiful @ night...He paid > $1,700 for the bike and $600 for the accessories...Any leeds would be > appreciated...Bike lives in Ft. Myers,Fl...941-334-2789...Any reasonable > offer will not be refused.... Date: 07 Feb 1998 08:46:06 -0800 To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle To @REPLY This is just like all of the "water pipes" they sell in the smoke shops intended for use with "tobacco and legal herbs only". It's legal to sell them, but illegal to use them for illegal activities. To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N 02-05-98 3:37p FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net ************************************************* Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 15:08:53 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802052112.MAA22247@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle Speed kits are no illegal. A moped is a two weeled contraption with pedals, reflectors in certain parts, a rear view mirror, under 50 cc and under 30 mph (in NY). Annything a user does to deviate from this makes it no longer a moped and subject to different regulations. Moped shops that sell speed kits do so with the clear intent THAT THE PARTS ARE NOT MEANT FOR STREET USE. What the end user does, is therefore the users responsiblity. If you go to wal-mart and buy a bottle asprin and take the whole bottle, wal-mart isn't responsible becasue whomever did that is using the item for which it was not intended. If there was contamination in the bottle, that's a different issue. Anyone who buys a Biturbo pipe is free to do with it what they want. A dealer will make it clear that it is for off road use on a moped only. You can take it and stick it on your Toyota Camrey if you really want to. You can even stick tennis balls in it and use it like a cannon, or you can even use it as a baseball bat. However, it was sold to be used for one purpose only and when you choose to use it for some other creative purpose-it is your own responsibility. Michael Liu Date: 07 Feb 1998 09:05:00 -0800 To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" Subject: Re: Puch info and parts catalog To @REPLY He CAN'T mean Nitrous Oxide System, can he? To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N 02-07-98 4:07a FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net ************************************************* Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 03:13:38 +0100 To: "Peter Staal" Subject: Re: Puch info and parts catalog -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: daugava@nothnbut.net Onderwerp: Re: Puch info and parts catalog >************************************************* >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:52:39 EST >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: Z28SS97420@aol.com >Subject: Re: Puch info and parts catalog > > >hello, > > Is there a such thing as NOS on a moped? > > > You mean the famous: Not On_stock Sparepart, the always unavailable one. ah yes there are some on your moped :-) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 11:42:47 -0800 To: agner@erols.com From: agner@erols.com Subject: Re: Vespa Prices daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:21:08 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: PedAction@aol.com > Subject: Vespa Prices > > I have a 77 Piaggio Bravo. I am not sure of what all it is missing, but it > needs work. What is the most you would spend fixing it? I got it free, so > everything else from here is an investment. Since I got a Grande for $235 complete and with title, running and needing very little minor work (1980), I'd be reluctant to have more than that much in a Bravo that came with title. Without title, if that was an issue in your state, I'd not even go to 200. If that was the case, maybe you could find a bargain on one with title and use the present one for a parts bike. John Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 11:45:50 -0800 To: agner@erols.com From: agner@erols.com Subject: Re: Piaggio Grande Repair Manual daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:36:09 -0700 > To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" > Subject: Piaggio Grande Repair Manual > > Feb 6, 1998 > > To: All > > Can anyone out there give me an address where I can purchase a repair > manual in either English or French regarding the Piaggio Grande? > > Thanks > > Dan Johnson > Gunnison, CO Vespa Supershop, 2525 University Ave., San Diego, CA 92104; (619)574-1818. They may have a website. John from NJ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 18:15:57 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Crescent moped daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 03:34:10 -0600 > To: "Mailing List" > Subject: Crescent moped > > ------ reply to pia.nygaard@swipnet.se -------- > > Hello! > I've got this Three-wheeled Crescent with a Sachs motor on it. I would like > to know where I could find a manual for it, on the net. I don't know the > exact age, but I belive it's about ten years old. The Crescent is a Swedish made moped. If you search the wbe under "moped Swededn Crescent" a couple of sites should pop up and you can e-mail those directly. Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 20:18:33 -0500 To: chrislo@cfw.com From: chrislo@cfw.com Subject: modding mufflers > ______________________ > | \ > | small pipes \___________ > | <<<===============___________ > ==============<<< / To Engine -> > <-Out |______________________/ >that section is easily removable from the pipe, and having been removed, yielded almost no noticable gains in performance. > its true: some exhausts tend to literally choke the engine. but removing them altogether tends to leave the exhaust with no "resistance" which a two stroke seems to like to a certain point. cut off the "small pipe" so it ends right behind the front end of the muffler and you might get rid of some of the "gag" effect. my zuendapp zd25 (see photo in the 'museum') had a long exhaust pipe that slid far into the muffler itself, looking like above diagram inside. i shortened it so the back end of the muffler ended right under the rear shock - hardly noticeable to cops and sans more noise, but it gave me 5 km/h more, plus the ability to "accelerate" downhill and give me more hillclimbing speed. the orignal setup would cough, brake und sputter even down the steepest hills. the rubber seal around the muffler/pipe got oily and hot and slid off frequently giving me a "better" sound. it could be pushed right back with a boot heel if cops lurked within earshot. Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:51:09 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: MOPEDMOPED@aol.com Subject: Re: Piaggio Grande Repair Manual Re: moped repair manuals wanted. I have repair manuals available for Puch, Peugeot, Derbi,Motobecane, Morini, Minnerelli, Sachs, Indian, Batavus, Tomos, Kasea, Eclipse / Sundiro, Motomarina, Garelli, Vespa and much more. Call or E-mail for more information on your specific needs. Best Regards: Steve Hassa President Steve's Moped & Bicycle World Inc. 40 Park Avenue Dumont NJ 07628 ph(201)384-7777 fAX(201)384-7831 MOPEDMOPED@AOL.COM Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:57:13 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802071238.DAA11672@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: SEARS PUCH does this mean you're ecstatic or disgusted? Michael Liu On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 20:51:03 -0500 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: SearsPucher@webtv.net > Subject: Re: SEARS PUCH > > > Sears Allstate Motorcycle Owners Club > Bill Murar (Pres.) > SAMOC@Juno.com > Motorcycles, Mopeds, Scooters, Vespa, Puch, you name it, every member > different!!!!!! > > I'm Gone !!!!!!!!!! > > > Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:58:17 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802071239.DAA11710@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... get a biturbo!!! Michael Liu On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 00:02:19 -0500 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: pinhead@ufl.edu > Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... > > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > << I'm also remarkably tempted to just remove the exhaust altogether and > > see what that does for me. >> > > > > Probably get you arrested for disturbing the peace. ;-) My guess is that the > > 'ped would become too loud for anything resembling distance riding. > > I don't plan on keeping it that way, I'm just a tad curious... :) > > > I was > > told that the stock pipe has a kink in it, but I have not seen one yet (I > > bought my Targa with the Biturbo installed). I may be mistaken. > > Well, the pipe has at the end a removable section which does consist of > two pieces of small diameter pipe (inlet and outlet) which are not > directly connected. The exhaust enters the first pipe, shoots past the > opening on the other, and has to do an about-face in order to exit the > system. Crude ASCII art: > ______________________ > | \ > | small pipes \___________ > | <<<===============___________ > ==============<<< / To Engine -> > <-Out |______________________/ > > <<< indicates direction of exhaust flow. > > > So, if you turn your head a certain way and excercise a great deal of > imagination, you can see how the exhaust is forced to do a turn-around > inside the chamber. Sort of like a poorly designed automotivce muffler. > > Anyway, that section is easily removable from the pipe, and having been > removed, yielded almost no noticable gains in performance. > > -=>Joe Perez<=- > -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=- > > > Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 00:00:10 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802071239.DAA11724@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... the Biturbo pipe is a tuned exhaust. It starts out small, then all of a sudden expands to 5x it's diameter (well not that suddenly-with a cone) at the end, it shrinks down to a baffle that's surrounded with packing material. You can mess with your pipe, but for $100 you get one that was made for speed. Michael Liu On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 00:03:49 -0500 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: pinhead@ufl.edu > Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... > > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > The Biturbo is simply an aftermarket exaust that has no baffel, has an > > expansion chamber, and has roughly a 4X larger opening at the end compared to > > the stock pipe. They cost around $100, give or take $15. > > So if I take my stock pipe, cut off the rear half, and weld on a small > glasspack, I've got basically the same thing for $20, no? > > -=>Joe Perez<=- > -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=- > > > Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 00:01:51 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802071240.DAA11988@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: Help - I bought a Puch a 17mm carb!!! Definetely not a moped!!! Probably screams though! Michael Liu On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 07:25:52 +-200 > To: "'Moped Mailing List'" > Subject: Help - I bought a Puch > > > Firstly, I picked up a small but very cute off road bike yesterday not = > knowing anything about it and taking the previous owners word that she = > would run by simply replacing the barrel and head that were removed. I = > have now discovered that this is a Puch with the stamp E50 on the = > engine. The engine number is 4417888. The carb has the word BING on it = > and the numbers 1/17/165. The front tyre is a 2.50 - 14 nobbly and the = > rear is a 2.75/3.00 - 12 nobbly. > HELP please - I would like any one of you brilliant authorities out = > there to respond so that I can ask you some pretty stupid questions = > regarding getting her up and going (oil quantities, how the automatic = > works, does it have one, two or three gears e.t.c.) > Secondly, has anyone, apart from Hans, heard of a RAP 55 - let me know = > please. > Cheers=20 > Andrew R > > > Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 00:02:58 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802071242.DAA12117@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle They do work fine, but they aren't street legal. Ask the dealer you bought it from. Michael Liu On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:56:51 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Gokartridr@aol.com > Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle > > > i use my bi-turbo on the street and it works fine and it is street legal > > > Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 21:46:32 -0800 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: bunson@bc.sympatico.ca Subject: Honda repair manual I would appreciate any information that would help me track down a repair manual,either a factory issue or Haynes/Chilton version for my 1974 HONDA PC50 moped. Thanks for your help. Ian Munro, MISSION, B.C., CANADA. Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 22:04:09 PST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: troy_sypien@hotmail.com Subject: PUCH Pedcock I have a 1980 PUCH newport. I am looking for a pedcock handle. Just the handle. I have all of the other parts. Please e-mail me back if anyone has one for sale. Thanks, Troy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:32:10 GMT To: Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle There have been a lot of posting recently about what qualifies a motorized bike as a moped, fast mopeds, and dealings with the police. Let me add a few comments. I AM a cop in the US State of Viginia (although currently on military duty at NATO in Belgium); I ride a Peugeot 103. What qualifies a bike as a moped, licensing/insurance requirements, operator minimum age, etc., all vary from state to state in the US. In Virginia a moped may not have an engine larger than 50cc displacement AND may not develop more than two brake horsepower, may not have a maximum speed faster than 30 mph, and must have working pedals that can propel the moped without use of the motor. But Virginia requirements do not apply anywhere except in Virginia! The best way to get accurate information about the laws where you live is simply to telephone or visit your local department of motor vehicles or police department. Note that if your moped does not meet your locality's legal requirements, regardless of whether that's as a result of the way the moped was built or because of modifications you make, it is no longer a moped -- it is a motorcycle. Thus, if I bought one of those nifty, pedal-less models that Peugeot sells here in Belgium, I could drive it as a moped in Belgium but would have to register as a motorcycle in Virginia. Or, if I modify my moped so it can go faster than 30 mph or has more than 50cc engine displacement, my Peugeot has become a motorcycle and I must register it as such if I ride it on the public streets and highways of Virginia. That's the law. You make a serious error if you assume that the police do not know the law regarding the legality of mopeds in their jurisdiction. Any profession has its share of Dim Bulbs, but the police's job is to enforce laws, and the police have to know the law in order to enforce it! Most officers also have their own copies of the major motor vehicle laws in their cruisers, and if not, they have radios on which they can check with the police station. As a moped rider it does not hurt to carry a copy of applicable moped laws with you (although personally I think that is unnecessary and I would not do it myself), you are far better off using your legal recourses: If you are ticketed by the police for something that you are convinced is legal, go to court on court day and argue your case in front of the judge! He'll throw the case out and likely reprimand the policeman if you are right. If you are actually arrested (not just ticketed) by a policeman for you believe is legal, and a court agrees with you, you should consider filing a lawsuit against that policeman for false arrest. Remember that when you choose to operate a moped (or a bicycle, for that matter) on public streets, by making that choice you have agreed that you know and will obey the traffic laws of the jurisdiction where you operate that bike/moped. You can't claim ignorance of the law ("I didn't know I wasn't allowed to make my moped go 40mph!") and get away with it in court. If you choose to operate your moped ONLY off the public streets and on private property only (such as on a farm), none of these motor vehicle rules apply make you can turn your moped into a rocket to your heart's desire. But you had better not RIDE that moped on public streets in order to get to that private property! So speed kits are legal to sell; they just can't legally be installed on mopeds operated on public streets unless the moped owner now meets all motorcycle licensing/registration requirements. Are cops going to catch you if you disobey the law? Maybe yes, maybe no -- we can't be everywhere at once! But when I see a moped travelling at 40 mph, I catch him. When I see a speed kit on a moped operating on the public streets, the rider gets ticketed. And mopeds are common enough where I work that the rest of the officers in the department know what to look for too. The upshot: It couldn't be easier to find out what is legal and what is not where you live. And no one is trying to keep anyone from enjoying the fun that riding a moped offers. But there are rules you have to follow. You, and no one else, are responsible for doing that. If you do obey them, you are going to have a lot of fun with your moped. If you don't obey them, no excuses you offer will cut it in court, and it is likely going to be very expensive for you. It's your choice. Phil Kuhl Philip.Kuhl@ping.be Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 07:41:05 -0600 To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" Subject: Swap meet On Saturday, February 21, of this year, there will be a scooter swap meet in Ankeney, Iowa just north of DesMoines. I plan to be there with two Motobecane mopeds to sell. Please pass the word around about this midwest event. All types of scooters and mopeds will be there. Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:42:56 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Chuck984@aol.com Subject: looking for moped info i'm out to buy my first moped, but having trouble finding info on different makes/models. Could anyone give me a hand (what to look for, what to avoid, etc.). Thanks in advance! ~Chuck Chuck984@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:47:02 +-200 To: "'Moped Mailing List'" Subject: Moped tour from Holland to South Africa 1. Please forward this to the gentleman (Antoine - I think?) who wants = to tour to South Africa. I live in Cape Town, South Africa and perhaps I = can be of assistance to him and his fellow tourers for information, = accommodation or anything else. I am originally from Zimbabwe and still = have family there so I may be able to help there as well if I can. = Perhaps you can forward his address to me and I can contact him directly = - I was forced to delete my mail last week so I don't have his address = any more. 2. It appears as if our mailserver is giving trouble which explains why = I have not heard from the mailing list for a few days now - please don't = give up on me, I still want to receive mail. I apologise for any = inconvenience. Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:58:02 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... In a message dated 98-02-07 04:43:25 EST, you write: << So if I take my stock pipe, cut off the rear half, and weld on a small glasspack, I've got basically the same thing for $20, no? >> I'm not certain that it would be the same, and remember the two-cycle's dependance on the proper muffler for proper functioning. It's just me, but I seem to think that the Biturbo company has more knowledge of what the pipe should be like than we do. Lastly, altering the stock pipe may void the warrenty, my dealer honors the normal Tomos warrenty even with the Biturbo because he put it on, most certainly the warrenty will not be honored if you take a cutting torch to your stock pipe. Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:03:46 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... In a message dated 98-02-07 04:47:03 EST, you write: << Demm, Ducati, Motom, Moto Morini and there are some more, believe me... In Germany they even built a Diesel attachment engine (Lohmann) There is much more out there then we all know... >> Why build a Diesel moped? They accelerate slow enough already. Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:08:27 +0000 To: BookSwop-TFS@puntonew.com From: BookSwop-TFS@puntonew.com Subject: query hello, my name is cian barry, i would like to know how much, in your opinion, a second-hand, 50cc, Neds, bike with about 2000 km and about three to four months old??? please, reply as soon as possible Thank you yours sincerely, Cian barry Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:02:22 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... In a message dated 98-02-07 04:43:41 EST, you write: << Anyway, that section is easily removable from the pipe, and having been removed, yielded almost no noticable gains in performance. >> Regardless, you can expect a 10+mph gain in top speed and noticable increase in acceleration (can hang with some cars up to 15mph when tranny shifts to 2nd.) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:39:54 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: CrUsHeR78@aol.com Subject: Re: Help - I bought a Puch Is the puch a little white dirt bike, because if it is I have all the parts. Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:36:57 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: CrUsHeR78@aol.com Subject: Re: Help - I bought a Puch On all puch mopeds there is a little cup attached to the bottom of ther gas cap. You fill it with 2 cycle engine oil and mix it with 1 quart of gas. Or you can just use the same mixture that you would use to run a weedwacker, chainsaw, or leaf blower. As far as the transmission goes, most puches were single speed, but if it says Puch in big letters on the side of the engine it is probably a two speed. You want to fill both transmissions with type F automatic transmission fluid. To get the moped running you want to check if it has spark, and you should clean out the carborator. To clean the carb just take it apart and clean out all the jets with carb cleaner or WD40. Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:42:02 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: MaytagTwin@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... In a message dated 98-02-10 18:30:57 EST, you write: << Subj: Re: The Tomos saga continues... Date: 98-02-10 18:30:57 EST From: daugava@nothnbut.net Reply-to: daugava@nothnbut.net To: daugava@nothnbut.net (Moped Mailing List) ************************************************* Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:03:46 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... In a message dated 98-02-07 04:47:03 EST, you write: << Demm, Ducati, Motom, Moto Morini and there are some more, believe me... In Germany they even built a Diesel attachment engine (Lohmann) There is much more out there then we all know... >> Why build a Diesel moped? They accelerate slow enough already. >> Who knows more about this diesel moped? I would love to have such a machine. Ron Carroll Nokesville, Virginia USA maytagtwin@aol.com Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 17:53:23 -0700 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: danyo@montrose.net Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:32:10 GMT > To: > Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle > > There have been a lot of posting recently about what qualifies a > motorized > bike as a moped, fast mopeds, and dealings with the police. Let me > add a > few comments. I AM a cop in the US State of Viginia (although > currently on > military duty at NATO in Belgium); I ride a Peugeot 103. > > What qualifies a bike as a moped, licensing/insurance requirements, > operator > minimum age, etc., all vary from state to state in the US. In > Virginia a > moped may not have an engine larger than 50cc displacement AND may not > > develop more than two brake horsepower, may not have a maximum speed > faster > than 30 mph, and must have working pedals that can propel the moped > without > use of the motor. But Virginia requirements do not apply anywhere > except in > Virginia! The best way to get accurate information about the laws > where you > live is simply to telephone or visit your local department of motor > vehicles > or police department. > > Note that if your moped does not meet your locality's legal > requirements, > regardless of whether that's as a result of the way the moped was > built or > because of modifications you make, it is no longer a moped -- it is a > motorcycle. Thus, if I bought one of those nifty, pedal-less models > that > Peugeot sells here in Belgium, I could drive it as a moped in Belgium > but > would have to register as a motorcycle in Virginia. Or, if I modify > my > moped so it can go faster than 30 mph or has more than 50cc engine > displacement, my Peugeot has become a motorcycle and I must register > it as > such if I ride it on the public streets and highways of Virginia. > That's > the law. > > You make a serious error if you assume that the police do not know the > law > regarding the legality of mopeds in their jurisdiction. Any > profession has > its share of Dim Bulbs, but the police's job is to enforce laws, and > the > police have to know the law in order to enforce it! Most officers > also have > their own copies of the major motor vehicle laws in their cruisers, > and if > not, they have radios on which they can check with the police > station. As a > moped rider it does not hurt to carry a copy of applicable moped laws > with > you (although personally I think that is unnecessary and I would not > do it > myself), you are far better off using your legal recourses: If you > are > ticketed by the police for something that you are convinced is legal, > go to > court on court day and argue your case in front of the judge! He'll > throw > the case out and likely reprimand the policeman if you are right. If > you > are actually arrested (not just ticketed) by a policeman for you > believe is > legal, and a court agrees with you, you should consider filing a > lawsuit > against that policeman for false arrest. > > Remember that when you choose to operate a moped (or a bicycle, for > that > matter) on public streets, by making that choice you have agreed that > you > know and will obey the traffic laws of the jurisdiction where you > operate > that bike/moped. You can't claim ignorance of the law ("I didn't know > I > wasn't allowed to make my moped go 40mph!") and get away with it in > court. > If you choose to operate your moped ONLY off the public streets and on > > private property only (such as on a farm), none of these motor vehicle > rules > apply make you can turn your moped into a rocket to your heart's > desire. > But you had better not RIDE that moped on public streets in order to > get to > that private property! So speed kits are legal to sell; they just > can't > legally be installed on mopeds operated on public streets unless the > moped > owner now meets all motorcycle licensing/registration requirements. > > Are cops going to catch you if you disobey the law? Maybe yes, maybe > no -- > we can't be everywhere at once! But when I see a moped travelling at > 40 > mph, I catch him. When I see a speed kit on a moped operating on the > public > streets, the rider gets ticketed. And mopeds are common enough where > I work > that the rest of the officers in the department know what to look for > too. > > The upshot: It couldn't be easier to find out what is legal and what > is not > where you live. And no one is trying to keep anyone from enjoying the > fun > that riding a moped offers. But there are rules you have to follow. > You, > and no one else, are responsible for doing that. If you do obey them, > you > are going to have a lot of fun with your moped. If you don't obey > them, no > excuses you offer will cut it in court, and it is likely going to be > very > expensive for you. > > It's your choice. > > Phil Kuhl > Philip.Kuhl@ping.be Feb 10, 1998 Phil: Yes sir!!!!! I couldn't have said it better myself (probably not as well). All of you guys out there trying to be all that you can be should understand that most of our laws regardless of the state are there for our safety and well being. Even though I love motorcyling, I'd be real upset to find another cyclist tearing up my property or even worse hurting one of my family because he had a brain "f--t" and didn't obey the rules of the road. Phil has said it all. Enough from me! Dan Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:33:38 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802110217.RAA27042@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: Help - I bought a Puch which part of the USA are you in? Michael Liu On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 07:29:26 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Jtovet@aol.com > Subject: Re; Help - I bought a Puch > > > In a message dated 98-02-07 04:44:53 EST, you write: > > << HELP please - I would like any one of you brilliant authorities out = > there to respond so that I can ask you some pretty stupid questions = > regarding getting her up and going (oil quantities, how the automatic = > works, does it have one, two or three gears e.t.c.) >> > > Hi...my 16 year old son, picked up a similar "situation" and is getting quite > discouraged. I would like to help him out.....(his too is an old puch...78) > Would you be so kind as to forward any responses you get on to me? I have > similar requests for help out, and I'll be happy to do the same.... > Thanks > Jim (Dad) & Andy (Son) :) > > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:43:38 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802110223.RAA27331@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: PUCH Pedcock I don't think anyone is going to just sell you the petcock handle. The entire assembly is around $20. My handle fell off mine, but the assemlbly itself was still intact-I supposed I could have welded on a new one or just bypassed it all together (that's illegal in NY), but I sprang for a new one. Steve's: mopedmoped@aol.com and Andover: andover@aol.com have new ones. Mickey's: tomostomos@aol.com has new ones and he even might have used ones. Michael Liu On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 22:04:09 PST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: troy_sypien@hotmail.com > Subject: PUCH Pedcock > > > I have a 1980 PUCH newport. I am looking for a pedcock handle. Just > the handle. I have all of the other parts. Please e-mail me back if > anyone has one for sale. Thanks, Troy > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:44:50 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802110226.RAA27436@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: query what's a Neds bike? Michael Liu On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:08:27 +0000 > To: BookSwop-TFS@puntonew.com > From: BookSwop-TFS@puntonew.com > Subject: query > > > hello, > my name is cian barry, i would like to know how much, in your opinion, > a second-hand, 50cc, Neds, bike with about 2000 km and about three to > four months old??? > please, reply as soon as possible > Thank you > yours sincerely, > Cian barry > > > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:39:17 -0500 To: Subject: Re: "Moped Digest" I have a 1980 Puch Maxi Two and was wondering if anybody would be able to tell me where I am able to get a manual for it. I was also wondering if any body would be able to help me find a wiring diagram for it. (Prefferably in english) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:59:08 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Piaggio Grande Repair Manual daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 08:21:25 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Huvz@aol.com > Subject: Re: Piaggio Grande Repair Manual > > Dan, > I recently bought a manual for same. The Vespa Supershop in San Diego has > everything you need for your bike. > There was no repair manual specifically for the Grande. You will have to > use the one that covers the CIAO and BRAVO models. They are similar. > They do have a parts book for the GRANDE. > I just finished major repairs on my Grande, motor off, etc. > I would be willing to copy mine, or portions thereof. > Scott H > huvz@sprintmail.com Sorry to interrupt but the Grande IS NOT the same as either the Ciao or Bravo. Different angine, different tranny, different pulley. Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:06:15 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Piaggio Grande Repair Manual Hi there to Scott H- I saw your message about the Grande. I recently became a Grande owner, but it is in a few pieces. I have some, not tons, of experience repairing a Ciao (highly related). Since you rebuilt one, is there anything specific you found about a Grande that you wish you knew going in (like "oh geez don't take THAT off")? thanks, dave Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:52:05 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle > ************************************************* > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:32:10 GMT > To: > Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle Good reading, folks. And let me support it with a picture. http://www.starhosting.com/daugava/z/moped/mop-takedown.jpg Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:14:03 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: pinhead@ufl.edu Subject: Power, speed, and My Tomos Hmmm. All this talk of spending mucho money, coupled with Mr. Kuhl's minor dissertation on police machismo and moped mods is all remarkably discouraging.... (As a side note, Florida's laws on mopeds are nearly identical to Virgina's. And unfortunately, Gaineville cops are about as unforgiving.) I was actually sorta joking out of exasperation when I mentioned cutting the stock exhaust pipe. I have been doing some outside resaerch on 2-stroke physics, and found that many of the laws that I grew up with as a 4-stroker still apply. Velocity stacks, expansion chambers and tuned ports aren't just for mopeds. :) As for my warantee, I appreciate the thought, but somehow I doubt Tomos has a 10 year warantee. (The informational literature at Sanderson's Cycle here in Gainesville says 6 months) So at this point I'm growing rather frustrated. And starting to formulate options... (sometimes a dangerous sign) 1: Leave well enough alone, and continue facing 34'th street as a near-death experiance. 2: Spend between $100-$350 on hi-performance parts (bi-turbo exhaust, 70cc kit, new carb, etc) and hope that my engine/brakes/suspension can take it, bringing my total investment in this bike to as high as $700, which I can never hope to recoup when I sell it and leave Gainesville for good in two years. 3: Sell it right now, easily re-couping my initial $350 investment in this fluid market, and spend $800-$1,000 on a motorcycle, on which I can easily re-coup my investment when the time comes. (all prices US $) #1 scares me to death, #2 worries me financially, legally, and safety-wise, and #3 means several more months of macaroni and cheese. If I'm lucky. Life is never simple. -=>Joe Perez<=- -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=- Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:44:15 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: '66 Garelli minibike I have a '66 Garelli mini-bike. It has a three or four speed trans. The piston sets vertical in the engine. I have heard of "mini-bat" or "mini-moke", not sure what I have. Anybody have info on these? This one is nice, but has engine trouble at present. I need a parts & information source. Thank YOU Scott H Note: Exhaust is "scrambler style" with a chrome shield. (hi-pipe) Marked FRANCONI Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:21:45 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: PedAction@aol.com Subject: Re: my moped experience Dan, While I respect my elders and other pedder's advice, I do have to disagree on this one. I ran the light within 2 seconds of it turning red. It would be nearly impossible for any stock domestic automobile to have enough acceleration to harm myself or them in any way. This would require a high performance application and lightning quick reflexes from the driver. Sorry to prove you wrong, but I will leave you with this consolation. I have not violated any traffic violations after that day, and every time I go pedding now, I will heed your advice. M@tt Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:38:53 +0100 To: Subject: Re: Honda repair manual Hello Ian, fellow mopedeers, At 17:02 10-02-98 EST, you wrote: >************************************************* >I would appreciate any information that would help me track down >a repair manual,either a factory issue or Haynes/Chilton version for my >1974 HONDA PC50 moped. I guess you've tried Haynes already? I've got the Haynes manual, the ISBN number is 0 85696 317 8 In my experience having a ISBN number is a advantage in a search for a book.. Adress for Haynes: Haynes publishing group 861 Lawrence drive Newbury Park California 91320 As a last resort, I could try to get it over here (Netherlands EU) or make a copy of mine. Cheers, Hans Hartman Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:51:18 +0100 To: Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... Hello, At 17:02 10-02-98 EST, I wrote about four-stroke mopeds: ><< Demm, Ducati, Motom, Moto Morini and there are some more, believe me... > In Germany they even built a Diesel attachment engine (Lohmann) > There is much more out there then we all know... >> > >Why build a Diesel moped? They accelerate slow enough already. The (two-stroke) diesel was built in the 50's. In those days a moped (bicycle attachment) was normal transport for the average people in Europe, the diesel was very economic. Diesel always was and is significally cheaper then gasoline in Europe, the little Lohmann used a teaspoon of diesel on a kilometer! That was a major advantage in those days, that they had to peddle along with the engine uphill and against the wind, was taken for granted.. Cheers, Hans Hartman Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:46:06 -0500 To: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu From: SearsPucher@webtv.net Subject: Sears Puch Hi Mike, I think you got it wrong. I enjoy SAMOC (Sears Allstate Motorcycle Owners Club) I was just over Bill Murar's house yesterday. He's getting ready for the vintage bike races down in Daytona. One of the members is making license plates saying "I'd Rather Be Riding My Sears Allstate Motocycle" I had to have one, I snagged 1 of Bills. Since there are few Sears owners in the U.S. and Canada, Bill has managed for us to contact and help one another with the quarterly newsletter. Between the club,moped digest,(including picking your brain, Thank You) and my own basic mechanical skills, I'm enjoying working on the Sabres alot.(can't spell emensly?) I'm Gone !!!!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:43:16 -0500 To: chrislo@cfw.com From: chrislo@cfw.com Subject: its de cops!! daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > There have been a lot of posting recently about what qualifies a motorized > bike as a moped, fast mopeds, and dealings with the police. I AM a cop in the US >State of Viginia (although currently on military duty at NATO in Belgium); I ride a >Peugeot 103. a spy, a spy! on a moped! in my home state too!! >No one is trying to keep anyone from enjoying the fun > that riding a moped offers. But there are rules you have to follow. You, > and no one else, are responsible for doing that. If you do obey them, you > are going to have a lot of fun with your moped. If you don't obey them, no > excuses you offer will cut it in court, and it is likely going to be very > expensive for you. It's your choice. > > Phil Kuhl > Philip.Kuhl@ping.be but there you have it. its the "sad" truth: ya gotta obey the law. one might add that "classic" mopeds arent designed to go much faster than 30 mph with their tiny drum brakes, etc. the "loophole" in above text: a quiet moped modified for good acceleration and a top end of ca. 40 mph is not a bad way to ride. Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:52:06 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: looking for moped info daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:42:56 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Chuck984@aol.com > Subject: looking for moped info > > i'm out to buy my first moped, but having trouble finding info on different > makes/models. Could anyone give me a hand (what to look for, what to avoid, > etc.). Thanks in advance! > > ~Chuck > Chuck984@aol.com Visit the Moped Magazine at http://www.interlog.com/~paltron/moped Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:14:28 -0500 To: chrislo@cfw.com From: chrislo@cfw.com Subject: outlaw tactics i knew this french kid in germany - we were painters apprentices together - and we both had a zuendapp zd 25 (top speed 25kmh). while mine was 15 kmh too fast (oops), his did 60 kmh. not only that, he took most of his muffler, mirrors and other features off, never cleaned it, rode on worn tires, ignored the new helmet law. to boot, he was highly visible in a silver jacket when he ran those red lights and careened thru traffic. first time busted, he was to report to the police station with his moped restored to factoy specs, to which he complied. then took everything back apart again. busted again. and again. by now too lazy to fiddle with untuning, his driving points added up. when his apprenticeship was over he didn't pass "go", he went directly to jail for 12 months, what money he had was spent on fines. at 18 he was a convict who wouldn't be eligible for a drivers license till he was 21 due to his lack of responsibility on public roads. (ironically, his stay in the pokey let him get additional education, so afterward he got a better job than painting) but tho i was stopped 8 times during my "career", i was never "caught". my lousy $200/month paycheck was spent on better things - or o i thought. to this day i dont quite understand why andre did what he did and how he thought he could get away with it (let the shrinks figure it out); he'd stacked the odds far too high against himself. if you want to tease and provoke the cops, if thats your hobby, dont do it on a moped. it looks silly and it make the others look bad. Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:54:56 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: looking for moped info In a message dated 98-02-10 18:28:53 EST, you write: << i'm out to buy my first moped, but having trouble finding info on different makes/models. Could anyone give me a hand (what to look for, what to avoid, etc.). Thanks in advance!>> I can only speak for myself, Chuck, but my Tomos has run perfectly with only minimal maintenance (1 spark plug per 600KM.+ gas and oil). The only snag I ran into is that my HT coil seems to be overheating because after long runs the spark cuts out (yes, I've checked, no spark) also, my turn signal broke, but that way my fault (took it apart to see how it was set up and I cracked the piece of the reflector that holds one of the contacts in place). I believe that the HT coil is only a fluke, and the turn signal can be fixed with some wire and electrical tape. Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:49:27 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tomos saga continues... In a message dated 98-02-10 18:26:03 EST, you write: << get a biturbo!!! >> My thoughts exactly. Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:02:08 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle First, Phil yours was a well written and informative letter, and certainly entirely true. However, where I live it took the police station 2 weeks to get a copy of the moped laws for me, and the pamphlet was from 1986 (it talked about possibly requiring helmets for those under 18 next year ;-) ). The cop across the street knows that my moped can go 40mph, but doesn't care as long as I don't exceed the posted speed limit. More importantly, neither did the Highway Patrolman I pased on the country road going to the county fair. I passed him (he was parked on the side of the road) going 40, and he waved and smiled and aimed his radar on the next car. Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:24:35 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Gokartridr@aol.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle i already did Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:53:49 +-100 To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" Subject: AW: Moped tour from Holland to South Africa Andrew wrote that he could possibly of help for my tour from Netherlands = to South Africa and I certainly hope he can. I'll at least ask for = advise. Maybe nice to know there are other people leaving (+/- 15 = persons) with and army truck to Capetown too (end of June from = Amsterdam) and they are still looking for others to join them. They seem = to be well organised (2nd time they go). It will take them a long time = (9 moths) but joining them shorter is also possible! see www.horizon.nl for more detail. > > 1. Please forward this to the gentleman (Antoine - I think?) who = wants=20 > to tour to South Africa. I live in Cape Town, South Africa and perhaps = I=20 > can be of assistance to him and his fellow tourers for information,=20 > accommodation or anything else. I am originally from Zimbabwe and = still=20 > have family there so I may be able to help there as well if I can.=20 > Perhaps you can forward his address to me and I can contact him = directly=20 > - I was forced to delete my mail last week so I don't have his address = > any more. Greetinx AnToine van Maarle achg@dds.nl Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:14:56 -0800 (PST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: daugava@mercury.colossus.net Subject: I bought a Puch (fwd) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD379A.CB05FB20 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andrew Rodger On Tue 10 Feb 98 18:39:54 EST CrUsHeR78@aol.com wrote: "Is the puch a little white dirt bike" Well it has been repainted but it is certainly a little dirt bike with a single speed auto transmission. The tank is quite squarish. Do you know these bikes - can I ask some questions. Steve H from Steve's moped world has allready kindly answered quite alot thus far - thanks Steve, however it is nice to know that there is other help available. On Tue 10 Feb 98 18:36:57 EST CrUsHeR78@aol.com wrote: "On all puch mopeds.............." I have gone through all the basics and it seems that my problem is compression - I am getting 60psi and it should apparently be above 125psi - do you agree? Hear from you soon Andrew Rodger Cape Town South Africa ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD379A.CB05FB20-- Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:15:59 -0800 (PST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: daugava@mercury.colossus.net Subject: I bought a puch (fwd) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD379B.39BEB520 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andrew Rodger Hi Michael Liu You asked from where in the USA I am from - well I'm not. I am from Cape Town, South Africa, Africa. Why do you ask? Regards Andrew Rodger Cape Town South Africa ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD379B.39BEB520-- Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:17:18 -0800 (PST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: daugava@mercury.colossus.net Subject: PLEASE POST THIS (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: bill angiolillo If anyone is selling a cheap moped and lives in the Hanover,PA area, I am intrested in it. Please E-mail me at Billang@geocities.com Thanx Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:17:47 -0800 (PST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: daugava@mercury.colossus.net Subject: Scooter swap meet (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Mathis, Truett" For readers who might be interested in knowing about it, there is to be a scooter swap meet in Ankeny, Iowa on Saturday, February 21, 1998 at the Aviation hanger, just off I - 35, on the north side of Des Moines. The contact person is Nick Helworth at 1 - 712 - 623 - 9406, nights. I plan on taking a couple of Motobecane mopeds to sell. J. T. Mathis e - mail: mathisj@william.jewell.edu Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:18:50 -0800 (PST) To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: daugava@mercury.colossus.net Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com I'd be interested to know that if i have a "moped" that falls outside the typical moped criteria, that means i have to register it as a motorcycle, right? then i presume that means i am ENTITLED to a full lane on just about any road then, right? so theortetically, i could get on interstates and busy roads and have just as much right to be out there as cars and semis i guess. i may only be able to do 35-40 mph, but i'm considered to be a motorcycle then. heh, wonder what the cops would think of a registered moped doing 25mph in the slow lane of a major thoroughfare. as long as im going faster than the minimum required speed limit (if applicable) on any road, i could get away with it! david << There have been a lot of posting recently about what qualifies a motorized bike as a moped, fast mopeds, and dealings with the police. Let me add a few comments. I AM a cop in the US State of Viginia (although currently on military duty at NATO in Belgium); I ride a Peugeot 103. What qualifies a bike as a moped, licensing/insurance requirements, operator minimum age, etc., all vary from state to state in the US. In Virginia a moped may not have an engine larger than 50cc displacement AND may not develop more than two brake horsepower, may not have a maximum speed faster than 30 mph, and must have working pedals that can propel the moped without use of the motor. >> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:07:33 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: Fw: News flash on 1998 mopeds !!!! ---------- > From: MOPEDMOPED@aol.com > To: daugava@nothhnbut.net > Cc: daugava@inlink.com > Subject: News flash on 1998 mopeds !!!! > Date: Thursday, February 12, 1998 10:06 PM > > February 1998 > This is an early news flash from Steve's Moped & Bicycle World in Dumont New > Jersey. As one of the largest suppliers of mopeds and moped parts in the USA > we get some pretty good news from the moped factories around the world. New > for 1998 anticipated from Tomos is the Targa LX moped in two new colors, > yellow and metallic blue. They have also planned limited edition 1998 Targa LX > where only 500 will be made. This moped will have special graphics / decals > and the painted parts will be gloss black. There will be lots of chrome. A > chrome headlight, front fork, rear shocks, exhaust and other unique touches > are planed. More on this as we get a little further into the season. We are > also expecting as slightly larger step thru model with a longer seat and some > more room for taller people. We are all still pushing for the BT50 for the USA > market as demand must be very high for Tomos to produce such a high end moped. > I will have all of the mopeds in stock as soon as the 1998's are released. Of > course the 1998 Targa LX in gloss black are already in stock. > I will be meeting with the Puch people on March 10 and let you know what the > Plans and changes will be for the 1998 Puch Korrodo Moped. > As for Kasea and Sundiro Scooter Style Mopeds are basically the same with some > color additions and minor improvements. I have 10 Kinetic TFR's on a special > for $695.00 till sold out. If you ever need information on mopeds, parts, > accessories or just to talk about mopeds call or e-mail me. I have it all and > will be glad to help you out. I am the moped specialist. > Best Regards: > Steve Hassa > President > Steve's Moped & > Bicycle World Inc. > 40 Park Avenue > Dumont NJ 07628 > ph(201)384-7777 > fAX(201)384-7831 > MOPEDMOPED@AOL.COM > > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:17:12 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: The Moped List is back to full strength! Ok, the hard times are over, my ISP got his acts together. Moped List will work as it should now :) Andrew Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:51:50 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: MaytagTwin@aol.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle (fwd) In a message dated 98-02-13 23:26:51 EST, you write: << right? then i presume that means i am ENTITLED to a full lane on just about any road then, right? so theortetically, i could get on interstates and busy roads and have just as much right to be out there as cars and semis i guess. i may only be able to do 35-40 mph, but i'm considered to be a motorcycle then. heh, wonder what the cops would think of a registered moped doing 25mph in the slow lane of a major thoroughfare. as long as im going faster than the minimum required speed limit (if applicable) on any road, i could get away with it! david >> >> David, You can be right, and you can be dead right. Which do you think you would be? Ron Carroll Nokesville, Virginia maytagtwin@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 06:14:13 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: I bought a Puch (fwd) If the engine has not been run for a long period of time, your compression test may not be conclusive. I would reccomend that you pull the cylinder head, and cylinder. Inspect the piston, rings, and cylinder. Many times you will find that over time the rings have become stuck inthe grooves of the piston. You may be able to clean the piston, free the rings, and re asemble. That procedure shouldnt cost any more than time. You can re-use the head joint if it is equipped with one. The base gasket can be cut from some good "calendar paper", just be precise when fitting it up. I have been able to get a few running this way, however, if you have a parts source, you may as well invest in a set of rings at least while you have it apart. Good Luck Scott H Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 06:26:08 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802140721.WAA01193@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: I bought a puch (fwd) Whoooh! I usually find out where a person is from and then see if I can recommend a dealer in the area. Looks like I'm fresh out of ideas way over in SOuth Africa. That's the magic of the internet!!! Michael Liu On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Andrew Rodger > You asked from where in the USA I am from - well I'm not. I am from Cape Town, South Africa, Africa. Why do you ask? > Regards > Andrew Rodger > Cape Town > South Africa > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:31:17 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: AaronM428@aol.com Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle (fwd) In a message dated 98-02-13 23:26:48 EST, you write: << I'd be interested to know that if i have a "moped" that falls outside the typical moped criteria, that means i have to register it as a motorcycle, right? then i presume that means i am ENTITLED to a full lane on just about any road then, right? so theortetically, i could get on interstates and busy roads and have just as much right to be out there as cars and semis i guess. i may only be able to do 35-40 mph, but i'm considered to be a motorcycle then. heh, wonder what the cops would think of a registered moped doing 25mph in the slow lane of a major thoroughfare. as long as im going faster than the minimum required speed limit (if applicable) on any road, i could get away with it! david >> The simple answer is "No". Motorcycles with less than five brake horsepower are not allowed on any major highway here in Ohio, and I assume that this awould be more or less true in any other state. Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:22:32 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: Fw: moped ---------- > From: JAnder6951@aol.com > To: daugava@inlink.com > Subject: moped > Date: Tuesday, August 05, 1997 10:23 AM > > do you have any idea what kind of mopeds they sell at the world of cycles in > pittsburgh??? Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:32:58 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: PedAction@aol.com Subject: vespa What model of vespa was it that had the scooter style and large flares on the back. I think they were from the 50's and I think they look like Cushmans Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:07:55 -0500 To: moped mail Subject: Spark but won't run... I've got a 1985 TRAC which wasn't getting a spark before I replaced the ignition coil. After that it would run if I put gas in the cylinder, there is still a jam somewhere in the carburetor or gas line but anyway... One day my dad went and fooled around with it, messing with the wiring of the thing. (the headlight and switches and things weren't all corresponding). Although we got the headlight, horn, rear/brake lights, and run/off switch working the bike won't run. When I remove the plug from the cylinder, the plug makes a spark, but even with starter fluid in the cylinder, the thing won't even kick... I am completely confused, any suggestions??? Thank you very much, Jlove Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:54:06 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: drstupid@usa.net Subject: Speedmeter?? Recently the speedometer on my '78 JC Penney pinto (basically a Puch Maxi) stopped working..Soo, I disconnected the cable from the speedometer and discovered that it wasn't spinning and I figured it was just broken and I'd have to get a new one. When I disconnected it from the _____ (name unkown, I'll just call it ____ for the purpose of this letter) on the front wheel I found that it wasn't broken (no trouble spinning)...This is obviosly a problem with the ____. I took it apart and I can't really tell how it works..Any suggestions?? Do I need to replace it? Can I fix it?? Thanks a lot, Dan ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:43:56 +-200 To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" Subject: RE: I bought a puch (fwd) ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD3AD8.AD193820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the thought anyway. ---------- From: daugava@nothnbut.net[SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 1998 8:26 AM To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: I bought a puch (fwd) ************************************************* Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 06:26:08 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802140721.WAA01193@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: I bought a puch (fwd) Whoooh! I usually find out where a person is from and then see if I can recommend a dealer in the area. Looks like I'm fresh out of ideas way over in SOuth Africa. That's the magic of the internet!!! Michael Liu On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Andrew Rodger > You asked from where in the USA I am from - well I'm not. I am from Cape Town, South Africa, Africa. 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Dear Moped enthusiasts: Would it be appropriate or even legal to mention classified ads for mopeds that we see in our local newspapers in this forum? I don't want to run into any legal problems with this, so if its not a good idea, let me know. Thanks, J. T. Mathis e - mail: mathisj@william.jewell.edu > ---------- > From: daugava@nothnbut.net > Reply To: daugava@nothnbut.net > Sent: Friday, February 13, 1998 10:17 PM > To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: The Moped List is back to full strength! > > ************************************************* > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:17:12 -0600 > To: "Mailing List" > Subject: The Moped List is back to full strength! > > > Ok, the hard times are over, my ISP got his acts together. > Moped List will work as it should now :) > > Andrew > > > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:13:32 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: CrUsHeR78@aol.com Subject: Re: Spark but won't run... sometimes those mopeds wont run unless the carb is functioning, even starere fluid doesn't work Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:12:17 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Spark but won't run... daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:07:55 -0500 > To: moped mail > Subject: Spark but won't run... > > I've got a 1985 TRAC which wasn't getting a spark before I > replaced the ignition coil. After that it would run if I put gas in the > cylinder, there is still a jam somewhere in the carburetor or gas line > but anyway... One day my dad went and fooled around with it, messing > with the wiring of the thing. (the headlight and switches and things > weren't all corresponding). Although we got the headlight, horn, > rear/brake lights, and run/off switch working the bike won't run. When I > remove the plug from the cylinder, the plug makes a spark, but even with > starter fluid in the cylinder, the thing won't even kick... I am > completely confused, any suggestions??? > Thank you very much, > Jlove Your Dad may have shorted (groundd) the kill-circuit, which is often part of the light switch assembly. Try to disconnect everything from the magneto, except the ignition lead and try then. If you get spark, you should have ignition too. Alternatively, the magneto flywheel could have moved off the proper timing setting and needs to be reset. Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:27:57 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: 6828t@bright.net Subject: Re: Spark but won't run... --------------A9D2B4786E622619DEFD038E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Check your spark to see if firing at the right time. Put your finger over spark plug hole and turn engine over. It should fire the plug at the time the cylinder pressure is the greatest in the cylinder ( top dead center) This is shade tree mechanic way to check but it works if done right. Practice makes perfect. Anyway this will give you some type of idea what is going on . First thing I would say it is in the fuel. 2nd don't us any more starting fluid, It dries the cylinder out. When you chock the engine does the spark plug get wet? ( unburned gas) Have you done any work to the carb, like turn any screws. Check your fuel line make sure you have fuel to the carb. If fuel there your float might be stuck shut. Rehook fuel line and take the fuel cap off tank blow in tank( build a little pressure in fuel tank. This might unstick the float. There is one more thing you can do to unstick the float if that did not work. I will here from other people on the list for this one!!!! While you have some air pressure in the tank take a soft face hammer or better yet use the handle of your screw driver ( wood best) look real good at the carb and make sure that you are not tapping on any adjusting screw or anything important, ( and tap lightly on the bowl of crab LIGHTLY is the key word) if you get gas to the cylinder then you know what you need to do like rebuild the carb. Remember take all advice with a grain of salt and do only what you are sure about!! It's your moped to do with as you wish!!!! Good Luck Bob Taylor daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:07:55 -0500 > To: moped mail > Subject: Spark but won't run... > > I've got a 1985 TRAC which wasn't getting a spark before I > replaced the ignition coil. After that it would run if I put gas in the > cylinder, there is still a jam somewhere in the carburetor or gas line > but anyway... One day my dad went and fooled around with it, messing > with the wiring of the thing. (the headlight and switches and things > weren't all corresponding). Although we got the headlight, horn, > rear/brake lights, and run/off switch working the bike won't run. When I > remove the plug from the cylinder, the plug makes a spark, but even with > starter fluid in the cylinder, the thing won't even kick... I am > completely confused, any suggestions??? > Thank you very much, > Jlove --------------A9D2B4786E622619DEFD038E Content-Type: text/html; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Check your spark to see if firing at the right time. Put your finger over spark plug hole and turn engine over. It should fire the plug at the time the cylinder pressure is the greatest in the cylinder ( top dead center) This is shade tree mechanic way to check but it works if done right. Practice makes perfect. Anyway this will give you some type of idea what is going on . First thing I would say it is in the fuel. 2nd don't us any more starting fluid, It dries the cylinder out. When you chock the engine does the spark plug get wet? ( unburned gas) Have you done any work to the carb, like turn any screws. Check your fuel line make sure you have fuel to the carb. If fuel there your float might be stuck shut. Rehook fuel line and take the fuel cap off tank blow in tank( build a little pressure in fuel tank. This might unstick the float. There is one more thing you can do to unstick the float if that did not work. I will here from other people on the list for this one!!!! While you have some air pressure in the tank take a soft face hammer or better yet use the handle of your screw driver ( wood best) look real good at the carb and make sure that you are not tapping on any adjusting screw or anything important, ( and tap lightly on the bowl of crab LIGHTLY is the key word) if you get gas to the cylinder then you know what you need to do like rebuild the carb. Remember take all advice with a grain of salt and do only what you are sure about!! It's your moped to do with as you wish!!!! Good Luck Bob Taylor daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: ************************************************* --------------A9D2B4786E622619DEFD038E-- Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:21:42 -0800 To: agner@erols.com From: agner@erols.com Subject: Re: The Moped List is back to full strength! daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:56:00 -0600 > To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" > Subject: RE: The Moped List is back to full strength! > > Dear Moped enthusiasts: > Would it be appropriate or even legal to mention classified ads for > mopeds that we see in our local newspapers in this forum? I don't want > to run into any legal problems with this, so if its not a good idea, let > me know. > Thanks, > J. T. Mathis > e - mail: mathisj@william.jewell.edu > > ---------- > > From: daugava@nothnbut.net > > Reply To: daugava@nothnbut.net > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 1998 10:17 PM > > To: Moped Mailing List > > Subject: The Moped List is back to full strength! > > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:17:12 -0600 > > To: "Mailing List" > > Subject: The Moped List is back to full strength! > > > > > > Ok, the hard times are over, my ISP got his acts together. > > Moped List will work as it should now :) > > > > Andrew > > > > > > If you are publishing public information to others that is intended for public distribution, I don't think you'll have to worry. If someone didn't want their name/number published, they shouldn't publish it in the newspaper to begin with. Further, it's not like you're reprinting a copyrighted story verbatim, and you're giving credit to your source, just like you would if you wrote an article in a newspaper or term paper. John from NJ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:52:30 +0100 To: Subject: bicycle attachment Hello fellow mopedeers, Look what I found on the web: http://motorbike.city.at It's all in German, but the pictures say it all. It's an Italian built Mosquito engine as far as I can see. For the guy who wanted a Diesel engine; The few of these diesels that are left are very popular amongst collectors, so with those prices I think you're better of buying something new.. Cheers, Hans Hartman Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:59:55 +0100 To: Subject: RE: The Moped List is back to full strength! At 07:56 16-02-98 -0600, J. T. Mathis wrote: >************************************************* >From: mathisj@william.jewell.edu >Subject: RE: The Moped List is back to full strength! > > >Dear Moped enthusiasts: >Would it be appropriate or even legal to mention classified ads for >mopeds that we see in our local newspapers in this forum? I don't want >to run into any legal problems with this, so if its not a good idea, let >me know. Well, I don't think there would be any legal problem. But hey, I'm from Europe, wouldn't suprise me a bit if you got sued in US.. Problem with local newspapers is, that those mopeds are too far away for any of us, even the people in the USA. I think it's not a good idea, but I'm can't stop you if you do... Cheers, Hans Hartman Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:52:26 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: rmauldi@CLEMSON.EDU Subject: Importing Mopeds Could you put me on your mailing list at a new address, I graduated from school and my new address is MauldinRestorations@juno.com Also, I am planning on starting my own business- importing mopeds!!! Can you send me any info you may have on who is looking for a US distributor. Thanks, Clarke M. P.S. I'm serious- I've got a 7,000 sq. ft. warehouse and plenty of capital- please help me hook up with someone- you are welcome to pass my address along to a reputable business. Thanks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:45:52 +0100 To: "Peter Staal" Subject: Re: Spark but won't run... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: daugava@nothnbut.net Onderwerp: Spark but won't run... >************************************************* >Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:07:55 -0500 >To: moped mail >Subject: Spark but won't run... > > > I've got a 1985 TRAC which wasn't getting a spark before I >replaced the ignition coil. After that it would run if I put gas in the >cylinder, there is still a jam somewhere in the carburetor or gas line >but anyway... One day my dad went and fooled around with it, messing >with the wiring of the thing. (the headlight and switches and things >weren't all corresponding). Although we got the headlight, horn, >rear/brake lights, and run/off switch working the bike won't run. When I >remove the plug from the cylinder, the plug makes a spark, but even with >starter fluid in the cylinder, the thing won't even kick... I am >completely confused, any suggestions??? > Thank you very much, > Jlove > > Hi i'm not aware of you knowledge so, start at the beginning..and i'm not aware of your moped type :-) did i run after you changed coil ? no-> probably timing / pointgap wrong yes -> problem made later by rewiring or bad luck-> disconnect every wire coming out of the dynamo room (except the spark cable ofcoarse) now no wiring trouble could happen (if you isolated the wire ends (!)) now it has to run... when it has a working carb, fix that first, besides gas it also needs (a lot of) oxygen, where do you think it comes out... so if your air filter is seriously clogged, no drop of air comes through.. If you have to test w/o the working carb. remove it completly. also (no high possability factor) it could be a jammed exhaust, but if that was all, it had to bang at least a few times.. but normaly a spark means BANG. it could be to weak or to late / early to not detonate the mixture, and that is the other factor, is there a burnable mix in the cylinder ? (that after a few idle strokes there must be a film of oil on the sparkplug other wise too lean ... or try w/o sparkplug to turn the crank as fast as you can by hand (on the pedals) than a spay of unused gas(in drops) must come out of the hole. if so it must be extreme wrong if a refitted sparkplug doesn't cause a BANG. at least a few and not even coherent but it has to detonate ! if mix is to rich you'll smell it soon enough. but that all seems hard being not messed of in the first place.. when plu too weak, could be reason for a new plug (a spare is always handy) , or time to inspect your coil...(again) you replaced the coil didn't you are you sure it was a compatable one ? (just checking) a visible in daylight spark is a good one.. and a blue one! not the red / yellowish weak coaly type ! who sayed it was easy, some are hard suckers to get over.. Bye, Peter Staal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: staal@concepts.nl Home: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:08:43 +0100 To: "Peter Staal" Subject: Re: The Moped List is back to full strength! Why Not.... freedom of speech , i don't think that the people who placed the add, (legaly the owner of the add text) would argue that it got known in a nest of moped enthusiasts.... -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: daugava@nothnbut.net Onderwerp: RE: The Moped List is back to full strength! >************************************************* >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:56:00 -0600 >To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" >Subject: RE: The Moped List is back to full strength! > > >Dear Moped enthusiasts: >Would it be appropriate or even legal to mention classified ads for >mopeds that we see in our local newspapers in this forum? I don't want >to run into any legal problems with this, so if its not a good idea, let >me know. >Thanks, >J. T. Mathis >e - mail: mathisj@william.jewell.edu >> ---------- >> From: daugava@nothnbut.net >> Reply To: daugava@nothnbut.net >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 1998 10:17 PM >> To: Moped Mailing List >> Subject: The Moped List is back to full strength! >> >> ************************************************* >> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:17:12 -0600 >> To: "Mailing List" >> Subject: The Moped List is back to full strength! >> >> >> Ok, the hard times are over, my ISP got his acts together. >> Moped List will work as it should now :) >> >> Andrew >> >> >> > > > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:12:30 +0100 To: "Peter Staal" Subject: Re: Speedmeter?? -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: daugava@nothnbut.net Onderwerp: Speedmeter?? >************************************************* >Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:54:06 >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: drstupid@usa.net >Subject: Speedmeter?? > > >Recently the speedometer on my '78 JC Penney pinto (basically a Puch Maxi) stopped working..Soo, I disconnected the cable from the speedometer and discovered that it wasn't spinning and I figured it was just broken and I'd have to get a new one. When I disconnected it from the _____ (name unkown, I'll just call it ____ for the purpose of this letter) on the front wheel I found that it wasn't broken (no trouble spinning)...This is obviosly a problem with the ____. I took it apart and I can't really tell how it works..Any suggestions?? Do I need to replace it? Can I fix it?? > Thanks a lot, > Dan > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com > > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7858/part16.gif not excatly puch maxi but close..in dutch :-(, read the image in your graphics program .... Peter Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:15:48 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com Subject: Re: Spark but won't run... In a message dated 98-02-16 10:00:00 EST, you write: << I've got a 1985 TRAC which wasn't getting a spark before I replaced the ignition coil. >> try a new spark plug. sometimes one that looks good really isnt. example: a friend bought an old dirt bike that wouldnt start. we pushed that bike up and down the street for hours getting it to start and when it did, it didnt run very good. finally got a new plug, and it ran great. started on the first kick. Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:23:01 -0500 To: terrym@cent.com From: terrym@cent.com Subject: Indian Moped I have recently purchased a 1979 Indian Moped. I would appreciate any information on parts sources and technical help. Thank you, Terry Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:03:01 +0100 To: Subject: Re: Spark but won't run... At 07:56 16.02.98 -0600, you wrote: >************************************************* >Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:07:55 -0500 >To: moped mail >Subject: Spark but won't run... > > > I've got a 1985 TRAC which wasn't getting a spark before I >replaced the ignition coil. After that it would run if I put gas in the >cylinder, there is still a jam somewhere in the carburetor or gas line >but anyway ...BUT WHAT!!?? CLEAN THE CARBURATOR AND THE SPRAY NOZZLE WITH AIR. D.Johnsen. One day my dad went and fooled around with it, messing >with the wiring of the thing. (the headlight and switches and things >weren't all corresponding). Although we got the headlight, horn, >rear/brake lights, and run/off switch working the bike won't run. When I >remove the plug from the cylinder, the plug makes a spark, but even with >starter fluid in the cylinder, the thing won't even kick... I am >completely confused, any suggestions??? > Thank you very much, > Jlove > > > Dagfinn Johnsen. Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:32:18 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: BURNNLOV@aol.com Subject: parts i need parts for a 74 suvega tiger,r.rear,air filter,r. side cover,e-mail or call 703-765-7376 RON Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:37:38 +0100 To: "Peter Staal" Subject: Re: Spark but won't run... Dit is een meerdelig bericht in MIME-indeling. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: daugava@nothnbut.net Onderwerp: Re: Spark but won't run... Hi I will here from other people on the list for this one!!!! While = you have some air pressure in the tank take a soft face hammer or better = yet use the handle of your screw driver ( wood best) look real good at = the carb and make sure that you are not tapping on any adjusting screw = or anything important, ( and tap lightly on the bowl of crab LIGHTLY is = the key word) if you get gas to the cylinder then you know what you need = to do like rebuild the carb. Remember take all advice with a grain of = salt and do only what you are sure about!! It's your moped to do with as = you wish!!!! Good Luck Bob Taylor Hi Bob , Is simply unscrewing the bowl head not as simple what when someone = overenthousiasticly hammers a bump in the alu casing.. leaks ans = missery. Just take it apart and any shit reveals it selve. small holes = can be deburred with a wire from a steel brush !! not the jet(s) !! . Peter. Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:39:34 +0100 To: "Peter Staal" Subject: Re: Importing Mopeds -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: daugava@nothnbut.net Onderwerp: Importing Mopeds >************************************************* >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:52:26 -0500 >To: daugava@nothnbut.net >From: rmauldi@CLEMSON.EDU >Subject: Importing Mopeds > > > >Could you put me on your mailing list at a new address, I graduated from >school and my new address is MauldinRestorations@juno.com Also, I am >planning on starting my own business- importing mopeds!!! Can you send me >any info you may have on who is looking for a US distributor. > >Thanks, >Clarke M. > >P.S. I'm serious- I've got a 7,000 sq. ft. warehouse and plenty of >capital- please help me hook up with someone- you are welcome to pass my >address along to a reputable business. Thanks > > > Check out the asian scootersites.. booming trend already in europe.. Peter. Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:56:01 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Izzy1285@aol.com Subject: Re: Indian Moped how cheap do you think i can get a moped for and where?? Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:36:03 -0500 To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: Moped clubs Hi Ok it's time for me to go on the list about actively seeking members for the motobecane club. Do you have any ideas on how and what to print? I am going to right up a letter to post about starting clubs. Hope to start some interest in the advantage of being in a club.It sure does sound easy to START ONE BUT IT TAKES SOME TIME IN DOING THE WORK. Bob Taylor PS> would like to here from you ASAP < Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:29:15 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com Subject: Re: Spark but won't run... first off, make sure your flywheel key isnt partway sheared. ive had that happen on a gokart motor once and it would never start even though it still got spark. use a brand new spark plug. try pouring a small amount of oil in the cylinder, and then dip the spark plug electrodes in gas and then install the plug, then see if it will start. if it runs for a second, then you've got carb problems most likely. using these tricks, i can get any motor running. In a message dated 98-02-17 18:11:37 EST, you write: << > I've got a 1985 TRAC which wasn't getting a spark before I > replaced the ignition coil. After that it would run if I put gas in the > cylinder, there is still a jam somewhere in the carburetor or gas line > but anyway... One day my dad went and fooled around with it, messing > with the wiring of the thing. (the headlight and switches and things > weren't all corresponding). Although we got the headlight, horn, > rear/brake lights, and run/off switch working the bike won't run. When I > remove the plug from the cylinder, the plug makes a spark, but even with > starter fluid in the cylinder, the thing won't even kick... I am > completely confused, any suggestions??? > Thank you very much, > Jlove >> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:02:42 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Importing Mopeds Clarke, You may want to check out the new line of DERBI mopeds, and scooters. I saw them recently at a bike show in CLeveland, Oh. WOW, what a line of COOL 50cc bikes. I am sure you could sell these babys! They are extra nice. They have one that looks like a Super Bike, one that looks like a seriuos Dirt Bike, and a complete line of moped/scooters. probably 10 models in all. I will try to find the brocure so I can give you the guys name that handles dealers. Scott H Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:18:24 -0500 To: chrislo@cfw.com From: chrislo@cfw.com Subject: cycle attachment > From: hansn@xs4all.nl (note: xaviera hollander is hans' neighbor at xs4all, folks.) > It's an Italian built Mosquito engine as far as I can see. the motor is better situated down there than on the top of the front wheel, but its bound to pick up some wood on dusty trails. "35cc or more, up to 30kmh, depending on the euro-country". hm. thats scary. these babies must weigh quite a bit, what with all the mandatory blinkers, reflectors and sundry fobs, + 5.3 kg for the motor. DM 1500 is about $1000 give or take. this is, i think, for the pc mopedeer disguising himself as a consciencious yet affluent green party member. doesnt say they wouldnt ship to the u.s. cash in advance please. Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:00:30 PST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: mintyphresh@hotmail.com Subject: Moped wanted I'm in Boca Raton, Fl, and looking for a used moped. Any around? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:11:49 -0500 To: Libertybell7@earthlink.net From: Libertybell7@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Indian Moped daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:23:01 -0500 > To: terrym@cent.com > From: terrym@cent.com > Subject: Indian Moped > > I have recently purchased a 1979 Indian Moped. I would appreciate any > information on parts sources and technical help. > > Thank you, Terry Hi Terry, I own one also. The four stroke engine runs like a top and sounds so nice. Parts are hard to come by from what I have experienced. Does yours run nicely? Does it have the side covers in place? Best wishes.. Mike Burch Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:57:30 -0500 (EST) To: Moped Mailing List Subject: Re: Importing Mopeds On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 rmauldi@CLEMSON.EDU wrote: > Could you put me on your mailing list at a new address, I graduated from > school and my new address is MauldinRestorations@juno.com Also, I am > planning on starting my own business- importing mopeds!!! Can you send > me any info you may have on who is looking for a US distributor. > P.S. I'm serious- I've got a 7,000 sq. ft. warehouse and plenty of > capital- please help me hook up with someone- you are welcome to pass my > address along to a reputable business. Thanks It might be easier to compile a list of who *doesn't* want their mopeds imported into the US. The problem is that many have to be modified to be US legal, many are not especially well-made and most will have need major dealer support for warranty, service and parts. You have to make a major committment or else you end up bringing in more obscure mopeds that get orphaned like so many have before ... ~ Danny ~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ syracuse ska!! Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 06:36:11 -0700 To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" Subject: Peugeot Sport Feb 18, 98 Thanks for putting up with me over the past month for my search for my old Peugeot Sport. I just got an email from Mr. Pattles in France. The bike model that I'm looking for is the BB2S or BB3S. These models were made between 1958 and 1962. I'd consider purchasing a well kept one of these bikes. An extra parts bike or two would be ok as well. Thanks to all of you who helped. Dan Johnson Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:03:01 GMT To: Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle (fwd) At 06:26 2/14/98 -0400, you wrote: ><< right? then i presume that means i am ENTITLED to a full lane on just about > any road then, right? so theortetically, i could get on interstates and busy > roads and have just as much right to be out there as cars and semis i guess. >i > may only be able to do 35-40 mph, but i'm considered to be a motorcycle then. > heh, wonder what the cops would think of a registered moped doing 25mph in >the > slow lane of a major thoroughfare. as long as im going faster than the >minimum > required speed limit (if applicable) on any road, i could get away with it! > > david >> No, you're going too fast here (pun intended). If your moped goes faster than 30 mph (in Virginia), then it's no longer considered a moped and would have to be registered as a motorcycle. But (as Aaron suggested in his posting concerning the State of Ohio), your too-fast moped does not meet Federal or state motorcycle standards and thus cannot be registered to operate on the public highways! (An analogy: A 1989 East German "Trabant" automobile can be registered and driven in Germany today, but cannot be registered and driven on the public highways in the US because it meets neither US safety nor US emissions standards.) Motorcycles and motorized cycles (= mopeds and power-assisted bikes) are prohibited on many limited-access highways, regardless of their speed capabilities. As to what the cops would think of a moped (or motorcycle) doing 25 mph in the slow lane of a major thoroughfare, remember that you can be ticketed from driving too SLOW as well as to fast! It would, at worst, be considered reckless driving that that endangers public safety. And I know of no minimum speed in my jurisdiction that is as low as 25 mph; the lowest of which I know is 40 mph. Even the minimum speed wouldn't "save" you from a ticket. Mote that maximum/minimum speed limits are always subject legally to road/weather/traffic conditions -- for example, the speed limit might be 70 mph, but you could get a ticket for doing 60 mph if there was a thick fog and visibility was down to 20 feet! The reverse is true also -- you can be ticket for driving too slowly for traffic conditions, regardless of minimum speed limits. But Ron Carroll had the best answer -- even if you were right, you'd likely end up dead right, and that just isn't worth it in my book! Phil Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:09:07 +0100 To: Subject: Re: Importing Mopeds Hello, At 14:32 17-02-98 EST, you wrote: >P.S. I'm serious- I've got a 7,000 sq. ft. warehouse and plenty of >capital- please help me hook up with someone- you are welcome to pass my >address along to a reputable business. Thanks Here's a load of factory sites, mail them and see what comes out... MBK (Yamaha Europe) http://www.integra.fr/MBK/accueil-en.htm Honda: (Japan) http://www.honda.co.jp/motor/ Qingqi of China (monster size factory) known as Kasea in USA http://www.china-qingqi.com/chanpe.htm Bajaj of India (official) http://www.wmi.co.in/bajaj/ Piaggio Italy: http://www.piaggio.com/products I think judging by the range and quality they can deliver, Piaggio is your best bet. Qingqi is very poorly built, but some people want them because of their price. Honda is beyond all of these brands in quality, but the range isn't that big. Cheers and lots of luck in bussines, Hans Hartman Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:36:53 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: 6828t@bright.net Subject: ATTION MOTOBECANE OWNERS Hello owners The U.S.A. Motobecane Club is searching for new members, if you own a Motobecane Riverside or Kaptein moped or motorcycle please drop us a line. Pres. Bob Taylor. 6828t@bright.net Or you can use snail mail Bob Taylor Motobecane Club 6828 Perry TWP RD 85 Mt. Gilead Oh 43338 And for the people that need and answer right now phone >419-362-3208< Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:32:17 -0600 To: "Mailing List" Subject: Fw: Moped stolen and recovered - needs repair ------- reply to Rune Brendnengen Hi, I got my moped back..Stolen, broken. I need some good tips to make it fine again... All electrical wires is out...There are some wires out of the motor, its 5. The coil hangs there, with one wire... What is the wire in the motor to? Please help me.. I have no money to fix it in a garage... Its a honda, 50CC automatic. Thank you. Rune Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:59:59 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Importing Mopeds daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:02:42 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Huvz@aol.com > Subject: Re: Importing Mopeds > > Clarke, > You may want to check out the new line of DERBI mopeds, and scooters. > I saw them recently at a bike show in CLeveland, Oh. WOW, what a line of > COOL > 50cc bikes. I am sure you could sell these babys! They are extra nice. > They have one that looks like a Super Bike, one that looks like a seriuos > Dirt Bike, > and a complete line of moped/scooters. probably 10 models in all. > I will try to find the brocure so I can give you the guys name that handles > dealers. > Scott H Be prepared for a shock. They are terribly expensive, although in Europe Derbi is in the bottom third of the price range. Somebody must have flunked math in their pricing department as I can tell. Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:13:38 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802190752.WAA27692@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: Indian Moped >From a person who has stored iy in a garage for 15 years $0-$500 Used from a dealer $250-$900 New From a dealer $650-$2500 Where is more than half the challenge, where are you located? Michael Liu On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:56:01 EST > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: Izzy1285@aol.com > Subject: Re: Indian Moped > > > how cheap do you think i can get a moped for and where?? > > > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:19:11 -0400 (EDT) To: <199802180208.RAA26183@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu Subject: Re: Speedmeter?? mickey of mickey's mopeds :tomostomos@aol.com has tons of these things-new and used. Michael Liu On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:12:30 +0100 > To: "Peter Staal" > Subject: Re: Speedmeter?? > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: daugava@nothnbut.net > Onderwerp: Speedmeter?? > > > >************************************************* > >Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:54:06 > >To: daugava@nothnbut.net > >From: drstupid@usa.net > >Subject: Speedmeter?? > > > > > >Recently the speedometer on my '78 JC Penney pinto (basically a Puch Maxi) > stopped working..Soo, I disconnected the cable from the speedometer and > discovered that it wasn't spinning and I figured it was just broken and I'd > have to get a new one. When I disconnected it from the _____ (name unkown, > I'll just call it ____ for the purpose of this letter) on the front wheel I > found that it wasn't broken (no trouble spinning)...This is obviosly a > problem with the ____. I took it apart and I can't really tell how it > works..Any suggestions?? Do I need to replace it? Can I fix it?? > > Thanks a lot, > > Dan > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________ > >Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7858/part16.gif > not excatly puch maxi but close..in dutch :-(, read the image in your > graphics program .... > Peter > > > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:19:36 +0100 To: Subject: Re: cycle attachment Hello Mopedeers, At 22:38 18-02-98 EST, you wrote: >************************************************* >> From: hansn@xs4all.nl >(note: xaviera hollander is hans' neighbor at xs4all, folks.) Ooh my god... Is grandma at it again? And you Chris, what am I to think of you? Riding old mopeds OK, but keep away from my granny... She never was happy as a hooker, believe me.. The happyness came when people start buying that book of her.. I bet you didn't find her page searching with keyword 'moped' >> It's an Italian built Mosquito engine as far as I can see. >the motor is better situated down there than on the top of the front >wheel, but its bound to pick up some wood on dusty trails. And? So does my chainsaw, which still runs OK :-) >"35cc or more, up to 30kmh, depending on the euro-country". hm. thats >scary. I do 30 Km on my peddle bike all the time, nothing scary about that. With the engine under the bracket the bike is better balanced then with a engine along the side or on top of the rear or front wheel.. >these babies must weigh quite a bit, what with all the mandatory >blinkers, reflectors and sundry fobs, + 5.3 kg for the motor. >DM 1500 is about $1000 give or take. this is, i think, for the pc >mopedeer disguising himself as a consciencious yet affluent green party >member. Green party members buy electric bicycles over here. Cheers, Hans Hartman Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:50:54 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: Importing Mopeds Moped Mailing List wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:59:59 -0500 > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > From: paltron@interlog.com > Subject: Re: Importing Mopeds > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:02:42 EST > > To: daugava@nothnbut.net > > From: Huvz@aol.com > > Subject: Re: Importing Mopeds > > > > Clarke, > > You may want to check out the new line of DERBI mopeds, and scooters. > > I saw them recently at a bike show in CLeveland, Oh. WOW, what a line of > > COOL > > 50cc bikes. I am sure you could sell these babys! They are extra nice. > > They have one that looks like a Super Bike, one that looks like a seriuos > > Dirt Bike, > > and a complete line of moped/scooters. probably 10 models in all. > > I will try to find the brocure so I can give you the guys name that handles > > dealers. > > Scott H > Be prepared for a shock. They are terribly expensive, although in Europe > Derbi is in the bottom third of the price range. Somebody must have > flunked math in their pricing department as I can tell. Follow-up: you can see some Derbis in the "museum" section of Moped Magazine http://www.interlog.com/~paltron/moped Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:01:19 -1000 To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: japanese mopeds how you doing everyone..I am new to this so I was wondering if anyone out there races japanese mopeds preferble the honda elite50 series 94-98 japanese jog, zuma, or what not. I have a honda with a pollini bore and am still looking for performance parts. Hard to find over here...let me know if anyone out there can help me out... -paul Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:32:13 EST To: daugava@shell.nothnbut.net From: TOPOjs@aol.com Subject: Vespa Carb Can any one help me with a carb problem on my Vespa Si moped? The nut that holds down the little fuel intake tube at the top of the bowl has stripped the threads in the body. A guy told me that retapping wouldn't work on that pot- metal, nor would it hold a heli-coil. I priced a new carb at about $160.00. That's a bit much. Anybody got any ideas or used carb? Thanks for any help on this. I also have a Tomos Bullet, 1980 I think. I'd be willing to part with it if anyone's interested. It runs but doesn't shift too well. I'm in Portland, Oregon. My address is topojs@aol.com. Thanks again. Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:47:02 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Peugeot Sport Dan, I'm curious. Does this bike have pedals? I saw a nice 50cc the other day, but it had a 3 speed gearbox, and NO pedals. I tried to buy it, but couldnt agree on a price. Scott H Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:56:44 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: Huvz@aol.com Subject: Re: Spark but won't run... Inspect the piston , rings, cylinder. Go ahead an pull the head and cylinder. It is not that big of a deal. 3 or 4 bolts, take the de-comp cable loose, and you can see what is causing your compression to be so low. It is very common for rings to need replacing, and in many cases, the piston also. 4 vital signs ... if you have these it should run. #1 spark # 2 fuel # 3 air #4 compression Good Luck Scott H Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:42:24 -0500 To: terrym@cent.com From: terrym@cent.com Subject: Re: Indian Moped daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > ************************************************* > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:11:49 -0500 > To: Libertybell7@earthlink.net > From: Libertybell7@earthlink.net > Subject: Re: Indian Moped > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > > ************************************************* > > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:23:01 -0500 > > To: terrym@cent.com > > From: terrym@cent.com > > Subject: Indian Moped > > > > I have recently purchased a 1979 Indian Moped. I would appreciate any > > information on parts sources and technical help. > > > > Thank you, Terry > > Hi Terry, I own one also. The four stroke engine runs like a top and > sounds so nice. > Parts are hard to come by from what I have experienced. Does yours run > nicely? Does it have the side covers in place? Best wishes.. Mike > Burch Hi Mike, Thank you for replying to my Email. What year is your Indian? I'm not sure which side covers you are referring to. I have a plastic cover over the air cleaner on the left and a plastic cover over the battery on the right. Or, are you referring to the chrome cover with the Indian Logo on the left side. The chrome cover is intack, however, someone used an abrasive on it and scratched it quite badly. Yes, my Indian runs like a top also, except the carburator leaks, apparently from around the float bowl. Also, the gas tank leaks. Somebody has previously tried to fix it with epoxy putty. Not a good job. I have just started tearing it down so I can have the tank cleaned up and welded and then painted. While I'm tearing it down and re-building I'll be needing a lot of parts. Have you found any good sources? I would really appreciate any help you can give me. Best Wishes, Terry Muilenberg Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:53:41 +0000 To: johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk From: johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk Subject: New to list Hi All, Thought I'd post a message to say hi as I have just joined the list. I live in Kingston upon Thames, south west of London, England. I have been interested in mopeds since I was 16 and had a base model Mobylette as my first motorised transport. My interest was rekindled when I started to travel to France regularly about 10 years ago. I currently have a 1965 Mobylette AV42S built by Motobecane (bought in Orleans, France last autumn), and have gained a 1974ish Moby currently residing in a shed in Manchester. The AV42 should be on the road for it's govenrments tets in about a month. I am a member of the NACC and the Motobecane Club de France. All the best, John Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:28:14 -0500 To: Andrei Zaitsev Subject: Re: Importing Mopeds Moped Mailing List wrote: > > > Be prepared for a shock. They are terribly expensive, although in Europe > > Derbi is in the bottom third of the price range. Somebody must have > > flunked math in their pricing department as I can tell. > Does it mean you have a brochure ? > Just for info purpose, it would be interesting to see some > pics/prices :) > > Andrew Some are up in the "museum" on mopmag, down at the bottom under "new" Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:27:18 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: paltron@interlog.com Subject: Re: RAP / REX moped 1956 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------225C3CE02163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daugava@nothnbut.net wrote: > > I am trying very hard to find information relating to a moped that I have. I have so far made contact with two people (one in Canada and one in Holland) that have any knowledge of these mopeds. > I would really appreciate it if you could help in any way. > > I am looking for historical information (origins, export inf., no of mopeds built, different models, interest in these mopeds, clubs formed, e.t.c.), and restoration information (engine specifications, spare parts availability, original colours, contacts of persons / companies who can help me with any of the above (e-mail, snail mail or phone numbers),e.t.c). Pictures would especially be welcome, or a book reference. > > > > These mopeds were apparently sold as Panthers in Germany, Leopards in England, and REX's in Europe. I don't know if they were actually marketed in the USA, Canada or Africa. These engines were also sold in Philips mopeds in England in one, two and three speed models, in the late fifties. > The plate on the motor reads as follows : > > REX MOTOREN-WERK-MUNCHEN > Hubr: 49cc Kurzleistung 2,1 PS > Betr. Erlaub Nr. 1342 Baujaur 1956 > Type REX 504 Mot Nr.: 660771 > > The only information that I could find in a book has the following definitions: > > R.A.P. - Popular 49 cc two and three speed mopeds. NL(The Netherlands) > >From between 1951 and 1955 to date (1963) > > REX - REX MOTORENWERK G.M.B.H. , E & K. Bagusat, 75 Forstenriederstr. , Muenchen 25 . The firm concentrated on bicycle auxiliary engines and mopeds. Early versions had 31 cc, later ones 34 cc and, the last few years, different 49 cc units were made. All worked on the two stroke principal. D (Germany) From 1949 to 1963 > > My e-mail address is "R o d g e r _ A @ b o k o m o . c o . z a" My phone numbers are (0027+21)+546171 (work) (..)+5591383 (home) (..)+544786 (fax). 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daugava@nothnbut.net From: gk1-shm@skelleftea.se Subject: hello do yo know where i can find a bigger cylinder than 60cc?? and how much iss it??? Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 02:00:41 GMT To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: leah.naple@lnk.goexcel.net Subject: Subject Unknown Hey, did anyone go to the "swap meet" on Saturday. My friend and I drove all the way to Iowa from Lincoln, Nebraska to go to it. What the HELL was that all about. There were about ten people there and no mopeds. They were all scooters owned by old guys, with big motors and expensive paint jobs. Is that what riding mopeds is all about? Where was the swap meet? All we saw was one guy with a bunch of brand new parts and another guy with a table of spark plugs. It was more of a show for these guys with their pretty little scooters than a moped swap meet. Hope they liked our present. And how can you have a scooter with 12 inch wheels and a 1000cc Harley engine on it. It would twist that frame in half. I hope everybody else understood what type of gathering this was and had a better time than we did. Tige and Matt of the "Deadly Swarms" Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 00:49:53 -0800 To: Subject: DOCUMENTATION ON GARELLI MOPED I'M LOOKING FOR INFO AND REPAIR INFORMATION ALONG WITH AVAILABILITY OF PARTS FOR A GARELLI MOPED SEND E-MAIL TERRY CURE' C/O ckwv@island.net Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 07:50:18 EST To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com Subject: MOPED MAILINGS???? WHAT HAPPENED? ARE THEY STILL SENT? Hi, I haven't rec'd any moped mail for a couple of weeks - what happened? Thanks!!!!! marc.bibeault@pko.mts.dec.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:23:42 -0500 To: laurinj@videotron.ca From: laurinj@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Manual needed for 78 Puch > > Hi, does anyone know where I can scare up a manual for a 1978 Puch ????? > > Thanks > > Jim > Hi sir, I saw this msg on the moped mailing list. Are you still looking for this manual? If so, I can copy mine and send it to you, It will be less expensive than buying it from a moped shop. let me know. Jean-Sébastien Laurin p.s. IU have a lot of brand new parts for puch too if you need some... Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:31:39 -0500 To: Subject: allstate moped This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BD403D.D881A640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello, i have an allstate moped serial # 6484829 i think it might = be a 1964 since the first numbers of ser. # are 64, but = that is only a guess. it is in real nice shape and i am = in the process of restoring it. i was wandering if there = might be a shop manual available somewhere. i specifically need = to find out the rigging for the shifting cables running from = left handgrip to the transmission. i also need to replace one = of these cables. if you are aware of anyone who has parts = available for this machine as well as a manual, could you = please pass me the information. i was wandering if there might = even be a manual available "on line"... i will surely = appreciate any information that you might have to offer... = thanks... dave giardina davgiar@usa.net=20 hello,
i have an =
allstate =20 moped serial # 6484829 i think = it =20 might be a 1964 since the = first =20 numbers of ser. # are 64, but =20 that is only a guess. it = is in real nice shape and i = am =20 in the process of restoring it. = i =20 was wandering if there might be = a =20 shop manual available somewhere. i =20 specifically need to find out the =20 rigging for the shifting cables = running =20 from left handgrip to the transmission. = i =20 also need to replace one of = these =20 cables. if you are aware of = anyone =20 who has parts available for this =20 machine as well as a manual, = could you=20 please pass me the information. i = was =20 wandering if there might even be = a =20 manual available "on line"... i =20 will surely appreciate any information = that =20 you might have to offer... =20 thanks... dave =20 giardina = ; |