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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/1/97, 1:56:06 PM
Subject: Fw: Agrati-Garelli Moped

---------- (reply by email to MR MATTHEW R BLOWERS )
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> I need to locate the Agrati-Garelli Company. I know it is located in
> Italy, however, I am not having any luck locating a website with much
> information on the company. If you would have any information
> concerning this company, it would be very much appreciated by my
> father who is travelling throughout Europe on an Agrati-Garelli SipA
> 50cc SuperSport. He is having some mechanical difficulty and needs to
> speak with a company representative. Thank you.

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From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com (FINANCE 223-0683)
Date: 7/1/97, 2:52:32 PM
Subject: Re: subscribe moped

Kewl!

I'm there!!!

Marc

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/1/97, 3:03:02 PM
Subject: Fw: Kinetic Moped

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> From: Jerky181@aol.com
> To: daugava@inlink.com
> Subject: Kinetic Moped
> Date: Thursday, June 26, 1997 9:48 PM
> > I am interested in buying a Kinetic moped, but I'm not sure of its
quality.
> If you have
> anymore information about it please E-mail me.

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/1/97, 3:46:00 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Fw: Kinetic Moped

> I saw the Kenetic at "BJ's Wholsale Club" in Massachusetts. I think
> it was $459 and made in India. I know nothing. Sorry but would like
> to know more as well.
> Regards,
> Marc

I totally forgot!
I rode Kinetic moped and even wrote a review for it!
Note that I cannot comment on reliability, since I don't own it.
Anyway, here is repost of the review:
*************************************************

Kinetic TFR moped

A while ago an ad appeared in Trading Times newspaper -
shop B&J Truck Sales said that they have $750 mopeds.
Today (05/15/97) I went there to check them out.

The bike looks good - faxed brochure I have doesn't give it justice -
the real thing looks more shiny and new.

Kinetic is 1-speed - this means that I have to wait few seconds
or help by pedaling before it starts accelerating. However, once
there, the speed is good and ride is smooth.

Surprisingly, TFR has some features that more expensive mopeds don't.
These include:

Tool storage compartment.
Ignition key.
Bicycle mode - by special switch you can disengage motor altogether
and possibly shift gear. I am not sure about gear, but it seemed like
pedaling was better than on a regular moped.

Interesting tidbit - 3 month warranty is handled by the
importer, Cosmopolitan Motors. I told them that our local shop
doesn't seem to have it's own repair department and they said
"that's ok, if you have problems, we'll arrange for somebody
local to fix it". Maybe (I am speculating here)
this works like with insurance company -
they give you check and you go to the shop you choose.

Andrew

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From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com (FINANCE 223-0683)
Date: 7/1/97, 4:29:16 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: Kinetic Moped

Ditto.

I saw the Kenetic at "BJ's Wholsale Club" in Massachusetts. I think
it was $459 and made in India. I know nothing. Sorry but would like
to know more as well.

Regards,
Marc

Marc.bibeault@pko.mts.dec.com

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From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner)
Date: 7/1/97, 7:08:29 PM
Subject: [Fwd: jawa parts]

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I'm a new Jawa moped owner and need parts. A friend of mine gave me his
Jawa moped which ran for 1 hour before dying! I haven't had time to
isolate the problem.....but would vey much like to join the subscribe
mped mailing!

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From: lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu (Luther Rochester)
Date: 7/1/97, 7:26:59 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: yamahopper/qt50

On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Moped mailing list wrote:

> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com ()
> Date: 7/1/97, 9:01:53 PM
> Subject: yamahopper/qt50
> > i'll start off by saying i've got 2 of these machines, and they run rather
> well. if anyone needs parts/info, email me as i have the service manual and
> wiring diagrams, etc.
> > david.
> > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
> wow.
i have two of them. niether runs. if anyone wants parts email me.
luther
. .

...
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From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com ()
Date: 7/1/97, 9:01:53 PM
Subject: yamahopper/qt50

i'll start off by saying i've got 2 of these machines, and they run rather
well. if anyone needs parts/info, email me as i have the service manual and
wiring diagrams, etc.

david.

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From: vodidm@acadiacom.net (Harold Gee)
Date: 7/2/97, 2:03:32 AM
Subject: Re: Announcing Moped Mailing List

subscribe moped

Remove "nospam" from my return address. I hate all that unwanted shit
that I get on my other account, and I'm hoping to keep it from happening
on this one.

I've currently got 2 Puchs, but one is a parts bike. My brother in law
who lives with me also has a Puch, and I've had many mopeds in the past,
mostly Garellis and Puchs. I'm glad you're doing this.

Harold Gee in New Orleans

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From: Rodman826@aol.com ()
Date: 7/2/97, 10:28:40 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: yamahopper/qt50

dave i want one so bad will you give one to me right now i am riding a honda
xr 80 and i want more speed and better looks

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/2/97, 2:20:33 PM
Subject: Fw: Tomos Targa LX

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> From: JAMIL WHITTEN > To: daugava@inlink.com
> Subject: (no subject)
> Date: Wednesday, July 02, 1997 3:05 AM
> > I would like to know if a 1994 tomos targa lx and 1995-96 targa lx have
> the same fiberglass covering and just different sticker and decals? And
> do you know if the tagra lx is a good moped? And is their a such thing
> as moped insurance, if so how muc is it and does it cover theft?

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From: ANDOVER@aol.com ()
Date: 7/3/97, 11:17:43 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Tomos Targa LX

Fellow Moped Riders,

There is in fact "Moped" Insurance available through Progressive Insurance
Company.

Most Package Insurance policys will pick up the Moped exposure as well.

Be sure and let your Insurance agent know the Year Make and Model of your
Moped
as well as the Actual Cash Value (ACV).

Andover Cycles Limited can give a Valuation of your Moped for Insurance
Purposes.
Verbal Values are given free to the Moped Community. Written Appraisals and
Valuations are are available for a fee.

Insuring your Moped will give you peace of mind as our beloved Mopeds become
a hot commodity and easy target for theft.

Feel Free to call on us for any type of Moped Information

Andover Cycles, Limited
Authorized Jawa and Puch Moped Dealer
303-689-9000
303-689-9009
E-Mail: ANDOVER@aol.com

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/3/97, 3:29:16 PM
Subject: Fw: subscribe to moped news

> From: John Agner Please add me to your moped news group. It's a great idea, as is the
moped owners group. I enjoyed reading the comments under owners
profiles. Hopefully, it will do for mopeds what is already available for
scooters, as well as give us a united voice when it comes to
legislation/regulation (or hopefully the lack thereof). Also, I'd
really like a place to get tech help. I spent many years working on
cars in prior years but never on motorcycles or mopeds. It would be
nice to have a place to post questions, like how does one troubleshoot
the electricals. In my case, I have weak directionals after charging
my battery, but never have had a horn or headlight. I suspect a short
(especially since my directionals cease to work a day or two after a
charge). I have some tech manuals, but need something like electrical
troubleshooting for dummies to know the step by step. Hence the idea of
a newsgroup is great. Also, hopefully it may be the start of some
regional rallies, like the scooterists have. Keep up the great ideas!
(I may succumb and bring it to a dealer about 1 hour from my house.
Some of the local moped dealers indicated they don't want to touch a
Vespa.)
As an article worth posting (although directed at the vespa scooter),
one of the early issues of Rider Magazine (circa @ '76) did a great
article about touring on a Vespa. It highlighted the pleasure at taking
in the world at scooter speeds rather than cafe racer speeds. It peaked
my curiosity in scooters back then. Maybe Rider would give you
permission to post it (or excerpts).

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From: paltron@interlog.com (Paul Angyal)
Date: 7/3/97, 7:07:49 PM
Subject: Jawa moped

Looking for wiring diagram and possibly a shop manual for an '87 2-speed
automatic (with turn signals).
Also a possible source for new/used parts

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From: LUMPSTER@aol.com ()
Date: 7/3/97, 11:06:46 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Tomos Targa LX

In a message dated 97-07-03 08:47:15 EDT, you write:

<< > I would like to know if a 1994 tomos targa lx and 1995-96 targa lx have
> the same fiberglass covering and just different sticker and decals? And
> do you know if the tagra lx is a good moped? And is their a such thing
> as moped insurance, if so how muc is it and does it cover theft?
>> I have a 1996 Targa LX and LOVE it. I traded in my 1978 Vespa Grande with 750
miles and dont regret it at all. I know that there are some subtle
differences between the years. The 95 has a clutch that is not quite as
smooth as the 96 and 97, but seeing as it is a two speed automatic it really
doesnt matter. The 96 and 97 are basically identical, except for a small bolt
in the fehrule(sp?). As far as insurance goes I called State Farm and they
said there is no moped insurance, so it is my understanding that it is
covered by homeowners like a bicycle. I am 15 and the only thing i can drive
on the streets is a moped. I use mine to go to work and all around town, it
has been wonderful. Everyone who sees it is amazed that it's a moped and not
a motorcycle, since they stereotype of a moped is a step through model. By
the way, when I bought mine the shop installed a biturbo exhaust or $100. It
lets me cruise effortlessly at 40-45 mph, which is great since my vespa
topped out at about 25. The ease of starting is also a plus. I had to grab
the clutch and the throttle and pedal my vespa half way down the road to get
it started. With the Tomos i just set it on the stand and kick the pedal
backwards like a motocycle. Another great thing is that it mixes the oil and
gas for you, so that you can fill up at any gas station instaid of having to
haul one of those little red cans home and mix the gas and oil yourself. If
you want a great looking reliable, easy to manage moped,the Targa LX is the
way to go. Trust me.

John
LUMPSTER@AOL.COM

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From: atburns@hiwaay.net (Ashley Burns)
Date: 7/4/97, 9:03:55 AM
Subject: I need info on a '85 Honda Aero 80

My name is Ashley Burns and I just purchased a 85 Honda Aero 80 a few
days ago for a good price. I live in Madison, Alabama and also have a
1982 Yamaha Towny that I purchased in 1982. I also had a '81 Honda
XR200R that I got rid of a few years ago. I have a good understanding
of motorcyle engines and mechanics in general.

The Aero only has 2622 miles on it and the only problem I have with it
is a bent front fork, dead battery, and the rear brake shoes need
replacing. I got another used fork and will be replacing this tonight.
It may take a week or so to track down a replacement battery at a
resonable price and was wondering if I will damage the electrical system
if I ride the scooter with a dead battery. I can jump start the scooter
via a car batter. When I connect the battery to a battery charger, the
ammeter does not move on the charger indicated that the battery is not
even accepting the charge. Does the electrical system need a load on it
by the battery and does the battery also act as a voltage regulator? I
was thinking about just connecting a resistor or small light bulb to as
a load. Opinions on this?

Where is a good place to get Honda parts?

Any performance tips for this scooter? I have not determined the max
speed of the scoot since the front fork was bent and anything over 15
mph got pretty scary. Anyone know how fast this should go? How many
miles per gallon should I expect to get out of this?

I also also thinking about replacing the transmission oil. I have not
got the the engine yet. Anyone know what weight to use? I know the
Aero is an oil injected two stroke and doesn't have oil in the
crankcase.

Thanks a bunch...

--------------------------------------------
Ashley and Tracey Burns
atburns@hiwaay.net

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/5/97, 1:08:31 AM
Subject: Fw: please send info i would appreciate alot

------ Please reply by email to Brando2688@aol.com ---------
I have been trying to find pennsylvania state laws for mopeds and i cant ,
can you
help me? also if you wouldn't mind send me any info you could a bout
makers(i.e. kinetic cosmopolitan )and price info.

Thanx!

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/5/97, 1:22:24 AM
Subject: List of moped laws for all states

This idea was suggested by agner@erols.com and I think it's a great one:
> On another note, how about a 50 STATE LAWS page where each person could
> post moped laws for his or her state. It might be a good beginning to
> let others know the laws.

Basically, there is Moped Laws page now
(http://www.inlink.com/~daugava/mlaws.htm) - most of the info
there comes from my surfing the web and calling some moped dealers.
If you see that your state is not on the list or if you have more info,
please share it - let's make
the comprehensive list!

Andrew

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From: ratman99@worldnet.att.net (daniel gurwitz)
Date: 7/5/97, 2:30:17 AM
Subject:

subscribe moped

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From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com ()
Date: 7/5/97, 9:07:03 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: I need info on a '85 Honda Aero 80

In a message dated 97-07-05 03:19:52 EDT, you write:

i've got a 1985 aero 50 which runs great with 8k miles; perhaps i can answer
your questions. i wouldnt run the bike without the battery (of course, mine's
electric start only!) as i think it acts as a load on the electrical system.
i ran my yamahopper without a battery, and blew out every light on the bike!
i think the 50 and 80cc models use the same battery, and i bought one for my
bike yesterday at walmart for ~$35
the good old honda dealership is the best place to go. i can still get parts
there, although they are expensive, but that's the only choice. get a service
manual like i did; you won't regret it. my scooter goes 35-40 mph, yours
should be much faster. the bike has a torque converter type on transmission
so your belt should be ok. there's a filler plug on the left side of the
swingarm right near the end. fill that up with sae 30wt until it pours out,
then cap it up. i'd also go ahead and bleed the oil injection line to make
sure there's no air bubbles in it. engine rebuild would be expensive!

<< My name is Ashley Burns and I just purchased a 85 Honda Aero 80 a few
days ago for a good price. I live in Madison, Alabama and also have a
1982 Yamaha Towny that I purchased in 1982. I also had a '81 Honda
XR200R that I got rid of a few years ago. I have a good understanding
of motorcyle engines and mechanics in general.

The Aero only has 2622 miles on it and the only problem I have with it
is a bent front fork, dead battery, and the rear brake shoes need
replacing. I got another used fork and will be replacing this tonight.
It may take a week or so to track down a replacement battery at a
resonable price and was wondering if I will damage the electrical system
if I ride the scooter with a dead battery. I can jump start the scooter
via a car batter. When I connect the battery to a battery charger, the
ammeter does not move on the charger indicated that the battery is not
even accepting the charge. Does the electrical system need a load on it
by the battery and does the battery also act as a voltage regulator? I
was thinking about just connecting a resistor or small light bulb to as
a load. Opinions on this?

Where is a good place to get Honda parts?

Any performance tips for this scooter? I have not determined the max
speed of the scoot since the front fork was bent and anything over 15
mph got pretty scary. Anyone know how fast this should go? How many
miles per gallon should I expect to get out of this?

I also also thinking about replacing the transmission oil. I have not
got the the engine yet. Anyone know what weight to use? I know the
Aero is an oil injected two stroke and doesn't have oil in the
crankcase.
>>

david

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From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo)
Date: 7/6/97, 8:00:39 PM
Subject:

Dear fellow moped zealots,

My wife and I both own mopeds, hers is a 95 Tomos Targa and mine is an 84
Puch Maxi Sport. Hers came with the bi-turbo exhaust and it really makes her
moped run much stronger than mine. I have ordered an exhaust from Andover
Cycles for the Puch so I am hoping for some improvement. By the way, Lance
at Andover is extremely helpful and knowledgeable, especially to a moped
newbie such as myself.

As a newbie I have a quick question, when I am slowing down on the the Puch
I can feel a repeating clunk which I assume is the clutch catching and
releasing. Is this normal or is there something I should adjust or repair?

Any suggestions as to how to make the Puch run better/faster would be
greatly appreciated. Especially by my wife who is tired of waiting for me to
catch up.

Sincerely,

John and Tonya

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From: MBIGoKarts@aol.com ()
Date: 7/7/97, 7:56:40 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Jawa moped

Sorry, we never sold the 2-Speed Jawa.......Have you contacted American
JAWA??

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From: kelgar@po-box.mcgill.ca (Karim Elgarhy)
Date: 7/7/97, 11:56:11 AM
Subject: Want to buy a Moped

I live in Montreal (Canada) and I would like to buy a moped but I can't
find one. Should somebody help me?

Thanx.
Nad. koolspot@geocities.com

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From: ANDOVER@aol.com ()
Date: 7/7/97, 4:08:00 PM
Subject: Puch Clunking Sounds!?(Change your transmission fluid once a Year)

Moped Greetings!

Re: John's Puch Clunking Sounds

Andover Cycles, Limited recomends to all of our customers (and Moped
enthusiasts on the Internet) to:

******* Change your transmission fluid at least once a year!*****************

This is recommended preventative maintainence for all Mopeds and will prevent
a host of potential problems including "clunking".

On a Puch Motor the drain plug is found on the bottom of the motor case.
The refill port is the large slot screw found on the side of the engine. Very
simply
drain the fluid and replace with Type F automatic Transmission fliud only!

Every Moped owner should have a Shop service manual which clearly details how
to maintain their Moped.

Andover Cycles, Limited has new Murray "Puch" Shop Manuals available for $12
plus shipping.

Call on us for all of your moped part needs

Andover Cycles, Limited
303-689-9000
303-689-9009 Fax
E-Mail: Andover @aol.com

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From: Jerky181@aol.com ()
Date: 7/7/97, 10:10:07 PM
Subject: Tomos Mopeds

Does anyone own a Tomos Sprint or Tomos Targa? Has anyone written a review
for one? Please e-mail me if you have information regarding either of these
mopeds. I am interested in finding out the speed, reliability, price, etc.
Thanks a bunch!

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From: WPDORE@aol.com ()
Date: 7/7/97, 10:12:50 PM
Subject: Please post on mailing list

Help--
I'm having a great deal of trouble locating laws regarding the use of my
moped in my home state of Missouri. If any of you can give me some
information, I'd truly appreciate it.
All the best,
Pat Dore

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/8/97, 1:18:17 PM
Subject: Re: Please post on mailing list

Hi, Pat!
> I'm having a great deal of trouble locating laws regarding the use of my
> moped in my home state of Missouri. If any of you can give me some
> information, I'd truly appreciate it.
Ok, here are the laws.

Any vehicle under 50cc and going <=30mph is considered a moped.
Pedals are not required, so small scooters by Yamaha and Honda can qualify
too.

Moped is permitted on all roads, except interstate highways.
It is ok to ride on shoulder, but not on the sidewalk.

Helmet is recomended but not required.
Special license, plates, insurance are not required.

Minimum age to ride moped is 16 (I think).

Andrew

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/8/97, 1:26:01 PM
Subject: Fw: IL state moped laws

------- Reply to Perry Mages ---------
I have called the DMV in illinois and talked to the Secretary of State
office too and I know the following facts about moped in IL:

1) You lmust have a valid drivers licence
a) for a car if under 49cc's
b) for a small motorcycle if between 49 and 150 cc's
c) for a big motorcycle if above 150cc's
2) You must have a title for the moped
3) You must register the moped with the state
4) You most have plates on the moped
5) You must have insurance for the moped.

If there is any other information that I must know about, then could you
please tell me? Thanks.

Perry

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From: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net (John Snyder)
Date: 7/8/97, 5:18:37 PM
Subject: Montana Laws regarding Mopeds and Power-Assisted Bicycles

After making some phone calls to different government
offices I discovered -- and am still slightly confused
by it -- in Montana, USA a bicycle was defined in 1979
as having;
2-3 wheels touching the ground.
Functioning pedals that allow the operator to propel the
vehicle without assistance. If equipped with an auxilary
power source the motor will not exceed 2 BHP
and/or [ed. ?] 50cc. The auxilary motor will not permit
the vehicle to exceed 30 mph.

If these limits are exceeded the vehicle becomes subject to all
regulations pertaining to motorcycles -- i.e. DMV title, headlights,
tail lights, turn signals, motorcycle operator endorsement to an
individual's Driver's License, vehicle license plate and vehicle
registration within the county of residence. There are no separate
legal provisions for MOPEDS, electric bicycles or AHPV 4-wheeled
vehicles such as a quadracycle with any size/type auxilary motor
or not.

Other than my confusion about motor size and power (was it "or",
"and" or "and/or" ?), the clerk at the local DMV mentioned that if
a power-assisted bicycle was able to exceeding 30 mph it could
not be operated on public highways. Under 30 mph it's still a
bicycle which can be operated on the highway.

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From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com ()
Date: 7/8/97, 8:10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Please post on mailing list

andrew spewed forth:

<< Any vehicle under 50cc and going <=30mph is considered a moped.
Pedals are not required, so small scooters by Yamaha and Honda can qualify
too.

Moped is permitted on all roads, except interstate highways.
It is ok to ride on shoulder, but not on the sidewalk.

Helmet is recomended but not required.
Special license, plates, insurance are not required.

Minimum age to ride moped is 16 (I think). >>

here in nc, helmet is required and a moped must have working pedals, so the
small scooters like the express and jog and my qt50 are not considered mopeds
even though they're only 50cc and less i think. usually i get away with
riding my qt50 as long as i dont go fast by the cops.

david

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From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo)
Date: 7/8/97, 8:31:00 PM
Subject: subscribe moped-jerky181's request concerning tomos mopeds

My wife's 95 Tomos Targa seems to run very well. It has good power with the
bi-turbo pipe and easily cruises at 35, but will go faster. She paid about
$700.00 for it used, they seem to go for around $1,000.00 new.

The Tomos Sprint appears to be very similar except it doesn't have oil
injection or the plastic body work. The sprint goes for about $800.00 new
around here.

The Tomos seems to be very reliable and parts seem easy to get. I believe
they are currently the largest importer of mopeds to this country.

By the way, does an odometer on a moped read in kilometers or miles?

Happy trails,

John

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From: agner@erols.com (John Agner)
Date: 7/8/97, 9:12:26 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Montana Laws regarding Mopeds and Power-Assisted Bicycles

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net (John Snyder)
> Date: 7/8/97, 5:18:37 PM
> Subject: Montana Laws regarding Mopeds and Power-Assisted Bicycles
> > After making some phone calls to different government
> offices I discovered -- and am still slightly confused
> by it -- in Montana, USA a bicycle was defined in 1979
> as having; > > 2-3 wheels touching the ground.
> Functioning pedals that allow the operator to propel the
> vehicle without assistance. If equipped with an auxilary
> power source the motor will not exceed 2 BHP
> and/or [ed. ?] 50cc. The auxilary motor will not permit
> the vehicle to exceed 30 mph.
> > If these limits are exceeded the vehicle becomes subject to all
> regulations pertaining to motorcycles -- i.e. DMV title, headlights,
> tail lights, turn signals, motorcycle operator endorsement to an
> individual's Driver's License, vehicle license plate and vehicle
> registration within the county of residence. There are no separate
> legal provisions for MOPEDS, electric bicycles or AHPV 4-wheeled
> vehicles such as a quadracycle with any size/type auxilary motor
> or not.
> > Other than my confusion about motor size and power (was it "or",
> "and" or "and/or" ?), the clerk at the local DMV mentioned that if
> a power-assisted bicycle was able to exceeding 30 mph it could
> not be operated on public highways. Under 30 mph it's still a
> bicycle which can be operated on the highway.
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Not surprised at all. The DMV people and the legislators seemed to be
confused themselves. I have a Vespa Grande designed for 2 people, but
under NJ laws for mopeds, I can't take a passenger. I asked for a
change in the law, writing to my legislators, who asked DMV to
investigate. DMV came back and said, after speaking with reps for
Kawasaki (who doesn't even currently make a moped) and Tomas, that
mopeds were unsafe to carry two up. Yet I have a stock tandem seat,
passenger pegs and a GVWR of 440 lbs. Other than gears, it's not very
different from the '65 C110 Honda I had about 25 years ago. I weigh 180
and the bike is about 114, so why isn't it designed for two up. The
answer is these guys don't understand what the bike is all about, and
the motorcycle industry wants to keep 50cc two up vehicles from
competing with them. As an aside, when I bought the bike in PA, it
carried motorcycle plates and was titled as a motorcycle--go figure. On
the plus side, Jefferson was right when he said the government that
governs least governs best. God help us if they try to straighten out
the glitches in the regs and laws by enacting more good regs and laws.
Better the devil you know.

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From: suzannel@smart.net (Suzanne Letsch)
Date: 7/8/97, 9:51:12 PM
Subject: Laws in MD and PA

Considering a moped to use when I go camping with a small RV.
My Toyota RV is not powerful enough to tow a vehicle, so I was thinking
that
a moped might be a good source of local transport when I am parked in a
campground.

Does anyone know of laws regarding mopeds in Maryland or Pennsylvania?
I live in the Baltimore area, but often go to PA for camping.
Anyone else use a moped along with an RV? Looking for any ideas or
suggestions.

Thanks in advance,
Suzanne Letsch
Baltimore, MD
suzannel@smart.net

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From: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net (John Snyder)
Date: 7/9/97, 4:59:58 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Montana Laws regarding Mopeds and Power-Assisted Bicycles

John Agner wrote:
> > Not surprised at all. The DMV people and the legislators seemed to be
> confused themselves.

> ...On the plus side, Jefferson was right when he said the government that
> governs least governs best. God help us if they try to straighten out
> the glitches in the regs and laws by enacting more good regs and laws.
> Better the devil you know.

In the USA mopeds and power-assisted bicycles seem
like alien spacecraft. There are not large numbers
of ultra-small vehicles on the road -- yet. Bet it's
not unreasonable to suppose there exist more people
with the power to write laws about these vehicles than
actually ride, build them or even know the special
niche they hold in personal transportation's future.

I agree completely with your feelings about government.
When used as a micro-management tool legislation has
the potential of creating more harm than good.

Least "I" not forget; the clerks, elected officials and other
government workers as well as the electorate are merely
"us". Just plain ordinary folks trying to do a job as
best we can, with the tools at hand. ...and that,
fortunately, goes for most of the world at the moment.

john

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From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com (FINANCE 223-0683)
Date: 7/9/97, 8:31:52 AM
Subject: Solo Klienmotoren GMBH, Solo "Odyssey" watercooled automatic moped

Hi!

I just came accross and purchased a 'Solo "Odyssey" 40/1
Watercooled Automatic' moped in great running condition.
I was wondering if anyone would by chance know anything
about these mopeds? I wonder if there's anywhere to
get a copy of an owners manual for it? So far it runs
like a top! It's a 1977 model # 712-1909 and was
manufactured in West Germany. The quality seems very
high. In fact, the cables can be lubed extremely
easily and effectively via little covered "tabs" at the
highest point on them near where they connect onto the
handlebars. (I've never seen this before)

Thanks for any info anyone has!

Regards,
Marc Bibeault

marc.bibeault@pko.mts.dec.com

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From: paltron@interlog.com (Paul Angyal)
Date: 7/9/97, 9:58:05 AM
Subject: Re: jerky181's request concerning tomos mopeds

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > ------- Reply to:nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo) ----------
> > My wife's 95 Tomos Targa seems to run very well. It has good power with the
> bi-turbo pipe and easily cruises at 35, but will go faster. She paid about
> $700.00 for it used, they seem to go for around $1,000.00 new.
> > The Tomos Sprint appears to be very similar except it doesn't have oil
> injection or the plastic body work. The sprint goes for about $800.00 new
> around here.
> > The Tomos seems to be very reliable and parts seem easy to get. I believe
> they are currently the largest importer of mopeds to this country.
> > By the way, does an odometer on a moped read in kilometers or miles?
> > Happy trails,
> > John
Miles.

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From: LUMPSTER@aol.com ()
Date: 7/9/97, 3:32:35 PM
Subject: Re: jerky181's request concerning tomos mopeds

In a message dated 97-07-09 06:50:11 EDT, you write:

<< By the way, does an odometer on a moped read in kilometers or miles? >> If you're referring to the TOMOS, if the speedometer is made by Facomsa (it
will say so at the bottom) the odometer registers in kilometers. That threw
me off also.

John

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From: Jerky181@aol.com ()
Date: 7/9/97, 3:53:37 PM
Subject: Virginia Moped Laws

Does anyone know the Virginia moped laws? I am interested in purchasing a
moped for local use, but I have not been able to find any of the laws. If
anyone knows about the state laws, please respond. Thanks!

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From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
Date: 7/9/97, 6:23:55 PM
Subject: 1977 puch slow off the line

I just got a 1977 puch maxi last week. It starts and runs great, but
there's one problem....It's kinda slow off the line. My buddy
has a '78 maxi and his kicks my but off the start. The two top
out about the same, though. My '77 just turned over to 6500...the '78
only has about 600 miles on it. I tried a new spark plug and so
far it hasn't helped. What size should I be using? The Napa store
just matched the one I had in there. The one they gave me is a Champion
if anyone has a number I can ask for.

Also, I'm trying to restore my moped to original condition as far
as wiring and switches, etc. Is there anyone out there with an old
Maxi that might be able to deal with me on parts?

Thanks much - and happy mopeding

Jeff Coplan
Brookings, SD

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From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
Date: 7/9/97, 6:25:35 PM
Subject: "Puch"

Just another quick question. The correct pronunciation for "puch"?

pook? pooch? poosh?

Most people say pook around here but no one seems to really know.

Jeff Coplan
Brookings, SD

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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/9/97, 7:22:22 PM
Subject: to: moped mailing list (all?)

Hi eveyone,

Is it realy as bad as it likes to be ? (insurance, laws etc)
If i should dare to think about a trip trough te US (coast to coast?) how
many @$#@ laws do i have to face ??
it seems that i have more change doing it on a lawnmower..(and enough grass
)

Bye, Peter Staal

from: staal@concepts.nl
peter_tomos@geocities.com
Homepages:
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos

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From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo)
Date: 7/9/97, 8:27:18 PM
Subject: Connecticut Moped laws

Dear 50 cc fans:

As far as i can tell a moped is considered a bicycle with a helper motor in
the nutmeg state provided:

a. goes no faster than 30 mph

b. displaces less than 50 cc

c. has an automatic transmission

d. less than 2 brake horse power

e. and after 7/1/97 the need for pedals is deleted from the
requirements.

However the operator of this vehicle must possess a valid motor vehicle
operators license or a motorcycle license. It would seem then that many 50
cc scooters would qualify under this amended rule.

There is no need for a tag or insurance or emissions testing and i would
assume no personal property tax.

Being a bicycle of course they are prohibited on limited access highways and
turnpikes.

Respectfully submitted,

John

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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/10/97, 4:21:17 AM
Subject: Fw: Targa LX

----------
| Van: Sissy610@aol.com
| Aan: staal@concepts.nl
| Onderwerp: Targa LX
| Datum: woensdag 9 juli 1997 17:17
|
| Hi My name is Betty and I am looking to buy a used Targa LX . Do you have
one
| to sell? If you don't. Do you know where I can get one? I have seen alot
of
| Mopeds But. I really like this one. thank you Betty Sissy 610

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From: paltron@interlog.com (Paul Angyal)
Date: 7/10/97, 11:15:30 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: 1977 puch slow off the line

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
> Date: 7/9/97, 6:23:55 PM
> Subject: 1977 puch slow off the line
> > I just got a 1977 puch maxi last week. It starts and runs great, but
> there's one problem....It's kinda slow off the line. My buddy
> has a '78 maxi and his kicks my but off the start. The two top
> out about the same, though. My '77 just turned over to 6500...the '78
> only has about 600 miles on it. I tried a new spark plug and so
> far it hasn't helped. What size should I be using? The Napa store
> just matched the one I had in there. The one they gave me is a Champion
> if anyone has a number I can ask for.
> > Also, I'm trying to restore my moped to original condition as far
> as wiring and switches, etc. Is there anyone out there with an old
> Maxi that might be able to deal with me on parts?
> > Thanks much - and happy mopeding
> > Jeff Coplan
> Brookings, SD
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
re power: 3 types of Maxi's were sold in the US: 1 HP, 1.5 HP and 2 HP.
Sometimes there is a sticker on the side of the frame to indicate that.
If it's a 1.5, you can put a bigger jet into the carb and/or increase
the compression ratio by using a skinniewr headgasket (std is 1.0mm but
you can go down to 0.5mm).
The right plug is L86C (Champion) or B6HS (NGK), gap 0.6mm. Don't use an
"R" plug (resistor type).
Good luck

Paul
Toronto Moped Center
re parts and/or a shop manual, contact us directly at
paltron@interlog.com

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/10/97, 11:16:49 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: "Puch"

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
> Date: 7/9/97, 6:25:35 PM
> Subject: "Puch"
> > Just another quick question. The correct pronunciation for "puch"?
> > pook? pooch? poosh?
> > Most people say pook around here but no one seems to really know.
> > Jeff Coplan
> Brookings, SD
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
It's Pookh (a strong "h", not a "k")

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/10/97, 11:21:30 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: to: moped mailing list (all?)

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
> Date: 7/9/97, 7:22:22 PM
> Subject: to: moped mailing list (all?)
> > Hi eveyone,
> > Is it realy as bad as it likes to be ? (insurance, laws etc)
> If i should dare to think about a trip trough te US (coast to coast?) how
> many @$#@ laws do i have to face ??
> it seems that i have more change doing it on a lawnmower..(and enough grass
> )
> > Bye, Peter Staal
> > from: staal@concepts.nl
> peter_tomos@geocities.com
> Homepages:
> http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
> http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Probably easier to take the train but have a moped picture with you all
the time to look at...
Seriously, I think if you rent one with everything on (exceeding the
requirements in most States) you should have no problem.
But don't even think of coming to Canada...
Paul

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From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
Date: 7/10/97, 11:59:55 AM
Subject: '77 puch moped slow

After another hard night of cruising on my moped, I have another
idea as to why my moped might be so sluggish, keeping in mind
it just started doing this a couple days ago (not long after
the beauty came into my possession). Is it possible that I
mixed the oil too strong with the gas? I've run about 2 1/2
tank fulls through it now. It has also started dripping oil
or something that looks like oil out the exhaust, as if there
is excess somewhere.

Would too much oil make it run sluggish?

And, if so, what is the correct mixture...the cap has 2 caps to a qt.
and 1 cap to a qt. Which is it? I used 2 'cause I was afraid
of running it dry on oil.

Please help me, I can't take a sluggish moped much longer!

Thanks

Jeff Coplan
Brookings, SD

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/10/97, 2:51:27 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: '77 puch moped slow

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
> Date: 7/10/97, 11:59:55 AM
> Subject: '77 puch moped slow
> > After another hard night of cruising on my moped, I have another
> idea as to why my moped might be so sluggish, keeping in mind
> it just started doing this a couple days ago (not long after
> the beauty came into my possession). Is it possible that I
> mixed the oil too strong with the gas? I've run about 2 1/2
> tank fulls through it now. It has also started dripping oil
> or something that looks like oil out the exhaust, as if there
> is excess somewhere.
> > Would too much oil make it run sluggish?
> > And, if so, what is the correct mixture...the cap has 2 caps to a qt.
> and 1 cap to a qt. Which is it? I used 2 'cause I was afraid
> of running it dry on oil.
> > Please help me, I can't take a sluggish moped much longer!
> > Thanks
> > Jeff Coplan
> Brookings, SD
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Puch mopeds typically take 50:1 or 2% mixture. With older ones it's a
ggod idea to go a bit richer (in oil that is). Best is to measure the
cubic volume of the filler cap first and then get a quart or pint or
liter pitcher. Don't go by the sticker, it's misleading.

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From: Jerky181@aol.com ()
Date: 7/10/97, 4:14:22 PM
Subject: Tomos Sprint

I just have a simple question. Does anyone know the retail price of a Tomos
Sprint?

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From: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net (John Snyder)
Date: 7/10/97, 5:45:49 PM
Subject: Re: Montana Laws regarding Mopeds and Power-Assisted Bicycles

Paul Goodrich wrote:
> > John,
> > >> the clerk at the local DMV mentioned that if
> >> a power-assisted bicycle was able to exceed 30 mph it could
> >> not be operated on public highways. Under 30 mph it's still a
> >> bicycle which can be operated on the highway.
> > But I can beat 30 MPH on an _unassisted_ bicycle
> (admittedly, only over short stretches!), and I'm not
> particularly fit. So do you think they'd let me ride on
> public roads in Montana, or not? I think we may be dealing
> with another one of those situations in which the technology
> is advancing too quickly for the legal system to keep up, no?
> > Paul Goodrich
> (temporarily at) pgoodrich@nwppc.org

This may be one of those situations were we can turn
the law to our advantage. Currently on the new Moped mailing
list ( http://www.inlink.com/~daugava/bike.htm )
information about several such laws are trickling in.
Montana's stance is not utterly unique.

There is an outfitter in the Western part of Montana who stages
long distance rides every year. The region seems to attract
a goodly number of "traditionally powered" cyclists looking for
the trill of exploding down paved mountains at high speed after
paying the price of pedaling up. Your legs and bike would most
welcomed.

A speed limit for auxilary-powered bicycles makes a
world of sense if energy resource conservation and
personal health are important to us. A bike rolls downhill
under the influence of gravity. Along the level our muscle
power alone is more than sufficent to propel an vehicle at
reasonable speeds for hours at a time. That leaves inclines

and high winds as THE two major reasons for calling
on a helper power source. Both represent intermittant
challenges.

Higher top speed for most HPVs will be most responsibly achieved
via aerodynamics and improvements in the human drive train.

More and more I'm begining to realize that people are not static
performance machines. Our output to the pedals, our individual
"horsepower" and "range" should not be fixed on a graph
like an artifical motor is. In other words, the average human
is a myth created by statistics. No two people have the same
physical ability or pyschological motivation. It is most important
to acknowledge that all humans can and do change their abilities
on a daily basis.

After spending the last 20 years needlessly locked in a chair
-- in a building or in a vehicle -- I've experienced a
transformation of sorts, a mid-life process of rediscovery.
Last January riding a normal bicycle 1 mile unassisted represented
a major physical effort. With the benefit of 7 months, nearly a
1,000 miles and a little TUTORING from an motorized assist I now
throughly enjoy -- unassisted -- 10 to 20 mile rides several times
a week. And, many of those rides (gasp) are on a $80 Huffy
21-speed. Squeak, squeak, squeal...

I was well below "average" fitness a short time ago, getting
closer to the middle of the curve for all humans. Hiding the
car keys provides drill-instructor-like motivation. And
a copy of John Tetz's principles for AHPV produces enough
"good guilt" to stay my hand from the engine controls. This
allowed the Dimension Edge kit to wither away from an
initial 85 MPG to over 400 MPG at the lastest milage reading.

My ultimate goals; no power-assist needed, no automobile slave
to feed, to cycle long distances (circle the globe?), laugh daily,
to meet my Great-great-grandchildren and to be happy in the
spirit of Jeanne Clament, 122-years-old, a cigerette-puffing,
beer/wine-sipping bicyclist.

john (with 80+ years to go)
http://home.att.net/~JCSnyder.studio/personal.html

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From: LUMPSTER@aol.com ()
Date: 7/10/97, 5:56:06 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Tomos Sprint

In a message dated 97-07-10 17:55:26 EDT, you write:

<< I just have a simple question. Does anyone know the retail price of a
Tomos
Sprint? >> $700-$800

John
Tomos Targa LX

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From: lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu (Luther Rochester)
Date: 7/10/97, 5:59:53 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: 1977 puch slow off the line

hi
well i never really thought i'd get a post from someone in my own state.
i live in rapid city and have a 2hp '79 puch maxi [as well as a Vespa
p200e and a few other bikes]. i think i may be some help here as i've
played around with mine and a friend's quite a bit. first of all i don't
know if you've taken the carb apart and cleaned it but that's always the
first thing to check on mopeds. if you're sure the jet and the needle
valve are clear you can rule that out. on the fuel mixture subject the
thing i've found is that the ratios tend to differ depending on the brand
of oil you're using. hence: you might need to add 2oz per gallon with
pennzoil but 3oz with texaco to get 50:1. if you see what i mean. for this
reason i've found it works best to just fill up a gas can with a couple
gallons and then mix the oil according to the chart on the bottle itself,
not with the gas cap thingy. the next thing you'll want to check is your
exhaust. i hadn't really thought of this until you said something about
oil leaking from your exhaust. that made me remember about my friend's
puch. we cleaned out the carb and checked the spark millions of times and
the damn thing was still way slower than mine. then i noticed oil leaking
from the exhaust and i pulled it off [just two nuts on the head and one
holding it to the body]. the thing was caked with carbon, a rather common
thing with two strokes. i spent a couple hours cleaning the thing out with
a bent coathanger, and when i put it back on the thing ran like a demon. i
would definitely suggest doing this with your bike. once you have the
exhaust off it comes apart into like three or four parts. i can't remember
exactly how but it's easy. i know at some point you have to remove a nut
from the end of the pipe where the smoke comes out. finally, the only
other thing i can think of is points. my puch has 14000 miles on it and
right now it's waiting on a new set of points. it kept getting more and
more feeble for a while until a couple weeks ago it just wouldn't run at
all. after doing all the above things i peeked in at the points and they
had no contact material left on them. i'm also replacing the condenser. so
there you have it. for sure clean out the carb good and decoke the
exhaust. if that doesn't do it it's probably an ignition problem. if you
haven't taken apart a carb before it's something you should definitely
know how to do as a moped owner so you can email me and i'll give you
step-by-step puch carb cleaning instructions.
anyway good luck and let me know how it goes. also i have two good parts
outlets for puch that i can hook you up with.
later
luther
. .

...
.
. .

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From: familys@ziplink.net (Big Al)
Date: 7/10/97, 7:12:26 PM
Subject: Puch '78 Maxi-Lux

Hi all!
I was wondering if anyone out there happened to have a 1978 Puch
Maxi-Lux("Hi-Torque" 2HP). I have one myself, and I need some wiring
information. I've seen the one on the WWW (only one I think thats out
there) and it seems to be inacurate. Also, if anyone happens to have a Puch
'78 manual/repair book, i'd greatly appreciate if they could contact me.
Thanks to all who can help.
P.S.
Is there any way I can get MORE speed/power from my ped? It seems to not go
past 30mph (standard, i guess)....would boring it out work?

Eric

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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/10/97, 10:25:13 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fw: to: moped mailing list (all?)

Ok Paul, so Canada is better for the lawnmower trip ......?

----------
| Van: Moped mailing list | Aan: twkeyes@valinet.com
| Onderwerp: Fw: Re: Fw: to: moped mailing list (all?)
| Datum: donderdag 10 juli 1997 17:23
|
| --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
----------------------------------------------
| From: paltron@interlog.com ()
| Date: 7/10/97, 11:21:30 AM
| Subject: Re: Fw: to: moped mailing list (all?)
|
| Moped mailing list wrote:
| > | > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
----------------------------------------------
| > From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
| > Date: 7/9/97, 7:22:22 PM
| > Subject: to: moped mailing list (all?)
| > | > Hi eveyone,
| > | > Is it realy as bad as it likes to be ? (insurance, laws etc)
| > If i should dare to think about a trip trough te US (coast to coast?)
how
| > many @$#@ laws do i have to face ??
| > it seems that i have more change doing it on a lawnmower..(and enough
grass
| > )
| > | > Bye, Peter Staal
| > | > from: staal@concepts.nl
| > peter_tomos@geocities.com
| > Homepages:
| > http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
| > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
| > http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos
| > | > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
------------------------------------------------
| Probably easier to take the train but have a moped picture with you all
| the time to look at...
| Seriously, I think if you rent one with everything on (exceeding the
| requirements in most States) you should have no problem.
| But don't even think of coming to Canada...
| Paul
|
|
|
| --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
------------------------------------------------

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From: hdeaton@surf.com (Henry Deaton)
Date: 7/11/97, 7:43:08 AM
Subject: moped mailing list

Hi,

I'm interested in the moped mailing list. I've just acquired a really nice
Vespa Grande, and am in the process of converting it to electric power.

Henry Deaton
SF, CA

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From: ANDOVER@aol.com ()
Date: 7/11/97, 12:35:01 PM
Subject: How to fix Slow older Mopeds!

Moped Greetings!

Re:Slow '77Puch Moped

Andover Cycles recomends for all older Mopeds to

CLEAN YOUR EXHAUST SYSTEM!!!!

This will make your old Moped a lot faster especialy if the exhaust has not
been cleaned (In most cases this has not ever been done!)

Andover Cycles has shop service manuals available for $12 plus S&H.
which details how to clean the exhaust system and keep your moped running
strong.

Andover Cycles has a full line of stock and high performance exhausts
available for
Puch, Jawa, And Tomos Mopeds.

Call us for your Moped Needs.

Andover Cycles

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From: mike.frisbie@tpwd.state.tx.us ()
Date: 7/11/97, 3:51:43 PM
Subject: yamaha Towny oil pump

I am currently disassembling and cleaning my 1981 Yamaha Towny MJ50.
It hasn't run in 10+ years and appears to have many problems. One of
which is the oil pump. Upon inspection, I think the cable assembly
has been bent. Would it be possible for me to just premix my oil/gas
and run without the pump or does it have some other mysteriously
essential function that I am unaware of?

The pump has a hose going to the carburator through which I assume the
oil travels to be mixed with the gas in the carburator.

If this is possible then I guess I could just plug the oil-inlet on
the carb and screw a plate over the oil pump opening. Any
thoughts/feelings/experiences with this?

Thanks,

Mike Frisbie
San Marcos, Texas

P.S. I am flying blind on all this. If anyone out there has a
service/repair manual for the MJ50 or the QT50 (I think they're about
the same) PLEASE reply directly to mike.frisbie@tpwd.state.tx.us.
Also If anyone is interested, I have the service/repair manual for
Honda Express NC50/NA50 1977-1982.

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From: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net (John Snyder)
Date: 7/11/97, 3:56:31 PM
Subject: Re: (no subject)

Byron Wong wrote:
> > HI, I just bought a [ed. Dimension Edge] 41cc kit
> and I have some slippage at high speeds during max.
> throttle. I have 26x1.5 slick tires with a gap of
> 1/4 inch between the drive roller and tires in the
> disengaged mode. Do you think putting larger tires
> (26x1.95) would help because of the larger surface
> area?
> > Do you find the engine a little noisy?

You might try adding air to the rear tire as a
quick solution. Decreasing the roller's distance
to the rear wheel slightly might be tried if the
air trick doesn't work. There should not be any
slippage. It's the same size tire I'm using
(26x1.5) to good effect. Wider tires may result
in increase rolling resistance to the road which
leads to a greater dependance on the auxilary
power source.

But who is this "Max"? The Dimension Edge kit
is fully capable of providing much greater
than 400 MPG, achieved by running it as little as
possible, at as low of throttle setting as
possible.

After 16-miles or so of hard pedaling sometimes
I hit the limit of my current physical ability.
That's the time the motor comes on, for the
steeper hills and strong headwinds exclusively.
During those sweaty, gasping moments the cackle
of the 2-cycle sounds like heavenly music.
Running it continuously is just plain obnoxious,
and highly ineffective. The EDGE is a great
pedaling "assistant" and a poor pedaling
"replacement".

If you don't want to pedal, a normal moped or
small motorcycle is the better choice. If you
want to become a better bicyclist stronger than
you are today buying only a couple quarts of
gasoline a year, and want to have an auxilary
power system for "hill-flattening" then the Edge
is one of the finest systems available.

john

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From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
Date: 7/12/97, 11:13:57 AM
Subject: The puch rides again!

I took everyones advice and cleaned out the exhaust on my '77 puch.
And boy does she go now. The bottom end off the line increased
100 % and can now kick a '78 puch's butt.

The only tricky part about cleaning the exhaust was putting the
two pieces back together. Does anyone have any ideas on how to
help get the rod back into the inside of the exhaust pipe?

The top end of my moped is still not quite what it once was
I don't think. And the '78 still kicks my butt in the long
haul. Could this still be from running oil through it that
was too thick? I have instructions on how to clean the carburator
but I would rather not take that apart if there is another
way to help it. Has anyone ever run a gas line cleaner through
a moped? Is that safe or will it ruin the engine somehow?

Thanks for the help on the exhaust,

Jeff Coplan
Brookings,SD

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From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com ()
Date: 7/12/97, 11:52:55 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: yamaha Towny oil pump

In a message dated 97-07-12 03:59:54 EDT, you write:

yes, it's possible to premix on an oil injected bike. i did that on one when
i suspected the oil pump was dodgy. i just let the oil tank run dry and then
started premixing with some oil called mc1. i didnt change any hoses or made
any other changes. no problems!

<< From: mike.frisbie@tpwd.state.tx.us ()
Date: 7/11/97, 3:51:43 PM
Subject: yamaha Towny oil pump

I am currently disassembling and cleaning my 1981 Yamaha Towny MJ50.
It hasn't run in 10+ years and appears to have many problems. One of
which is the oil pump. Upon inspection, I think the cable assembly
has been bent. Would it be possible for me to just premix my oil/gas
and run without the pump or does it have some other mysteriously
essential function that I am unaware of?

The pump has a hose going to the carburator through which I assume the
oil travels to be mixed with the gas in the carburator.

If this is possible then I guess I could just plug the oil-inlet on
the carb and screw a plate over the oil pump opening. Any
thoughts/feelings/experiences with this?

Thanks,

Mike Frisbie
San Marcos, Texas
>>

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From: hdeaton@surf.com (Henry Deaton)
Date: 7/12/97, 12:28:28 PM
Subject: Bright Red Italian with Mags

I didn't realize my subscription email went out to the mailing list, or I
would have said a little bit more about my plans.

But first, my moped is a bright red 1981 Vespa Grande. I bought it a week or
so ago for $250, in immaculate shape but not running. The owner and her
boyfriend thought it needed to have the carb cleaned, but as it turned out
it just needed some gas. To be fair, the previous owner had never used it,
but had gotten it from a friend a year or so ago, cleaned the dust off of
it, and decided to sell it.

Like I said, it's immaculate, with good chrome and paint and pretty much 99%
complete. Only 2,800 miles, too.

Since I bought it I've gotten quite an education on Vespa's and I guess
mopeds. The bike started and ran once it got some gas (I used motor oil in
the premix, and just guessed the amount), but I had problems with the signal
lights and brake light. The signals started working after soldering a loose
connection in the switch and making sure all the wiring and ground
connections were good.

The brake light was a complete puzzle. Everything looked good and the bulb
tested okay. My first surprize was when the brake switches (on the levers)
would open when the brakes were used instead of closing. I finally found out
how they work. Power to the brake light comes from the motor when it's
running, and is actually part of the ignition circuit. The brake light
switches normally ground the ignition circuit to the frame. When you use the
brakes, that circuit to ground is opened and the ignition circuit is then
grounded via the rear brake light.

Well, even after learning how it was supposed to work, I didn't have a clue
as to why it wasn't. There weren't any spliced in wires bypassing the tail
light circuit. There weren't any shorts to ground in either the switch
circuit or the tail light circuit. And the brake light still didn't work.
Well, I finally looked at the tail light bulb with the lens off and the
engine running and saw a faint red glow in the brake light filament. I
reversed the wires to the tail light and got a bright white light when I
used the brakes!!

So, my theory is that a more powerful automotive 6v (25w/5w) dual-filament
bulb was used when the Grande actually needs a special, lower power brake
light filament bulb. I put in a standard 1154 6v (21/3) bulb and got a faint
light you could actually see even through the lense cover, and think that a
6v 15/3 bulb listed in the Vespa Superstore website would fix it.

Right now I'm getting ready to run over to the local Vespa scooter shop
(First Kick, SF, CA) to see if they have the right bulb. They don't handle
any moped stuff but I'm betting some Vespa scooters used the same setup.
Once I get the brake working I'm looking forward to riding it as is for a
few weeks before I take out the ICE motor and start the electric conversion.

Seeya,

Henry Deaton
SF, CA

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From: jdichiara@worldnet.att.net@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Darin Dichiara)
Date: 7/12/97, 5:46:03 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Targa LX

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
> Date: 7/10/97, 4:21:17 AM
> Subject: Fw: Targa LX
> > ----------
> | Van: Sissy610@aol.com
> | Aan: staal@concepts.nl
> | Onderwerp: Targa LX
> | Datum: woensdag 9 juli 1997 17:17
> |
> | Hi My name is Betty and I am looking to buy a used Targa LX . Do you have
> one
> | to sell? If you don't. Do you know where I can get one? I have seen alot
> of
> | Mopeds But. I really like this one. thank you Betty Sissy 610
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
I have a 1995 Targa LX and and looking to sell it. It's Bright Red and
and I painted white speckels on it. It looks great and runs great. I can
get it up to 40 mph, which is unusual for a Tomos!
Darin Dichiara

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From: jdichiara@worldnet.att.net@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Darin Dichiara)
Date: 7/12/97, 6:02:26 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: jerky181's request concerning tomos mopeds

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: paltron@interlog.com (Paul Angyal)
> Date: 7/9/97, 9:58:05 AM
> Subject: Re: jerky181's request concerning tomos mopeds
> > Moped mailing list wrote:
> > > > ------- Reply to:nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo) ----------
> > > > My wife's 95 Tomos Targa seems to run very well. It has good power with the
> > bi-turbo pipe and easily cruises at 35, but will go faster. She paid about
> > $700.00 for it used, they seem to go for around $1,000.00 new.
> >

> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
What is a bi-turbo pipe? I have a targa lx and I put three slices in the
front end of the muffler and I can get it up to forty. Is this pipe made
for The targa Lx?

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From: Daytona82@aol.com ()
Date: 7/12/97, 7:21:52 PM
Subject: Puch '78 Maxi-Lux

hey, I saw your post in the moped mailing list. I'm looking to buy a moped
and saw a Puch maxi-luxe for sale, I believe '78 for $200. I haven't seen it
personally, but from what you know of your moped, do you think it's worth
getting? Any info would be greatly appreciated, since i can't find ANYTHING
on it. Can you give me the URL of the site with the picture of it? I'd
really like to see it. Thanx,
Dayton

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From: WD4POH@ns1.intrlink.com (Bob Meadows)
Date: 7/13/97, 3:11:09 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Virginia Moped Laws

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: Jerky181@aol.com ()
> Date: 7/9/97, 3:53:37 PM
> Subject: Virginia Moped Laws
> > Does anyone know the Virginia moped laws? I am interested in purchasing a
> moped for local use, but I have not been able to find any of the laws. If
> anyone knows about the state laws, please respond. Thanks!
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
I HAVE A MOPED AND CHECKED WITH OUR DMV---SEEMS THAT ENGINES OF < 85 CC
AND PEDALS ARE THE ONLY REQUIREMENTS. HELMETS NOT REQ'D BUT SUGGESTED.
ALSO NO INSURANCE, BUT A SMALL "PERSONAL LIABILITY POLICY" IS A GOOD
IDEA ($50,000).
GOOD LUCK AND HAVE FUN.
BOB, WD4POH@intrlink.com

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From: agner@erols.com (John Agner)
Date: 7/14/97, 11:54:19 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Virginia Moped Laws

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: WD4POH@ns1.intrlink.com (Bob Meadows)
> Date: 7/13/97, 3:11:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Virginia Moped Laws
> > Moped mailing list wrote:
> > > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> > From: Jerky181@aol.com ()
> > Date: 7/9/97, 3:53:37 PM
> > Subject: Virginia Moped Laws
> > > > Does anyone know the Virginia moped laws? I am interested in purchasing a
> > moped for local use, but I have not been able to find any of the laws. If
> > anyone knows about the state laws, please respond. Thanks!
> > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
> I HAVE A MOPED AND CHECKED WITH OUR DMV---SEEMS THAT ENGINES OF < 85 CC
> AND PEDALS ARE THE ONLY REQUIREMENTS. HELMETS NOT REQ'D BUT SUGGESTED.
> ALSO NO INSURANCE, BUT A SMALL "PERSONAL LIABILITY POLICY" IS A GOOD
> IDEA ($50,000).
> GOOD LUCK AND HAVE FUN.
> BOB, WD4POH@intrlink.com
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Does this mean no minimum age to operate one? This info would be
helpful to us campers who might visit your state packing a moped and a
teen. Thanks.

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From: BushMan89@aol.com ()
Date: 7/14/97, 12:33:14 PM
Subject:

Peter~

Hi, Im looking for mopeds for sail on the internet so i have a feel
of what price range im looking at. Do u know were i could fined that sort of
stuff?

Thanx's Matt

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From: bzonk@hotmail.com (Derek Rudd)
Date: 7/14/97, 1:15:55 PM
Subject: Tomos Targa

I was wondering if you know of a place that does porting. For a 50cc
moped engine. Tomos Targa. Also do you know any other methods of making
my moped go faster than 40mph Thank you

_______________________________________________________
Get Private Web-Based Email Free http://www.hotmail.com

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From: LUMPSTER@aol.com ()
Date: 7/14/97, 3:56:55 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: jerky181's request concerning tomos mopeds

In a message dated 97-07-14 11:18:51 EDT, you write:

<< What is a bi-turbo pipe? I have a targa lx and I put three slices in the
front end of the muffler and I can get it up to forty. Is this pipe made
for The targa Lx? >> it is an optional muffler exhaust system that works with all tomos mopeds. I
have a targa LX and with the pipe I can easily cruise at about 40-45. It
should be available from any tomos dealer and usually runs about $100 with
installation.

John
Tomos Targa LX

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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/14/97, 7:53:27 PM
Subject: Re: The puch rides again!

----------
| Van: Moped mailing list | Aan: Prender2478@msn.com
| Onderwerp: Fw: The puch rides again!
| Datum: zaterdag 12 juli 1997 18:26
|
| --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
----------------------------------------------
| From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
| Date: 7/12/97, 11:13:57 AM
| Subject: The puch rides again!
|
| I took everyones advice and cleaned out the exhaust on my '77 puch.
| And boy does she go now. The bottom end off the line increased
| 100 % and can now kick a '78 puch's butt.
|
| The only tricky part about cleaning the exhaust was putting the
| two pieces back together. Does anyone have any ideas on how to
| help get the rod back into the inside of the exhaust pipe?
|
|
| The top end of my moped is still not quite what it once was
| I don't think. And the '78 still kicks my butt in the long
| haul. Could this still be from running oil through it that
| was too thick? I have instructions on how to clean the carburator
| but I would rather not take that apart if there is another
| way to help it. Has anyone ever run a gas line cleaner through
| a moped? Is that safe or will it ruin the engine somehow?
|
| Thanks for the help on the exhaust,
|
|
| Jeff Coplan
| Brookings,SD
|
|
|
|
| --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
------------------------------------------------
Hi Jeff,

I think the 'rod' you are reffering to WAS welded inside.....(if you mean
that rod with the treat on it with the 2 nuts screwed onto)
-gasline cleaner can only be used (as far as i know) with the carb.
disconnected from the cylinder.. so if you have done this you are already
halfway a full disassembling of the carb,
Some day you 'll have to do this if you like it or not. (picture this:
driving on a long endless road a little piece of sand or dust blocks the
venturi and than.....
you have to OPEN IT. in the middle of nowhere with only a toothpick and a
knife )
So do it while you can (when you have all your tools at hand) ,and at least
once a year to prevent that horror story,
PS use the right size or screwdriver and every thing goes easy

Bye, Peter Staal

from: staal@concepts.nl
peter_tomos@geocities.com
Homepages:
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos

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From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo)
Date: 7/14/97, 9:46:50 PM
Subject: buying used mopeds, etc.

Dear fellow mopeders,

As one who learned the hard way, before buying any used moped (or
motorcycle) inspect the inside of the gas tank for rust. Fixing this problem
is not impossible but it is a time-consuming, tough job. If the tank is
rusted the particles will clog your carb, but only when you are 57.5 miles
from home.

Also, I received a bi-turbo exhaust for my '84 Puch from Andover Cycles and
it went on easy. While the power gain was not as significant as when putting
this exhaust on a Tomos Targa it does make the Puch faster and it feels as
it has more torque. This is probably the easiest way to increase power.

Maybe I'll try changing jets next. Any suggestions?

Sincerely,

John

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From: duckdogs@bright.net (Kauffman's)
Date: 7/14/97, 10:07:09 PM
Subject: 1957 Puch

I recently had an opportunity to buy what was described (by the seller) as a
1957 Puch. I have seen pictures of similar machines on the internet and
would have loved to have bought it. My questions are, are parts available
for machines of this vintage? What would be a fair price to pay for a
complete (not locked up) but faded and slight surface rust machine? What
are the performance characteristics, top speed etc? Is there anyone out
there who has one?

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From: webmaster@webscaper.com (Christopher D. Reagoso)
Date: 7/15/97, 7:54:26 AM
Subject: Tomos Targa Questions

Just got a Tomos Targa and I love it. I have 2 small questions about the
lighting on it:

1. Is there a way to get brighter after-market lights for it? The
headlight and brake lights especially!

2. When I put on my turn signal, it take a second or two for it to start
flashing. Is this normal?

Thanks! Catch ya!

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From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner)
Date: 7/15/97, 4:25:35 PM
Subject: Jawa Mechanical Help

Help!

I've tried just about everything to get my 1979 50cc Jawa running
correctly.It ran great for about 1hr the first day it was given to
me....after sitting in a garage for about 6 years. First dumped out about 3
tankfulls of gas to clean a filthy, rusted gas tank as best I could (does
anyone know where I can get a new, hopefully plastic gas tank?). That's when
I started it and ran it for about an hour. Then it suddenly died. Now
(after cleaning the exhaust, cleaning up coil connections, cleaning plug,
and cleaning carb TWICE) it sits and farts and stumbles at half throttle.
Won't idle. Carb mixture adjustment has no effect strangely enough....I
guess this means that my problem still points to the carb? Someone please
help before I die of NJ heat exhaustion working on this piece of !@#? or put
the damn thing out for the garbage collector.

A Desperate Chuck

PS - Anyone considering the flood of 'clean your exhaust mail' might be
interested in knowing that my 1/2 inch exhaust pipe was closed down to less
than 1/4 inch where it connects to the head! Not 'gum' either, but
incredibly hard black carbon deposit...had to be 'chisled' off with the
blade of a screwdriver. Cleaning it had no effect on my clunker however...
--------------------------------------------------------
Name: Chuck Koerner
E-mail: Chuck Koerner Date: 07/15/97
Time: 16:25:36

This message was sent by Z-Mail Pro - from NetManage
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From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch)
Date: 7/15/97, 5:27:07 PM
Subject: Whizzers and parts for whizzers

Does anyone know of a source of incomplete whizzers? I tried to connect
to a guy on Andre's site but it was no luck. Thanks for your
attention. Mike Burch

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From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com ()
Date: 7/15/97, 5:45:33 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: buying used mopeds, etc.

In a message dated 97-07-15 16:45:02 EDT, you write:

> From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo)
> Date: 7/14/97, 9:46:50 PM
> Subject: buying used mopeds, etc.
> > Dear fellow mopeders,
> > As one who learned the hard way, before buying any used moped (or
>motorcycle) inspect the inside of the gas tank for rust. Fixing this
problem
> is not impossible but it is a time-consuming, tough job. If the tank is
> rusted the particles will clog your carb, but only when you are 57.5 miles
>from home.
> > Also, I received a bi-turbo exhaust for my '84 Puch from Andover Cycles and
> it went on easy. While the power gain was not as significant as when
putting
> this exhaust on a Tomos Targa it does make the Puch faster and it feels as
>it has more torque. This is probably the easiest way to increase power.
> >Maybe I'll try changing jets next. Any suggestions?
> >Sincerely, John

a quick and dirty way to clean out rusty gas tanks is to first wash out with
hot soapy water, the loose rust flakes. next step is to gather up some small
rocks/gravel about the size of one's thumbnail and put into tank and then
shake it up good. empty, refill and do it again. it might even work better
with water, though i've never done it that way.

david

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From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch)
Date: 7/15/97, 6:19:29 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: buying used mopeds, etc.

Moped mailing list wrote:

> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ----------------------------------------------
> From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com ()
> Date: 7/15/97, 5:45:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: buying used mopeds, etc.
> > In a message dated 97-07-15 16:45:02 EDT, you write:
> > > From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo)
> > Date: 7/14/97, 9:46:50 PM
> > Subject: buying used mopeds, etc.
> > > > Dear fellow mopeders,
> > > > As one who learned the hard way, before buying any used moped (or
> >motorcycle) inspect the inside of the gas tank for rust. Fixing this
> > problem
> > is not impossible but it is a time-consuming, tough job. If the tank
> is
> > rusted the particles will clog your carb, but only when you are 57.5
> miles
> >from home.
> > > > Also, I received a bi-turbo exhaust for my '84 Puch from Andover
> Cycles and
> > it went on easy. While the power gain was not as significant as when
> > putting
> > this exhaust on a Tomos Targa it does make the Puch faster and it
> feels as
> >it has more torque. This is probably the easiest way to increase
> power.
> > > >Maybe I'll try changing jets next. Any suggestions?
> > > >Sincerely, John
> > a quick and dirty way to clean out rusty gas tanks is to first wash
> out with
> hot soapy water, the loose rust flakes. next step is to gather up some
> small
> rocks/gravel about the size of one's thumbnail and put into tank and
> then
> shake it up good. empty, refill and do it again. it might even work
> better
> with water, though i've never done it that way.
> > david
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ------------------------------------------------

That was a good suggestion from Dave, however if you would like to
take it a step further send it to me and I will sandblast the interior
of the tank and remove as much rust as possible. And if you want a
full blown restoration I can do the entire frame or just a part or
two... If I can help out let me know.. Best wishes.. Mike Burch

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From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch)
Date: 7/15/97, 6:31:41 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Jawa Mechanical Help

Moped mailing list wrote:

> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ----------------------------------------------
> From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner)
> Date: 7/15/97, 4:25:35 PM
> Subject: Jawa Mechanical Help
> > Help!
> > I've tried just about everything to get my 1979 50cc Jawa running
> correctly.It ran great for about 1hr the first day it was given to
> me....after sitting in a garage for about 6 years. First dumped out
> about 3
> tankfulls of gas to clean a filthy, rusted gas tank as best I could
> (does
> anyone know where I can get a new, hopefully plastic gas tank?).
> That's when
> I started it and ran it for about an hour. Then it suddenly died. Now
> > (after cleaning the exhaust, cleaning up coil connections, cleaning
> plug,
> and cleaning carb TWICE) it sits and farts and stumbles at half
> throttle.
> Won't idle. Carb mixture adjustment has no effect strangely
> enough....I
> guess this means that my problem still points to the carb? Someone
> please
> help before I die of NJ heat exhaustion working on this piece of !@#?
> or put
> the damn thing out for the garbage collector.
> > A Desperate Chuck
> > PS - Anyone considering the flood of 'clean your exhaust mail' might
> be
> interested in knowing that my 1/2 inch exhaust pipe was closed down to
> less
> than 1/4 inch where it connects to the head! Not 'gum' either, but
> incredibly hard black carbon deposit...had to be 'chisled' off with
> the
> blade of a screwdriver. Cleaning it had no effect on my clunker
> however...
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Name: Chuck Koerner
> E-mail: Chuck Koerner > Date: 07/15/97
> Time: 16:25:36
> > This message was sent by Z-Mail Pro - from NetManage
> NetManage - delivers Standards Based IntraNet Solutions
> --------------------------------------------------------
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ------------------------------------------------

Hi Chuck, My suggestion is to check out the points. Make sure that the
proper gap is happening at the right point on the cam. Could the
aircleaner be dirty? Will the engine run on a drink of starting fluid
or carb cleaner? Could the spark plug be fouled? Is the gas/fuel
mixture in precise measurement? I bought my second Sach's suburban from
this kid who said that the spark plug fouled frequently. It turned out
that he had too much oil in the fuel.. It runs like a champ now. :-).
Let us know how it turns out. Be patient you will get it ok.. Best
wishes Mike Burch

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From: WPDORE@aol.com ()
Date: 7/15/97, 6:33:48 PM
Subject: moped riders in Missouri?

I'd like to share some riding days with fellow moped enthusiasts in and
around eastern Missouri.
Drop me a line----
all the best,
Pat Dore

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/15/97, 7:23:09 PM
Subject: Fw: Pacer Manual

--- Please reply to vano11@aol.com -----
Help! We are trying to find a service or parts manual for a Hero Pacer
Moped.
The dealer in Dayton, Ohio says there is no such thing.
Can you help us out????

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/15/97, 7:26:42 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: buying used mopeds, etc.

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com ()
> Date: 7/15/97, 5:45:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: buying used mopeds, etc.
> > In a message dated 97-07-15 16:45:02 EDT, you write:
> > > From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo)
> > Date: 7/14/97, 9:46:50 PM
> > Subject: buying used mopeds, etc.
> > > > Dear fellow mopeders,
> > > > As one who learned the hard way, before buying any used moped (or
> >motorcycle) inspect the inside of the gas tank for rust. Fixing this
> problem
> > is not impossible but it is a time-consuming, tough job. If the tank is
> > rusted the particles will clog your carb, but only when you are 57.5 miles
> >from home.
> > > > Also, I received a bi-turbo exhaust for my '84 Puch from Andover Cycles and
> > it went on easy. While the power gain was not as significant as when
> putting
> > this exhaust on a Tomos Targa it does make the Puch faster and it feels as
> >it has more torque. This is probably the easiest way to increase power.
> > > >Maybe I'll try changing jets next. Any suggestions?
> > > >Sincerely, John
> > a quick and dirty way to clean out rusty gas tanks is to first wash out with
> hot soapy water, the loose rust flakes. next step is to gather up some small
> rocks/gravel about the size of one's thumbnail and put into tank and then
> shake it up good. empty, refill and do it again. it might even work better
> with water, though i've never done it that way.
> > david
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
You can also get Kreem which is a 3-stage tank-liner kit; it totally
eats out the rust, then coats the whole interior with plastic, like
Pepto-Bismol. Motorcycle shops carry it. Up here in Canada, it's about
$40 (US$ 30). Works very well, I'm told.
Paul

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/15/97, 10:46:13 PM
Subject: Honda NA 50

----- reply to Bruce L. Lathrop -------
...
Greetings from sunny Southern California.

I just bought a near new 1981 Honda Express II, and I need to get a copy
of the original owners manual. How can I do that??

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Bruce Lathrop

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From: duckdogs@bright.net (Kauffman's)
Date: 7/15/97, 11:19:34 PM
Subject: rusted gas tanks

I recently cleaned out the tank on a 79 Puch which had sat idle for 7-8
years. I was more trouble than I ever imagined. Took me abt a month. What I
did is described as follows.
First I flushed it out with approx 15 gal of gasoline followed by an equal
amount of hot detergent water. With each filling, I shook the thing side to
side and bounced it up and down a bit. With the water flushings I also
inserted a plumbers snake and wangled it around a bit. Several times during
this, I blew it out with compressed air to dry it and inspected it with one
of those little mirrors and a tiny little light on a stalk. At first I was
hardly able to see much, but as I removed rust I was eventually able to see
some of the tank insides.
Step two involved a mixture of molasses and water into the tank and let it
sit a month. This sounds strange, but after having read abt it I tried it
on some rusty parts in a jar and it worked. Actually I drained it a couple
of times and refilled just to keep things stirred up.
Number three was a further scraping of the tank, particularily the bottom.
The visual inspection after the molasses revealed a layer of rust gook,
particulate matter at leist on the bottom. I needed a long scraper of sorts
that I could insert through the gas filler bend and again the bend at the
bottom of the tank. The thing needed to be springy enough to scrape the
bottom. What I used was a piece of metal banding, the type they use to
strap stuff to pallets. Worked perfect. Got it all loose. What didnt come
out the Fuel tap hole with more water flushing I got with a vacuum after it
had dried. Ok, so now I've got the thing perfectly clean
inside. No more chunks of rust. I can actually see clearly the inside of
the tank, (although not clear to the back or the top of the back part).
Only thing remaining is a light coating of surface rust. Bare metal,
followed by water, followed by air doesnt stay bare long. So I finished up
with a kit from Eastwood, 2 solutions and a sealer. I'll bet I
removed 2 or 3 cups of rust from inside that tank. It's a wonder the thing
didn't leak like a seive. Greg Kauffman, 79 Puch with clean tank.

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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/16/97, 12:31:01 AM
Subject: Re: Tomos Targa Questions

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| Van: Moped mailing list | Aan: bzonk@hotmail.com
| Onderwerp: Fw: Tomos Targa Questions
| Datum: dinsdag 15 juli 1997 22:17
|
| --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
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| From: webmaster@webscaper.com (Christopher D. Reagoso)
| Date: 7/15/97, 7:54:26 AM
| Subject: Tomos Targa Questions
|
| Just got a Tomos Targa and I love it. I have 2 small questions about the
| lighting on it:
|
| 1. Is there a way to get brighter after-market lights for it? The
| headlight and brake lights especially!
|
| 2. When I put on my turn signal, it take a second or two for it to start
| flashing. Is this normal?
|
| Thanks! Catch ya!
|
|
|
| --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
------------------------------------------------
answer 1. yes buy lower voltage , but same Watt's bulbs, they only last
shorter due to the higher temps. or better buy a range of them (different
watts and volts) and experiment with it, in lasting time and brightness (it
all depends on the total output from the (internal) dynamo, this can vary
bike by bike)

answer 2 Yes the coil / capacitator has to loadup before your lights go on

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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/16/97, 12:36:41 AM
Subject: Re: 1957 Puch

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| Van: Moped mailing list | Aan: bzonk@hotmail.com
| Onderwerp: Fw: 1957 Puch
| Datum: dinsdag 15 juli 1997 22:17
|
| --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
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| From: duckdogs@bright.net (Kauffman's)
| Date: 7/14/97, 10:07:09 PM
| Subject: 1957 Puch
|
| I recently had an opportunity to buy what was described (by the seller)
as a
| 1957 Puch. I have seen pictures of similar machines on the internet and
| would have loved to have bought it. My questions are, are parts available
| for machines of this vintage? What would be a fair price to pay for a
| complete (not locked up) but faded and slight surface rust machine? What
| are the performance characteristics, top speed etc? Is there anyone out
| there who has one?
|
|
|
| --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
------------------------------------------------

57??
have a look at the 'history' section and the photo page , maybe you start
to wonder about some thing then. (i don't know where you 're from, but a
price indication in HFL (dutch) are on my page too.
(the older tomos types are puch 'copies')
(also easy for the parts)
Bye, Peter Staal

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peter_tomos@geocities.com
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http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/16/97, 12:44:52 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Fw: buying used mopeds, etc.

----------
| Van: Moped mailing list | Aan: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be
| Onderwerp: Fw: Re: Fw: buying used mopeds, etc.
| Datum: dinsdag 15 juli 1997 23:49
|
| --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
----------------------------------------------
| From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com ()
| Date: 7/15/97, 5:45:33 PM
| Subject: Re: Fw: buying used mopeds, etc.
|
| In a message dated 97-07-15 16:45:02 EDT, you write:
|
| > From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo)
| > Date: 7/14/97, 9:46:50 PM
| > Subject: buying used mopeds, etc.
| > | > Dear fellow mopeders,
| > | > As one who learned the hard way, before buying any used moped (or
| >motorcycle) inspect the inside of the gas tank for rust. Fixing this
| problem
| > is not impossible but it is a time-consuming, tough job. If the tank is
| > rusted the particles will clog your carb, but only when you are 57.5
miles
| >from home.
| > | > Also, I received a bi-turbo exhaust for my '84 Puch from Andover Cycles
and
| > it went on easy. While the power gain was not as significant as when
| putting
| > this exhaust on a Tomos Targa it does make the Puch faster and it feels
as
| >it has more torque. This is probably the easiest way to increase power.
| > | >Maybe I'll try changing jets next. Any suggestions?
| > | >Sincerely, John
|
| a quick and dirty way to clean out rusty gas tanks is to first wash out
with
| hot soapy water, the loose rust flakes. next step is to gather up some
small
| rocks/gravel about the size of one's thumbnail and put into tank and then
| shake it up good. empty, refill and do it again. it might even work
better
| with water, though i've never done it that way.
|
| david
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
------------------------------------------------
for the big chucks and +/- 2 mm crums this works ok,
I did it once this way but it costs some time to get the sand (from the
stones) and they tiny particals out flushing under the water tap (dry it
for a few hours and ready)

so for the real Quick and very Dirty types among us , Strap (don't hold it
in your hands, or your mates!! it will get seriously hot) the tank in
upside down position and put in the filling gap a steamcleaner (high
pressure, like Karcher(or at the carwash)) and finish the job, YOU Wont
Stay Clean i promise. but it is CLEAN and DRY in 15 MIN.

Bye, Peter Staal

from: staal@concepts.nl
peter_tomos@geocities.com
Homepages:
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos

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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/16/97, 1:01:11 AM
Subject: Re: Jawa Mechanical Help

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| Van: Moped mailing list | Aan: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be
| Onderwerp: Fw: Jawa Mechanical Help
| Datum: dinsdag 15 juli 1997 23:13
|
| --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
----------------------------------------------
| From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner)
| Date: 7/15/97, 4:25:35 PM
| Subject: Jawa Mechanical Help
|
| Help!
|
| I've tried just about everything to get my 1979 50cc Jawa running
| correctly.It ran great for about 1hr the first day it was given to
| me....after sitting in a garage for about 6 years. First dumped out about
3
| tankfulls of gas to clean a filthy, rusted gas tank as best I could (does
| anyone know where I can get a new, hopefully plastic gas tank?). That's
when
| I started it and ran it for about an hour. Then it suddenly died. Now
| (after cleaning the exhaust, cleaning up coil connections, cleaning plug,
| and cleaning carb TWICE) it sits and farts and stumbles at half throttle.
| Won't idle. Carb mixture adjustment has no effect strangely enough....I
| guess this means that my problem still points to the carb? Someone please
| help before I die of NJ heat exhaustion working on this piece of !@#? or
put
| the damn thing out for the garbage collector.
|
| A Desperate Chuck
|
| PS - Anyone considering the flood of 'clean your exhaust mail' might be
| interested in knowing that my 1/2 inch exhaust pipe was closed down to
less
| than 1/4 inch where it connects to the head! Not 'gum' either, but
| incredibly hard black carbon deposit...had to be 'chisled' off with the
| blade of a screwdriver. Cleaning it had no effect on my clunker
however...
| --------------------------------------------------------
| Name: Chuck Koerner
| E-mail: Chuck Koerner | Date: 07/15/97
| Time: 16:25:36
|
| This message was sent by Z-Mail Pro - from NetManage
| NetManage - delivers Standards Based IntraNet Solutions
| --------------------------------------------------------
|
|
|
| --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
------------------------------------------------
Have you considered puting a gas filter in the gas tube (to prevent the
rust from doing damage any more), i assume that driving withe the rust
enriched mixture has taken the last toll on you cylinders surface, (so
check if there is any compression left), it can also be a (yes which) part
what has warmed up to its limit and began leaking . or shifted from it's
place causing a airleak after the carb. that's why you can't slow it down.
or only a ignition problem....(timing shifted?)
(the coal in you exhaust IS BURNABLE , so heat it white / red and it
almost removes itselve, OK, the exterior from the pipe will never be the
same but, what do you want with a blacksmiths trick)
Bye, Peter Staal

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peter_tomos@geocities.com
Homepages:
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From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch)
Date: 7/16/97, 1:10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Pacer Manual

Moped mailing list wrote:

> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ----------------------------------------------
> From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
> Date: 7/15/97, 7:23:09 PM
> Subject: Fw: Pacer Manual
> > --- Please reply to vano11@aol.com -----
> Help! We are trying to find a service or parts manual for a Hero
> Pacer
> Moped.
> The dealer in Dayton, Ohio says there is no such thing.
> Can you help us out????
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ------------------------------------------------

Try Steves Moped and Bicycles at MopedMoped@Aol.com they have alot
of stuff.

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From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com (FINANCE 223-0683)
Date: 7/16/97, 7:42:57 AM
Subject: RE: Fw: Re: Re: Fw: buying used mopeds, etc.

Peter Staal!!!

Re: Strap it and steam clean the tank @ the car wash

= GREAT IDEA - I'll use that one for sure!

Thanks!

Marc Bibeault
marc.bibeault@pko.mts.dec.com

From: US8RMC::"daugava@nothnbut.net" "Moped mailing list" 15-JUL-1997 19:47:17.89
To: johnsag@idt.net
CC: distribution:;@us8rmc.bb.dec.com (see end of body)
Subj: Fw: Re: Re: Fw: buying used mopeds, etc.

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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/16/97, 12:44:52 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Fw: buying used mopeds, etc.

| a quick and dirty way to clean out rusty gas tanks is to first wash out
with
| hot soapy water, the loose rust flakes. next step is to gather up some
small
| rocks/gravel about the size of one's thumbnail and put into tank and then
| shake it up good. empty, refill and do it again. it might even work
better
| with water, though i've never done it that way.
|
| david
------------------------------------------------
for the big chucks and +/- 2 mm crums this works ok,
I did it once this way but it costs some time to get the sand (from the
stones) and they tiny particals out flushing under the water tap (dry it
for a few hours and ready)

so for the real Quick and very Dirty types among us , Strap (don't hold it
in your hands, or your mates!! it will get seriously hot) the tank in
upside down position and put in the filling gap a steamcleaner (high
pressure, like Karcher(or at the carwash)) and finish the job, YOU Wont
Stay Clean i promise. but it is CLEAN and DRY in 15 MIN.

Bye, Peter Staal

from: staal@concepts.nl
peter_tomos@geocities.com
Homepages:
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos

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From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com ()
Date: 7/16/97, 8:00:01 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Jawa Mechanical Help

In a message dated 97-07-15 23:27:24 EDT, you write:

<< |
| PS - Anyone considering the flood of 'clean your exhaust mail' might be
| interested in knowing that my 1/2 inch exhaust pipe was closed down to
less
| than 1/4 inch where it connects to the head! Not 'gum' either, but
| incredibly hard black carbon deposit...had to be 'chisled' off with the
| blade of a screwdriver. Cleaning it had no effect on my clunker
however... >>
a trick i've used to clean out pipes is to build a fire in a barrel and then
throw the exhaust pipe in. once it gets hot it will start smoking and burning
the junk out. works great, but after i did it twice to one pipe, the thin
metal the pipe was made of started to crack. perhaps a smaller fire or less
time in the fire might prolong the life of the muffler.

david

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From: abburns@ingr.com (Burns, Ashley B)
Date: 7/16/97, 9:26:47 AM
Subject: checking charging system/pinging on Honda Aero 80

Yesterday I tried to start up the scooter and head to work but there was
no juice from the battery. I jumped it and rode it for about 5 miles.
Stopped it and tried to start it again but still no juice. I thought
the battery might have been trash, so I took it back. I had another new
battery at the house so I put in the acid in and charged it up.

I am wondering if the charging system on the scooter is charging the
battery. At idle I read about 12.8 volts from the new battery. I
thought this would be 13.5 -14 volts since the system should be charging
the battery. I increase the engine speed and still 12.8 volts. I still
may have to charge the new battery some more. The manufacture suggests
charging for about 10 hours. I did it for about 5 and it has ample
power to start the motor. I disconnected the battery and measured
about 5 volts at the battery leads at idle. Does this sound correct?
What is the best way to check the system?

I am still waiting on my service manual so hopefully I will have more
info in a couple of days or sooner if someone on the list can help.

I also am hearing some sounds at idle which sound like the engine
pinging. I thought that the piston might have carbon buildup. I
decoked it last night but have not reassembled to test. The piston did
not show any signs of pinging and I could still see hone marks on parts
of the cylinder.

Anyone know the torque spec on the head bolts? I don't want to torque
them too much and have the studs pull out from the case when the engine
heats up. Any other ideas on the pinging sound or may this is something
normal from these engines. The plug looks good - no oil fouling and it
is not running hot. The engine runs good and I can get it up to 45mph.

Thanks....
------------------------------------------
Ashley Burns
Intergraph Corporation
205-730-3842

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From: HarHill@aol.com ()
Date: 7/16/97, 10:04:28 AM
Subject: Jawa Gear Oil

I am looking to find gearbox oil for a '79 Jawa. I am in the Chicago area.
The manual calls for SAE30-50w gear oil. I have had no luck at automotive
stores or local motorcycle shops. Is there an acceptable substitute ?

Harold

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/16/97, 12:49:32 PM
Subject: Jawa 2-speed

Symptoms:
engine starts, idles well, but doesn't engage the gears for about 3-4
minutes when for no reason whatsoever suddenly starts to roll. Runs OK
shifts OK for about 7-10 minutes, then suddenly refuses to get out of
the 1st gear and quickly overheats and stalls. After 5-min cooling down,
it starts again nice and the cycle repeats itself.
It is a relatively new bike ('87), only a 1,000 mi on it. Carb clean,
tank clean, exhaust clean, no visible oil deposits in or around the
clutches' shoes.
The one thing I noticed that there is some oil getting into the magneto
and is also dripping out of the crankcase (very little though).
My theory is that the gearbox oil might be leaking into the magneto and
to the clutch drums and it takes a little while until it burns off; this
is when the bike takes off. Then, when it ran for a while, it soaks up
the oil again. I suspected the crankcase seal but it doesn't leak at all
when standing overnight.
I almost thought that there would be some kind of a heat sensor built in
that wouldn'ty allow you to drive off before the engine is warm enough.
Any suggestions, ideas?
Will be appreciated.
Paul

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From: lanaya@notes.cc.bellcore.com (Luis R. Anaya)
Date: 7/16/97, 1:56:40 PM
Subject: Total clueless wants basic information...

Hi:

I always wondered about mopeds, that's why I'm here, however I have no clue
about
how are they used, besides of sitting on them, starting them up and go.
Although this
will sound like pretty simple and clueless questions, I some might think I'm
trying
to take you for the ride, I'm not, I honestly do not have a clue.

So here I go...
what kind of helmet you use (motorcycle or bike?)?.

How fast they could go? I've been reading that
the average is about 35 Km/h (21 Miles/h) but are there ones that could go up
to 35Mph
(that would be the average city speed). Well, I also have been thinking about a
highway legal scooter, but I would not want to shell out that much money if I
do not have to.

I know that New Jersey has special regulation for mopeds, unlike some places, I
do know
that you need to get a license plate for them, anything other regulations that
I should be
aware of?

Does the sharing the road laws are the same as a bicycle (stay in right except
to change lanes)
or if if you are speedy enough, can you just go in the middle of the road?

I do not think they are allowed on bike paths, is not it?

What's the reliability of them? If I go to BJ's and buy one of 'el cheapo'
ones, will I be
happy? Is it better to buy a used one if I'm just trying them out?

How safe are they? (Probably depends on the driver...)

Thanks for your time,

Luis Anaya

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From: agner@erols.com (John Agner)
Date: 7/16/97, 2:40:34 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Total clueless wants basic information...

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: lanaya@notes.cc.bellcore.com (Luis R. Anaya)
> Date: 7/16/97, 1:56:40 PM
> Subject: Total clueless wants basic information...
> > Hi:
> > I always wondered about mopeds, that's why I'm here, however I have no clue
> about
> how are they used, besides of sitting on them, starting them up and go.
> Although this
> will sound like pretty simple and clueless questions, I some might think I'm
> trying
> to take you for the ride, I'm not, I honestly do not have a clue.
> > So here I go...
> what kind of helmet you use (motorcycle or bike?)?.
> > How fast they could go? I've been reading that
> the average is about 35 Km/h (21 Miles/h) but are there ones that could go up
> to 35Mph
> (that would be the average city speed). Well, I also have been thinking about a
> highway legal scooter, but I would not want to shell out that much money if I
> do not have to.
> > I know that New Jersey has special regulation for mopeds, unlike some places, I
> do know
> that you need to get a license plate for them, anything other regulations that
> I should be
> aware of?
> > Does the sharing the road laws are the same as a bicycle (stay in right except
> to change lanes)
> or if if you are speedy enough, can you just go in the middle of the road?
> > I do not think they are allowed on bike paths, is not it?
> > What's the reliability of them? If I go to BJ's and buy one of 'el cheapo'
> ones, will I be
> happy? Is it better to buy a used one if I'm just trying them out?
> > How safe are they? (Probably depends on the driver...)
> > Thanks for your time,
> > Luis Anaya
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Go to motor vehicle to get a manual that will spell out all the
messages. Scooters are different, and if may be used on interstates in
NJ if they can handle the minimum speed (which I think is 40 or 45)
although I wouldn't go on an interstate in NJ without a bike that could
handle a steady 50. Of course, you need a motorcycle rather than a
moped license to drive a scooter, and that means you have to be 17
rather than 15. Also, a scooter may carry a passenger if designed to do
so, while a moped may not carry a passenger. Mopeds may not be driven
on divided highways or highways which have a speed limit in excess of
50, even if a two lane. Check the moped manual for other details.
Regarding new vs. used, you might check out the many web sites to look
for used mopeds. If it runs well, I'd go with a used one. A used one
may be had for as little as 250. The insurance for an adult goes for
about 125 to 75 per year, depending on age and driving experience. Good
luck in your search!

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From: WPDORE@aol.com ()
Date: 7/16/97, 5:34:39 PM
Subject: Re: the truth about Missouri Moped Laws

Greetings all:
After an email to the Missouri Highway Patrol, I recieved a copy of the
statutes involving "motorized bicycles:
1.Must have drivers license
2.No use on interstate highways
3.Not more than 50ccs
4.Less than 30mph on level grade
5;Ride as far to right as possible
6.Less than 3 brake horsepower
Nothing else except standard lighting, brakes, and auto transmission

Hope this sets some minds at rest.

All the best,
Pat Dore

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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/16/97, 11:07:18 PM
Subject: Re: checking charging system/pinging on Honda Aero 80

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| Van: Moped mailing list | Aan: kmccart@CAM.ORG
| Onderwerp: Fw: checking charging system/pinging on Honda Aero 80
| Datum: woensdag 16 juli 1997 18:03
|
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| From: abburns@ingr.com (Burns, Ashley B)
| Date: 7/16/97, 9:26:47 AM
| Subject: checking charging system/pinging on Honda Aero 80
|
| Yesterday I tried to start up the scooter and head to work but there was
| no juice from the battery. I jumped it and rode it for about 5 miles.
| Stopped it and tried to start it again but still no juice. I thought
| the battery might have been trash, so I took it back. I had another new
| battery at the house so I put in the acid in and charged it up.
|
| I am wondering if the charging system on the scooter is charging the
| battery. At idle I read about 12.8 volts from the new battery. I
| thought this would be 13.5 -14 volts since the system should be charging
| the battery. I increase the engine speed and still 12.8 volts. I still
| may have to charge the new battery some more. The manufacture suggests
| charging for about 10 hours. I did it for about 5 and it has ample
| power to start the motor. I disconnected the battery and measured
| about 5 volts at the battery leads at idle. Does this sound correct?
| What is the best way to check the system?
|
| I am still waiting on my service manual so hopefully I will have more
| info in a couple of days or sooner if someone on the list can help.
|
| I also am hearing some sounds at idle which sound like the engine
| pinging. I thought that the piston might have carbon buildup. I
| decoked it last night but have not reassembled to test. The piston did
| not show any signs of pinging and I could still see hone marks on parts
| of the cylinder.
|
| Anyone know the torque spec on the head bolts? I don't want to torque
| them too much and have the studs pull out from the case when the engine
| heats up. Any other ideas on the pinging sound or may this is something
| normal from these engines. The plug looks good - no oil fouling and it
| is not running hot. The engine runs good and I can get it up to 45mph.
|
| Thanks....
| ------------------------------------------
| Ashley Burns
| Intergraph Corporation
| 205-730-3842
|
|
|
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Hello Ashley,
i don't know anything about honda's but it sounds as a broken voltage
regulator, because after 15 min running a battery should be loaded enough
to restart. (what would all the short ride city people do with it then...)
voltage at an charged battery (in my car) has to be 13.8 at idle (you are
RIGHT)
any thing lower upto 12.0 can be acceptable but is a token of weakness.
try to put the battery in the bike, start manualy (if possible) measure at
the battery and it MUST have 13-14 V otherwise it is not recharging the
pack.
if not ... could be the dynamo (may also explain the for you new pinging
sound because the ignition has a lack of current) or the regulator between
the dynamo and the battery (doesn't switch 'on' or does not function any
way) causing no reload current on the battery..
check it out dude, you sound quit sane to me so you can solve this one too
(i hope for you) measure raw battery voltage, and you'll know, than figure
out where the 'blackbox' is .. (sometimes it is 'hidden' in the dynamo
casing!)
(btw i think you measured the 5 v just after trying the starter, isn't
it...stone dead)

Bye, Peter Staal

from: staal@concepts.nl
peter_tomos@geocities.com
Homepages:
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/16/97, 11:15:32 PM
Subject: Re: Jawa Gear Oil

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| Van: Moped mailing list | Aan: HarHill@aol.com
| Onderwerp: Fw: Jawa Gear Oil
| Datum: woensdag 16 juli 1997 16:15
|
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| From: HarHill@aol.com ()
| Date: 7/16/97, 10:04:28 AM
| Subject: Jawa Gear Oil
|
| I am looking to find gearbox oil for a '79 Jawa. I am in the Chicago
area.
| The manual calls for SAE30-50w gear oil. I have had no luck at automotive
| stores or local motorcycle shops. Is there an acceptable substitute ?
|
| Harold
|
|
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???? sae 30w50 is almost the most common motor oil on this planet, i don't
know what you've asked, but even the supermarked has it here....
btw 20w40 20-w50 or any thing will do, when you do not ask the limits of
power and torque (no serious cross or race events) but for normal road and
temperatures every car motoroil will do, even the cheapest .
check the state and level regulary and nothing can happen to you (r gear
system)

Bye, Peter Staal

from: staal@concepts.nl
peter_tomos@geocities.com
Homepages:
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/16/97, 11:32:35 PM
Subject: Re: Jawa 2-speed

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| Van: Moped mailing list | Aan: papo@bigcat.bellcore.com
| Onderwerp: Fw: Jawa 2-speed
| Datum: woensdag 16 juli 1997 18:51
|
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| From: paltron@interlog.com ()
| Date: 7/16/97, 12:49:32 PM
| Subject: Jawa 2-speed
|
| Symptoms:
| engine starts, idles well, but doesn't engage the gears for about 3-4
| minutes when for no reason whatsoever suddenly starts to roll. Runs OK
| shifts OK for about 7-10 minutes, then suddenly refuses to get out of
| the 1st gear and quickly overheats and stalls. After 5-min cooling down,
| it starts again nice and the cycle repeats itself.
| It is a relatively new bike ('87), only a 1,000 mi on it. Carb clean,
| tank clean, exhaust clean, no visible oil deposits in or around the
| clutches' shoes.
| The one thing I noticed that there is some oil getting into the magneto
| and is also dripping out of the crankcase (very little though).
| My theory is that the gearbox oil might be leaking into the magneto and
| to the clutch drums and it takes a little while until it burns off; this
| is when the bike takes off. Then, when it ran for a while, it soaks up
| the oil again. I suspected the crankcase seal but it doesn't leak at all
| when standing overnight.
| I almost thought that there would be some kind of a heat sensor built in
| that wouldn'ty allow you to drive off before the engine is warm enough.
| Any suggestions, ideas?
| Will be appreciated.
| Paul
|
|
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Hi Paul,
could it be that the crankcase seal only leaks when hot ??
or get false air sucked in where the oil is leaking out of the crankcase ?
(and closes the gap at a given temp?(or not at all))
OK it is relative new BUT IS NOT MADE in 2087 , the more sensors and stuff
the more failures... so, no sane manufacturer would make this until made by
law...

ok this all does not explain the gear / clutch problem ... it sounds still
misty to me.
PS checked the groundplate of the ignition or the flywheel.. lose or
shifting?
could also cause irrational loss or/and gain of power, overheating, high
rpm with almost no fuel etc.

Succes,
Bye, Peter Staal

from: staal@concepts.nl
peter_tomos@geocities.com
Homepages:
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos

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From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
Date: 7/17/97, 11:02:07 AM
Subject: South Dakota Moped laws

After being pulled over now three times in the first week of my
moped ownership, I am now familiar with South Dakota Moped laws.

Moped is defined as a motorized vehicle with two wheels that doesn't
exceed 50 cc's and doesn't travel over 30 mph.
Must have a headlight visible from 100 ft.
Must have a tail light visible from 250 ft.
Must wear eye protection.
Must possess a driver's license (doesn't have to be motorcycle endorsed)

Anyone else been pulled over on a moped?

Jeff Coplan
Brookings, SD

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From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo)
Date: 7/18/97, 6:09:23 PM
Subject: '84 Puch

Dear moped folks,

Two quick questions:

1. Is it unusual for a moped to have a muted backfire when letting
off the throttle at a (relatively) fast speed? And if it is a problem what
is the cause and cure?

2. When my moped gets to about 27 mph it feels like it has no fuel
for a second or so and then it resumes power then falters again, eventually
it will run good. Could this problem be cured by different jetting in the
carb or perhaps a different carb?

I would appreciate any help.......i only have about 700 questions after these.

Sincerely,

John

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From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com (FINANCE 223-0683)
Date: 7/18/97, 6:36:28 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: '84 Puch

Hi,

#2. Sounds like a dirty fuel filter.

Rgds,
Marc

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From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo)
Date: 7/18/97, 6:09:23 PM
Subject: '84 Puch

Dear moped folks,

Two quick questions:

1. Is it unusual for a moped to have a muted backfire when letting
off the throttle at a (relatively) fast speed? And if it is a problem what
is the cause and cure?

2. When my moped gets to about 27 mph it feels like it has no fuel
for a second or so and then it resumes power then falters again, eventually
it will run good. Could this problem be cured by different jetting in the
carb or perhaps a different carb?

I would appreciate any help.......i only have about 700 questions after these.

Sincerely,

John

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/18/97, 7:02:38 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Jawa 2-speed

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
> Date: 7/16/97, 11:32:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Jawa 2-speed
> > | From: paltron@interlog.com ()
> | Date: 7/16/97, 12:49:32 PM
> | Subject: Jawa 2-speed
> |
> | Symptoms:
> | engine starts, idles well, but doesn't engage the gears for about 3-4
> | minutes when for no reason whatsoever suddenly starts to roll. Runs OK
> | shifts OK for about 7-10 minutes, then suddenly refuses to get out of
> | the 1st gear and quickly overheats and stalls. After 5-min cooling down,
> | it starts again nice and the cycle repeats itself.
> | It is a relatively new bike ('87), only a 1,000 mi on it. Carb clean,
> | tank clean, exhaust clean, no visible oil deposits in or around the
> | clutches' shoes.
> | The one thing I noticed that there is some oil getting into the magneto
> | and is also dripping out of the crankcase (very little though).
> | My theory is that the gearbox oil might be leaking into the magneto and
> | to the clutch drums and it takes a little while until it burns off; this
> | is when the bike takes off. Then, when it ran for a while, it soaks up
> | the oil again. I suspected the crankcase seal but it doesn't leak at all
> | when standing overnight.
> | I almost thought that there would be some kind of a heat sensor built in
> | that wouldn'ty allow you to drive off before the engine is warm enough.
> | Any suggestions, ideas?
> | Will be appreciated.
> | Paul
> ------------------------------------------------
> Hi Paul,
> could it be that the crankcase seal only leaks when hot ??
> or get false air sucked in where the oil is leaking out of the crankcase ?
> (and closes the gap at a given temp?(or not at all))
> OK it is relative new BUT IS NOT MADE in 2087 , the more sensors and stuff
> the more failures... so, no sane manufacturer would make this until made by
> law...
> > ok this all does not explain the gear / clutch problem ... it sounds still
> misty to me.
> PS checked the groundplate of the ignition or the flywheel.. lose or
> shifting?
> could also cause irrational loss or/and gain of power, overheating, high
> rpm with almost no fuel etc.
> > Succes,
> Bye, Peter Staal
> > from: staal@concepts.nl
> peter_tomos@geocities.com
> Homepages:
> http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
> http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Jawa - chapter 2:
I changed the gear oil, checked all gaskets (no leaks ever), cleaned
exhaust (again) and convinced myself that - as Peter says -
manufacturers were not so smart back in the 80-s.
Then I sat down and was trying to think of something REALLY SIMPLE AND
STUPID. And I think I got it.
The carb has a springloaded choke plate with a small airhole in the
middle so the engine can idle. But if the plate sticks (doesn't
disengage) the engine can only continue idling while sucking itself full
with too rich mixture and eventually flood everything. Proof: the plug
is always wet.
I also checked the clutches and found no excessive wear or oil or water
in them.
Could I be right? Haven't tried to start it yet, but sounds very real to
me.
Paul

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/18/97, 7:17:06 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: '84 Puch

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo)
> Date: 7/18/97, 6:09:23 PM
> Subject: '84 Puch
> > Dear moped folks,
> > Two quick questions:
> > 1. Is it unusual for a moped to have a muted backfire when letting
> off the throttle at a (relatively) fast speed? And if it is a problem what
> is the cause and cure?
Mild case of down-throttle backfiring is OK, but not when you're
accelerating. If it happens then, check the ignition timing.
> 2. When my moped gets to about 27 mph it feels like it has no fuel
> for a second or so and then it resumes power then falters again, eventually
> it will run good. Could this problem be cured by different jetting in the
> carb or perhaps a different carb?
Puchs are calibrated not to do more than 30 mph. It is possible that
someone before you could have tried to trip this and put an oversized
jet in there. The normal should be 64, nothing bigger.
I'd also check the spark plug. You want NGK B6HS or Campion L86C. Stay
away from R-type plugs.
> I would appreciate any help.......i only have about 700 questions after these.
> > Sincerely,
> > John
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/18/97, 8:42:44 PM
Subject: 1978 Yamaha Moped

------ reply by email to BronzBear@aol.com ---------
I'm thinking about buying a 50cc '78 Yamaha moped with 1600 miles on it
for $250. Since this is my first moped, I would like to hear you
opinions.

Email me
BronzBear@aol.com

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/18/97, 8:45:31 PM
Subject: Batavus Moped -- HELP PLEASE!

----- reply by email to RWHHOUSTN@AOL.COM -------
I've inherited a 1970's Batavus moped. It looks like a small motorcycle.
I'm trying to find (1) correct gas/oil mix -- I'm currently using 50:1 (2)
information
on adjusting/repairing the centrifugal clutch; and (3) some type of
owner/maintenace
manual. Would really appreciate any help. Thanks 10^6

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From: duckdogs@bright.net (Kauffman's)
Date: 7/18/97, 9:31:25 PM
Subject: 84 Tomos silver bullet

Having just aquired the above machine abt 1 hour ago I am now needing at
leist an owners manual. Can anyone copy theirs and send it to me??
Additionally can anyone tell me what kind of lubricant goes in the gearbox?
is it atf like my Puch? Greg in Ohio.

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From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch)
Date: 7/18/97, 10:17:27 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: 1978 Yamaha Moped

Moped mailing list wrote:

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> ----------------------------------------------
> From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
> Date: 7/18/97, 8:42:44 PM
> Subject: 1978 Yamaha Moped
> > ------ reply by email to BronzBear@aol.com ---------
> I'm thinking about buying a 50cc '78 Yamaha moped with 1600 miles on
> it
> for $250. Since this is my first moped, I would like to hear you
> opinions.
> > Email me
> BronzBear@aol.com
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ------------------------------------------------

Hi,
Does the moped run? Engine should run like a top and should start very
easily.
Are the tires cracked? $40.00 + s/h plus $18.00 for inner tubes if
needed.
Seat intact?
Kick stand?
Side covers if it has any?
Rear view mirrors?
Is it dirty or clean? (small detail actually)
Rust in the gas tank?
Dents?
Rust?
Pedals intact? any bends?
Front fork bent up?
Ask for the registration!! A real pain in the a.. if you need to get a
new one. The bike has to pass an inspection by a police officer at the
station. Cracked tires won't pass even pass!
In my opinion only, unless the bike is in really good shape you should
try to talk him down a bit. Repairs and restorations cost alot but are
very rewarding if your into it.
Good luck. Best wishes.. Mike Burch

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From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch)
Date: 7/18/97, 10:23:47 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Batavus Moped -- HELP PLEASE!

Moped mailing list wrote:

> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ----------------------------------------------
> From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
> Date: 7/18/97, 8:45:31 PM
> Subject: Batavus Moped -- HELP PLEASE!
> > ----- reply by email to RWHHOUSTN@AOL.COM -------
> I've inherited a 1970's Batavus moped. It looks like a small
> motorcycle.
> I'm trying to find (1) correct gas/oil mix -- I'm currently using 50:1
> (2)
> information
> on adjusting/repairing the centrifugal clutch; and (3) some type of
> owner/maintenace
> manual. Would really appreciate any help. Thanks 10^6
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ------------------------------------------------

Hi,
Try giving Steve Hassa a call at: MopedMoped@aol.com. he's real sharp
and has helped me out alot! Good luck.. Mike

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From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch)
Date: 7/18/97, 10:35:51 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: checking charging system/pinging on Honda Aero 80

Moped mailing list wrote:

> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ----------------------------------------------
> From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
> Date: 7/16/97, 11:07:18 PM
> Subject: Re: checking charging system/pinging on Honda Aero 80
> > | Yesterday I tried to start up the scooter and head to work but there
> was
> | no juice from the battery. I jumped it and rode it for about 5
> miles.
> | Stopped it and tried to start it again but still no juice. I
> thought
> | the battery might have been trash, so I took it back. I had another
> new
> | battery at the house so I put in the acid in and charged it up.
> |
> | I am wondering if the charging system on the scooter is charging the
> > | battery. At idle I read about 12.8 volts from the new battery. I
> | thought this would be 13.5 -14 volts since the system should be
> charging
> | the battery. I increase the engine speed and still 12.8 volts. I
> still
> | may have to charge the new battery some more. The manufacture
> suggests
> | charging for about 10 hours. I did it for about 5 and it has ample
> | power to start the motor. I disconnected the battery and measured
> | about 5 volts at the battery leads at idle. Does this sound
> correct?
> | What is the best way to check the system?
> |
> | I am still waiting on my service manual so hopefully I will have
> more
> | info in a couple of days or sooner if someone on the list can help.
> |
> | I also am hearing some sounds at idle which sound like the engine
> | pinging. I thought that the piston might have carbon buildup. I
> | decoked it last night but have not reassembled to test. The piston
> did
> | not show any signs of pinging and I could still see hone marks on
> parts
> | of the cylinder.
> |
> | Anyone know the torque spec on the head bolts? I don't want to
> torque
> | them too much and have the studs pull out from the case when the
> engine
> | heats up. Any other ideas on the pinging sound or may this is
> something
> | normal from these engines. The plug looks good - no oil fouling and
> it
> | is not running hot. The engine runs good and I can get it up to
> 45mph.
> |
> | Thanks....
> | ------------------------------------------
> | Ashley Burns
> | Intergraph Corporation
> | 205-730-3842
> ------------------------------------------------
> Hello Ashley,
> i don't know anything about honda's but it sounds as a broken voltage
> regulator, because after 15 min running a battery should be loaded
> enough
> to restart. (what would all the short ride city people do with it
> then...)
> voltage at an charged battery (in my car) has to be 13.8 at idle (you
> are
> RIGHT)
> any thing lower upto 12.0 can be acceptable but is a token of
> weakness.
> try to put the battery in the bike, start manualy (if possible)
> measure at
> the battery and it MUST have 13-14 V otherwise it is not recharging
> the
> pack.
> if not ... could be the dynamo (may also explain the for you new
> pinging
> sound because the ignition has a lack of current) or the regulator
> between
> the dynamo and the battery (doesn't switch 'on' or does not function
> any
> way) causing no reload current on the battery..
> check it out dude, you sound quit sane to me so you can solve this one
> too
> (i hope for you) measure raw battery voltage, and you'll know, than
> figure
> out where the 'blackbox' is .. (sometimes it is 'hidden' in the dynamo
> > casing!)
> (btw i think you measured the 5 v just after trying the starter, isn't
> > it...stone dead)
> > Bye, Peter Staal
> > from: staal@concepts.nl
> peter_tomos@geocities.com
> Homepages:
> http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
> http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ------------------------------------------------

The voltage regulator is an excellent starting point and makes the
most sense in this case. It really does sound like a solid state device
has failed.... That's the easiest to swap out anyway and the best
starting point...Good luck and please keep us all updated! Regards.
Mike

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From: duckdogs@bright.net (Kauffman's)
Date: 7/18/97, 11:09:12 PM
Subject: 1980 Puch

I have the opportunity to buy a 1980 Puch Magnum with 5K miles. Its just a
little ratty and is missing a few parts like the plastic chain guard. I
wasnt able to hear it run, but its not locked. Price is $65. Does anybody
have one of these?? Buy one recently?? comments?? Greg

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From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch)
Date: 7/18/97, 11:37:00 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: 1980 Puch

Moped mailing list wrote:

> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ----------------------------------------------
> From: duckdogs@bright.net (Kauffman's)
> Date: 7/18/97, 11:09:12 PM
> Subject: 1980 Puch
> > I have the opportunity to buy a 1980 Puch Magnum with 5K miles. Its
> just a
> little ratty and is missing a few parts like the plastic chain guard.
> I
> wasnt able to hear it run, but its not locked. Price is $65. Does
> anybody
> have one of these?? Buy one recently?? comments?? Greg
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ------------------------------------------------

If the engine is not siezed it sounds like a good gamble in your
favor.. Check it out closely though. Let us know. Good luck.. Mike

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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/19/97, 4:23:31 AM
Subject: Re: '84 Puch

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| Van: Moped mailing list | Aan: rlheering@snet.net
| Onderwerp: Fw: '84 Puch
| Datum: zaterdag 19 juli 1997 0:10
|
| --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
----------------------------------------------
| From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo)
| Date: 7/18/97, 6:09:23 PM
| Subject: '84 Puch
|
| Dear moped folks,
|
| Two quick questions:
|
| 1. Is it unusual for a moped to have a muted backfire when
letting
| off the throttle at a (relatively) fast speed? And if it is a problem
what
| is the cause and cure?
|
| 2. When my moped gets to about 27 mph it feels like it has no
fuel
| for a second or so and then it resumes power then falters again,
eventually
| it will run good. Could this problem be cured by different jetting in
the
| carb or perhaps a different carb?
|
| I would appreciate any help.......i only have about 700 questions after
these.
|
|
| Sincerely,
|
|
| John
|
|
|
| --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
------------------------------------------------
two quick answers
1 no (if not to much, could be a to late timing)
2 yes (maybe only cleaning the airfilter and/or carb)

Bye, Peter Staal

from: staal@concepts.nl
peter_tomos@geocities.com
Homepages:
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos

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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/19/97, 4:56:24 AM
Subject: Re: Batavus Moped -- HELP PLEASE!

----------
| Van: Moped mailing list | Aan: AaronM428@aol.com
rlheering@snet.net
| Onderwerp: Fw: Batavus Moped -- HELP PLEASE!
| Datum: zaterdag 19 juli 1997 3:45
|
| --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
----------------------------------------------
| From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
| Date: 7/18/97, 8:45:31 PM
| Subject: Batavus Moped -- HELP PLEASE!
|
| ----- reply by email to RWHHOUSTN@AOL.COM -------
| I've inherited a 1970's Batavus moped. It looks like a small motorcycle.
| I'm trying to find (1) correct gas/oil mix -- I'm currently using 50:1
(2)
| information
| on adjusting/repairing the centrifugal clutch; and (3) some type of
| owner/maintenace
| manual. Would really appreciate any help. Thanks 10^6
|
|
|
|
| --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
------------------------------------------------
Nearly all batavus parts are still available in holland at Mr Visser's
he can be contacted +31 (0) 118-472067 F. Visser after 19 hour (local
MET/gmt) puch tomos jlo batavus berini hercules

1:40 runs smoother...but 1:50 runs cleaner pick your choice..

Bye, Peter Staal

from: staal@concepts.nl
peter_tomos@geocities.com
Homepages:
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/19/97, 9:30:55 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Batavus Moped -- HELP PLEASE!

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
> Date: 7/18/97, 8:45:31 PM
> Subject: Batavus Moped -- HELP PLEASE!
> > ----- reply by email to RWHHOUSTN@AOL.COM -------
> I've inherited a 1970's Batavus moped. It looks like a small motorcycle.
> I'm trying to find (1) correct gas/oil mix -- I'm currently using 50:1 (2)
> information
> on adjusting/repairing the centrifugal clutch; and (3) some type of
> owner/maintenace
> manual. Would really appreciate any help. Thanks 10^6
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
We can mail you a copy of the Batavus shop-service manual: $20.00+$4.00
S/H. Has everything in it you need to know.
Paul
Toronto Moped Center

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/19/97, 9:30:55 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Batavus Moped -- HELP PLEASE!

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
> Date: 7/18/97, 8:45:31 PM
> Subject: Batavus Moped -- HELP PLEASE!
> > ----- reply by email to RWHHOUSTN@AOL.COM -------
> I've inherited a 1970's Batavus moped. It looks like a small motorcycle.
> I'm trying to find (1) correct gas/oil mix -- I'm currently using 50:1 (2)
> information
> on adjusting/repairing the centrifugal clutch; and (3) some type of
> owner/maintenace
> manual. Would really appreciate any help. Thanks 10^6
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
We can mail you a copy of the Batavus shop-service manual: $20.00+$4.00
S/H. Has everything in it you need to know.
Paul
Toronto Moped Center

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/19/97, 9:33:45 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: 1980 Puch

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: duckdogs@bright.net (Kauffman's)
> Date: 7/18/97, 11:09:12 PM
> Subject: 1980 Puch
> > I have the opportunity to buy a 1980 Puch Magnum with 5K miles. Its just a
> little ratty and is missing a few parts like the plastic chain guard. I
> wasnt able to hear it run, but its not locked. Price is $65. Does anybody
> have one of these?? Buy one recently?? comments?? Greg
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Get it if you can. Great bike, great value. Guards are available, other
parts too. Make sure it's the 2 HP version, or it will be darn slow.

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From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
Date: 7/19/97, 11:44:08 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: '84 Puch

I had the same problem with my '96 Tomos. My problem was that the carb jet
was partially clogged, if I gunned the engine it almost returned to idle,
then cought up and ran fine. Try simply removing the carb jet and cleaning
it. If the problem persists, consider an "in-line" fuel filter. It worked
perfectly, the carb clogged twice in 2 weeks, I installed the fuel filter and
haven't had the problem since.

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From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
Date: 7/19/97, 11:48:34 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: 84 Tomos silver bullet

I don't know about the '84 Tomos, but my '96 Tomos requires "Type A Suffix
A" transmission fluid. The quote is directly from the Manual. I found Type
A fluid difficult to find as most are now Dexron or Mercron (sp?). I
eventually found Type A compatible fluid at, get this, Rite Aid.

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From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
Date: 7/19/97, 12:00:14 PM
Subject: Re: '96 Tomos Targa LX

Hi,
Looking for ways to get more performance out of my Tomos. I already have a
"Biturbo" aftermarket, low restriction (opening about 4x larger than stock)
exaust pipe. Please leave out extremely costly mods, I am 15 and have
limited means. Possably larger jets for the carb, as far as I know the bike
has no governor mechanical of electronic to limit speed.

PS. Does anyone know if the "Biturbo" pipe has a catalytic convertor on it?

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From: BKorho3756@aol.com ()
Date: 7/19/97, 5:28:10 PM
Subject: I want to know??

I am a 27 year old female who lives in Ontario, Canada.
I have a drivers licence but no motercycle licence (Iherd that you need one
to drive a Moped in Ont.)
I would like to know what the laws are for that in Ont.
Also I know nothing about bikes in general and only ever had a little dirt
bike when I was young. But I have wanted a Moped for toolin around the city
in the summer ( I was born to be Mild) Any general info that anyone would
know would be good to have like.....How fast can you go?....How heavy are the
bikes?...Stupid stuff like that. Stuff that is second knowlege to anyone but
give me a break I'm a blond.

Thanks...Becki

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From: cpk@rconnect.com (Christopher Korver)
Date: 7/20/97, 12:06:01 PM
Subject: question

Are the mopeds on the front page for sale? If so how much would the
Gilera Runner 50cc cost and where I could buy it.

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From: caron@rpi.net.au (Christian Caron)
Date: 7/20/97, 12:51:14 PM
Subject: peugeot type 103.vs, CM:49cm serial # 5982964 dated 7july1971

cant get parts here in australia to repair it.
the easy solution for me would be a replacement engine, if i can afford
it!!
have been unable to get help from peugeot with faxes ignored.
i have not seen another one here in australia, tried to find people from
the french colonies in micronesia, but to no avail.

HELP!!! PLEASE.
CHRISTIAN CARON

email address is

caron@rpi.net.au

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From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be ()
Date: 7/20/97, 8:34:31 PM
Subject: Peugeot 103 Parts

Hello all!

I'm new to the list (one week), and if I'm asking a question that has
already been asked, I beg indulgence off-line!

In the spring of 1996 I bought a brand-new Peugeot 103 MVL -- I live in
Belgium at the moment and am attached to SHAPE (NATO) near Mons. Next year
I will be returning home to the US -- the northern Virginia suburbs of
Washington DC and will be bringing my moped with me.

I know there are no Peugeot dealers in the US anymore, but there are a
couple of moped dealers near me in Washington (in Fairfax and Alexandria,
Virginia). What sort of a supply of spare parts should I stock up on here
in Europe before I return to the States? I figure I ought to stock up on a
few headlight and tail-light bulbs, and perhaps some brake & accelerator
cables. but is there anything else I should get? (spark plugs, etc.) How
about tires? (I have 17-inch ones on my moped.)

I'm utterly delighted with my moped and wish I had jumped into it years
sooner. I've got a great relationshio with my Peugeot dealer here, and he
would be able to send small, light-weight parts to the States, but big or
bulky or heavy stuff would be hard. Many of you are more experienced in
this than I am: What would you recommend I get on hand as far as spare
parts are concerned, and what sort of problems am I likely to have with my
Peugeot as it ages? It's been perfect so far (3,600 km) except for the
drive chair coming off once -- and that was operator error for not having
watched chain tension!

Any advice on- or off-list will be very much appreciated!

Phil Kuhl
Philip.Kuhl@ping.be

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/21/97, 9:21:33 AM
Subject: Fw: Moto Guzzi moped

------ reply by email to Kauth & Mayeur ---------
... I have just purchased a Moto
Guzzi moped. I believe it is a "robin" (at least that's what it says
on the tank) Any ideas if there is any info out on the web about
these? Vintage is 1978. All of the Guzzi dealers I have e-mailed have
not responded (they're probably still laughing....) Thanks! Charlie

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From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
Date: 7/21/97, 4:28:07 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: I want to know??

I don't know about in Canada, but US. moped speeds depend on the state
(Province in Canada), they range from 20-35 miles per hour. The Mopeds
usually weight around 110lbs. Sorry none of this is in Metric.

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From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
Date: 7/21/97, 4:40:07 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Re: '96 Tomos Targa LX

Thanks for the info. Mr. Staal. I just wondered about the Biturbo, because
it has a cureous bulge (heat up faster than the rest of the pipe) just
forward of the resonator. I doubted that it had one, because if it didn't
legally need one, they wouldn't bother. Where might I get another carb
(CHEAPLY!)? Porting is out of the question, I would seriously screw up the
'ped. Besides, I would need a new piston then, I'm not that good with
engines. Torque would be nice, if you know where I might get a carb, please
let me know.

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/21/97, 5:06:50 PM
Subject: Forwarded questions

Before Moped Mailing List questions were asked on a web page and I am not
sure
if any of them were answered. So, I am forwarding them here.

* * *
I am in need of a wiring diagram for a JAWA TRANSISTOR 40. The VIN # 168695
JAWA-BABETTA 1977. I was
able to get an OWNERS MANUAL for this unit but, it did not contain any
wiring diagram.
RBEREL@ROHMHAAS.com
* * *
looking for repair manual for 95 Tomos Targa Lx
(swim@ctg.net)
* * *
I have a RAP 49cc made by Rex Motoren Werk Munchen 1956 model. Does anyone
have any technical or historical
information for me many thanks
(pestech@dockside.co.za)

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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/21/97, 6:34:30 PM
Subject: Re: Re: '96 Tomos Targa LX

----------
| Van: Moped mailing list | Aan: mitsu@netcom.com
asprayberr@aol.com
| Onderwerp: Fw: Re: '96 Tomos Targa LX
| Datum: maandag 21 juli 1997 15:56
|
| --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
----------------------------------------------
| From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
| Date: 7/19/97, 12:00:14 PM
| Subject: Re: '96 Tomos Targa LX
|
| Hi,
| Looking for ways to get more performance out of my Tomos. I already have
a
| "Biturbo" aftermarket, low restriction (opening about 4x larger than
stock)
| exaust pipe. Please leave out extremely costly mods, I am 15 and have
| limited means. Possably larger jets for the carb, as far as I know the
bike
| has no governor mechanical of electronic to limit speed.
|
| PS. Does anyone know if the "Biturbo" pipe has a catalytic convertor on
it?
|
|
|
| --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
------------------------------------------------
Ok the cheapest way to gain that extra 2 km/h is to pump up you tubes to
the limit,(lower friction). or only drive down hill! works great.
(a larger jeat is only use full when it is now to small.. "UNUNUNUNUNU"
sound)
or find a cheap bigger carb, gives more torque, or a nice porting job,
costing just your arm and a file (i am working on a manual for it on my
home page but is STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION for the last 2 months...)
NB. a biturbo is as far as i know a expansion pipe with a
(carbonfiber)muffler at the end and no catalyc shit inside, (look what you
paid for it and compare that to the price of a platinum and other rare
materials rich converter, than you know for sure, they can't make it for
that money)

Bye, Peter Staal

from: staal@concepts.nl
peter_tomos@geocities.com
Homepages:
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos

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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/21/97, 6:57:01 PM
Subject: Re: Peugeot 103 Parts

----------
| Van: Moped mailing list | Aan: mitsu@netcom.com
asprayberr@aol.com
| Onderwerp: Fw: Peugeot 103 Parts
| Datum: maandag 21 juli 1997 15:56
|
| --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
----------------------------------------------
| From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be ()
| Date: 7/20/97, 8:34:31 PM
| Subject: Peugeot 103 Parts
|
| Hello all!
|
| I'm new to the list (one week), and if I'm asking a question that has
| already been asked, I beg indulgence off-line!
|
| In the spring of 1996 I bought a brand-new Peugeot 103 MVL -- I live in
| Belgium at the moment and am attached to SHAPE (NATO) near Mons. Next
year
| I will be returning home to the US -- the northern Virginia suburbs of
| Washington DC and will be bringing my moped with me.
|
| I know there are no Peugeot dealers in the US anymore, but there are a
| couple of moped dealers near me in Washington (in Fairfax and Alexandria,
| Virginia). What sort of a supply of spare parts should I stock up on
here
| in Europe before I return to the States? I figure I ought to stock up on
a
| few headlight and tail-light bulbs, and perhaps some brake & accelerator
| cables. but is there anything else I should get? (spark plugs, etc.)
How
| about tires? (I have 17-inch ones on my moped.)
|
| I'm utterly delighted with my moped and wish I had jumped into it years
| sooner. I've got a great relationshio with my Peugeot dealer here, and
he
| would be able to send small, light-weight parts to the States, but big or
| bulky or heavy stuff would be hard. Many of you are more experienced in
| this than I am: What would you recommend I get on hand as far as spare
| parts are concerned, and what sort of problems am I likely to have with
my
| Peugeot as it ages? It's been perfect so far (3,600 km) except for the
| drive chair coming off once -- and that was operator error for not having
| watched chain tension!
|
| Any advice on- or off-list will be very much appreciated!
|
| Phil Kuhl
| Philip.Kuhl@ping.be
|
|
|
| --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
------------------------------------------------
Hello Phil,

As a oldtimer moped collector i have seen a lot of moped damage before my
eyes
ok tomos damage, but i don't think i differs a lot..
As you already mentioned, the heavy stuff is hard to post or at least
costly, Dont they have a good 'internal' transport within the SHAPE or the
army thing....
If so why do you no try to get a few 103 Wreaks, with at least one with a
good frame, one with a good motorblock and a lot of used spares. There are
in belgium a few good places (oud ijzer handel, or brommersloop (this is
dutch)) where you can find them for a handfull of franc's .
-The cabels are universal mostly , standard 103 cables are handy but with a
'aftermarket-standard cable" with a even standard 'nipple' it works as fine
what you realy need are the wear off this like the brake shoes it selve,
-tires are mostly the same for a lot or marks but better check before you
leave or that size is av. in the washington area. chainwheels (front 2x /
back at least 1)
chain is possible universal (sold in rolls if you want to) !!! the chain
couplings thing, doesn't cost a thing but without....!!
-Accelerator shoes (i don't know it it has any) also wear off
-sparkplugs are widely av.
- breaker points !!
-Bulbs are mostly standard

If you decide to buy some old bulk, you can always ship only the best
useable parts after all, one shipment of a lot is p/w always cheaper that
lets say 5 small spares on the move over the ocean.

Bye, Peter Staal

from: staal@concepts.nl
peter_tomos@geocities.com
Homepages:
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos

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From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo)
Date: 7/21/97, 9:11:43 PM
Subject: most sought after moped

Dear Moped Freaks:

This is a question that gets us off the technical aspects for a bit:

1. What is the:

a. most valuable moped of all time

b. best moped of all time

c. best looking moped of all time

I'm curious what you all will say.

Happy trails,

John

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From: nimlo@neca.com (john nimlo)
Date: 7/21/97, 9:34:18 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: I want to know??

At 08:56 AM 7/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: BKorho3756@aol.com ()
> Date: 7/19/97, 5:28:10 PM
>Subject: I want to know??
> >I am a 27 year old female who lives in Ontario, Canada.
>I have a drivers licence but no motercycle licence (Iherd that you need one
>to drive a Moped in Ont.)
>I would like to know what the laws are for that in Ont.
>Also I know nothing about bikes in general and only ever had a little dirt
>bike when I was young. But I have wanted a Moped for toolin around the city
>in the summer ( I was born to be Mild) Any general info that anyone would
>know would be good to have like.....How fast can you go?....How heavy are the
>bikes?...Stupid stuff like that. Stuff that is second knowlege to anyone but
>give me a break I'm a blond.
> >Thanks...Becki
> > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
>Dearest Becki,

Mopeds are the finest, bar none, modes of transportation available to
man-kind today and represent the cutting edge of technology. However, i
should offer a caveat, once you experience the thrill of riding a 100 lb.,
two wheeled cycle with a two-stroke engine displacing less than 50 cc's,
racing at speeds approaching 30 mph, your life will never be the same.

My suggestion is be reckless and buy one before the summer is over.

Sincerely,

John

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From: SARADOR@aol.com ()
Date: 7/21/97, 10:05:43 PM
Subject: moped

i have a 1996 tomos targa moped please put me on your mailing list.
i am interested in becoming a moped dealer.

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/22/97, 1:59:14 PM
Subject: Derbi 225

-------- repy to kristina ---------
...
i wonder if you could help me out with something. a friend of mine was
talking about locating a "derbi 225" and i don't know what he's talking
about--is it a scooter, a moped, a dirt bike.

would you know what it is? i don't necessarily need to track one down, i
just wanted to know what kind of bike it is.

if you could help me out on this, i'd be so grateful--and i'll do the
same for someone else who emails me with an equally out-of-the-blue
request!

my email is: kristina@iab.com or kristina@tuna.net.

thanks in advance,

kristina c.

Kristina Cordero
Interactive Bureau
251 Park Avenue South
New York, New York 10010
tel: 212-292-1900
fax: 212-292-1914
http://www.iab.com

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/22/97, 2:40:12 PM
Subject: re: Thanks for the encouragment

Hi, Becki!
> I just want to thank all you mopeders who are encouraging me to get a
moped.
> Actually it has been a bizarre dream of mine for ages......except I have
not
> met anyone in my city who encourages it. They say that a Moped is too
> dangerous, and it breakes down alot. Please arm me with some ammo so I
can
> tell these people...what for!!!!!
The fact is, the only people who have strong negative opinion about mopeds
are those that never ridden one.
It bugs me too, but then, this is the way all prejudice works.

Also, I just thought today - I have basically 2 choices
1) I do what I like
2) I do what others like/what they say is cool/what they think is
fashionable/what they consider safe.
It's not easy to choose 1), but I can never reach satisfaction by doing 2)
- because other's needs are not my needs.

As far as safety, go to http://www.inlink.com/~daugava/mletter.htm and
search for "why mopeds are safe" - I was asked this question before and I
made a list in response.

Andrew

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From: BKorho3756@aol.com ()
Date: 7/22/97, 3:20:17 PM
Subject: Thanks for the encouragment

I just want to thank all you mopeders who are encouraging me to get a moped.
Actually it has been a bizarre dream of mine for ages......except I have not
met anyone in my city who encourages it. They say that a Moped is too
dangerous, and it breakes down alot. Please arm me with some ammo so I can
tell these people...what for!!!!!

Becki

P.S. I still would like to here from some Canadian Mopeders

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From: staal@concepts.nl (Peter Staal)
Date: 7/22/97, 3:21:55 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Re: Re: '96 Tomos Targa LX

----------
| Van: Moped mailing list | Aan: asprayberr@aol.com
chrislo@cfw.com
| Onderwerp: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Re: '96 Tomos Targa LX
| Datum: maandag 21 juli 1997 23:28
|
| --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
----------------------------------------------
| From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
| Date: 7/21/97, 4:40:07 PM
| Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Re: '96 Tomos Targa LX
|
| Thanks for the info. Mr. Staal. I just wondered about the Biturbo,
because
| it has a cureous bulge (heat up faster than the rest of the pipe) just
| forward of the resonator. I doubted that it had one, because if it
didn't
| legally need one, they wouldn't bother. Where might I get another carb
| (CHEAPLY!)? Porting is out of the question, I would seriously screw up
the
| 'ped. Besides, I would need a new piston then, I'm not that good with
| engines. Torque would be nice, if you know where I might get a carb,
please
| let me know.
|
|
|
| --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
------------------------------------------------
Old carbs...
ask friends, neighbours, local dumpshop etc don't be to specific, with a
little adjustments a lawnmower, or outboard motor carb can be fixed too
(look at the border of a cross terrain, some wreaks are left to die after a
crash, but with a mass of (re)useable spares) look for a 14 to 17MM carb.
NB porting is making the size of the holes in the cylinder wall 'better'
(mostly bigger) so you do not need a new piston. (only do this when you
know how, or you will be right about messing it up, in a short time, just
wait for the fool proof manual....)
Bye, Peter Staal

from: staal@concepts.nl
peter_tomos@geocities.com
Homepages:
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
http://www.page4life.nl/peter_s_tomos

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/22/97, 9:26:11 PM
Subject: Re: most sought after moped

> Ladies and Gentlemen and all other moped lovers in between: can we agree
> that the true moped MUST HAVE PEDALS? That is the only thing that sets
> apart them from the toys...
Pedals are good to have - in fact, using them for braking allows better
control.
Yet, they are not as vital as on power-assisted bicycle. On a bike it's
simple - when out of gas, disengage motor and pedal.
On a moped, the gearing is so low that walking it is actually easier...
which brings up a question - can gearing on a moped be changed, so it
pedals more like regular bicycle ?

Andrew

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/22/97, 10:26:50 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: most sought after moped

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
> Date: 7/22/97, 11:18:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: most sought after moped
> > Hello there,
> At 13:30 22-07-97 -0500, you wrote:
> > >This is a question that gets us off the technical aspects for a bit:
> > > > 1. What is the:
> > > > a. most valuable moped of all time
> > A: I think that will be a Demm or Motom 4-stroke sports-version, in the
> Benelux (Belgium, Netherlands and Luxemburg) this will be the Royal Nord
> (Belgium made) and Yamathi (Dutch made).
> > > > > b. best moped of all time
> > B: This is easy: the Honda C310 Cub....
> I am not alone in this, look at:
> http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~sho/cub/
> http://iis.toei-anim.co.jp/TAI/Staffs/Washi/cub/cub.htm
> http://www.jaist.ac.jp/~shigeto/cub/
> > > > > c. best looking moped of all time
> > C: Look at:http://www.i-dreams.co.jp/dream/
> That's the Honda Dream 50; > Undoubtly this is the finest piece of craftmanship of this century!
> > >I'm curious what you all will say.
> > Happy owners have there own moped in the list somewhere, I've got the Hondqa
> C310 Cub (amongst others)
> > Maybe it is interesting to make a moped ownerslist with emailadress and the
> mopeds they own?
> If everybody who wants to posts, I'll stick the lot together....
> > I'll be the first:
> > Honda C50 '73-'78 (2X) (also known as Passport)
> Honda PF50 Novio
> Honda CB50J '78 (for sale)
> Honda C310S '68
> Honda PA50 Camino '83
> Honda PX50 around '80-'85 Amazing ugly flying banana (for sale)
> Rex 38cc Belt drive around '40-'50
> Victoria FM38L '53 (bicycle attachment)
> Lely (JLO F60H engine attachment) around '50; this is a tricycle for
> disabled transport..
> Zundapp CS50 3-speed (foot) '73 (in terrible shape, for sale)
> > Cheers
> > PS: I live in the Netherlands, and work part-time as moped mechanic...
> > Hans Hartman
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Ladies and Gentlemen and all other moped lovers in between: can we agree
that the true moped MUST HAVE PEDALS? That is the only thing that sets
apart them from the toys...

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From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
Date: 7/22/97, 11:18:34 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: most sought after moped

Hello there,
At 13:30 22-07-97 -0500, you wrote:

>This is a question that gets us off the technical aspects for a bit:
> > 1. What is the:
> > a. most valuable moped of all time

A: I think that will be a Demm or Motom 4-stroke sports-version, in the
Benelux (Belgium, Netherlands and Luxemburg) this will be the Royal Nord
(Belgium made) and Yamathi (Dutch made).

> > b. best moped of all time

B: This is easy: the Honda C310 Cub....
I am not alone in this, look at:
http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~sho/cub/
http://iis.toei-anim.co.jp/TAI/Staffs/Washi/cub/cub.htm
http://www.jaist.ac.jp/~shigeto/cub/

> > c. best looking moped of all time

C: Look at:http://www.i-dreams.co.jp/dream/
That's the Honda Dream 50; Undoubtly this is the finest piece of craftmanship of this century!

>I'm curious what you all will say.

Happy owners have there own moped in the list somewhere, I've got the Hondqa
C310 Cub (amongst others)

Maybe it is interesting to make a moped ownerslist with emailadress and the
mopeds they own?
If everybody who wants to posts, I'll stick the lot together....

I'll be the first:

Honda C50 '73-'78 (2X) (also known as Passport)
Honda PF50 Novio
Honda CB50J '78 (for sale)
Honda C310S '68
Honda PA50 Camino '83
Honda PX50 around '80-'85 Amazing ugly flying banana (for sale)
Rex 38cc Belt drive around '40-'50
Victoria FM38L '53 (bicycle attachment)
Lely (JLO F60H engine attachment) around '50; this is a tricycle for
disabled transport..
Zundapp CS50 3-speed (foot) '73 (in terrible shape, for sale)

Cheers

PS: I live in the Netherlands, and work part-time as moped mechanic...

Hans Hartman

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From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
Date: 7/23/97, 8:25:56 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: most sought after moped

>Ladies and Gentlemen and all other moped lovers in between: can we agree
>that the true moped MUST HAVE PEDALS? That is the only thing that sets
>apart them from the toys...
> > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------

Must have the pedals to be a fully functional high performance out of this
world moped. A moped without pedals is just a puny motorcycle.

Jeff Coplan
Brookings, SD

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/23/97, 10:01:18 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

Moped mailing list wrote:

> Pedals are good to have - in fact, using them for braking allows better
> control.
> Yet, they are not as vital as on power-assisted bicycle. On a bike it's
> simple - when out of gas, disengage motor and pedal.
> On a moped, the gearing is so low that walking it is actually easier...
> which brings up a question - can gearing on a moped be changed, so it
> pedals more like regular bicycle ?
> > Andrew
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Well, the true test of a GOOD moped is how easy or difficult it is to
pedal it. Some (the German, Austrian and Italian ones) are like an
exercise bike set on high resistance; the Mobylettes stand out by a
mile; they are a breeze.
You can also change the ratios; there are aftermarket sprocket kits
available but what you gain on pedalling ease you loose on top speed.

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From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
Date: 7/23/97, 7:13:03 PM
Subject: Re: most sought after moped

At 21:19 22-07-97 -0500, wrote:

>Ladies and Gentlemen and all other moped lovers in between: can we agree
>that the true moped MUST HAVE PEDALS? That is the only thing that sets
>apart them from the toys...

No, Paul...
Why put restrictions on it? There are enough restrictions for mopeds as it
is. Is my CB50 less interesting because it has pegs in stead of pedals?

Let's just say if you're boohed out of motorcycle and scooter newsgroups,
you've got a moped. In Europe mopeds don't have to be equiped with pedals
anymore (thank god) it was a stupid restriction.. I never have seen an
actual moped (including Tomos) with wich you could pedal convienently.

If any restriction (and only if it can't be avoided) then 50cc. In all
country's I know of, mopeds are restricted to 50cc..

Cheers,

Hans Hartman

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From: atburns@hiwaay.net (Ashley Burns)
Date: 7/23/97, 7:22:16 PM
Subject: charging system problem

I have a bewildering problem with the charging system on a '85 Honda Aero Scooter. A few of the Honda dealerships that I have called says that the service manual is discontinued but one of the dealers was kind enough to give me charging system troubleshooting specs over the phone. He stated that the leads from the charging coil are yellow and white and that to test the coil, measure the resistance between the white lead and engine ground and the yellow lead and engine ground. I assume that engine ground is just a solid metalic part of the engine?

Testing of the white and yellow lead had a resistance that was in spec. When I measure the voltage between the white and yellow wires at idle and with the engine reving only produces about 3-4 volts. This is also with the voltage regulator disconnected. I also think that the engine is pinging at low RPMs. What could be the cause of the low voltage on the coil? I am not 100% sure that the coil is bad since the resistance is in spec.

Any ideas would be helpful.

Thanks....

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From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman)
Date: 7/23/97, 7:23:08 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: most sought after moped

>Maybe it is interesting to make a moped ownerslist with emailadress and the
>mopeds they own?
>If everybody who wants to posts, I'll stick the lot together....

My name is Leon Begeman. My son Mike (mbegeman@erols.com) owns the moped,
it's a '96 Tomos Targa LX. Ours is the world's toughest moped!

On the 12th and 13th of July, 1997 Mike rode it 1015 miles from Cut Bank,
Montana to Saginaw, Minnesota in 24 hours. Average speed was about 42 mph,
including stops. Top speed was 59.5 mph with a 20 mph tailwind and down a
long hill in Montana. It used 9.7 gallons of fuel for an average of 104 mpg.

The bike was modified somewhat. The exhaust port was widened by 5 mm on
each side, lowered by 5mm and raised by 4mm. It has a two piece Biturbo
exhaust pipe which was shortened by about 4 cm. The front sprocket was
increased from 26 to 30 teeth, the rear reduced from 22 to 19 teeth for a
total increase in gearing of 34%. It has a 16mm Del Orto carb and an intake
manifold made from the stock exhaust pipe. The piston and head were not
modified, it has not been over-bored to provide additional displacement (yet).

We also have an '81 Tomos and a Peugeot from the 1960s.

Leon.

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From: chrislo@cfw.com (chris loewl)
Date: 7/23/97, 8:45:09 PM
Subject: add to no. moped

> > when we talk "mopeds" im assuming, of course, this vehicle must have
> pedals? the puch cobra was a really nice bike but it had foot
> shifters...

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From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch)
Date: 7/23/97, 9:11:50 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: most sought after moped

Moped mailing list wrote:

> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ----------------------------------------------
> From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman)
> Date: 7/23/97, 7:23:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: most sought after moped
> > >Maybe it is interesting to make a moped ownerslist with emailadress
> and the
> >mopeds they own?
> >If everybody who wants to posts, I'll stick the lot together....
> > My name is Leon Begeman. My son Mike (mbegeman@erols.com) owns the
> moped,
> it's a '96 Tomos Targa LX. Ours is the world's toughest moped!
> > On the 12th and 13th of July, 1997 Mike rode it 1015 miles from Cut
> Bank,
> Montana to Saginaw, Minnesota in 24 hours. Average speed was about 42
> mph,
> including stops. Top speed was 59.5 mph with a 20 mph tailwind and
> down a
> long hill in Montana. It used 9.7 gallons of fuel for an average of
> 104 mpg.
> > The bike was modified somewhat. The exhaust port was widened by 5 mm
> on
> each side, lowered by 5mm and raised by 4mm. It has a two piece
> Biturbo
> exhaust pipe which was shortened by about 4 cm. The front sprocket
> was
> increased from 26 to 30 teeth, the rear reduced from 22 to 19 teeth
> for a
> total increase in gearing of 34%. It has a 16mm Del Orto carb and an
> intake
> manifold made from the stock exhaust pipe. The piston and head were
> not
> modified, it has not been over-bored to provide additional
> displacement (yet).
> > We also have an '81 Tomos and a Peugeot from the 1960s.
> > Leon.
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ------------------------------------------------

Hi Leon, That was a pretty cool story! Thanks Mike. K8MB.

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From: chrislo@cfw.com (chris loewl)
Date: 7/23/97, 9:48:26 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

hans h: haha :D
got kicked out of motorcycle and scooter groups with a cb 50?
that reminds me of another problem. 4 stroke engines on mopeds were
frowned upon in late 70s germany: not enough rpms and the dinky honda
dax (as the trail 70s smaller sibling was called) couldnt "pull the skin
of a wurst from a table" not much use in the hills.
say does your exhaust start to glow when you ride it hard? my bud's
always did; looked neat in the dark. like straight out of a cigarette
commerical he'd light one when we arrived at our destination.
ah, the memories...

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From: duckdogs@bright.net (Kauffman's)
Date: 7/23/97, 10:54:21 PM
Subject: 1015 mile trip by Mike Begeman

Wowsers!! I'm inspired! Next month my son and I plan on taking a trip to
some friends in the next county, a distance of about 70 miles. But wow, a
thousand miles, thats terrific. Can anyone top it?? Greg Kauffman

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/24/97, 9:21:31 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

At 01:39 PM 7/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>If any restriction (and only if it can't be avoided) then 50cc. In all
>country's I know of, mopeds are restricted to 50cc..
> > >Cheers,
> > > > > >Hans Hartman
I full heartedly agree that the 50/50 rule (50cc - 50 kmh) makes a lot of
sense and for all the right reasons whether the thing is a "mo-ped" or
"no-ped" should be a non issue. But if you really, really want to be
specific and precise, you have to accept the distinction between a
motorcycle (of any size) and a moped, which is a cross between a bicycle
and a motorcycle. Look at it as a mule a cross between a horse and a donkey.
It is also in the name, moped, isn't it?
PA

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/24/97, 9:22:31 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: most sought after moped

At 01:39 PM 7/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
> Date: 7/23/97, 8:25:56 AM
>Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: most sought after moped
> >>Ladies and Gentlemen and all other moped lovers in between: can we agree
>>that the true moped MUST HAVE PEDALS? That is the only thing that sets
>>apart them from the toys...
>> >> >> >>--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
------------------------------------------------
> > >Must have the pedals to be a fully functional high performance out of this
>world moped. A moped without pedals is just a puny motorcycle.
> >Jeff Coplan
>Brookings, SD
> > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
> Right on!

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From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
Date: 7/24/97, 10:47:56 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

I believe that a moped is defined as a "Bicycle with helper motor" as such,
it must have pedals. BTW Andrew, how do you use the pedals for braking?
Also, if the gearing for the pedals is changed, the gearing for the engine
is also (at least it would be on my Tomos), lessening the efficiency. On my
Tomos, the pedal -----> wheel "gearing" is basically a "final drive".

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From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
Date: 7/24/97, 11:01:05 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: most sought after moped

Leon: How and where can I price these modifications for my own '96 Tomos
Targa LX? I was foresighted enough to forgo the stock muffler for the
Biturbo you speak of, but di you cut and weld the exaust pipe yourself? Or
did a mechanic? I am most interested in finding more power and torque from
my " 'ped ". How much would it cost for a good porting job? If you could
send the specs for your son's 'ped as well as where the parts were obtained
to: AaronM428@aol.com it would be appreciated. The basic Biturbo does OK
right now, but I still want more. ;-)

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/24/97, 2:58:10 PM
Subject: Re: most sought after moped

To paltron@inetrlog.com
> But if you really, really want to be
> specific and precise, you have to accept the distinction between a
> motorcycle (of any size) and a moped, which is a cross between a bicycle
> and a motorcycle.
Well, yeah.
Perhaps, the complication is that it's still the same bike, except with
no pedals. It doesn't look anything like the scooter. Personally, I like to
still call it moped.
Maybe because I don't care for the term "no-ped".

To AaronM428@aol.com:
> BTW Andrew, how do you use the pedals for braking?
On my Sachs Suburban only front brake is on the handle bar - the rear
brake is operated by back pedalling.
When I saw Sachs on the auction, I first though that rear brake was
simply missing :)

Andrew

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/24/97, 3:38:35 PM
Subject: Fw: Four wheel mopeds?

------reply to dragutin sabolek -------
...I am interested in three- or four-wheel
micro cars with moped motors up to 50ccm, which can be driven by
adults without normal (car) driving license. Perhaps you could help in
giving some information about manufacturers/models available, or
useful internet links.
Thanks in advance.
Best regards,
--
DRAGUTIN Charlie SABOLEK, BA (Econ)
Tannenring 25, A-2601 Sollenau, Austria
Tel. 43 2628 42733 Fax: 47894 Email: dsabolek@aon.at

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/24/97, 5:02:13 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: most sought after moped

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be ()
> Date: 7/24/97, 8:42:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: most sought after moped
> > >Subject: most sought after moped
> > > I expect to be hissed and booed at for this, but I think the answer to all
> those questions in:
> > A Black Vélosolex!
> > Simple, unbreakable, full of character! And this from a Peugeot 103 rider!
> > Too bad the Vélosolex wasn't available when I bought last year!
> > Phil
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Now that is stretching it; the Solex is not even a "mule" it is a
"double-mule".
In Canada there used to be 2 categories for mopeds, the motor-assisted
bicyle ("velocyclette") and the true moped with its center-mount engine,
etc. In 1975 the plate law came in and the first category was
eliminated. By 1985, both provincial and federal regulations changed to
extent that the moped market just collapsed.
Paul

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/24/97, 5:04:20 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
> Date: 7/24/97, 2:58:10 PM
> Subject: Re: most sought after moped
> > To paltron@inetrlog.com
> > But if you really, really want to be
> > specific and precise, you have to accept the distinction between a
> > motorcycle (of any size) and a moped, which is a cross between a bicycle
> > and a motorcycle.
> Well, yeah.
> Perhaps, the complication is that it's still the same bike, except with
> no pedals. It doesn't look anything like the scooter. Personally, I like to
> still call it moped.
> Maybe because I don't care for the term "no-ped".
> > To AaronM428@aol.com:
> > BTW Andrew, how do you use the pedals for braking?
> On my Sachs Suburban only front brake is on the handle bar - the rear
> brake is operated by back pedalling.
> When I saw Sachs on the auction, I first though that rear brake was
> simply missing :)
> > Andrew
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Sachs clearly traces its roots back to coaster brakes to be found on
older )European) bicycles.

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From: chrislo@cfw.com (chris loewl)
Date: 7/24/97, 7:02:15 PM
Subject: Re: 1015 mile trip

i did drive 20,000 kms in 1 year and 3 months on my zuendapp; to pspeed
was mostly 40km/h.
yay, mopeds!

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/24/97, 7:04:57 PM
Subject: Fw: Kentucky Moped Laws

---- reply to Willi Jahr --------
I've been trying to find out the min. age to drive a moped in Kentucky.
Do
you know or could find out? If not thanks anyway.

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From: agner@erols.com (John Agner)
Date: 7/24/97, 8:32:30 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Four wheel mopeds?

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
> Date: 7/24/97, 3:38:35 PM
> Subject: Fw: Four wheel mopeds?
> > ------reply to dragutin sabolek -------
> ...I am interested in three- or four-wheel
> micro cars with moped motors up to 50ccm, which can be driven by
> adults without normal (car) driving license. Perhaps you could help in
> giving some information about manufacturers/models available, or
> useful internet links.
> Thanks in advance.
> Best regards,
> --
> DRAGUTIN Charlie SABOLEK, BA (Econ)
> Tannenring 25, A-2601 Sollenau, Austria
> Tel. 43 2628 42733 Fax: 47894 Email: dsabolek@aon.at
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
What a great thought. If none are manufactured, try sending your
message to the engineering depts. at places like Rennsalaer, MIT,
Cornell and Clarkson. I know that the engineering students are always
building solar cars for intercollegiate competition; maybe they'd like
the idea of a 50cc car capable of 100 mpg.

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From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be ()
Date: 7/24/97, 8:42:43 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: most sought after moped

>Subject: most sought after moped
> I expect to be hissed and booed at for this, but I think the answer to all
those questions in:

A Black Vélosolex!

Simple, unbreakable, full of character! And this from a Peugeot 103 rider!

Too bad the Vélosolex wasn't available when I bought last year!

Phil

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From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman)
Date: 7/24/97, 11:56:39 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: 1015 mile trip by Mike Begeman

At 22:17 23-07-97 -0500, you wrote:
>Wowsers!! I'm inspired! Next month my son and I plan on taking a trip to
>some friends in the next county, a distance of about 70 miles. But wow, a
>thousand miles, thats terrific. Can anyone top it?? Greg Kauffman
> Damn, I sure hope not. I really don't want to have to go farther than that.
I've heard that Steve Olson of Moped Hospital in Florida built one for drag
racing that would get up to 71 mph, and Joe Wofford of Tomos Products
mentioned that someone rode one from Boston to Texas, but I doubt anyone
else has ever done a 1000 mile day on one.
Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073
13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193

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From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman)
Date: 7/24/97, 11:57:00 PM
Subject: Tomos Targa mods

At 14:45 24-07-97 -0500, you wrote:
>How and where can I price these modifications for my own '96 Tomos
>Targa LX?
Moped Hospital in Miami (Andy has their web page info) got me the info I
needed. If you're in the Washington, DC area, give me or Able Bike and
Mower in Manassas, VA a call.

I was foresighted enough to forgo the stock muffler for the
>Biturbo you speak of, but di you cut and weld the exaust pipe yourself? Or
did
>a mechanic?
I cut it and used a Dremel, hacksaw and electric drill to assemble it, I had
a friend do the welding.

>I am most interested in finding more power and torque from
>my " 'ped ". How much would it cost for a good porting job?

The Dremel grinding stones cost about $20. Take it slow, and only open up
the exhaust ports on the A35 motor. Make it as straight and smooth as you
can. I put tape inside the cylinder to mark the size and location of the
finished port, then it was just a matter of opening it up. It's only
traumatic the first time, after that it's easy. Don't pay to have it done,
a new cylinder if you do it wrong is cheaper.

>If you could
>send the specs for your son's 'ped as well as where the parts were obtained
>to: AaronM428@aol.com it would be appreciated. The basic Biturbo does OK
>right now, but I still want more. ;-)

OK. More to follow directly to you.
Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073
13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193

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From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman)
Date: 7/24/97, 11:57:04 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Kentucky Moped Laws

> I've been trying to find out the min. age to drive a moped in Kentucky.
>Do you know or could find out? If not thanks anyway.

AAA puts out a summary of motor vehicle laws that has the best section on
mopeds that I've seen. I borrowed a copy from the library when I was
researching the laws in MT, ND and MN.

Leon.

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From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
Date: 7/24/97, 11:58:20 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: charging system problem

At 19:25 23-07-97 -0500, you wrote:
>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: atburns@hiwaay.net (Ashley Burns)
> Date: 7/23/97, 7:22:16 PM
>Subject: charging system problem

>I have a bewildering problem with the charging system on a '85 Honda Aero
Scooter. A few of the Honda dealerships
I do not know any Honda by that name over here in Europe. What is the type
code? NH50 or SH50 or something like that?

>that I have called says that the service manual is discontinued but one of
the dealers was kind enough to give me
Haynes publishing makes good workshop manuals...

>charging system troubleshooting specs over the phone. He stated that the
leads from the charging coil are yellow and >white and that to test the
coil, measure the resistance between the white lead and engine ground and
the yellow lead >and engine ground. I assume that engine ground is just a
solid metalic part of the engine?

Yes, any part of the engine will do. Problem is, you can measure the
resistance, but it really says little about the condition of the coil...
If you connect it all (battery, regulator too) and you connect the black and
red wires of your multimeter to the battery, what does it read? It should
read something like 13-14 Volts if you rev up.
If it doesn't do that, you're coil might be bad. If you can borrow a
regulator from a friend, and try it again.
Bad coils can be rewound by any electric shop such as shops wich repair
startermotors for cars. Coils come in sets with Honda, and are *very*
expensive over here...

> I also think that the engine is pinging at low RPMs.

This cannot be related to your charging system, change the spark plug (use
good specification) and/or check CDI-unit.
(same friend as for the regulator?) If that doesn't work out, disassemble
your carb and clean it thoroughly with an air compressor.

Lots of luck.

PS: your moped doesn't have pedals eh?

Hans Hartman

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From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
Date: 7/24/97, 11:58:23 PM
Subject: Moped or Noped (was:most sought after moped)

At 20:44 23-07-97 -0500, you wrote:
> From: chrislo@cfw.com (chris loewl)
> Date: 7/23/97, 9:48:26 PM
>Subject: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped
> >hans h: haha :D
>got kicked out of motorcycle and scooter groups with a cb 50?

Hey! Nobody kicks me out knowhere, I don't have to post about mopeds in
motorcycle newsgroups.
I do own some motorcycles as well...
Besides, I am too (digitally) tough to get kicked...

>that reminds me of another problem. 4 stroke engines on mopeds were
>frowned upon in late 70s germany: not enough rpms and the dinky honda
>dax (as the trail 70s smaller sibling was called) couldnt "pull the skin
>of a wurst from a table" not much use in the hills.

Well, we do not have much hills down here, but we can get bigger or smaller
chainwheels for most bikes.
What I do especially like in 4-strokes, is the reliability, sound, fuel
consumption and looks...

>say does your exhaust start to glow when you ride it hard? my bud's
>always did; looked neat in the dark. like straight out of a cigarette

Only if I got my ignition to far retarded, or did 90kph... (that's 55 mls)

>commerical he'd light one when we arrived at our destination.
>ah, the memories...

Yep, those were the days...

Cheers,

Hans Hartman

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From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
Date: 7/25/97, 8:16:52 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Four wheel mopeds?

At 20:47 24-07-97 -0500, you wrote:

>> ...I am interested in three- or four-wheel
>> micro cars with moped motors up to 50ccm, which can be driven by
>> adults without normal (car) driving license. Perhaps you could help in
>> giving some information about manufacturers/models available, or
>> useful internet links.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Best regards,
>> --
>> DRAGUTIN Charlie SABOLEK, BA (Econ)
>> Tannenring 25, A-2601 Sollenau, Austria
>> Tel. 43 2628 42733 Fax: 47894 Email: dsabolek@aon.at

>What a great thought. If none are manufactured, try sending your

It's not a thought anymore. In France little diesel cars (500cc
two-cylinder) are being sold and can be ridden under the same legal
conditions as mopeds. This is now under European law, so it complies to
Austria also I believe. Over here in the Netherlands, Yamaha sells a
four-wheeled cabriolet play-boy kind of thing, wich is engined by a
Minarelli scooter engine. In Germany, there's a company wich sells
three-wheeled cars powered by 50cc a Peugeot SV engine.
As for now, I haven't got any adresses at all (wasn't really interested in
these things, I got a car and license) When I tend to another bike-show
(such as IFMA in Cologne) I will look for adresses.

I can give you the adress of Yamaha import in the Netherlands, perhaps they
can help with a adress in Austria;
Yamaha Motor Nederland BV
P.O. BOX 75033
1117ZN Schiphol-Oost
The Netherlands.

Succes,

Hans Hartman

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From: atburns@hiwaay.net (Ashley Burns)
Date: 7/25/97, 10:15:38 PM
Subject: charging system looking better.

Well I decided to take a stab at rewinding my charging coil. It did not look too difficult but I have never done it before so I was a little apprehensive. I unwound the coil last night and the coils looked like they got very hot at some point. Most of the enamel on the wire started falling off when I was unwinding. I went to the local electrical supplier and got 200 feet(just in case I messed up) of #19 enamel wire. I rewound the coil in about 30 minutes and resoldered all the wires. I wound it about 20 windings too much because the inside of the flywheel rubbed on the coil. I took the 20 windings out/resoldered and put the flywheel on. It probably took less than 100 feet of wire. I was amazed that I now had over 15 volts AC at less that 3/4 throttle. When I connected the voltage regulator, the coil only produced about 6 volts at throttle. I disconnected the regulator and gased it again and I had so much voltage that it blew the low beam on the headlight. This is a big impro
vement over the 3-4 volts that I was getting. Now I just need a new regulator which I figured I needed from the start and a new light bulb. It looks like the light bulb is soldered into the rectangular light case so hopefully with a little heat from a small torch I should be able to get it out and replaced. I called a dealer and they want $35 for the whole rectangular lense and bulb. I am also going to try a local salvage yard tommorrow for the bulb. No luck at the salvage yard for the regulator. There is also a green wire that goes from the regulator to the CDI unit so I am hoping that the new regulator will solve my low idle pinging problem.

Total cost for the 100 or so feet of wire that I used was less than $5.00. This is better than $75-80 it would have cost to buy a new stator.

Anyway I will send out an update when the regulator gets here next week.

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From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
Date: 7/26/97, 8:36:33 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

I'm going to sound stupid here, but, if back-pedaling engages the rear brake
on your 'ped, how do you start it? I thought all 'peds were started by
back-pedaling. I guess I was wrong. ;-)

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/26/97, 9:47:55 AM
Subject: Re: Back pedaling

> I'm going to sound stupid here, but, if back-pedaling engages the rear
brake
> on your 'ped, how do you start it? I thought all 'peds were started by
> back-pedaling. I guess I was wrong. ;-)
No, not all.
For example, on Sachs, I start it by regular pedaling and pressing
decompression
lever on the handlebar. Or if the road is downhill I can let it roll and
then press
decompression.

Andrew

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From: chrislo@cfw.com (chris loewl)
Date: 7/26/97, 9:48:12 AM
Subject: ashley's charging system

thats sounds like fun; i believe most mopedheads would concur. and its
what i always liked most about mopeds: the tinkering (thats is, unless i
needed it to go to work). its simple enough to understand and d-i-y.

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From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
Date: 7/26/97, 12:24:15 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
> Date: 7/26/97, 8:36:33 AM
>Subject: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped
> >I'm going to sound stupid here, but, if back-pedaling engages the rear brake
>on your 'ped, how do you start it? I thought all 'peds were started by
>back-pedaling. I guess I was wrong. ;-)
> > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------

My '77 puch starts by forward pedaling while you squeeze that thing on the
left handlebar whatever it's called...Anybody that can tell me what that
thing is called so I can sound like I know a lot about engines and stuff?

Jeff Coplan
Brookings, SD

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From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
Date: 7/26/97, 12:26:23 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Back pedaling

>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
> Date: 7/26/97, 9:47:55 AM
>Subject: Re: Back pedaling
> >> I'm going to sound stupid here, but, if back-pedaling engages the rear
>brake
>> on your 'ped, how do you start it? I thought all 'peds were started by
>> back-pedaling. I guess I was wrong. ;-)
>No, not all.
>For example, on Sachs, I start it by regular pedaling and pressing
>decompression
>lever on the handlebar. Or if the road is downhill I can let it roll and
>then press
>decompression.
> >Andrew
> > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------

Would letting my Puch Maxi roll start that too? I didn't think it could start
without pedaling.

Jeff Coplan
Brookings, SD

By the way...Someone mentioned Puch cobras. What years did they make those?
Same years as the Maxi?

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From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch)
Date: 7/26/97, 1:22:30 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: charging system looking better.

Moped mailing list wrote:

> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ----------------------------------------------
> From: atburns@hiwaay.net (Ashley Burns)
> Date: 7/25/97, 10:15:38 PM
> Subject: charging system looking better.
> >
> w
> > > Total cost for the 100 or so feet of wire that I used was less than
> $5.00. This is better than $75-80 it would have cost to buy a new
> stator.
> > Anyway I will send out an update when the regulator gets here next
> week.
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ------------------------------------------------

Hi, I bet that a 50 watt zener diode sized to the proper system
voltage would work.
if you are unable to locate a drop in replacement. This size
semiconductor has a threaded stud on it for easy mounting to a large
heat sink Rewinding that coil was a great idea! nice job. Thats one
to comit to memory... Best wishes.. Mike

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From: bmflynn@concentric.net (Bridget Flynn)
Date: 7/26/97, 3:06:17 PM
Subject: Where oh where can a moped be?

Any ideas on how to find a moped in Middle Tennessee (Nashville area)?
There is one dealer here who seems to have purchased everyone's old mopeds
and has them sitting in his shop... and won't let go of them. He tried to
sell me a 1985 Tomos yesterday (which needed work and barely had brakes)
for $700!!! Don't even ask how much his new ones are.

So does anyone have any ideas on how I might find a reasonably priced
decent moped here in You-Must-Have-A-Car land???

Thanks, Bridget
bmflynn@concentric.net

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From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
Date: 7/26/97, 3:55:03 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Where oh where can a moped be?

>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: bmflynn@concentric.net (Bridget Flynn)
> Date: 7/26/97, 3:06:17 PM
>Subject: Where oh where can a moped be?
> >Any ideas on how to find a moped in Middle Tennessee (Nashville area)?
>There is one dealer here who seems to have purchased everyone's old mopeds
>and has them sitting in his shop... and won't let go of them. He tried to
>sell me a 1985 Tomos yesterday (which needed work and barely had brakes)
>for $700!!! Don't even ask how much his new ones are.
> >So does anyone have any ideas on how I might find a reasonably priced
>decent moped here in You-Must-Have-A-Car land???
> >Thanks, Bridget
>bmflynn@concentric.net
> > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------

You aren't the first person to go through a grueling moped search.
Here is hint #1. Mopeds aren't sold or bought through dealers. They are highly
irregular. In fact, I believe there is an entire moped underworld of people
that know where there are mopeds and won't tell anyone else. Everyone knows
there are thousands of mopeds sitting in the back of people's garages just
waiting for someone to love them.

Let me tell you how three...yes three of us found mopeds in a town of
only 15,000 people.
I also want someone else to tell a moped finding story to top this one.

Two of us spent hours on end (at least 10) driving around neighborhoods
looking in open garages for that buried moped houses. Once you start
looking you'll get to know what a typical moped house looks like.
Probably there will be a lot of junk in the garage, but still enough room
to get a car in the stall where the moped is across the front of.

We found one moped in a garage, so we got out and knocked on the door and
sure enough the thing had been sitting there for ten years and they didn't
even know if it ran or not. But then the moped underworld took over and
the guy said his kid might want to ride it or something.

Then we found the two old guys in this town that have all of the information
on mopeds in the town. You see every town has one or two guys in town that
know where all the mopeds are and will only reveal that information for a price.
Unfortunately, we couldn't get any information out of him so we were forced
to run an ad in the newspaper. No calls no calls no calls.

Then we got one call on the ad from a town of about 600 people about 5 miles
away. We found one yamaha non-running-moped that had been sitting for
about 5 years. Sold for $75. 1986 yamahopper. With a little work my friend's
14 year old brother made that run.

Then we were on a moped hunt another night when we ran into a guy I used
to work with. Him being the most unlikely guy to ever own a moped it turns
out he has one sitting in his barn. He wanted to get rid of it for some
reason. Sold for $225. 1977 Puch maxi. 6300 miles.

#3. We harass a friend's dad for days on end with phone calls and door
knocking and riding other mopeds by the house until he finally breaks down
and sells us a 1978 near-mint condition moped for $225. 400 miles.
Now the guy that sold us this one wants to take it for one last ride before
he cashes the check that my buddy gave him.
The actual sale took place while the official owner of this moped was 400 miles
out of town and we harassed his son until he broke down.

This occupied our entire month of June and part of July.
Needless to say, though, are efforts were well worth it that first night of
mopeding down Main Ave. with our horns honking and engines revving.

Anyone else have a good story to top this one?

Bridget, you must know what you are getting into before you take on this
mission.
If you can't handle it, it can be reassigned without hesitation. Live long and
prosper.

Jeff Coplan
Brookings, SD

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From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch)
Date: 7/26/97, 4:44:09 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Where oh where can a moped be?

Moped mailing list wrote:

> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ----------------------------------------------
> From: bmflynn@concentric.net (Bridget Flynn)
> Date: 7/26/97, 3:06:17 PM
> Subject: Where oh where can a moped be?
> > Any ideas on how to find a moped in Middle Tennessee (Nashville area)?
> > There is one dealer here who seems to have purchased everyone's old
> mopeds
> and has them sitting in his shop... and won't let go of them. He
> tried to
> sell me a 1985 Tomos yesterday (which needed work and barely had
> brakes)
> for $700!!! Don't even ask how much his new ones are.
> > So does anyone have any ideas on how I might find a reasonably priced
> decent moped here in You-Must-Have-A-Car land???
> > Thanks, Bridget
> bmflynn@concentric.net
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ------------------------------------------------

Hi Bridget, Try putting an ad in one of the local papers dedicated
to trading and swapping stuff. We have a publication called "Trading
Times" here and I have gotten great responses from it! I picked up a
working 1976 motobecane mobylette moped for $75.00 and a 1982 working
sachs suburban for $120.00. And also be sure to throw out some feelers
here on the internet. I have recieved 2 calls from guys wanting to sell
but they did not follow through but it was from ad's placed on the
internet. Request that they be in nearby states. That person that you
were dealing with was trying to cheat you. And always try talking the
seller down! Sometimes you win and sometimes not. Good luck.. They are
out there if you search hard enough and that's alot of the fun.best
wishes.. Mike

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From: mrider@illuminet.net (Leon Begeman)
Date: 7/26/97, 4:50:16 PM
Subject: Back pedaling

That's only cause there aren't any hills in your end of South Dakota. OTOH
if you took it out of town a couple of miles and put up a sail, it would
start just fine without pedaling. ;-)

Leon (originally from Parker, SD)

At 12:29 26-07-97 -0500, Moped mailing list wrote:

>Would letting my Puch Maxi roll start that too? I didn't think it could start
>without pedaling.
> >Jeff Coplan
>Brookings, SD
>

> >By the way...Someone mentioned Puch cobras. What years did they make those?
>Same years as the Maxi?
> > > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
> > Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073
13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/26/97, 5:30:29 PM
Subject: Moped Undeworld

Hi, Jeff!

Your story was very interesting as well as thought provoking.
> Then we found the two old guys in this town that have all of the
information
> on mopeds in the town. You see every town has one or two guys in town
that
> know where all the mopeds are and will only reveal that information for a
price.

I thought about it and realized who these guys could be. Back in the 70s,
golden days of Moped, there
was a number of moped dealers all over the country. Many of them closed
down when the golden rush
was over. Perhaps, they still have some records, who they sold the bikes
to. I don't yet see how to approach
this project, but the idea seems right and could yield great results.

For example, get a list of those people, call them all, buy some bikes and
for the rest, start my own local Moped Classifed
bulletin - to sell those mopeds that are collecting dust in the garages!
Easy - if owners don't want do spend money
for advertising, no big deal - I'm not going to charge them anyway!

Now, as far as story to top yours... not sure if I can top it. But I will
tell my story anyway. Story about the auction.

Octobert 21, 1996, Monday
Today is the great day. To be more precise, last Saturday
was the greatest, but today is pretty big too.
For the past 3 months I was really into mopeds. And finally,
the culmination - I bought one of my own!
Here's how it happened.

Avout 3 weeks ago, in the paper, ad showed up, where among other
stuff "motorbike (moped)" was listed. My pressure immediately
reached 770mm and brain started working in the sly direction.
I called auctioneer and asked if I can buy the moped under the counter,
without unnecessary bargaining. To my surprise, the guy turned out
to be unbribeable and declined my enticing offer.

Time flew and finally day of auction was upon us. I took my friend Yuri
with me and we went to veni, vidi and vici.

Entire household was for sale - heap of doodads, from frying pans
to satellite dish. Yuri looked everything with interest, while I worried
and thought only about moped - where did they hide it ?

Finally, we found her (moped). She stood in the barn and looked most
impressively,
though I noticed that previous owner rode moped quite a bit on
fertile soils. Theoretically, I knew how to start a bike like this, so
I gave Yuri instructions and we began together. We span pedals and pressed
decompression lever till we were blue in the face, but nothing happened
Then we realized that engine was turned off. We turned the
switch to 'run' and doubled out efforts. No avail. At last we lost hope
and started walking away, sadly pinging pieces of wood with our feet.
Suddenly it hit me - the fuel line is closed - no gas flows from tank
to the carburator, so motor dies before it has chance to start! So,
I moved the little lever, we attacked the pedals again and ...
vroooommmm!!!... moped started!

We enjoyed it for a while, then turned the supersonic engine off and went
back to
the house, where misc gizmos were being sold. I instantly started
contemplating vicious plans - how to make sure there is no competitors ?
First thought was to let air out of the tires. Yuri talked me out of
this kind of guerilla warfare. Then I went back to the barn and closed the
fuel line again. This way our would-be opponents would have to work
as much as we did to find out if the bike works.

Auction went full speed ahead. We sat on the swingset and became all ears.
Then we became humans agains and began watching the bargaining.
Selling was going fast - approximately 1 item every 30 seconds. What's
interesting, buyer's demand was hard to explain - for some rotten
book cabinet a guy gave 700 dollars, and right after that they sold
big satellite dish for $20. On one hand this shocked me and on another
it gave me more hope that if nobody else wants moped, I'd buy it for
peanuts.

Finally, sale moved into the barn. Time moved slowly as a snail. They were
selling
tractor, shovels, wood and unsorted junk. I would periodically overheat
and freeze at General Protection Fault. Then I'd reboot myself and
wait some more. And then - oh, the great moment! - they moved to sell
moped. Auctioneer looked it with a puzzled brow and muttered: "10 dollars".
Before I could raise my hand, some woman, who was standing across from me,
shouted: "20!". I turned into stone, but understood that there is no time
to waste
and entered the unequal fight. "His heart stood still, his will
awoke, he fought three nights and three days". Auctioneer increased
the price, while me and her nodded, agreeing to pay more and more.
"30... 40.. 50... 70.. 90.. 110 .... 150... 160.. 170...". It felt like
gambling.
"I'm so dizzy, my head is spinning". I saw nothing except
salesguy and the lamented opponent.
"180... 190... 200... 210...". I glanced at her and noticed
that she was pass. $210 was my bid.
Auctioneer yelled "220! 220! Volts!", trying to challenge her,
but unsuccessfully. Then he announced my victory. I heroically smiled and
passed out. Moped was mine.

Andrew

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From: chrislo@cfw.com (chris loewl)
Date: 7/26/97, 6:39:12 PM
Subject: puch cobra

i few of my schoolmates had some around 1979-81. good sound, nice
burgundy finish and rounded features. "bays" in the tank for the knees
and the such.

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/26/97, 7:21:13 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
> Date: 7/26/97, 12:24:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped
> > >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> > From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
> > Date: 7/26/97, 8:36:33 AM
> >Subject: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped
> > > >I'm going to sound stupid here, but, if back-pedaling engages the rear brake
> >on your 'ped, how do you start it? I thought all 'peds were started by
> >back-pedaling. I guess I was wrong. ;-)
> > > > > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
> > My '77 puch starts by forward pedaling while you squeeze that thing on the
> left handlebar whatever it's called...Anybody that can tell me what that
> thing is called so I can sound like I know a lot about engines and stuff?
> > Jeff Coplan
> Brookings, SD
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
That thing is called the starter clutch lever.
Paul

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From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be ()
Date: 7/26/97, 9:03:10 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

Andrew, I'd have to disagree with your contention that pedals are not really
useful on a moped.

>From a FUNCTIONAL standpoint, I agree with you completely. The pedals on my
Peogeot have such a ridiculously low gearing that I would never want to use
them as my sole form of locomotion. But from a LEGAL standpoint, I need
those pedals! That's one of the disctinctions in the Commonwealth of
Virginia (my home when I'm in the States) that distinguishes a moped from a
motorcycle.

Motorcycles have to be licensed and insured -- a not insignificant expense.
But my moped is no different than a bicycle -- no license plate or insurance
required. THAT is one of the main financial attractions of a moped, at
least for me.

Phil

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From: georgep@MNSi.Net (george perich)
Date: 7/26/97, 9:55:22 PM
Subject: I'm in send mail

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Hi, i have a 87 Jawa moped. It was running till I took it apart. You

wouldn't happend to know of any repair tutorials for Jawas?

Great homepage...thanks for all that scooter info and links.

thanks!

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From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch)
Date: 7/26/97, 10:28:41 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Moped Undeworld

Moped mailing list wrote:

> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ----------------------------------------------
> From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
> Date: 7/26/97, 5:30:29 PM
> Subject: Moped Undeworld
> > Hi, Jeff!
> > Your story was very interesting as well as thought provoking.
> > Then we found the two old guys in this town that have all of the
> information
> > on mopeds in the town. You see every town has one or two guys in
> town
> that
> > know where all the mopeds are and will only reveal that information
> for a
> price.
> > I thought about it and realized who these guys could be. Back in the
> 70s,
> golden days of Moped, there
> was a number of moped dealers all over the country. Many of them
> closed
> down when the golden rush
> was over. Perhaps, they still have some records, who they sold the
> bikes
> to. I don't yet see how to approach
> this project, but the idea seems right and could yield great results.
> > For example, get a list of those people, call them all, buy some bikes
> and
> for the rest, start my own local Moped Classifed
> bulletin - to sell those mopeds that are collecting dust in the
> garages!
> Easy - if owners don't want do spend money
> for advertising, no big deal - I'm not going to charge them anyway!
> > Now, as far as story to top yours... not sure if I can top it. But I
> will
> tell my story anyway. Story about the auction.
> > Octobert 21, 1996, Monday
> Today is the great day. To be more precise, last Saturday
> was the greatest, but today is pretty big too.
> For the past 3 months I was really into mopeds. And finally,
> the culmination - I bought one of my own!
> Here's how it happened.
> > Avout 3 weeks ago, in the paper, ad showed up, where among other
> stuff "motorbike (moped)" was listed. My pressure immediately
> reached 770mm and brain started working in the sly direction.
> I called auctioneer and asked if I can buy the moped under the
> counter,
> without unnecessary bargaining. To my surprise, the guy turned out
> to be unbribeable and declined my enticing offer.
> > Time flew and finally day of auction was upon us. I took my friend
> Yuri
> with me and we went to veni, vidi and vici.
> > Entire household was for sale - heap of doodads, from frying pans
> to satellite dish. Yuri looked everything with interest, while I
> worried
> and thought only about moped - where did they hide it ?
> > Finally, we found her (moped). She stood in the barn and looked most
> impressively,
> though I noticed that previous owner rode moped quite a bit on
> fertile soils. Theoretically, I knew how to start a bike like this, so
> > I gave Yuri instructions and we began together. We span pedals and
> pressed
> decompression lever till we were blue in the face, but nothing
> happened
> Then we realized that engine was turned off. We turned the
> switch to 'run' and doubled out efforts. No avail. At last we lost
> hope
> and started walking away, sadly pinging pieces of wood with our feet.
> Suddenly it hit me - the fuel line is closed - no gas flows from tank
> to the carburator, so motor dies before it has chance to start! So,
> I moved the little lever, we attacked the pedals again and ...
> vroooommmm!!!... moped started!
> > We enjoyed it for a while, then turned the supersonic engine off and
> went
> back to
> the house, where misc gizmos were being sold. I instantly started
> contemplating vicious plans - how to make sure there is no competitors
> ?
> First thought was to let air out of the tires. Yuri talked me out of
> this kind of guerilla warfare. Then I went back to the barn and closed
> the
> fuel line again. This way our would-be opponents would have to work
> as much as we did to find out if the bike works.
> > Auction went full speed ahead. We sat on the swingset and became all
> ears.
> Then we became humans agains and began watching the bargaining.
> Selling was going fast - approximately 1 item every 30 seconds. What's
> > interesting, buyer's demand was hard to explain - for some rotten
> book cabinet a guy gave 700 dollars, and right after that they sold
> big satellite dish for $20. On one hand this shocked me and on another
> > it gave me more hope that if nobody else wants moped, I'd buy it for
> peanuts.
> > Finally, sale moved into the barn. Time moved slowly as a snail. They
> were
> selling
> tractor, shovels, wood and unsorted junk. I would periodically
> overheat
> and freeze at General Protection Fault. Then I'd reboot myself and
> wait some more. And then - oh, the great moment! - they moved to sell
> moped. Auctioneer looked it with a puzzled brow and muttered: "10
> dollars".
> Before I could raise my hand, some woman, who was standing across from
> me,
> shouted: "20!". I turned into stone, but understood that there is no
> time
> to waste
> and entered the unequal fight. "His heart stood still, his will
> awoke, he fought three nights and three days". Auctioneer increased
> the price, while me and her nodded, agreeing to pay more and more.
> "30... 40.. 50... 70.. 90.. 110 .... 150... 160.. 170...". It felt
> like
> gambling.
> "I'm so dizzy, my head is spinning". I saw nothing except
> salesguy and the lamented opponent.
> "180... 190... 200... 210...". I glanced at her and noticed
> that she was pass. $210 was my bid.
> Auctioneer yelled "220! 220! Volts!", trying to challenge her,
> but unsuccessfully. Then he announced my victory. I heroically smiled
> and
> passed out. Moped was mine.
> > Andrew
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ------------------------------------------------

Hi Andrew, That was a great story! We think alike indeed... Could
you tell us more about yourself? I am very interested. It appears to
me that you are probably Russian from your name and the names of your
buddies in your last story. That was a really good story, I felt like
I was there sitting around waiting with you listening to the auctioneer.
:-). Talk to you later. Mike

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From: libertybell7@earthlink.net (Michael and Rena Burch)
Date: 7/26/97, 11:52:13 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Where oh where can a moped be?

Moped mailing list wrote:

> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ----------------------------------------------
> From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
> Date: 7/26/97, 3:55:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Where oh where can a moped be?
> > >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ----------------------------------------------
> > From: bmflynn@concentric.net (Bridget Flynn)
> > Date: 7/26/97, 3:06:17 PM
> >Subject: Where oh where can a moped be?
> > > >Any ideas on how to find a moped in Middle Tennessee (Nashville
> area)?
> >There is one dealer here who seems to have purchased everyone's old
> mopeds
> >and has them sitting in his shop... and won't let go of them. He
> tried to
> >sell me a 1985 Tomos yesterday (which needed work and barely had
> brakes)
> >for $700!!! Don't even ask how much his new ones are.
> > > >So does anyone have any ideas on how I might find a reasonably priced
> > >decent moped here in You-Must-Have-A-Car land???
> > > >Thanks, Bridget
> >bmflynn@concentric.net
> > > > > > > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ------------------------------------------------
> > You aren't the first person to go through a grueling moped search.
> Here is hint #1. Mopeds aren't sold or bought through dealers. They
> are highly
> irregular. In fact, I believe there is an entire moped underworld of
> people
> that know where there are mopeds and won't tell anyone else. Everyone
> knows
> there are thousands of mopeds sitting in the back of people's garages
> just
> waiting for someone to love them.
> > Let me tell you how three...yes three of us found mopeds in a town of
> only 15,000 people.
> I also want someone else to tell a moped finding story to top this
> one.
> > Two of us spent hours on end (at least 10) driving around
> neighborhoods
> looking in open garages for that buried moped houses. Once you start
> looking you'll get to know what a typical moped house looks like.
> Probably there will be a lot of junk in the garage, but still enough
> room
> to get a car in the stall where the moped is across the front of.
> > We found one moped in a garage, so we got out and knocked on the door
> and
> sure enough the thing had been sitting there for ten years and they
> didn't
> even know if it ran or not. But then the moped underworld took over
> and
> the guy said his kid might want to ride it or something.
> > Then we found the two old guys in this town that have all of the
> information
> on mopeds in the town. You see every town has one or two guys in town
> that
> know where all the mopeds are and will only reveal that information
> for a price.
> Unfortunately, we couldn't get any information out of him so we were
> forced
> to run an ad in the newspaper. No calls no calls no calls.
> > Then we got one call on the ad from a town of about 600 people about 5
> miles
> away. We found one yamaha non-running-moped that had been sitting for
> > about 5 years. Sold for $75. 1986 yamahopper. With a little work my
> friend's
> 14 year old brother made that run.
> > Then we were on a moped hunt another night when we ran into a guy I
> used
> to work with. Him being the most unlikely guy to ever own a moped it
> turns
> out he has one sitting in his barn. He wanted to get rid of it for
> some
> reason. Sold for $225. 1977 Puch maxi. 6300 miles.
> > #3. We harass a friend's dad for days on end with phone calls and
> door
> knocking and riding other mopeds by the house until he finally breaks
> down
> and sells us a 1978 near-mint condition moped for $225. 400 miles.
> Now the guy that sold us this one wants to take it for one last ride
> before
> he cashes the check that my buddy gave him.
> The actual sale took place while the official owner of this moped was
> 400 miles
> out of town and we harassed his son until he broke down.
> > This occupied our entire month of June and part of July.
> Needless to say, though, are efforts were well worth it that first
> night of
> mopeding down Main Ave. with our horns honking and engines revving.
> > Anyone else have a good story to top this one?
> > Bridget, you must know what you are getting into before you take on
> this
> mission.
> If you can't handle it, it can be reassigned without hesitation. Live
> long and
> prosper.
> > Jeff Coplan
> Brookings, SD
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
> ------------------------------------------------

What a great story! I enjoyed that very much... My sachs story is
not nearly as cool but here it is. I placed an ad in a local newspaper
(one of those 12 page knee-jerk effort local rags) and I got a bite
from a very nice and very attractive lady (would have asked for a date
if I wasn't married) wanting to get rid of a sachs suburban. When I
arrived on the scene the bike was in really good condition and missing
only the front fender... Her child (14 yrs old) informed me that the
bike was eating spark plugs like hell.
Why the front fender was removed and then tossed and missing who
knows.. Well anyway, I bought the bike for $120.00 and the problem
turned out to be an incorrect fuel/oil mixture installed by the kid.
Symptom was that the bike would run for a time and then quit requiring a
spark plug replacement. In any 2 cycle engine precise oil to fuel
measurement is VERY important, use precision measuring cups if necessary
and stay to spec.'s. Too much oil will create problems. I then replaced
the spark plug and got the correct fuel/oil ratio information from Steve
Hassa at mopedmoped@aol.com. The bike has worked great ever since. I
am still waiting for my next cool moped story and I will keep you all
informed. Best wishes..Mike. You are all my friends and keep in
touch!

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From: agner@erols.com (John Agner)
Date: 7/27/97, 9:44:09 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be ()
> Date: 7/26/97, 9:03:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped
> > Andrew, I'd have to disagree with your contention that pedals are not really
> useful on a moped.
> > >From a FUNCTIONAL standpoint, I agree with you completely. The pedals on my
> Peogeot have such a ridiculously low gearing that I would never want to use
> them as my sole form of locomotion. But from a LEGAL standpoint, I need
> those pedals! That's one of the disctinctions in the Commonwealth of
> Virginia (my home when I'm in the States) that distinguishes a moped from a
> motorcycle.
> > Motorcycles have to be licensed and insured -- a not insignificant expense.
> But my moped is no different than a bicycle -- no license plate or insurance
> required. THAT is one of the main financial attractions of a moped, at
> least for me.
> > Phil
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Re: the pedal debate--I was in the Smithsonian's Amer. History Museum in
DC yesterday. They displayed a 1902 Indian and a 1913 Harley, both with
pedals (I assume for starting). Moped or cycle? On the microcar
debate, the Smithsonian also had some neat turn of the century cars on
display that approach the microcar classification--one lung, small
displacement.

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From: agner@erols.com (John Agner)
Date: 7/27/97, 9:47:18 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Where oh where can a moped be?

Time foMoped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: bmflynn@concentric.net (Bridget Flynn)
> Date: 7/26/97, 3:06:17 PM
> Subject: Where oh where can a moped be?
> > Any ideas on how to find a moped in Middle Tennessee (Nashville area)?
> There is one dealer here who seems to have purchased everyone's old mopeds
> and has them sitting in his shop... and won't let go of them. He tried to
> sell me a 1985 Tomos yesterday (which needed work and barely had brakes)
> for $700!!! Don't even ask how much his new ones are.
> > So does anyone have any ideas on how I might find a reasonably priced
> decent moped here in You-Must-Have-A-Car land???
> > Thanks, Bridget
> bmflynn@concentric.net
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Time for a road trip. I had to travel about 2 hours to find my
bargain.Check the various cycle and scooter classifieds on the web,
including motorcycle shopper, or you might pick up a hard copy of
motorcycle shopper at the newstand.

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From: Icontrol@ix.netcom.com ()
Date: 7/27/97, 11:44:10 PM
Subject: mopeds what else:)

hey i want to find out about how fast they go and how they are. i want
to drive a real car but at the moment im only 16 and i need a parent and
to take a course for a permit(drivers ed). i want to know do you need to
take drivers ed for this? how does it work and where can i get some
info. my drivers book doesnt say much except you have to be 15 to get a
moped. well if ya can help me thanks... put me on the list:)

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/28/97, 9:27:36 AM
Subject: Fw: Four wheel mopeds?

----- reply to dragutin sabolek -------
HI!

Thank you for your kind help in getting information about 4-wheel
mopeds, and forwarding messages from others. Unfortunately what is
available on the Internet are only oldtimers which are interesting
as technical solutions and/or collecting items, but really not
available on the market.

For your information, there is a manufacturer of such mopeds or better
microcars, and that is company GRECAV Spa, Via A. Guerrieri 28,
46023 Gonzaga, Italy. They make beautiful tiny AMICA-LUNA car which
looks very similar to new Fiat Cinquecento. The car is 251 cm long,
133 cm wide,has 50ccm two-stroke engine 2,4 kW, variomatic transmission
with 4 speeds + reverse, electric starter, even ventilator-driven
heating. It is two-seater, with maximum speed of 45 km, and such
vehicles are intended for city, and cannot go to motorway...logical.

The other, technically similar microcar, with 50 ccm engine too, is
four wheel SULKY SP50. This one is sold by a distributor in Vienna,
and I do not know from where it comes from, perhaps Italy too.

I was actually searching for alternatives for such "mopeds" because
there is definitely market for such products. Above models are
extremely expensive in Austria (Amica $15.000, Sulky $12.000). As
comparison: Normal small cars can be bought for less than $9.000 (for
instance: new Skoda Felicia). So someone who could offer microcars at
more reasonable price, would have good chances in the market...

Once again, thanks for your help.
Thanks also to other friens who sent their comments.
Best regards,

D. C. Sabolek

dsabolek@aon.at
dsabolek@usa.net

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From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner)
Date: 7/28/97, 10:56:37 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

Jeff,
My Jawa has one of those things too, but it opens a port on the cylinder
head which prevents compression and STOPS the engine. Do you really use it
to start??? I'm confused.
Chuck
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E-mail: Chuck Koerner Date: 07/28/97
Time: 10:56:38

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From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
Date: 7/28/97, 11:31:47 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: mopeds what else:)

In a message dated 97-07-28 10:44:26 EDT, you write:

>hey i want to find out about how fast they go and how they are. i want
>to drive a real car but at the moment im only 16 and i need a parent and
>to take a course for a permit(drivers ed). i want to know do you need to
>take drivers ed for this? how does it work and where can i get some
>info. my drivers book doesnt say much except you have to be 15 to get a
>moped. well if ya can help me thanks... put me on the list:)

Legally Moped cannot go more than 20 mph. but I routinely go 35-40 and no-one
cares. As long as you aren't stupid (ie:passing cars, over posted speed
limit) you probably won't even have a radar gun pointed at you. No driver's
ed required (in Ohio), you take a written test (mostly "what does this road
sign mean?" and "maximum displacement for a moped is ____") for your temp.
Temp is good for 6 mo. but you cannot drive at night. You have to take a
driving test for the perminant liscense (it only take about 10 min. max.) and
you're good to go. By the way, mopeds are NOT allowed on highways or any
road with a MINIMUM speed limit of 45 mph or more, because, mopeds are not
capable of much more than 35-40 stock. w/ mods though, you could probably
get 55 mph out of one.

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From: PHATone74@aol.com ()
Date: 7/28/97, 11:35:09 AM
Subject: Fwd: help

I WROTE TO THIS PLACE ABOUT COMPRESION PROBLEMS AND THIS IS WHAT THEY SENT
ME.
!!!I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!
!!!!PLEASE TRANSLATE!!!!!!

In a message dated 97-07-28 09:02:30 EDT, MOPEDMOPED writes:

<< << From: PHATone74
To: MOPEDMOPED

< Please help me. I have a Garelli Supersport XL that doesn't run. I have
been told> THAT CAN BE >> Compression is as follows: There is a head gasket that seals the
compression between the head and the cylinder. There are four cylinder studs
with head bolts that must be tourqued at 9 foot lbs, evenly. The compression
is dependant on a good fit between the piston, cylinder and piston rings.
When the piston rings are in good condition they create about 150 psi
compression. Chechek all of the above.
After your inspection of the top end order a set of piston rings $19.95,
head, base and exhaust gaskets @ $4.95 each. Also get the cylinder honed out
and reconditioned. We do this for $15.00 . We will inspect your piston,
cylinder and rings for free if you send them to us.
A garelli repair and service manule copy is $21.95.
>>

---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj: Re: help
Date: 97-07-28 09:02:30 EDT
From: MOPEDMOPED
To: PHATone74

In a message dated 97-07-27 12:25:27 EDT, you write:

<< From: PHATone74
To: MOPEDMOPED

Please help me. I have a Garelli Supersport XL that doesn't run. I have
been told by a friend that the compresion is no good. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT
CAN BE DONE TO FIX COMPRESION??!
>> Compression is as follows: There is a head gasket that seals the
compression between the head and the cylinder. There are four cylinder studs
with head bolts that must be tourqued at 9 foot lbs, evenly. The compression
is dependant on a good fit between the piston, cylinder and piston rings.
When the piston rings are in good condition they create about 150 psi
compression. Chechek all of the above.
After your inspection of the top end order a set of piston rings $19.95,
head, base and exhaust gaskets @ $4.95 each. Also get the cylinder honed out
and reconditioned. We do this for $15.00 . We will inspect your piston,
cylinder and rings for free if you send them to us.
A garelli repair and service manule copy is $21.95.
Dear moped customer:

Thank you for your inquiry about Steve's Moped & Bicycle World Inc. 40 Park
Avenue Dumont New Jersey 07628 USA Phone # (201)384-7777 Double click on
the highlighted text to get to the sites or send e-mail.
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Regards:

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H.

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From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
Date: 7/28/97, 11:35:23 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Four wheel mopeds?

In a message dated 97-07-28 10:54:06 EDT, you write:

> Above models are
> extremely expensive in Austria (Amica $15.000, Sulky $12.000). As
> comparison: Normal small cars can be bought for less than $9.000 (for
> instance: new Skoda Felicia). So someone who could offer microcars at
> more reasonable price, would have good chances in the market...
> >
They have to use expensive lightweight componants though, don't they? To get
a 50cc 2.4 kw car to 45 kph (3 cid, 3.2 hp, 28 mph) the vehicle would have to
be extremely light, and light materials (aluminum, carbon fiber, etc. . .)
cost much more than the standard steel used in regular automobiles.

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From: chrislo@cfw.com (chris loewl)
Date: 7/28/97, 1:07:40 PM
Subject: pedals and decompression

the decompression lever (fittingly called "deco" in germany) can be used
to help start your moped if have trouble pushing the pedal down (a good
bike will resist you). with your foot on the pedal, push the lever down
till you feel the pedal move. use the momentum to follow thru. if you
press while the motors running it usually sputters and dies - unless you
rev the motor. this is useful if the sound makes you feel macho.
most of my hercules buddies took the cable off cuz it would jam open or
shut. my tip was: buy a zuendapp.
apropos macho: if you point both pedals in the same direction and manage
to attach footrests to the stem where the pedals are attached you get
that pseudo-motorbike feel too. but braking is rather tricky cuz you
tend to use both feet. course if you want to start its a nuisance to get
the pedals into postion. SO TAKE ONE OFF!
happy tinkering

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From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
Date: 7/28/97, 2:12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: paltron@interlog.com ()
> Date: 7/28/97, 2:17:35 PM
>Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped
> >Moped mailing list wrote:
>> >> --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
>> From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner)
>> Date: 7/28/97, 10:56:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped
>> >> Jeff,
>> My Jawa has one of those things too, but it opens a port on the cylinder
>> head which prevents compression and STOPS the engine. Do you really use it
>> to start??? I'm confused.
>> Chuck
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> Name: Chuck Koerner
>> E-mail: Chuck Koerner >> Date: 07/28/97
>> Time: 10:56:38
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>> >> --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
>I'm Paul, not Jeff, but the reed-valve (or decompressor) simply makes it
>easier to pick up the speed that is needed to engage the starter clutch.
> > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------

I'm Jeff...

Does this talk mean what I think it means? Are you saying you could start
a moped by just pedaling? But the decompressor just makes it easier or what?
I've always been under the impression that was a necessary element to making
it start.

What is the starter clutch?

Jeff
Puch man

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/28/97, 2:15:05 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: agner@erols.com (John Agner)
> Date: 7/27/97, 9:44:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped
> > Moped mailing list wrote:
> > > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> > From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be ()
> > Date: 7/26/97, 9:03:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped
> > > > Andrew, I'd have to disagree with your contention that pedals are not really
> > useful on a moped.
> > > > >From a FUNCTIONAL standpoint, I agree with you completely. The pedals on my
> > Peogeot have such a ridiculously low gearing that I would never want to use
> > them as my sole form of locomotion. But from a LEGAL standpoint, I need
> > those pedals! That's one of the disctinctions in the Commonwealth of
> > Virginia (my home when I'm in the States) that distinguishes a moped from a
> > motorcycle.
> > > > Motorcycles have to be licensed and insured -- a not insignificant expense.
> > But my moped is no different than a bicycle -- no license plate or insurance
> > required. THAT is one of the main financial attractions of a moped, at
> > least for me.
> > > > Phil
> > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
> Re: the pedal debate--I was in the Smithsonian's Amer. History Museum in
> DC yesterday. They displayed a 1902 Indian and a 1913 Harley, both with
> pedals (I assume for starting). Moped or cycle? On the microcar
> debate, the Smithsonian also had some neat turn of the century cars on
> display that approach the microcar classification--one lung, small
> displacement.
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Any chance I could somehow get the pics of these earlies?

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/28/97, 2:17:35 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner)
> Date: 7/28/97, 10:56:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped
> > Jeff,
> My Jawa has one of those things too, but it opens a port on the cylinder
> head which prevents compression and STOPS the engine. Do you really use it
> to start??? I'm confused.
> Chuck
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Name: Chuck Koerner
> E-mail: Chuck Koerner > Date: 07/28/97
> Time: 10:56:38
> > This message was sent by Z-Mail Pro - from NetManage
> NetManage - delivers Standards Based IntraNet Solutions
> --------------------------------------------------------
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
I'm Paul, not Jeff, but the reed-valve (or decompressor) simply makes it
easier to pick up the speed that is needed to engage the starter clutch.

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From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com (FINANCE 223-0683)
Date: 7/28/97, 3:38:45 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

Hi,

Ok - so here's a dumb question - what's a reed valve. (I get a picture
in my mind of something made out of a bamboo shoot type of material...)

Thanks!

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From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
Date: 7/28/97, 4:15:13 PM
Subject: Tomos A35 Engine

Does anyone know the proper torque for the bolts on the head of a Tomos A35
engine? The owner's manual does not specify how many ld-ft. Possably there
is a "chilton"-like repair manual?

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From: agner@erols.com (John Agner)
Date: 7/28/97, 4:48:20 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: paltron@interlog.com ()
> Date: 7/28/97, 2:15:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped
> > Moped mailing list wrote:
> > > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> > From: agner@erols.com (John Agner)
> > Date: 7/27/97, 9:44:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped
> > > > Moped mailing list wrote:
> > > > > > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> > > From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be ()
> > > Date: 7/26/97, 9:03:10 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped
> > > > > > Andrew, I'd have to disagree with your contention that pedals are not really
> > > useful on a moped.
> > > > > > >From a FUNCTIONAL standpoint, I agree with you completely. The pedals on my
> > > Peogeot have such a ridiculously low gearing that I would never want to use
> > > them as my sole form of locomotion. But from a LEGAL standpoint, I need
> > > those pedals! That's one of the disctinctions in the Commonwealth of
> > > Virginia (my home when I'm in the States) that distinguishes a moped from a
> > > motorcycle.
> > > > > > Motorcycles have to be licensed and insured -- a not insignificant expense.
> > > But my moped is no different than a bicycle -- no license plate or insurance
> > > required. THAT is one of the main financial attractions of a moped, at
> > > least for me.
> > > > > > Phil
> > > > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
> > Re: the pedal debate--I was in the Smithsonian's Amer. History Museum in
> > DC yesterday. They displayed a 1902 Indian and a 1913 Harley, both with
> > pedals (I assume for starting). Moped or cycle? On the microcar
> > debate, the Smithsonian also had some neat turn of the century cars on
> > display that approach the microcar classification--one lung, small
> > displacement.
> > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
> Any chance I could somehow get the pics of these earlies?
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
The Smithsonian has some websites; pictures might be posted. Otherwise
you might be able to email them or contact their gift shop at the Nat'l
Museum of Amer. History re: a book that contains the pics. Happy
hunting. BTW, admission is free, and there's free on-street parking on
constitution ave. on the weekend (I parked my van with popup in tow),
and free all day parking behind the Jefferson Memorial even during the
week, so check it out if you're in the area. Also, if you brought your
moped, DC seems very user friendly to bikes. For instance, on 23rd a
block from Constitution Ave., there was free 12 hour on-street parking
for motorcycles during business hours.

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From: WD4POH@ns1.intrlink.com (Bob Meadows)
Date: 7/28/97, 4:52:21 PM
Subject: Re: Parts for '77 Sachs Widelake Moped

>Can anyone help me locate a new connecting rod for a 1977 Sachs Widelake Moped? Also any instr/parts manuals for the '77 Sachs or a '77 Garelli Supersport Xl?
Regards to all the other Mopedheads....Great to have a mailing list like
this one, isn't it?...Tnx, Andrei.
Bob
WD4POH@intrlink.com
> > > >

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From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
Date: 7/29/97, 10:05:55 AM
Subject: 77 puch trouble

Hi.
Last night when I was riding my Puch, it died all of a sudden
(with the throttle near wide open). Then I tried to start it
and it wouldn't start. It would just turn over when I was
pedaling it with the lever on but as soon as I would quit
pedaling it would quit. Giving it gas didn't do anything,
but I could hear it like revving down when I gave it gas.
After pedaling and trying to start it for at least a half hour
It took off for about 15 seconds a couple times. Then about 10
minutes later it took off and has started o.k. since.

This morning when I was riding it ran o.k. for a while but then
it was like all of a sudden there was no gas or something and
it kinda pushed back (like airy feeling going through the lines
or something) then it would go a while then there would be another
airy kinda feeling.

It did this airy thing really bad a couple days ago and I think
it was because it was out of gas. I filled it with gas and it
didn't do it anymore. But the other thing is when I flipped it
to reserve tank, it didn't make any difference the way it ran.

Is this all related?

I haven't cleaned out my carb yet, do you think that could be what
it is?

thanks

Jeff Coplan
mopeder

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From: Jerry.Lansing@wj.com (Jerry Lansing)
Date: 7/29/97, 1:46:02 PM
Subject: Puch fuel mixture

Hello:

I just bought a 1978 Puch Moped. Does anyone know what gas/oil ratio I
should use?
Thanks,

Jerry
jerry.lansing@wj.com

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From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com ()
Date: 7/29/97, 3:42:22 PM
Subject: moped values?

is there anywhere one can go to find a approximate value for a moped? i have
two yamahoppers that i want to sell, but not sure of what price to ask for
them. i did see one at a cycle shop, and they wanted $750

david

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From: britton14@hotmail.com (Britton Wood)
Date: 7/29/97, 4:40:05 PM
Subject: wanted: working moped for under $250

Hi, I'm looking for any brand of moped for under $250. Moped must work
& be within 4hrs. driving distance of Washington DC. Thanks,

Britton

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From: Catrinus.Wallet@tek.COM (Catrinus Wallet)
Date: 7/29/97, 5:07:48 PM
Subject: Moped info wanted

I just bought an early-70's (judging by the
'cool orange' color alone!) Gitane Confort Lux
(that's not a misspelling of comfort, that's how
it's spelled on the chain guard!). It has a
Minerelli motor with a Dellorto carb which I think
needs to be rebuilt.

I'm looking for any information about this particular
model or about Gitane even. I can't seem to find
anything on the www. Any help you can give me would
be very much appreciated!

Catrinus.Wallet@juno.com

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From: PHATone74@aol.com ()
Date: 7/29/97, 5:48:36 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Parts for '77 Sachs Widelake Moped

For the Garelli Supersport XL: I HAVE ONE

I am excited. i didnt think anyone else had one. MINE DOSN"T RUN!!

FOR PARTS TRY MOPEDMOPED@aol.com

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From: PHATone74@aol.com ()
Date: 7/29/97, 5:57:09 PM
Subject: Help

I have a Garelli Supersport XL that Doesn't run. I am desperate for the
thing to run.
With FEROCIOUS pedaling it cranks about 5 times, sometimes backfiring. Smoke
usually comes from the piston head when it cranks. It ciezes up sometimes.

Could this be bad compresion?

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE SOME HELP ON WHAT I HAVE SAID??!!

THANKS,
DESPERATE IN JERSEY

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/29/97, 6:31:52 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

Moped mailing list wrote:

> I'm Jeff...
> > Does this talk mean what I think it means? Are you saying you could start
> a moped by just pedaling? But the decompressor just makes it easier or what?
> I've always been under the impression that was a necessary element to making
> it start.
> > What is the starter clutch?
> > Jeff
> Puch man
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Well, Puch man,
Here it is:
mopeds (with the exception of Tomos that uses a backward kick of the
pedals to turn the engine over) either have a centrifugal clutch or a
manual one for starting. The first uses a set of shoes, mounted on
coil-springs inside a drum that spins as you pedal along. Centrifugal
force will expand the shoes, they catch on the inside surface of the
drum (like brake shoes do) and engage the engine; the magneto sparks,
the carb opens, the piston sucks the mixture in and presto, you have
ignition and lift-off.
The manual thingie does pretty well the same, but instead of shoes it
has a friction disk and you do the work, not the forces of physics.
One common mistake manual-starters make (Puch, Sachs, most Italians)
trying to start by holding in the lever then stepping hard on the pedal.
Best way to ruin the surface of the clutch and as it happens on many
bikes, even brake the pedal shaft.
The decompressor only makes pedalling easier.

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/29/97, 6:33:52 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: 77 puch trouble

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
> Date: 7/29/97, 10:05:55 AM
> Subject: 77 puch trouble
> > Hi.
> Last night when I was riding my Puch, it died all of a sudden
> (with the throttle near wide open). Then I tried to start it
> and it wouldn't start. It would just turn over when I was
> pedaling it with the lever on but as soon as I would quit
> pedaling it would quit. Giving it gas didn't do anything,
> but I could hear it like revving down when I gave it gas.
> After pedaling and trying to start it for at least a half hour
> It took off for about 15 seconds a couple times. Then about 10
> minutes later it took off and has started o.k. since.
> > This morning when I was riding it ran o.k. for a while but then
> it was like all of a sudden there was no gas or something and
> it kinda pushed back (like airy feeling going through the lines
> or something) then it would go a while then there would be another
> airy kinda feeling.
> > It did this airy thing really bad a couple days ago and I think
> it was because it was out of gas. I filled it with gas and it
> didn't do it anymore. But the other thing is when I flipped it
> to reserve tank, it didn't make any difference the way it ran.
> > Is this all related?
> > I haven't cleaned out my carb yet, do you think that could be what
> it is?
> > thanks
> > Jeff Coplan
> mopeder
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Sounds like spark plug or breathing hole trouble to me.

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/29/97, 6:45:10 PM
Subject: Torrot Turismo

Hi mopedeers out there,
Anybody knows this baby close-up?It was made in Spain, uses a 14mm
Dell'Orto carb, very similar to Peugeot or Mobylette, but bigger and
stronger. I'd love to locate some parts resource for it. I have 2
frames, one working bike, but missing some parts and accessories. A user
manual would be nice too.
Picture attached.
Adios,
Paul
ANDREW:"THE PICTURE IS AT /d/moped/MOP-TORROT.JPG"

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From: garst@netscope.net (Stephen Garst)
Date: 7/29/97, 10:11:32 PM
Subject: Re: Tomos A35 Engine

The cylinder cover torque for the A35 is as follows 12 nm, 1.22 kpm 8.85
ft/lb. The workshop manual for the A35 is available from Tomos. Their
number is 800-845-7007. Hope this helps
Steve

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> From: Moped mailing list > To: PACDIALUP@cuyahoga.lib.oh.us
dgwood@pacifier.com
> Subject: Fw: Tomos A35 Engine
> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 1997 2:43 PM
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
----------------------------------------------
> From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
> Date: 7/28/97, 4:15:13 PM
> Subject: Tomos A35 Engine
> > Does anyone know the proper torque for the bolts on the head of a Tomos
A35
> engine? The owner's manual does not specify how many ld-ft. Possably
there
> is a "chilton"-like repair manual?
> > > > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE
------------------------------------------------

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From: ASprayberr@aol.com ()
Date: 7/30/97, 2:14:47 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: 77 puch trouble

Sounds like you sucked up some trash in your line.

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From: HarHill@aol.com ()
Date: 7/30/97, 7:58:47 AM
Subject: Jawa Flywheel

I need to get access to the clutch pads on a '79 Jawa. To do so I have to
remove 3 screws on the flywheel and the central bolt. The problem is keeping
the flywheel from moving so I can remove the central bolt. Anyone have any
good idea how to keep the flywheel from spinning for the bolt removal AND is
the bolt thread standard or reversed. Your thoughts would be appreciated.

Harold

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From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com ()
Date: 7/30/97, 8:26:45 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Help

sounds like your crankshaft-flywheel key might be partially sheared. also,
try injecting some carb cleaner into the spark plug hole and try to start it.
it SHOULD run for a few seconds before dying. if it does, you've got carb
problems.

In a message dated 97-07-30 03:27:18 EDT, you write:

><< I have a Garelli Supersport XL that Doesn't run. I am desperate for the
> thing to run.
> With FEROCIOUS pedaling it cranks about 5 times, sometimes backfiring.
>Smoke
> usually comes from the piston head when it cranks. It ciezes up sometimes.

> Could this be bad compresion?

>WILL SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE SOME HELP ON WHAT I HAVE SAID??!!

THANKS,
DESPERATE IN JERSEY

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From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
Date: 7/30/97, 9:50:52 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Tomos A35 Engine

At 13:43 29-07-97 -0500, you wrote:
>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
> Date: 7/28/97, 4:15:13 PM
>Subject: Tomos A35 Engine
> >Does anyone know the proper torque for the bolts on the head of a Tomos A35
>engine? The owner's manual does not specify how many ld-ft. Possably there
>is a "chilton"-like repair manual?

Yes, I do..

In our workshop we use metric tools and always tighten with 1.2-1.5 Kgf/m
wich is 8.7-10.8 Lb/ft
Be sure to clean the contact surfaces thoroughly. Always use a new
head-gasket. If the surfaces are very smooth (no rust) you can assemble it
without head-gasket.

Cheers,

Hans Hartman

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From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
Date: 7/30/97, 9:50:54 AM
Subject: Re: Parts for '77 Sachs Widelake Moped

At 13:43 29-07-97 -0500, you wrote:
>Subject: Re: Parts for '77 Sachs Widelake Moped
> >>Can anyone help me locate a new connecting rod for a 1977 Sachs Widelake
Moped?

Yes I can, I can't see who posted this originally, I live in the Netherlands.
Sachs pieces are available over here, although it's getting more difficult
to find.

>Also any instr/parts manuals for the '77 Sachs or a '77 Garelli Supersport Xl?

I have to look for parts lists, instruction manuals are hard to find and
don't yield that much of relevant data anyway. It is better to buy a Haynes
manual or something like that..

Nothing in Garelli,

Perhaps Guido knows about Garelli's?

Cheers,

Hans Hartman

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From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
Date: 7/30/97, 10:08:53 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Puch Ignition Timing?

At 02:16 30-07-97 -0500, you wrote:
>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN)
> Date: 5/30/96, 3:53:13 AM
>Subject: Puch Ignition Timing?
> >Ok, I just put a flywheel on my puch maxi from a different bike and I need
>to know how to adjust the ignition timing...I'm getting a nice spark and

No, not OK... You can't just swap flywheels from one bike to another (except
if the other is Maxi too). To be sure, always swap igniotions as a whole.
There are partnumbers on all Bosch parts, check if they're the same.

Ignition timing is 1.5 mm before TDC.

Cheers,

Hans Hartman

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From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
Date: 7/30/97, 10:08:55 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Moped info wanted

Hi fellow mopedeer..
At 02:17 30-07-97 -0500, you wrote:

> From: Catrinus.Wallet@tek.COM (Catrinus Wallet)
> Date: 7/29/97, 5:07:48 PM
>Subject: Moped info wanted
> >I just bought an early-70's (judging by the
>'cool orange' color alone!) Gitane Confort Lux
>(that's not a misspelling of comfort, that's how
>it's spelled on the chain guard!). It has a
>Minerelli motor with a Dellorto carb which I think
>needs to be rebuilt.
> >I'm looking for any information about this particular
>model or about Gitane even. I can't seem to find
>anything on the www. Any help you can give me would
>be very much appreciated!

Well, for starters: Gitane is a bycicle factory in France, didn't know they
ever made mopeds. Nevertheless, Minarelli is a familiar brand. Is it a FBM
Minarelli? Wich type? That info should be on a black plate somewhere on the
engine.
Can't you put a picture on the web of this machine?

Cheers,

Hans Hartman

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From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
Date: 7/30/97, 10:08:57 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Puch fuel mixture

Hi, Jerry, rest of you mopedeers..

At 02:16 30-07-97 -0500, you wrote:
> Hello:
> > I just bought a 1978 Puch Moped. Does anyone know what gas/oil ratio I
> should use?
> Thanks,

2% mixture will do nicely. I use a full-synthetic oil and that's working
fine! NO more carbon troubles this month.

Cheers,

Hans Hartman

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/30/97, 10:10:37 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Puch fuel mixture

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: Jerry.Lansing@wj.com (Jerry Lansing)
> Date: 7/29/97, 1:46:02 PM
> Subject: Puch fuel mixture
> > Hello:
> > I just bought a 1978 Puch Moped. Does anyone know what gas/oil ratio I
> should use?
> Thanks,
> > Jerry
> jerry.lansing@wj.com
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
50:1 or 2% and only use motorcycle 2-stroke oil, not the lawnmower
variety.

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From: PHATone74@aol.com ()
Date: 7/30/97, 10:16:45 AM
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Re: Parts for '77 Sachs Widelake Moped

You can get Garelli parts from: mopedmoped@aol.com

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/30/97, 10:17:43 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Moped info wanted

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: Catrinus.Wallet@tek.COM (Catrinus Wallet)
> Date: 7/29/97, 5:07:48 PM
> Subject: Moped info wanted
> > I just bought an early-70's (judging by the
> 'cool orange' color alone!) Gitane Confort Lux
> (that's not a misspelling of comfort, that's how
> it's spelled on the chain guard!). It has a
> Minerelli motor with a Dellorto carb which I think
> needs to be rebuilt.
> > I'm looking for any information about this particular
> model or about Gitane even. I can't seem to find
> anything on the www. Any help you can give me would
> be very much appreciated!
> > Catrinus.Wallet@juno.com
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Get a pictue and post it. Easier to identify.

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From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner)
Date: 7/30/97, 11:20:39 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought aftermoped

Yes, all I have to do is pedal my Jawa to start it...because it has a
centrifical clutch, the engine will turn over once you've pedaled fast
enough.It has no manual clutch lever. I STOP the moped by pressing the
decompressor lever.
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From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
Date: 7/30/97, 11:41:43 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: 77 puch trouble

In a message dated 97-07-29 14:59:23 EDT, you write:

>It did this airy thing really bad a couple days ago and I think
>it was because it was out of gas. I filled it with gas and it
>didn't do it anymore. But the other thing is when I flipped it
>to reserve tank, it didn't make any difference the way it ran.
Lets go for the simple stupid answer. How long are your fuel lines? It
could take a while for the engine to get the fuel from the reserve tank.

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From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner)
Date: 7/30/97, 11:55:36 AM
Subject: '79 Jawa Help

I have 2 quick questions regarding a '79 Jawa that I need advise on:
1) After running about 30 seconds, moped dies and gas mixture appears
leaking from head area (NOT where carb intake joins head). Took off head
suspecting bad head gasket and noticed that there was NO head gasket. IS
THIS NORMAL??
2) Gas valve appears to be permanently 'off' on old valves. Valve body is
perfectly cleaned. Suspect that the black rubber seat has swollen over time
cutting off gas supply. Anyone else ever seen this?? Where can I get a
replacement seat?
Chuck
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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/30/97, 2:29:28 PM
Subject: Fw: Scooter

---- reply to Kevin ------
Hello, my name is Kevin, and I was wondering if you could answer a
question for me. See I have a Yamaha Riva CA-50 1986 Scooter, and I
ordered a part from my local Yamaha dealer. The part I ordered was a
headlight for the front of the scooter. I called back about 3 weeks
later to ask the parts man if the part came in and he said that it was
backordered. What does this mean? and how much longer do I have to wait
to get my headlight? I was wondering if you could tell me if they would
still make parts for a 1986 Yamaha Riva Scooter, or if it would be to
old of a model to get parts for. Please reply back with the answers to
my questions, I would be very greatful. My email address is
birdman@csrlink.net

Thanks Sincerely, Kevin

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/30/97, 3:04:08 PM
Subject: Fw: 40tl model

------ reply to Gary Williams ---------
hope you can point us in right direction to get a 1976 40tl fixed.
haven't run it in 20 years, but have stored it in dry basement. all
parts, even tires are good. Small pits of rust on forks but otherwise no
damage. I used to ride before we had the kids. Now the kid is 17 and
yearning to get it going again. we live in SE CT, near New London. Any
leads on who may be able to help us? We think it's the flywheel assembly
that's shot. Would appreciate any help. Thanks...
The Williams family 860 536-6054.
We sold the partner moped, a 50tl for $100. works great. The kid that
bought it has added over 200 miles in 2 weeks! Help us get the other
going?

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From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com (Chuck Koerner)
Date: 7/30/97, 3:04:40 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Jawa Flywheel

Nut is standard thread as I remember. The only way I could get mine off is
by using a friend's impact wrench (i.e. air powered). Otherwise you'll have
to find a strap wrench (I was never able to find one big enough).
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From: HarHill@aol.com ()
Date: 7/30/97, 3:22:28 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: '79 Jawa Help

Chuck,
I think the black rubber fuel seal is a common problem to all mopeds. No one
seems to sell the black gasket alone, only new valve assemblies. That's a
shame because the valve seems perfectly fine needing only a gasket !

Harold

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From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com ()
Date: 7/30/97, 3:41:31 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Jawa Flywheel

i dont know if you have space around the flywheel, but could try using a
band-type adjustable oil filter wrench to hold it while you loosen the nut.
another trick i've used on an old outboard motor is to feed some small
diameter rope into the spark plug hole with the piston at bdc and then slowly
turn the motor over until the piston jams against the rope so you can loosen
the nut. use nylon rope so rope strands don't get left inside. if you can't
see the flywheel threads to see which way they turn, just turn the nut both
ways a tiny bit. you should then be able to figure out which way it was
threaded on.

In a message dated 97-07-30 14:57:58 EDT, harold writes:

<< I need to get access to the clutch pads on a '79 Jawa. To do so I have to
remove 3 screws on the flywheel and the central bolt. The problem is keeping
the flywheel from moving so I can remove the central bolt. Anyone have any
good idea how to keep the flywheel from spinning for the bolt removal AND
is
the bolt thread standard or reversed. Your thoughts would be appreciated.

Harold >>
david

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/30/97, 8:07:54 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Jawa Flywheel

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: HarHill@aol.com ()
> Date: 7/30/97, 7:58:47 AM
> Subject: Jawa Flywheel
> > I need to get access to the clutch pads on a '79 Jawa. To do so I have to
> remove 3 screws on the flywheel and the central bolt. The problem is keeping
> the flywheel from moving so I can remove the central bolt. Anyone have any
> good idea how to keep the flywheel from spinning for the bolt removal AND is
> the bolt thread standard or reversed. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
> > Harold
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
You need a special tool to remove the drum. Don't try to pry it off. It
looks as if it was a separate piece but it isn't. You can buy one from a
Jawa dealer.

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/30/97, 8:13:44 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch Ignition Timing?

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN)
> Date: 5/31/96, 1:49:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch Ignition Timing?
> > >--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> > From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
> > Date: 7/30/97, 10:08:53 AM
> >Subject: Re: Fw: Puch Ignition Timing?
> > > >At 02:16 30-07-97 -0500, you wrote:
> >>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> >> From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN)
> >> Date: 5/30/96, 3:53:13 AM
> >>Subject: Puch Ignition Timing?
> >> > >>Ok, I just put a flywheel on my puch maxi from a different bike and I need
> >>to know how to adjust the ignition timing...I'm getting a nice spark and
> > > > > >No, not OK... You can't just swap flywheels from one bike to another (except
> >if the other is Maxi too). To be sure, always swap igniotions as a whole.
> >There are partnumbers on all Bosch parts, check if they're the same.
> > > >Ignition timing is 1.5 mm before TDC.
> > > >Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > >Hans Hartman
> > > > > > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
> > btw, What is TDC?
> Thanks,
> DS
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
Top Dead Center, the highest position of the piston in the cylinder.

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From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
Date: 7/31/97, 9:00:25 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch fuel mixture

>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
> Date: 7/30/97, 10:08:57 AM
>Subject: Re: Fw: Puch fuel mixture
> >Hi, Jerry, rest of you mopedeers..
> >At 02:16 30-07-97 -0500, you wrote:
>> Hello:
>> >> I just bought a 1978 Puch Moped. Does anyone know what gas/oil ratio I
>> should use?
>> Thanks,
> >2% mixture will do nicely. I use a full-synthetic oil and that's working
>fine! NO more carbon troubles this month.
> > >Cheers,
> > > >Hans Hartman
> > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------

What is full-synthetic oil? Is it hard to find or anything?
I have never seen anything like it with the 2-cycle stuff.
Is it 2-cycle synthetic or is it not 2-cycles oil?
What is the difference with it?

Thanks

Jeff Coplan
Brookings, SD

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From: jcoplanj@brookings.net (Coplan)
Date: 7/31/97, 9:05:14 AM
Subject: 1977 puch maxi electrical wiring stuff

Another step in the restoration process...

The wiring on my moped right now is straight out of the ghetto!

My headlight is dim and my horn barely works if it does at all.
My moped technician installed this ghetto looking switch for the
horn on my moped. The problem is that the first owner put on all
this stupid extra shit like strobe lights and turn signals and
screwed up all the wiring.
The tail light and brake light work great, however.
Is there a quick fix for the head light and horn?
When I finally get a wiring diagram I guess I'll have an electrician
look at it if no one can help me here. Thanks

Jeff Coplan

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/31/97, 9:35:30 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Velo Solex..

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN)
> Date: 7/30/97, 11:36:13 AM
> Subject: Velo Solex..
> > I have the opportunity to buy a mid-1960s black velo solex in pretty good
> condition for $300...Is it worth it? Are these peds functional or do they
> just look cool? It seems to me that a moped with an engine in the front
> would be pretty damn hard to drive..How are these things to drive?
> Thanks,
> Dan
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
If you're a collector type, go for it. Solexes have grown into a real
cult, especially in England. There are not too many around over here and
parts are somewhat difficult to find.
Whether it's worth $300?Hard to say. It must be running well in front of
your eyes, otherwise don't bother.
Riding it is not difficult but you have to get used to the weirdness of
the thing. First, it is slow compared to ordinary mopeds (the absolute
max it does is about 20 mph with a strong back wind) and you have to
pedal up the hill "to help the engine". And, there is no throttle
control; it's either on or off.
On the other hand, Solexes are quite lightweight and therefore are
popular.
If you plan to use it in regular traffic, check with your local DMV
whether it is legal. In some States it is not anymore.

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From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
Date: 7/31/97, 10:24:53 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch Ignition Timing?

In a message dated 97-07-30 16:39:05 EDT, you write:

> >btw, What is TDC?
>Thanks,
>DS

Top Dead Center

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From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
Date: 7/31/97, 10:31:38 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Velo Solex..

In a message dated 97-07-31 02:13:25 EDT, you write:

>I have the opportunity to buy a mid-1960s black velo solex in pretty good
>condition for $300...Is it worth it? Are these peds functional or do they
>just look cool? It seems to me that a moped with an engine in the front
>would be pretty damn hard to drive..How are these things to drive?
>Thanks,
>Dan

I haven't ridden one, but I hear they are some of the most utilitarian mopeds
ever made. Also, at around 70 lbs, pedaling might actually be an option if
you run out of gas. There might be extra maintenance because of the fuel
pump. (Yes, fuel pump.) The solex has a pump because the tank is level with
the engine, so it does need a pump.

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From: laurinj@videotron.ca (Jean-Sébastien Laurin)
Date: 7/31/97, 11:57:24 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Puch fuel mixture

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: Jerry.Lansing@wj.com (Jerry Lansing)
> Date: 7/29/97, 1:46:02 PM
> Subject: Puch fuel mixture
> > Hello:
> > I just bought a 1978 Puch Moped. Does anyone know what gas/oil ratio I
> should use?
> Thanks,
> > Jerry
> jerry.lansing@wj.com
> > --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
According to the cap-measure (and the shopmanual) the correct gas/oil
ratio is 1 part of oil for 25 parts of gas (1:25 or 4%)

Jean-Sébastien Laurin
Parts and restoration
Motobecane, Solex, Puch, Sachs

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From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN)
Date: 7/31/97, 3:08:39 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Velo Solex..

>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
> Date: 7/31/97, 10:54:55 PM
>Subject: Re: Fw: Velo Solex..
> >Hi, Dan
>At 01:10 31-07-97 -0500, you wrote:
> >> From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN)
>> Date: 7/30/97, 11:36:13 AM
>>Subject: Velo Solex..
>> >>I have the opportunity to buy a mid-1960s black velo solex in pretty good
>>condition for $300...Is it worth it?
> >Does it have a round or rectangular frame?
>It's exactly worth what you want to pay for it. Some people tend to talk
>about moped values as if it were fixed prices like ounces of gold. Prices
>for old mopeds are usually based on what a very rich collector gave for a
>superbly restored model at a Sotheby's auction..
> >Down here (Netherlands) it should do around $250-300 for a fine
>(restored,complete and running) round frame one..
>They are manufactured new under the name Cyclon in Tchegoslowakia. Parts of
>this bike and the old one are compatible.
> > >>Are these peds functional or do they
>>just look cool? It seems to me that a moped with an engine in the front
>>would be pretty damn hard to drive..How are these things to drive?
> >They look cool and they are :-) Riding is just like any other moped, and not
>difficult at all. The used techiques are very simple and basic. So
>maintenance should be no problem..
> > >Cheers,
> > > > > >Hans Hartman
> > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------

Its got a rectangular frame..
Laterz,
DS

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From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN)
Date: 7/31/97, 3:15:55 PM
Subject: puller..

Hiya, where can I get a good price on a flywheel puller for my JC Penney
pinto (a.k.a puch maxi clone)?
gracias,
Dan

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From: daugava@inlink.com (Andrei Zaitsev)
Date: 7/31/97, 4:02:04 PM
Subject: 1975 EASY MOPED

------- reply to Joel Gallagher -----
I recently got a 1975 "EASY MOPED" The starter will not engage when I
peddle. I pulled the cover off and there is a gear with alot teeth
missing right next to the starter. I know this may seem to be the
obvious problem but is there any thing else it could be? Also where
could I get a new-used replacement gear? Please also respond by Email.

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From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be ()
Date: 7/31/97, 9:39:38 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped

>> From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be ()
>> Date: 7/26/97, 9:03:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: most sought after moped
>> >> Andrew, I'd have to disagree with your contention that pedals are not really
>> useful on a moped.
>> >> >From a FUNCTIONAL standpoint, I agree with you completely. The pedals on my
>> Peogeot have such a ridiculously low gearing that I would never want to use
>> them as my sole form of locomotion. But from a LEGAL standpoint, I need
>> those pedals! That's one of the disctinctions in the Commonwealth of
>> Virginia (my home when I'm in the States) that distinguishes a moped from a
>> motorcycle.
>> >> Motorcycles have to be licensed and insured -- a not insignificant expense.
>> But my moped is no different than a bicycle -- no license plate or insurance
>> required. THAT is one of the main financial attractions of a moped, at
>> least for me.
>> >> Phil
>> >> --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------
>Re: the pedal debate--I was in the Smithsonian's Amer. History Museum in
>DC yesterday. They displayed a 1902 Indian and a 1913 Harley, both with
>pedals (I assume for starting). Moped or cycle? On the microcar
>debate, the Smithsonian also had some neat turn of the century cars on
>display that approach the microcar classification--one lung, small
>displacement.
>

This is too good of a coincidence to be true! My mother --Doreen Kuhl-- is
a docent at the American History Museum! So you might pose that question to
her! (Her likely answer will be that she doesn't have the slightest idea!)
Actually, I would contend that mopeds are a subset of motorcycles. I.E.,
all mopeds are motorcycles (motor + bicycle), but not all motorcycles are
mopeds. Mopeds generally are motorcycles that have pedals, engines under
50cc displacement, stock level-ground speed no more than 30mph/50kph.

Phil
Philip.Kuhl@ping.be

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From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be ()
Date: 7/31/97, 9:39:40 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: mopeds what else:)

At 10:49 7/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: AaronM428@aol.com ()
> Date: 7/28/97, 11:31:47 AM
>Subject: Re: Fw: mopeds what else:)
> >In a message dated 97-07-28 10:44:26 EDT, you write:
> >>hey i want to find out about how fast they go and how they are. i want
>>to drive a real car but at the moment im only 16 and i need a parent and
>>to take a course for a permit(drivers ed). i want to know do you need to
>>take drivers ed for this? how does it work and where can i get some
>>info. my drivers book doesnt say much except you have to be 15 to get a
>>moped. well if ya can help me thanks... put me on the list:)
> >Legally Moped cannot go more than 20 mph. but I routinely go 35-40 and no-one
>cares. As long as you aren't stupid (ie:passing cars, over posted speed
>limit) you probably won't even have a radar gun pointed at you. No driver's
>ed required (in Ohio), you take a written test (mostly "what does this road
>sign mean?" and "maximum displacement for a moped is ____") for your temp.
> Temp is good for 6 mo. but you cannot drive at night. You have to take a
>driving test for the perminant liscense (it only take about 10 min. max.) and
>you're good to go. By the way, mopeds are NOT allowed on highways or any
>road with a MINIMUM speed limit of 45 mph or more, because, mopeds are not
>capable of much more than 35-40 stock. w/ mods though, you could probably
>get 55 mph out of one.
> > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------

Actually, the maximum speed legally allowed for a moped in the US varies:
20, 25, or 30 mph according to the jurisdiction. In Virginia, for example
(my home when I am in the States), it is 30 mph. In Belgium, where I now
live, there are two classes of moped -- one with a legal maximum of 25 kmh
and the other 40 kmh, but both routinely go a bit faster. (My "40 kmh"
stock 1996 Peugeot 103 does about 52-53 kmh.)

Think twice before you make a moped go 55 mph with modifications. Such
speeds will do the motor no good, but more important: The brakes and
suspension are not designed to handle such speeds, as is a motorcycle.
Crash on a moped at that speed and you won't likely be driving or riding
anything else for a very long time! Not to metnion that such modifications
are quite illegal -- it makes the moped a motorcycle from the standpoint of
the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV), and the moped does not meet DMV
motorcycle requirements.

Phil

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From: duckdogs@bright.net (Kauffman's)
Date: 7/31/97, 9:40:44 PM
Subject: Puch mixture

Mopeders, My '79 filler cap sez 1:25 for oil,,,, and 1:50 for two stroke
oil. FWIW
Greg Kauffman
1974 2002 Tii
1968 Z28
1988 Suburban, the "Rig"
1970 Norton Commando S
1979 Puch Maxi

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From: ASprayberr@aol.com ()
Date: 7/31/97, 10:07:37 PM
Subject: HELP!! Badger moped

I have a 197? badger moped. I am needing to find out what type if spark
plug this moped takes. On the engine it has laura on it. It was made in
japan. I also need a headlight assymbly. Also I need the right side chain
guard and left side engine cover. Also I need advice on where to get cables
for it. I know this seems like a whole lot BUT I did only give 20 dollars
for it.
Any and all help would really be appreciated on this.
i thank you in advance;-)

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From: paltron@interlog.com ()
Date: 7/31/97, 10:11:04 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Velo Solex..

Moped mailing list wrote:
> > --- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
> Date: 7/31/97, 10:54:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Velo Solex..
> > Hi, Dan
> At 01:10 31-07-97 -0500, you wrote:
>
> They are manufactured new under the name Cyclon in Tchegoslowakia. Parts of
> this bike and the old one are compatible.
Incorrect; they're made in Hungary, under the name Cyclon-Berestal and
exported to Western Europe, France included.
See pic:
/d/moped/CYKLON.JPG

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From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
Date: 7/31/97, 10:54:48 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Scooter

At 14:31 30-07-97 -0500, you wrote:
>Subject: Fw: Scooter

> Hello, my name is Kevin, and I was wondering if you could answer a
> question for me. See I have a Yamaha Riva CA-50 1986 Scooter, and I
> ordered a part from my local Yamaha dealer. The part I ordered was a
> headlight for the front of the scooter. I called back about 3 weeks
> later to ask the parts man if the part came in and he said that it was
> backordered. What does this mean?

Well, usually this means they forgot to order the damn thing in the shop....
Sometimes the parts have to be shipped from Japan or Europe, this of course
is done in huge batches, so it can take some time...

>and how much longer do I have to wait

Nobody knows...

> to get my headlight? I was wondering if you could tell me if they would
> still make parts for a 1986 Yamaha Riva Scooter, or if it would be to
> old of a model to get parts for.

I can order parts for 1978 models at Yamaha's; I have never heard or seen a
CA50 Riva, do you have a digital picture?
If so, send it over, I'm always curious..

Cheers,

Hans Hartman
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From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN)
Date: 5/30/96, 3:53:13 AM
Subject: Puch Ignition Timing?

Ok, I just put a flywheel on my puch maxi from a different bike and I need
to know how to adjust the ignition timing...I'm getting a nice spark and
gas is getting into the clyinder, but the thing won't start..Any help is
greatly appreciated..
Thanks,
DS

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From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN)
Date: 5/31/96, 1:44:55 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch Ignition Timing?

>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
> Date: 7/30/97, 10:08:53 AM
>Subject: Re: Fw: Puch Ignition Timing?
> >At 02:16 30-07-97 -0500, you wrote:
>>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
>> From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN)
>> Date: 5/30/96, 3:53:13 AM
>>Subject: Puch Ignition Timing?
>> >>Ok, I just put a flywheel on my puch maxi from a different bike and I need
>>to know how to adjust the ignition timing...I'm getting a nice spark and
> > >No, not OK... You can't just swap flywheels from one bike to another (except
>if the other is Maxi too). To be sure, always swap igniotions as a whole.
>There are partnumbers on all Bosch parts, check if they're the same.
> >Ignition timing is 1.5 mm before TDC.
> >Cheers,
> > > > >Hans Hartman
> > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------

It was from another maxi..
Thanks,
Dan

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From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN)
Date: 5/31/96, 1:49:40 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch Ignition Timing?

>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
> From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
> Date: 7/30/97, 10:08:53 AM
>Subject: Re: Fw: Puch Ignition Timing?
> >At 02:16 30-07-97 -0500, you wrote:
>>--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ----------------------------------------------
>> From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN)
>> Date: 5/30/96, 3:53:13 AM
>>Subject: Puch Ignition Timing?
>> >>Ok, I just put a flywheel on my puch maxi from a different bike and I need
>>to know how to adjust the ignition timing...I'm getting a nice spark and
> > >No, not OK... You can't just swap flywheels from one bike to another (except
>if the other is Maxi too). To be sure, always swap igniotions as a whole.
>There are partnumbers on all Bosch parts, check if they're the same.
> >Ignition timing is 1.5 mm before TDC.
> >Cheers,
> > > > >Hans Hartman
> > > >--- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE ------------------------------------------------

btw, What is TDC?
Thanks,
DS

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From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
Date: 7/31/97, 10:54:50 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Puch Ignition Timing?

Hi Dan,
We wrote:

>>>Ok, I just put a flywheel on my puch maxi from a different bike and I need
>>>to know how to adjust the ignition timing...I'm getting a nice spark and
>> >> >>No, not OK... You can't just swap flywheels from one bike to another (except
>>if the other is Maxi too). To be sure, always swap igniotions as a whole.
>>There are partnumbers on all Bosch parts, check if they're the same.
>> >>Ignition timing is 1.5 mm before TDC.

This timing is for the 25 KM/H model, 45 KM/H model needs just 1.0mm!!

>btw, What is TDC?

Top Dead Center (the piston in it's upper top)

Cheers,

Hans Hartman

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From: hansn@xs4all.nl (Hans Hartman)
Date: 7/31/97, 10:54:55 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Velo Solex..

Hi, Dan
At 01:10 31-07-97 -0500, you wrote:

> From: drstupid@usa.net (DAN)
> Date: 7/30/97, 11:36:13 AM
>Subject: Velo Solex..
> >I have the opportunity to buy a mid-1960s black velo solex in pretty good
>condition for $300...Is it worth it?

Does it have a round or rectangular frame?
It's exactly worth what you want to pay for it. Some people tend to talk
about moped values as if it were fixed prices like ounces of gold. Prices
for old mopeds are usually based on what a very rich collector gave for a
superbly restored model at a Sotheby's auction..

Down here (Netherlands) it should do around $250-300 for a fine
(restored,complete and running) round frame one..
They are manufactured new under the name Cyclon in Tchegoslowakia. Parts of
this bike and the old one are compatible.

>Are these peds functional or do they
>just look cool? It seems to me that a moped with an engine in the front
>would be pretty damn hard to drive..How are these things to drive?

They look cool and they are :-) Riding is just like any other moped, and not
difficult at all. The used techiques are very simple and basic. So
maintenance should be no problem..

Cheers,

Hans Hartman

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