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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 07:04:53 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Re: A sick moped


If you can get the motor to turn over, see if there is any compression. If so,
the other things you will have to determine are: a) is there spark?
b) is fuel getting to
the cylinder?
c) is air getting to
the carb
These three basic things are all that is necessary to make the engine run.

How long since it last ran?
Does it have old gas in the tank?

You most likely will need to remove fuel tank and carb for a thorough
cleaning.
Also make sure the tail light bulb has not blown, as on some mopeds it will
affect the ignition system.
Good Luck!



Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:48:23 -0000
To: From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: Re: putting a 70CC kit on tomos targa


Please advise where you ordered the kit.

Thanks, Tony

----------
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net
> To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: putting a 70CC kit on tomos targa
> Date: Saturday, November 01, 1997 1:07 AM
> > *************************************************
> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:07:51 -0500
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
> Subject: putting a 70CC kit on tomos targa
> > > ordered a 70 cc kit and where do you mount the choke lever? on 1996
> Tomos Targa...thanks..
>


Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:50:07 -0000
To: From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: Re: Solex parts


I also have a Solex 3800. Should you find a source for the items you are
looking for,
please let me know about it.

Thanks, Tony

----------
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net
> To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Solex parts
> Date: Saturday, November 01, 1997 1:07 AM
> > *************************************************
> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:16:36 -0600
> To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" > From: cooperm@granite.mb.ca
> Subject: Solex parts
> > > I have a velosolex 3800 and need a jug,piston and rings,carb.,brake
handel and manual.thank you.
>


Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:55:46 -0000
To: From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: Re: Kinetic moped


Looks like Cosmopolitan is under-cutting their dealers, by quoting you such
a low price for a "new" moped. I planned on contacting Cosmopolitan about
becoming one of their dealers, but seeing your note has changed my mind.

----------
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net
> To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Re: Kinetic moped
> Date: Saturday, November 01, 1997 1:07 AM
> > *************************************************
> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:37:57 EST
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: browncrew@juno.com
> Subject: Re: Kinetic moped
> > > I talked to Cosmopolitan of Hatboro, PA to get the price of one of their
> Kinetic mopeds. The price quoted to me was $595.00. Anyone have
> experience with the brand "Kinetic"? Are they reliable? Cosmo is
> sending a brochure with basic information.
> > Keith
> > > On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:32:06 +0100 daugava@nothnbut.net writes:
> >*************************************************
> >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:14:34 -0500
> >To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> >From: paltron@interlog.com
> >Subject: Re: Kinetic moped
> > > > > >daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> >> > >> *************************************************
> >> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:43:19 -0500 (EST)
> >> To: Moped Mailing List > >> From: danny@dreamscape.com
> >> Subject: Kinetic moped
> >> > >> For anyone interested, the US importer of Kinetic mopeds is
> >Cosmopolitan
> >> Motors of Hatboro, PA (just outside Philly). They're very nice
> >people who
> >> have been importing bikes forever. They were the last official
> >importers
> >> of Lambretta scooters back in the 80s. I don't have their phone
> >number
> >> handy, but it's listed.
> >> > >> ~ Danny ~
> >> > >> ANDREW: Yes, their phone is 800-523-2522
> >> I thought, somebody mentioned that they can sell retail (not only
> >> wholesale).
> >> > >> ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
> >> syracuse ska!! > >> all about scooters!! > >> -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
> >Cosmo likes to sell to outfits like CostCo and the PriceClub,
> >catalogues, etc.
> >Speaking of Lambrettas, Indian made versions of the original are
> >available through a Canadian outfit. Contact them at
> >www.performancescooters.com
> > > > > > >


Date: 01 Nov 1997 09:23:46 -0800
To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" From: WILMET@SAFECO.com
Subject: Motobecane Mobylette restoration


To @REPLY Hi Brian,
My name is Bill and I have a 1962 Motobecane Mobylette. You have made me curious with your description of the front fork. My front fork looks just like a bicycle fork. I would be happy to exchange photos to see the differences of our bikes. I would also like to know where you get parts.
-Bill Metteer

To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N 10-29-97 4:51p
FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net
I changed the subject of this message to make it more relevant. I have taken some pictures of the bike before starting the restoration and will of course take some afterwards. I'll scan a couple and mail them to you.

Right now I'm stuck. I have to get the bike in bits so it can go to the stove enamellers (sp?) for repainting but at the bottom of each of the front forks is some kind of sleeve that won't budge. The local shop even tried heating it but that didn't work. The trouble is that I don't know how to this sleeve is attached it may be screwed on or clipped on, (anbody got a manual for a 1963 mobylette ?) Obviously if I get too rough with it I'll end up breaking it. I'm keeping it coated in oil at the moment in the hope that this will free the rust and then I can ease it off.

I'm looking forward to reassembling the restored parts. This should be the fun part because the bike will be getting more and more like a bike whereas at the moment everything I do makes it look less and less like a bike and more and more like a box of bits.

Regards
Brian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 1997 6:36 AM
> To: Moped Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Help me with parents
> > *************************************************
> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:11:38 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: TOPOjs@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Help me with parents
> > > Sounds like you're doing a very thorough job restoring your bike,
> Brian. Let
> us know how it's going. Any way to give us some pics? Good luck!
>


Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 12:51:53 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: putting a 70CC kit on tomos targa


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:48:23 -0000
> To: > From: brennan@ramlink.net
> Subject: Re: putting a 70CC kit on tomos targa
> > Please advise where you ordered the kit.
> > Thanks, Tony
> > ----------
> > From: daugava@nothnbut.net
> > To: Moped Mailing List > > Subject: putting a 70CC kit on tomos targa
> > Date: Saturday, November 01, 1997 1:07 AM
> > > > *************************************************
> > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:07:51 -0500
> > To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> > From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
> > Subject: putting a 70CC kit on tomos targa
> > > > > > ordered a 70 cc kit and where do you mount the choke lever? on 1996
> > Tomos Targa...thanks..
> > Ordered the kit from a local dealer in Pt.Charlotte..They got it from
their contact in Spartenburg, N>C> who got it from Italy...



Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:21:52 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: TOPOjs@aol.com
Subject: Re: vespa for sale


Don't know if you've licked your problem yet on the Maxi, but I once worked
on a carb whose idle screw didn't affect anything and found that someone had
replaced the real idle screw(tapered end) with just some screw that fit the
hole. You might check it out. It's gotta lift that slider.



Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:41:18 -0500 (EST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: danny@dreamscape.com
Subject: Re: Kinetic moped



On Sat, 1 Nov 1997 brennan@ramlink.net wrote:
> Looks like Cosmopolitan is under-cutting their dealers, by quoting you
> such a low price for a "new" moped. I planned on contacting Cosmopolitan
> about becoming one of their dealers, but seeing your note has changed my
> mind.

That's the same price that Sam's Club had them at, so I'm not so sure
about "under-cutting" dealers. As previously mentioned, Cosmopolitan
actually prefers dealing with places like Sam's, no doubt because they
place big orders and move lots of product. It's not like they're selling
wholesale to the public out the backdoor, give us a freakin' break!

Mopeds are never gonna return to the US in a major way until the retail
price is low enough and Cosmopolitan is meeting a definite need. Mopeds
for $1000+ are plentiful enough at any Honda or Yamaha dealer anyway. It's
not our problem if you can't make a profit at that price, sorry.

~ Danny ~

~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
syracuse ska!! all about scooters!! -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-

> > I talked to Cosmopolitan of Hatboro, PA to get the price of one of their
> > Kinetic mopeds. The price quoted to me was $595.00. Anyone have
> > experience with the brand "Kinetic"? Are they reliable? Cosmo is
> > sending a brochure with basic information.

> > >Cosmo likes to sell to outfits like CostCo and the PriceClub,





Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 01:58:52 +0000
To: From: SPAudette@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Old Honda


At 01:07 AM 11/1/97 +0000, you wrote:
>*************************************************
>Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:11:34 -0500 (EST)
>To: daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: Antung@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Old Honda
> > >10-31-97
> >Please tell me about the details. $75
> >Thanks.
> >Sam
> > > E-Mail me and let me know a little more about it. We can work out shipping
if we like it.



Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 01:06:01 -0600 (CST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject: Crescent moped (fwd)


------------ reply to GK ----------
I am looking for any information on a 1960 Crescent Moped, 49 cc, 3
speed gearbox Made by Nymanbolagen A B Sweden

Any information would be appreciated

thanks
G Kilgour



Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:15:27 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Old Honda


I am in Mansfied, OH. About an hour north of Columbus.
I have this Hobbit, and a PA-50 also. They are nearly identical, built one
year apart.

I am planning to take them along with some other bikes I have to a "vintage"
motorcycle swap meet on 11-9 at Mansfield (richland county) fairgrounds.

Send me an e-mail, and I can give you my Ph#.

Thanks, Scott



Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:25:44 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fw: PA-50 moped


You should be able to find used parts for this bike. I know of one place that
has several of these for parts. I recently got some parts for mine. Call:
B&B Cycle 419-524-6327 ask for Bill or Shawn. Good Luck.





SH



Date: 02 Nov 1997 12:46:17 -0800
To: "DAUGAVA@NOTHNBUT.NET" From: WILMET@SAFECO.com
Subject: shop manual


To COPYTO Addressee List From WILMET (HO) Type N 11-02-97 12:46p
I was browsing for shop manuals and found a factory shop manual for lightweight Italian Harley Davidsons. I did'nt buy it but if anyone needs it I'll go back and get it. The bookstore wants $10.00 for it.
It included everything from the M-50 up to the 350cc models.

-Bill Metteer, Seattle WA



Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:51:05 -0500 (EST)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: puch maxi-luxe problem


I have always prided myself on my (supposed) prowess and fixing my 1977
Puch Maxi-Luxe since I restored it from being stuck in a shed for 15
years. After I fixed it, it ran fine for about 1000 miles, but now I'm
getting a recurring problem that's getting quite annoying. HELP!!!

It starts fine and runs for about 15 minutes and then just konks out. It
doesn't respond to the throttle - kind of sounds like it's not taking in
gas/air at that point. When I stick another plug in (I carry one with me
now), it works fine for about another 15 minutes and then konks out. It is
possible that my engine is overheating, but how? It ran fine all summer
and now it's colder!!!

I have drained the fuel tank and put new gas in, making sure it's the
proper ratio. I also increased the gap in plugs from the recommended 0.016
(in both Clymer and Haynes manuals) to 0.020. I've also cleaned the
carberatour and air cleaner. The engine doesn't have any appreciable
carbon build up. What else have I done? I regreased the wheel bearings and
changed the tires (but that's got nothing to do with the problem). I've
played with the carb jet needle-it was originally on 2, then I changed it
to 4 (the lowest), then I changed it to 1 (the highest-meaning the needle
is the longest length). I changed my throttle cable and changed the
gearbox fluid (using ATF type F) as recommended by CLymer. It's still
konking out on me halfway to school. It's really not a big deal to get off
the bike and change plugs and then spray carb cleaner into the engine-but
I'd rather not have to go through this in the middle of traffic at 8 am.
ANy suggestions?????

HELP ME...........

Michael Liu



Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:30:47 -0000
To: From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: Re: Kinetic moped


If you had ever made an investment in a business and tried to develop a
"loyalty" with a supplier, you wouldn't be so quick to respond so
negatively to my statement about "under-cutting". I have the information
from Kinetic that shows their dealer prices. Do you have this information?
I don't blame anyone for buying one of these mopeds (not a scooter, like
honda and yamaha sells) as cheaply as they can. What are they going to do
when they have a problem, there aren't going to be any dealers around to
help them, if the dealer's aren't allowed to make a resonable proftit. At
the price they quoted you and at the price Sam's was selling them for,
there is no room for a profit to the dealer. As you can see from a lot of
the statements made here, there are a lot of people asking for help, is
Sam's or Comos going to help them?
Most everyone is referred to some type of dealer by the members of this
group.

Tony

----------
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net
> To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Re: Kinetic moped
> Date: Sunday, November 02, 1997 8:46 PM
> > *************************************************
> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:41:18 -0500 (EST)
> To: Moped Mailing List > From: danny@dreamscape.com
> Subject: Re: Kinetic moped
> > > > On Sat, 1 Nov 1997 brennan@ramlink.net wrote:
> > Looks like Cosmopolitan is under-cutting their dealers, by quoting you
> > such a low price for a "new" moped. I planned on contacting
Cosmopolitan
> > about becoming one of their dealers, but seeing your note has changed
my
> > mind.
> > That's the same price that Sam's Club had them at, so I'm not so sure
> about "under-cutting" dealers. As previously mentioned, Cosmopolitan
> actually prefers dealing with places like Sam's, no doubt because they
> place big orders and move lots of product. It's not like they're selling
> wholesale to the public out the backdoor, give us a freakin' break!
> > Mopeds are never gonna return to the US in a major way until the retail
> price is low enough and Cosmopolitan is meeting a definite need. Mopeds
> for $1000+ are plentiful enough at any Honda or Yamaha dealer anyway.
It's
> not our problem if you can't make a profit at that price, sorry.
> > ~ Danny ~
> > ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
> syracuse ska!! > all about scooters!! > -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
> > > > I talked to Cosmopolitan of Hatboro, PA to get the price of one of
their
> > > Kinetic mopeds. The price quoted to me was $595.00. Anyone have
> > > experience with the brand "Kinetic"? Are they reliable? Cosmo is
> > > sending a brochure with basic information.
> > > > >Cosmo likes to sell to outfits like CostCo and the PriceClub,
> > >


Date: 03 Nov 1997 12:20:12 -0800
To: "DAUGAVA@NOTHNBUT.NET" From: WILMET@safeco.com
Subject: HMW Moped


To COPYTO Addressee List From WILMET (HO) Type N 11-03-97 12:20p
..

To COPYTO Addressee List From WILMET (HO) Type N 11-03-97 12:18p
I am trying to establish a year of manufacture for an HMW Moped. It is a 49cc two speed. The tag on the motor reads,

Halleiner Motorenwerk
Akt. Ges. Hallien-Austria

There is a space marked Bauj. 195_ . I will assume the last number was where the manufacturer would stamp in that particular year, but in this case did not.

Are there any vintage moped experts out there?

-Bill Metteer



Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:25:07 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: boyracer1@juno.com
Subject: Re: Old Honda


I'd love to go, but my good friend is throwing a rave on Nov. 8 and I'll
be sleeping all day the 9th.
how much are you asking for your `peds and how well do they run?

Chas
boyracer1@juno.com

On Sun, 02 Nov 1997 12:46:17 -0800 daugava@nothnbut.net writes:
>*************************************************

>I am in Mansfied, OH. About an hour north of Columbus.
>I have this Hobbit, and a PA-50 also. They are nearly identical, built
>one
>year apart.
>I am planning to take them along with some other bikes I have to a
>"vintage"
>motorcycle swap meet on 11-9 at Mansfield (richland county)
>fairgrounds.
> >Send me an e-mail, and I can give you my Ph#.
> >Thanks, Scott
> > >


Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:12:32 -0500
To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
From: libertybell7@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:51:05 -0500 (EST)
> To: Andrei Zaitsev > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
> Subject: puch maxi-luxe problem
> > I have always prided myself on my (supposed) prowess and fixing my 1977
> Puch Maxi-Luxe since I restored it from being stuck in a shed for 15
> years. After I fixed it, it ran fine for about 1000 miles, but now I'm
> getting a recurring problem that's getting quite annoying. HELP!!!
> > It starts fine and runs for about 15 minutes and then just konks out. It
> doesn't respond to the throttle - kind of sounds like it's not taking in
> gas/air at that point. When I stick another plug in (I carry one with me
> now), it works fine for about another 15 minutes and then konks out. It is
> possible that my engine is overheating, but how? It ran fine all summer
> and now it's colder!!!
> > I have drained the fuel tank and put new gas in, making sure it's the
> proper ratio. I also increased the gap in plugs from the recommended 0.016
> (in both Clymer and Haynes manuals) to 0.020. I've also cleaned the
> carberatour and air cleaner. The engine doesn't have any appreciable
> carbon build up. What else have I done? I regreased the wheel bearings and
> changed the tires (but that's got nothing to do with the problem). I've
> played with the carb jet needle-it was originally on 2, then I changed it
> to 4 (the lowest), then I changed it to 1 (the highest-meaning the needle
> is the longest length). I changed my throttle cable and changed the
> gearbox fluid (using ATF type F) as recommended by CLymer. It's still
> konking out on me halfway to school. It's really not a big deal to get off
> the bike and change plugs and then spray carb cleaner into the engine-but
> I'd rather not have to go through this in the middle of traffic at 8 am.
> ANy suggestions?????
> > HELP ME...........
> > Michael Liu


Hi Michael, Try checking the condition of the points and verify that
the point gap is to specs. Sounds like the the timing may be
borderline. Just a guess. Good luck and let us know how it turns out..
Best wishes.. Mike Burch



Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:39:21 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:51:05 -0500 (EST)
> To: Andrei Zaitsev > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
> Subject: puch maxi-luxe problem
> > I have always prided myself on my (supposed) prowess and fixing my 1977
> Puch Maxi-Luxe since I restored it from being stuck in a shed for 15
> years. After I fixed it, it ran fine for about 1000 miles, but now I'm
> getting a recurring problem that's getting quite annoying. HELP!!!
> > It starts fine and runs for about 15 minutes and then just konks out. It
> doesn't respond to the throttle - kind of sounds like it's not taking in
> gas/air at that point. When I stick another plug in (I carry one with me
> now), it works fine for about another 15 minutes and then konks out. It is
> possible that my engine is overheating, but how? It ran fine all summer
> and now it's colder!!!
> > I have drained the fuel tank and put new gas in, making sure it's the
> proper ratio. I also increased the gap in plugs from the recommended 0.016
> (in both Clymer and Haynes manuals) to 0.020. I've also cleaned the
> carberatour and air cleaner. The engine doesn't have any appreciable
> carbon build up. What else have I done? I regreased the wheel bearings and
> changed the tires (but that's got nothing to do with the problem). I've
> played with the carb jet needle-it was originally on 2, then I changed it
> to 4 (the lowest), then I changed it to 1 (the highest-meaning the needle
> is the longest length). I changed my throttle cable and changed the
> gearbox fluid (using ATF type F) as recommended by CLymer. It's still
> konking out on me halfway to school. It's really not a big deal to get off
> the bike and change plugs and then spray carb cleaner into the engine-but
> I'd rather not have to go through this in the middle of traffic at 8 am.
> ANy suggestions?????
> > HELP ME...........
> > Michael Liu
Clean (blow out and/or drill anew) the breathing hole in the tank cap.



Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:01:04 -0500 (EST)
To: From: nimlo@neca.com
Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem


Dear Michael,

Take a look at your fuel cut-off valve. It appears that the seals
swell over time restricting the flow of fuel. Your engine uses the fuel in
the line downstream of the valve, your engine dies, as you replace the plug
the line fills up again allowing you to start the engine, allowing you to
ride for a little while longer until this fuel is used up........a
diabolical cycle. Try placing your cut-off valve in the "reserve" position,
that may be a quick fix

Good luck and let us know how it works out. See if you had gone to Brooklyn
Tech you wouldn't have this problem.

Sincerely from another proud maxi owner,


John







Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:05:13 -0500 (EST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: danny@dreamscape.com
Subject: Re: Kinetic moped



On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 brennan@ramlink.net wrote:

> If you had ever made an investment in a business and tried to develop a
> "loyalty" with a supplier, you wouldn't be so quick to respond so
> negatively to my statement about "under-cutting". I have the information
> from Kinetic that shows their dealer prices. Do you have this
> information? I don't blame anyone for buying one of these mopeds (not a
> scooter, like honda and yamaha sells) as cheaply as they can. What are
> they going to do when they have a problem, there aren't going to be any
> dealers around to help them, if the dealer's aren't allowed to make a
> resonable proftit. At the price they quoted you and at the price Sam's
> was selling them for, there is no room for a profit to the dealer. As
> you can see from a lot of the statements made here, there are a lot of
> people asking for help, is Sam's or Comos going to help them? Most
> everyone is referred to some type of dealer by the members of this
> group.

I certainly hear what you're saying, but still disagree. This is a
rock-bottom cheap moped. It's being sold strictly on price. If you bring
the price up to dealer level, it's not worth buying IMHO. Should it be
sold at that level, it doesn't compete well with better built brands, like
Tomos or Jawa. These are consumer trade-offs that everyone gets to
decide. If they breakdown too quickly, then yes, I'd expect Sam's to get
involved. I seriously doubt many would buy them directly from Cosmos,
because the shipping would be too costly and people don't like buying them
sight unseen anyway. We need dealers, but we also need really cheap
mopeds. And if these Kinetic mopeds breakdown and Sam's won't service
them, guess what??? Yeah, that's right ... they'll show up as a customer
at your moped shop anyway!! And if they're really junk, you'll sell them
something else. There is nothing new about all this.

~ Danny ~

~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
syracuse ska!! all about scooters!! -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-



Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:17:32 +0100
To: From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem




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| Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
| Aan: Moped Mailing List | Onderwerp: puch maxi-luxe problem
| Datum: maandag 3 november 1997 15:51
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:51:05 -0500 (EST)
| To: Andrei Zaitsev | From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
| Subject: puch maxi-luxe problem
|
|
| I have always prided myself on my (supposed) prowess and fixing my 1977
| Puch Maxi-Luxe since I restored it from being stuck in a shed for 15
| years. After I fixed it, it ran fine for about 1000 miles, but now I'm
| getting a recurring problem that's getting quite annoying. HELP!!!
|
| It starts fine and runs for about 15 minutes and then just konks out. It
| doesn't respond to the throttle - kind of sounds like it's not taking in
| gas/air at that point. When I stick another plug in (I carry one with me
| now), it works fine for about another 15 minutes and then konks out. It
is
| possible that my engine is overheating, but how? It ran fine all summer
| and now it's colder!!!
|
| I have drained the fuel tank and put new gas in, making sure it's the
| proper ratio. I also increased the gap in plugs from the recommended
0.016
| (in both Clymer and Haynes manuals) to 0.020. I've also cleaned the
| carberatour and air cleaner. The engine doesn't have any appreciable
| carbon build up. What else have I done? I regreased the wheel bearings
and
| changed the tires (but that's got nothing to do with the problem). I've
| played with the carb jet needle-it was originally on 2, then I changed it
| to 4 (the lowest), then I changed it to 1 (the highest-meaning the needle
| is the longest length). I changed my throttle cable and changed the
| gearbox fluid (using ATF type F) as recommended by CLymer. It's still
| konking out on me halfway to school. It's really not a big deal to get
off
| the bike and change plugs and then spray carb cleaner into the engine-but
| I'd rather not have to go through this in the middle of traffic at 8 am.
| ANy suggestions?????
|
| HELP ME...........
|
| Michael Liu
|
|
HI Michael,
You've got the right spirit to drive , as we can read, so dig deep and go
to the mopeteers best friends... logic and deduction. Moped=fuel+
ignition+cylinder+exhaust+some extras, not worth mentioning.
over heating causes 'to' good running of the engine, not dieing out
1-fuel -new- carb functioning -untill problem- no change here - driving
again- (NO problem here)
2-ignition --possible problem go on to it further
3-cylinder, when driving ,no bad performance mentioned, so no problem here
4-exhaust, not mentioned, could also be the big bug, de-carbon job advised,
as precaution.

2 ignition:
- sparkplug (could be the wrong type aplied?) or 2 bad plugs?
-cable leaking current... (only when in wet surr.)
-coil: could be not likely
-capacitor: same here
-points: and here
- maybe some el. unit (Naaah)


So best tip, check exhaust.....

running with tight pipe... slowly poisioning the combustion process...
change plug, fresh gas in cylinder, while changing plug, pressure in pipe
down, start , ok and the process starts over again...

Bye, Peter.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Email : staal@concepts.nl
Homepages:
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7858
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:25:58 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ASprayberr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kinetic moped


I'm not going to generalize but I have a quinqo scooter made by the hongying
company. I bought it though a suzuki dealer and lets face facts. I am not
getting support from my dealer mainly because, their service manual is an
owners manual, what I have.
Now my kawasaki's, all of them, I have good support from them.
what I am saying is this, i like the kinetic, BUT if your dealer can't get
what you need from the importer, it really doesn't matter where you buy it.
Spare parts come to us ( dealer and owner) from the importer. If they can't
get what you need, then dealer or not, it isn't a big help.
Now I am not going to say that a dealer doesn't have the right to make a
profit, by no means am I saying that. What I am saying is this, dealer, what
kind of support will the importer give you? If they will give you good
support and you will stand behind the product, then I have no problem paying
a bit more for the bike. If you can't or won't, forget it, I'll get it (the
bike) where ever I can cheapest.
discamer:
This is strictly an opinion, this opinion is not nessecarly the opinion of
this newsgroup or it's monitor.;-)



Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:48:04 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: PMeyer3191@aol.com
Subject: Foxi GT 1977


First of all, "subscribe moped". Secondly, I am fairly new to this web
surfing stuff and really new to this moped (old) stuff. I just bought a 1977
Foxi GT moped at an estate auction. It looks to be in great shape but as it
has been stored in a barn, the fuel in the bottom of the tank has turned to
varnish. I think my other half can clean the tank and carb but I am looking
for a source for a replacement fuel valve. Where is the best place to search
on the web.

I contacted the local cycle shops and they all just scratched their heads
(small town). One did say that he thought that the Sachs engine was Austrian
made. Would there be another model that is compatible or should I check one
of those European cycle places listed on the internet? I'd prefer something
more local (continental US or Canada). Any information you can give to a
novice like me would be greatly appreciated! PMeyer3191@aol.com



Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 15:43:30 -0500 (EST)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: maxi-luxe 77 problems


Woh!!!

Wotta response. Man, you guys know your stuff. Lots of stuff to try. Thank
you all.

ANyway, the moped is dead downstairs. I'm upstairs at school. The moped
made it to school fine, and now it won't start up at all-new plug or not.
It's just an extension of the previous problem. The throttle just doesn't
let the engine turn over on its own and go. It still turns over and
actually quite well when I remove the plug and engage the clutch and
pedal. However, I called a friend who has a jeep and will give me and my
PUCH (it's girl) a ride home and I'm going to try all of the suggestions
tonight. All of them sound great. But, I've already checked to make sure
the petcock is OK so it's not the fuel shutoff (as we Americans say)
valve.

It's gonna be working. If not, I'll just order a new thing from Andover.

By the way-has anybody tried their performance kits on a PUCH? I noticed
that in addition to new engine parts, it comes with an AMAL carb and not a
BING. Any thoughts on this???

See you guys on the road (not here in Long Island though).

Michael Liu



Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:01:51 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: supton@eece.maine.edu
Subject: Fuel leakage


I bought a moped this summer; its an obscure brand (Demm), but it has
some sort of Italian roots; have to read the tag again. My problem is
that it leaks fuel like crazy! When I park it, gas flows out of the air
box, and onto the engine, and onto the ground... wasting large amount of
my fuel. (If had money to burn on gas like this, I would have bought a
car in the first place!) I've taken the carb off twice and cleaned it
out thourougly; no junk in it. Needle and float don't appear to be
sticky, yet that seems to be the problem. The needle itself is one of
those rubber tipped ones; how should that look? Could it be worn and
not seating well? If so, how can I get one? It's a Dellorto carb.

Also, what are common mopeds here in the states? I like riding my
moped, but when this one dies (not sure if I want that to happen too
soon, but when it goes, onto better?) I would like to get one that has,
say, a transmission? Something with 3 or 4 gears, so I can accelerate
from a stoplight and go up hills (I know, I know, its a moped) and still
have decent top end. My machine has one speed, which is good for a
middle gear, but it flat sucks going up hills, and taking off from
lights. More speed would be nice, but not the biggest consideration.

Shawn Upton
mail: supton@eece.maine.edu



Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:15:55 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Targa Exhaust


Is there any harm in running a moped with the exaust loose? I believe that
the Biturbo pipe on my Targa LX is rather loose, because the exaust note has
gotten slightly louder and has developed more of a "roar". It is not
excessively loud, just moreso than before. The reason it think it's loose
vs. "holey" it that on sharp bumps the exaust note gets louder for a split
second as the 'ped drives over the bump.



Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:36:09 -0500 (EST)
To: <199711050253.UAA25136@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: Fuel leakage


The fuel shutoff valve (petcock) should be able to cut off the supply
before the carb (air filter and all). Mopeds marketed for the USA must
have one of these with three positions (on-off-reserve) and I think
there's even a law in some states that specifies which way the switch must
face in what position.

CHeck and see if it is actually leaking out of the filter and carb and not
AROUND the outside of the filter and carb. If the latter is the case,
check the fuel supply line going from the petcock to the carb-it may not
be tight and you may need a new one - or better yet, get a rubber hose and
secure it at both ends with clamps.

Good luck.

Michael Liu

On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:01:51 -0500
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: supton@eece.maine.edu
> Subject: Fuel leakage
> > > I bought a moped this summer; its an obscure brand (Demm), but it has
> some sort of Italian roots; have to read the tag again. My problem is
> that it leaks fuel like crazy! When I park it, gas flows out of the air
> box, and onto the engine, and onto the ground... wasting large amount of
> my fuel. (If had money to burn on gas like this, I would have bought a
> car in the first place!) I've taken the carb off twice and cleaned it
> out thourougly; no junk in it. Needle and float don't appear to be
> sticky, yet that seems to be the problem. The needle itself is one of
> those rubber tipped ones; how should that look? Could it be worn and
> not seating well? If so, how can I get one? It's a Dellorto carb.
> > Also, what are common mopeds here in the states? I like riding my
> moped, but when this one dies (not sure if I want that to happen too
> soon, but when it goes, onto better?) I would like to get one that has,
> say, a transmission? Something with 3 or 4 gears, so I can accelerate
> from a stoplight and go up hills (I know, I know, its a moped) and still
> have decent top end. My machine has one speed, which is good for a
> middle gear, but it flat sucks going up hills, and taking off from
> lights. More speed would be nice, but not the biggest consideration.
> > Shawn Upton
> mail: supton@eece.maine.edu
> > >


Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 15:34:44
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: drstupid@usa.net
Subject: Speedometer???


Ok, a couple days a go I was riding my puch maxi at night and the headlight
burnt out...As a result, the tail light and the speedometer also ceased to
work (because of a break in the curcuit)...I just replace the headlight and
now the tail light works, but the speedometer still does not work
at all...I checked all the connections and they are golden, but the
speedometer still doesn't function...Is there any solution?? How do I open
the speedometer to check if anything looks wrong??? Any suggestions would be
greatly appreciated..
Thanks,
Dan
btw-Does an amal carb do anything for a stock puch??? Is it only for ones
with piston kits??


Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:44:41 -0500
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: Re: HMW Moped


> Halleiner Motorenwerk
> Akt. Ges. Hallien-Austria

Aktiengesellschaft = joint-stock company

> There is a space marked Bauj. 195_ . I will assume the last number
> was where the manufacturer would stamp in that particular year, but in
> this case did not.

you assumed correctly - that means "baujahr"

> Are there any vintage moped experts out there?

this is odd.
as an ex-kraut moped rocker i'm ashamed to say i've never heard of hmw.
if i saw one i may be able to tell if another bike "evolved" from them,
i.e. if hmw sold their product line to someone else. hmw likely produced
things other than mopeds as well; you don't generally turn to the stock
market to build a few peds. i'll call some old bud's and see if they
know anything.
the bike itself probably has an interesting history.



Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:11:46 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: supton@eece.maine.edu
Subject: Re: Fuel leakage


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:36:09 -0500 (EST)
> To: <199711050253.UAA25136@mail.valuenet.net> > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
> Subject: Re: Fuel leakage
> > The fuel shutoff valve (petcock) should be able to cut off the supply
> before the carb (air filter and all). Mopeds marketed for the USA must
> have one of these with three positions (on-off-reserve) and I think
> there's even a law in some states that specifies which way the switch must
> face in what position.
> > CHeck and see if it is actually leaking out of the filter and carb and not
> AROUND the outside of the filter and carb. If the latter is the case,
> check the fuel supply line going from the petcock to the carb-it may not
> be tight and you may need a new one - or better yet, get a rubber hose and
> secure it at both ends with clamps.
> > Good luck.
> > Michael Liu
I'd check the fuel shut-off, but there isn't one! All there is a brass
fitting that has a hose on it. It may be leaking, but it is hard to
seal: I tried to put radiator hose clamps (the smallest ones I could
find), and they seemed to hold, but there is no shut off on the tank.

Shawn Upton



Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:26:58 +0100
To: From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem




----------
| Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
| Aan: Moped Mailing List | Onderwerp: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem
| Datum: dinsdag 4 november 1997 20:26
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:39:21 -0500
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: paltron@interlog.com
| Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem
|
|
| daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
| > | > *************************************************
| > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:51:05 -0500 (EST)
| > To: Andrei Zaitsev | > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
| > Subject: puch maxi-luxe problem
| > | > I have always prided myself on my (supposed) prowess and fixing my 1977
| > Puch Maxi-Luxe since I restored it from being stuck in a shed for 15
| > years. After I fixed it, it ran fine for about 1000 miles, but now I'm
| > getting a recurring problem that's getting quite annoying. HELP!!!
| > | > It starts fine and runs for about 15 minutes and then just konks out.
It
| > doesn't respond to the throttle - kind of sounds like it's not taking
in
| > gas/air at that point. When I stick another plug in (I carry one with
me
| > now), it works fine for about another 15 minutes and then konks out. It
is
| > possible that my engine is overheating, but how? It ran fine all summer
| > and now it's colder!!!
| > | > I have drained the fuel tank and put new gas in, making sure it's the
| > proper ratio. I also increased the gap in plugs from the recommended
0.016
| > (in both Clymer and Haynes manuals) to 0.020. I've also cleaned the
| > carberatour and air cleaner. The engine doesn't have any appreciable
| > carbon build up. What else have I done? I regreased the wheel bearings
and
| > changed the tires (but that's got nothing to do with the problem). I've
| > played with the carb jet needle-it was originally on 2, then I changed
it
| > to 4 (the lowest), then I changed it to 1 (the highest-meaning the
needle
| > is the longest length). I changed my throttle cable and changed the
| > gearbox fluid (using ATF type F) as recommended by CLymer. It's still
| > konking out on me halfway to school. It's really not a big deal to get
off
| > the bike and change plugs and then spray carb cleaner into the
engine-but
| > I'd rather not have to go through this in the middle of traffic at 8
am.
| > ANy suggestions?????
| > | > HELP ME...........
| > | > Michael Liu
| Clean (blow out and/or drill anew) the breathing hole in the tank cap.

Ha , that's could be the one, Paul.
Peter.
|
|



Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:44:21 -0000
To: From: 6828t@bright.net
Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem


You mite try checking you coil. sounds like it could be braking down

----------
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net
> To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem
> Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 7:26 PM
> > *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:12:32 -0500
> To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
> From: libertybell7@earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: puch maxi-luxe problem
> > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > > > *************************************************
> > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:51:05 -0500 (EST)
> > To: Andrei Zaitsev > > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
> > Subject: puch maxi-luxe problem
> > > > I have always prided myself on my (supposed) prowess and fixing my 1977
> > Puch Maxi-Luxe since I restored it from being stuck in a shed for 15
> > years. After I fixed it, it ran fine for about 1000 miles, but now I'm
> > getting a recurring problem that's getting quite annoying. HELP!!!
> > > > It starts fine and runs for about 15 minutes and then just konks out.
It
> > doesn't respond to the throttle - kind of sounds like it's not taking
in
> > gas/air at that point. When I stick another plug in (I carry one with
me
> > now), it works fine for about another 15 minutes and then konks out. It
is
> > possible that my engine is overheating, but how? It ran fine all summer
> > and now it's colder!!!
> > > > I have drained the fuel tank and put new gas in, making sure it's the
> > proper ratio. I also increased the gap in plugs from the recommended
0.016
> > (in both Clymer and Haynes manuals) to 0.020. I've also cleaned the
> > carberatour and air cleaner. The engine doesn't have any appreciable
> > carbon build up. What else have I done? I regreased the wheel bearings
and
> > changed the tires (but that's got nothing to do with the problem). I've
> > played with the carb jet needle-it was originally on 2, then I changed
it
> > to 4 (the lowest), then I changed it to 1 (the highest-meaning the
needle
> > is the longest length). I changed my throttle cable and changed the
> > gearbox fluid (using ATF type F) as recommended by CLymer. It's still
> > konking out on me halfway to school. It's really not a big deal to get
off
> > the bike and change plugs and then spray carb cleaner into the
engine-but
> > I'd rather not have to go through this in the middle of traffic at 8
am.
> > ANy suggestions?????
> > > > HELP ME...........
> > > > Michael Liu
> > > Hi Michael, Try checking the condition of the points and verify that
> the point gap is to specs. Sounds like the the timing may be
> borderline. Just a guess. Good luck and let us know how it turns out..
> Best wishes.. Mike Burch
> >


Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:18:11 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Derbi SL 50cc HELP


I would like to know if you can help me diagnose a few problems with my '84
Derbi.

When you try to start it, it requires ALOT of muscle to get it wound up, even
before the engine starts turning!
I took the engine apart, and didnt see anything out of the ordinary ( NO
Manual !)
and re-assembled. Now it requires the same amount of force to wind it up, but
the engine doesnt revolve ( usually). What a bummer!
Any one know where I could get a manual, or even some photocopys?
If you are a Derbi 50cc specialists, or, even know enough to be dangerous,
I would appreciate hearing from you.

Thanks Scott



Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:43:33 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Old Honda


I have 2 Honda mopeds. They both run, are red and white in color.

One of them has a slight running problem right now. it will idle fine, but
doesnt want to take the gas when you throttle it. I'm sure a carb cleaning
will fix it, as it idles perfectly.

I would take $250 for both of them today.

Scott



Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:58:05 -0000
To: From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: Re: Kinetic moped


I couldn't agree more. I bought two of Kasea's 50cc ATV. I had problem
after problem with the one I sold. I had to use so many of the parts from
the second one to keep the sold one going, that I no longer could offer the
second one for sale. After three months Kasea had not sent the parts I
needed, so I packed it up and returned it to them. Now after three more
months I have not received my refund. I also bought a bike from Megabike
(Traxx). After several months and several requests, I still don't have a
complete motorcycle to sell. You are correct, the dealer can't be any
better than his/her suppliers. I would be very nervous about becoming a
Kinetic dealer.

Tony

----------
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net
> To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Re: Kinetic moped
> Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 7:26 PM
> > *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:25:58 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: ASprayberr@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Kinetic moped
> > > I'm not going to generalize but I have a quinqo scooter made by the
hongying
> company. I bought it though a suzuki dealer and lets face facts. I am not
> getting support from my dealer mainly because, their service manual is an
> owners manual, what I have.
> Now my kawasaki's, all of them, I have good support from them.
> what I am saying is this, i like the kinetic, BUT if your dealer can't
get
> what you need from the importer, it really doesn't matter where you buy
it.
> Spare parts come to us ( dealer and owner) from the importer. If they
can't
> get what you need, then dealer or not, it isn't a big help.
> Now I am not going to say that a dealer doesn't have the right to make a
> profit, by no means am I saying that. What I am saying is this, dealer,
what
> kind of support will the importer give you? If they will give you good
> support and you will stand behind the product, then I have no problem
paying
> a bit more for the bike. If you can't or won't, forget it, I'll get it
(the
> bike) where ever I can cheapest.
> discamer:
> This is strictly an opinion, this opinion is not nessecarly the opinion
of
> this newsgroup or it's monitor.;-)
>


Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:36:52 -0500
To: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:15:55 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: AaronM428@aol.com
> Subject: Targa Exhaust
> > Is there any harm in running a moped with the exaust loose? I believe that
> the Biturbo pipe on my Targa LX is rather loose, because the exaust note has
> gotten slightly louder and has developed more of a "roar". It is not
> excessively loud, just moreso than before. The reason it think it's loose
> vs. "holey" it that on sharp bumps the exaust note gets louder for a split
> second as the 'ped drives over the bump.
my boyfriend tim has a targa lx and he sugguests that you just tighten
it up and it should be fine....take care..and enjoy



Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:31:57 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: browncrew@juno.com
Subject: Re: Kinetic


There is another brand available in NYC for $550 or so still in the box.
It is the Testi. They are supposedly a good brand.

Keith


Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:01:24
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: drstupid@usa.net
Subject: Ciao??


Where can I buy the 30th anniversary piaggio vespa ciao???
Thanks a lot,
Dan

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:05:48 -0600
To: "Mailing List" From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject: Interesting link - Moped Business for sale


Check this out: http://www.relocatable.com/5-23-97.htm
They talk about importer of cheap mopeds, who wants to sell his business.
Unfortunately, there is no contact info (at least not in the online
version),
but the reading is very interesting.

Andrew




Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:40:08 +0100
To: From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: HMW Moped


Hello Bill, fellow mopedeers,
At 14:26 4-11-97 -0500, you wrote:
>*************************************************
>Date: 03 Nov 1997 12:20:12 -0800
>To: "DAUGAVA@NOTHNBUT.NET" >From: WILMET@safeco.com
>Subject: HMW Moped

>I am trying to establish a year of manufacture for an HMW Moped.
>Halleiner Motorenwerk
>Akt. Ges. Hallien-Austria
>There is a space marked Bauj. 195_ . I will assume the last number was
where the manufacturer would stamp in that particular year, but in this
case did not.

>Are there any vintage moped experts out there?

This information is not enough for an expert to establish the date of
manufacture..
Do you have a picture of this moped which you could e-mail?
I do have some info on these mopeds (Dutch workshop manuals and parts-list)
and I would scan some pictures for you to see if it's the same moped we're
talking about, but my scanner refuses to work with Windoze 95. (anybody got
Win95 software for a Logitech 256 handheld?)

But we can try and determine what type it is on descriptions too;
Does it have any gears?
How about the frame and forks, does it have any suspension at all?
What colour is the paint on the moped (only original paint of course)
What is exactly stamped in the type-plate on the engine? Something like
50ZT or ET1 or 50N....


Cheers,



Hans Hartman



Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:05:21 -0500 (EST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: danny@dreamscape.com
Subject: Re: Kinetic moped



On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 brennan@ramlink.net wrote:
> I couldn't agree more. I bought two of Kasea's 50cc ATV. I had problem
> after problem with the one I sold. I had to use so many of the parts
> from the second one to keep the sold one going, that I no longer could
> offer the second one for sale. After three months Kasea had not sent
> the parts I needed, so I packed it up and returned it to them. Now
> after three more months I have not received my refund. I also bought a
> bike from Megabike (Traxx). After several months and several requests, I
> still don't have a complete motorcycle to sell. You are correct, the
> dealer can't be any better than his/her suppliers. I would be very
> nervous about becoming a Kinetic dealer.

Very much agree and am surprised that not everyone realizes this. A
strong dealer network that has a reliable source of parts and supplies is
critical to keeping any vehicle on the road. While I admire the
pioneering souls who are the first to buy something, I'd much prefer
myself to wait and see if they stick around and how reliable the product
is. There have been an incredible number of moped makes sold at one time
or another in the US and an amazing number of people trying to hunt down
parts for obscure brands.

~ Danny ~

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syracuse ska!! all about scooters!! -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-



Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:09:03 -0500 (EST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: danny@dreamscape.com
Subject: Re: Ciao??



On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 drstupid@usa.net wrote:

> Where can I buy the 30th anniversary piaggio vespa ciao???

For starters, I'd ask Vespa Supershop in San Diego -- the best place in
the US for Vespa/Piaggio moped anything. If they don't have them, they
should certainly know who does.

~ Danny ~

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syracuse ska!! all about scooters!! -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-



Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 05:15:18 -0500 (EST)
To: Danny From: danny@dreamscape.com
Subject: Re: Kinetic moped



On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 ASprayberr@aol.com wrote:
> I'm not going to generalize but I have a quinqo scooter made by the
> hongying company. I bought it though a suzuki dealer and lets face
> facts. I am not getting support from my dealer mainly because, their
> service manual is an owners manual, what I have.

Better known as Kasea, it uses a Suzuki engine and transmission, though I
seriously doubt Suzuki wants to be responsible for repairing them.

> Now my kawasaki's, all of them, I have good support from them. what I
> am saying is this, i like the kinetic, BUT if your dealer can't get what
> you need from the importer, it really doesn't matter where you buy it.
> Spare parts come to us ( dealer and owner) from the importer. If they
> can't get what you need, then dealer or not, it isn't a big help. Now I
> am not going to say that a dealer doesn't have the right to make a
> profit, by no means am I saying that. What I am saying is this, dealer,
> what kind of support will the importer give you? If they will give you
> good support and you will stand behind the product, then I have no
> problem paying a bit more for the bike. If you can't or won't, forget
> it, I'll get it (the bike) where ever I can cheapest.

That's why buying obscure makes is so dicey. Look how many posts there
are for people struggling to find parts for companies with no American
presence. The sad thing is, most people don't think about such things
until they already have a problem.

~ Danny ~

~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
syracuse ska!! all about scooters!! -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-




Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:09:58 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Ciao??


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:01:24
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: drstupid@usa.net
> Subject: Ciao??
> > Where can I buy the 30th anniversary piaggio vespa ciao???
> Thanks a lot,
> Dan
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com
Italy and if you are lucky enough not to be subjected to Canadian
restrictions, you might even be able to bring it back home.
It's nothing special by the way, no shocks in the back and quite hard to
ride. If you are ogling a really nice Piaggio moped, go for the Si Mix,
all dressed up (with oil pump). Just a suggestion...



Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:18:58 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Interesting link - Moped Business for sale


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:05:48 -0600
> To: "Mailing List" > From: daugava@inlink.com
> Subject: Interesting link - Moped Business for sale
> > Check this out: http://www.relocatable.com/5-23-97.htm
> They talk about importer of cheap mopeds, who wants to sell his business.
> Unfortunately, there is no contact info (at least not in the online
> version),
> but the reading is very interesting.
> > Andrew
I read it and it could easily be the Kinetic importer, Cosmopolitan (the
age of the principal is just about right on with the article's
description). The bike referred to in there as a 125 lbs moped also
sounds like the Magnum or it must be something very similar. The only
other I can imagine would be also from India, called Majestic that
pursued this "low cost - large volume" marketing idea. They belong to
the same industrial group as Hero that makes pedal-less Puch mopeds
among other things.
Would be interesting to find out.



Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:20:47 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Old Honda


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:43:33 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Huvz@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Old Honda
> > I have 2 Honda mopeds. They both run, are red and white in color.
> > One of them has a slight running problem right now. it will idle fine, but
> doesnt want to take the gas when you throttle it. I'm sure a carb cleaning
> will fix it, as it idles perfectly.
> > I would take $250 for both of them today.
> > Scott
Exact types, Scott? Pc-50 and/or PA 50?



Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:44:52 -0000
To: From: 6828t@bright.net
Subject: Re: Derbi SL 50cc HELP


Hey Scott now I know where you get your info from . That old one I got from
you has the same thing, it was the rear wheel
Thanks
Bob

----------
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net
> To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Derbi SL 50cc HELP
> Date: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 2:18 AM
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:18:11 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Huvz@aol.com
> Subject: Derbi SL 50cc HELP
> > > I would like to know if you can help me diagnose a few problems with my
'84
> Derbi.
> > When you try to start it, it requires ALOT of muscle to get it wound up,
even
> before the engine starts turning!
> I took the engine apart, and didnt see anything out of the ordinary (
NO
> Manual !)
> and re-assembled. Now it requires the same amount of force to wind it up,
but
> the engine doesnt revolve ( usually). What a bummer!
> Any one know where I could get a manual, or even some photocopys?
> If you are a Derbi 50cc specialists, or, even know enough to be
dangerous,
> I would appreciate hearing from you.
> > Thanks Scott
> >


Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:11:35 -0000
To: From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: Re: Old Honda


Scott, I would be interested in buying both of your mopeds. Please email
or call me with description of each, year, model, condition, etc. I also
need to know where you are located.

Thanks, Tony
Phone: 614-533-2266

----------
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net
> To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Re: Old Honda
> Date: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 3:31 AM
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:43:33 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Huvz@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Old Honda
> > > I have 2 Honda mopeds. They both run, are red and white in color.
> > One of them has a slight running problem right now. it will idle fine,
but
> doesnt want to take the gas when you throttle it. I'm sure a carb
cleaning
> will fix it, as it idles perfectly.
> > I would take $250 for both of them today.
> > Scott
>


Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:49:46 -0000
To: From: 6828t@bright.net
Subject: AMF Mopped


Where can I get parts for the AMF. The ignition system is out of it
everything else is working on it. It is a nice looking ped. It has the
McCulloch engine on it.Will McCulloch have parts or do I go to the Harley?
It is a Roadmaster model 400612d Any info will help

Thankyou

Bob



Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:42:56 -0700
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: rose@ChronologicSystems.com
Subject: Mopeds on bike paths


Is it legal to use a moped on a bike path if you are pedalling? What
mopeds (if any) are best suited for this? I am looking for a cross over
machine. Calgary has an excellent path system but I live too far from
work to commute by bicycle. Something I could peddle on the paths when
it is flat and then switch to the motor (on the road) when it gets hilly
or I get tired. Any thoughts?



Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:20:33 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Dashaun84@aol.com
Subject: Re: Old Honda


OK I live in Hillside New Jersey.I can give you $50 and pay for the S&H for
either of your mopeds as long as it runs

Do you have any scooters



Date: 05 Nov 1997 12:47:52 -0800
To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" From: WILMET@SAFECO.com
Subject: Mopeds on bike paths


To @REPLY I asked a retired police officer that I know here in Seattle and he told me it is technically illegal, however if you point out that the engine is cold he probably won't give you a ticket. He can give you a ticket if he wants to, so I thought I would avoid that one and stay off the bike path.
Bill Metteer. Seattle WA

To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N 11-05-97 12:13p
FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net
*************************************************
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:42:56 -0700
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: rose@ChronologicSystems.com
Subject: Mopeds on bike paths

Is it legal to use a moped on a bike path if you are pedalling? What mopeds (if any) are best suited for this? I am looking for a cross over machine. Calgary has an excellent path system but I live too far from work to commute by bicycle. Something I could peddle on the paths when it is flat and then switch to the motor (on the road) when it gets hilly or I get tired. Any thoughts?



Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:30:21 -0600
To: "Mailing List" From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject: Tomos article


The other day I received Tomos brochure from Andover Cycles (thanks,
Lance!).
I learned that in June 97 issue of Motorcycle Product News there's
Tomos Targa LX on the cover and inside they have an article called "Mopeds
& scooters -
who's really buying them ?". So far, I only seen the cover page, but I
contacted
the publisher and ordered the back issue.

Andrew



Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:34:58 -0500 (EST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: manttila@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths



|| > Is it legal to use a moped on a bike path if you are pedalling? What
||
|| I asked a retired police officer that I know here in Seattle and he
|| told me it is technically illegal, however if you point out that the
|| engine is cold he probably won't give you a ticket. He can give you a
|| ticket if he wants to, so I thought I would avoid that one and stay off
|| the bike path.

Well, that may be the law in Washington, but what about Alberta? Does
anyone know the law regarding this in Ontario? On my route to work I shut
off my engine and pedal across a pedestrian/bicycle overpass over the
Queensway, and I wouldn't mind knowing if it's legal or not.

At least, I hope bicycles are allowed on that overpass... Hmmm...

-Mike
___________________________________________________________
Michael Anttila aka PsychoMan of Craw Productions
3A Pure Math / Computer Science at U. of Waterloo, Canada
E-Mail: manttila@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
Homepage: http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~manttila/
Craw Productions: craw@magi.com, http://www.magi.com/~craw/



Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:02:34
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: drstupid@usa.net
Subject: Re: [Re: Ciao??]


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
>> *************************************************
>> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:09:58 -0500
>> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
>> From: paltron@interlog.com
>> Subject: Re: Ciao??
>> >> >> daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
>> > >> > *************************************************
>> > Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:01:24
>> > To: daugava@nothnbut.net
>> > From: drstupid@usa.net
>> > Subject: Ciao??
>> > >> > Where can I buy the 30th anniversary piaggio vespa ciao???
>> > Thanks a lot,
>> > Dan
>> > >> > ____________________________________________________________________
>> > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com
>> Italy and if you are lucky enough not to be subjected to Canadian
>> restrictions, you might even be able to bring it back home.
>> It's nothing special by the way, no shocks in the back and quite hard to
>> ride. If you are ogling a really nice Piaggio moped, go for the Si Mix,
>> all dressed up (with oil pump). Just a suggestion...
>>
Well all I know is that my friends late 70s ciao is the best moped I've ever had the privilage to ride..Where might I be able to get a Si Mix? (I know its really similar to to ciao, I've seen em' before)...
Thanks a lot,
Dan

____________________________________________________________________
Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com



Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:05:46 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Gokartridr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fuel leakage


try checking the fuel line for leaks or if it has dried or cracked



Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:51:32 -0500 (EST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: danny@dreamscape.com
Subject: Re: Interesting link - Moped Business for sale



On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 paltron@interlog.com wrote:

> > Check this out: http://www.relocatable.com/5-23-97.htm
> > They talk about importer of cheap mopeds, who wants to sell his business.
> > Unfortunately, there is no contact info (at least not in the online
> > version), but the reading is very interesting.

> I read it and it could easily be the Kinetic importer, Cosmopolitan

Just read it and am very convinced that it IS Cosmopolitan Motors for
sale. Fits them in every way ... just started selling a low-cost moped
through major merchandisers, looking to sell a 50cc scooter soon, been in
business for 50 years, sells bicycles and parts. Yep, that's them.

~ Danny ~

~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 18:10:29 -0500
To: paltron@interlog.com
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:42:56 -0700
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: rose@ChronologicSystems.com
> Subject: Mopeds on bike paths
> > Is it legal to use a moped on a bike path if you are pedalling? What
> mopeds (if any) are best suited for this? I am looking for a cross over
> machine. Calgary has an excellent path system but I live too far from
> work to commute by bicycle. Something I could peddle on the paths when
> it is flat and then switch to the motor (on the road) when it gets hilly
> or I get tired. Any thoughts?
I would wholeheartedly suggest that you try pedalling a moped first..
Iy's not that easy and on many models the pedals are just an ornament



Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:51:17 -0800 (PST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: dgwood@pacifier.com
Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths



How about something like a Solex or Whizzer- an engine that attaches to
your bicycle? They don't perform as well as a moped but your bicycle will
be a better bicycle for pedaling than a moped would. The cost would be
less also and you'd get less hassle on the bike path. There are also
elctric motored bicycles like the EV Warrior. They are intended to be a
bicycle with an auxiliary motor for going up hills or taking a break from
pedaling.

-Dave

On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:42:56 -0700
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: rose@ChronologicSystems.com
> Subject: Mopeds on bike paths
> > > Is it legal to use a moped on a bike path if you are pedalling? What
> mopeds (if any) are best suited for this? I am looking for a cross over
> machine. Calgary has an excellent path system but I live too far from
> work to commute by bicycle. Something I could peddle on the paths when
> it is flat and then switch to the motor (on the road) when it gets hilly
> or I get tired. Any thoughts?
> > >


Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:54:52 -0800 (PST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: dgwood@pacifier.com
Subject: Re: AMF Mopped



If my attempts to get Aermacci made Harley parts from Harley are any
indication, you're way better off with McCulloch.

-Dave

> > > Where can I get parts for the AMF. The ignition system is out of it
> everything else is working on it. It is a nice looking ped. It has the
> McCulloch engine on it.Will McCulloch have parts or do I go to the Harley?
> It is a Roadmaster model 400612d Any info will help
> > Thankyou
> > Bob
> > >


Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:57:52 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: SPETSANTI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tomos article


andrew
You have a broshure on TOMOS ! that's cool I would appreciate it if you
could send me the address and phone # and e-mail address for that dealer I
have a '79 tomos I bought for my son and the silly thing quit running (no
fire to the points) and I need to find a shop manual for it ........Please
help



Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:59:09 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: CrUsHeR78@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths


First of all the gear ratio on the pedaling system of a moped is so low that
you will be pedaling extremly fast and barely moving. The pedals are mostly
just for starting the moped. If you get caught by the cops just tell them
you didn't know. They won't give you a ticket.



Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:01:00 -0800 (PST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: dgwood@pacifier.com
Subject: Re: Interesting link - Moped Business for sale


> > Just read it and am very convinced that it IS Cosmopolitan Motors for
> sale. Fits them in every way ... just started selling a low-cost moped
> through major merchandisers, looking to sell a 50cc scooter soon, been in
> business for 50 years, sells bicycles and parts. Yep, that's them.
> > ~ Danny ~
> So, how much are they asking?

BTW Cosmopolitan Motors also was the US importer for Moto Guzzi
motorcycles. They may still be for all I know.

-Dave



Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:38:55 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Old Honda


tony ,
I am in mansfield, OH 60 miles from you. One is a PA50 the other a
Hobbit, they are nearly identical....



Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:51:24 -0500
To: From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: [Re: Ciao??]


>Well all I know is that my friends late 70s ciao is the best moped I've
ever had the privilage to ride..Where might I be able to get a Si Mix? (I
know its really similar to to ciao, I've seen em' before)...
>Thanks a lot,
>Dan
> Dan, The Si Mix is not being imported either unfortunatley, but if you are
willing to settle for the same machine w/o an oil pump (meaning you have to
premix like other ordinary people), there is a good chance you will find
one; juts keep your ears and eyes open.
If you want to see what it looks like, go to the Moped Magazine's "gallery"
or "museum" section and look for it under "Italy".
http://www.interlog.com/~paltron/moped

Ciao

Paul



Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:58:01 -0500
To: From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths


At 04:01 PM 11/5/97 -0800, you wrote:
>*************************************************
>Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:59:09 -0500 (EST)
>To: daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: CrUsHeR78@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths
> > >First of all the gear ratio on the pedaling system of a moped is so low that
>you will be pedaling extremly fast and barely moving. The pedals are mostly
>just for starting the moped. If you get caught by the cops just tell them
>you didn't know. They won't give you a ticket.
> The funny thing is that in most European countries, you are allowed to be
on a bikepath so long as you do not exceed 25 kmh (18 mph). In fact, it is
even being encouraged as to reduce accident rates. But then again, bike
paths (at least in Germany for sure) are not along the curb, but in the
middle of the sidewalk, thus any kind of interference with cars is
practically out of the question.
If you do not have a moped yet, shoot for a Mobylette from France. Those
are the easiest to pedal and not much more difficult than any 16-17" bicycle.
Let us know.



Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:38:25 +0900
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" From: Brian.Bowman@BZW.com
Subject: RE: Motobecane Mobylette restoration


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Hello Bill,

I've got some photos of the whole bike which I took before the
restoration, I will scan them in and mail them to you, give me a few
days. I will take some close up pictures of the forks themselves and
will scan those in when I used up the film, so give me a few weeks for
those.

I'm sure getting parts shouldn't be too difficult, I was on holiday in
Spain a couple of years back and saw a brand new mobylette which I took
a picture of, much to my wife's amusement, it didn't look so different
from mine. I don't think the fundamental design has changed in years.

Regards
Brian



> -----Original Message-----
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 1997 8:46 PM
> To: Moped Mailing List
> Subject: Motobecane Mobylette restoration
> > *************************************************
> Date: 01 Nov 1997 09:23:46 -0800
> To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" > From: WILMET@SAFECO.com
> Subject: Motobecane Mobylette restoration
> > > To @REPLY > 11-01-97 9:23a
> Hi Brian,
> My name is Bill and I have a 1962 Motobecane Mobylette. You have made
> me curious with your description of the front fork. My front fork
> looks just like a bicycle fork. I would be happy to exchange photos to
> see the differences of our bikes. I would also like to know where you
> get parts.
> -Bill Metteer
> > To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N
> 10-29-97 4:51p
> FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net
> I changed the subject of this message to make it more relevant. I have
> taken some pictures of the bike before starting the restoration and
> will of course take some afterwards. I'll scan a couple and mail them
> to you.
> > Right now I'm stuck. I have to get the bike in bits so it can go to
> the stove enamellers (sp?) for repainting but at the bottom of each of
> the front forks is some kind of sleeve that won't budge. The local
> shop even tried heating it but that didn't work. The trouble is that I
> don't know how to this sleeve is attached it may be screwed on or
> clipped on, (anbody got a manual for a 1963 mobylette ?) Obviously if
> I get too rough with it I'll end up breaking it. I'm keeping it coated
> in oil at the moment in the hope that this will free the rust and then
> I can ease it off.
> > I'm looking forward to reassembling the restored parts. This should be
> the fun part because the bike will be getting more and more like a
> bike whereas at the moment everything I do makes it look less and less
> like a bike and more and more like a box of bits.
> > Regards
> Brian
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > From: daugava@nothnbut.net [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 1997 6:36 AM
> > To: Moped Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: Help me with parents
> > > > *************************************************
> > Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:11:38 -0400 (EDT)
> > To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> > From: TOPOjs@aol.com
> > Subject: Re: Help me with parents
> > > > > > Sounds like you're doing a very thorough job restoring your bike,
> > Brian. Let
> > us know how it's going. Any way to give us some pics? Good luck!
> > >
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:12:33 -0500
To: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu
From: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu
Subject: Question...


Hello there,
I hate to bug you, but right now I have a 1977 Motobecane that I
fixed up, and is in very good shape. The problem that I have with it is
when it is warm after a run, and you try to start it up, after it has
been turned off, it won't start. I disconnected the kill switch, and I
am suspecting the points, because I have covered just about everything
else. The only problem is, I can't get to them. The cover to the
points is bolted on, and no matter how hard I try with a rachet, I can't
get it off. I did fill the cylinder with oil to get a hydraulic
pressure effect, this pressure gave me a good hold on the bolt, but I
still wasn't able to take it off with around 155 pounds of torque. Is
there a special way to release this cover? Any help would be much
appreciated.
Sincerely,
=-=-=-=-=-RICH



Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:17:30 -0000
To: From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: Re: Tomos article


I have a parts manual that should list the parts you need. Let me know what
parts you are interested in and I will look them up and give you an
estimate of what they would cost. I can order them for you and would be
happy to ship them to you. If you like you can call me after 5pm EST at
614-533-2266.

Tony

----------
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net
> To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Re: Tomos article
> Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 12:01 AM
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:57:52 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: SPETSANTI@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Tomos article
> > > andrew
> You have a broshure on TOMOS ! that's cool I would appreciate it if
you
> could send me the address and phone # and e-mail address for that dealer
I
> have a '79 tomos I bought for my son and the silly thing quit running (no
> fire to the points) and I need to find a shop manual for it
........Please
> help
>


Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:30:52 +0900
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" From: Brian.Bowman@BZW.com
Subject: RE: Motobecane Mobylette restoration


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Jean,

Thanks for replying, can you give me some more details ? Is the tool
supplied by motobecane and do I have any chance of getting one ? Is
there anything else I could use ?

Just to make sure we are talking about the same part the forks look =
like
this (not to scale :-) )

[ handle bar end]
| |
| |
| |
| |
|| || <---- sleeves
'' || ''=20
|| <---- greased shaft
||
MM
[front wheel axle]=20

I am assuming that I remove the greased shaft (have done this) and then
insert the puller, Then the end bar on the puller somehow springs out
when passed the end of the sleeves thust enabling me to pull the off. =
Am
I right ?

Regards
Brian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 1997 5:32 PM
> To: Moped Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Motobecane Mobylette restoration
>=20
> *************************************************
>=20
> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:51:37 -0500
> To: > From: laurinj@videotron.ca
> Subject: Re: Motobecane Mobylette restoration
>=20
>=20
> I have to get the bike in bits so it can go to the
> >stove enamellers (sp?) for repainting but at the bottom of each of
> the
> >front forks is some kind of sleeve that won't budge. The local shop
> even
> >tried heating it but that didn't work. The trouble is that I don't
> know
> >how to this sleeve is attached it may be screwed on or clipped on,
> >(anbody got a manual for a 1963 mobylette
>=20
> If you want to remove those sleeves at the end of the fork, you need =
a
> special tool (a kind of puller) to pull them out...
>=20
> The tool look like this.....
>=20
> |*|
> ----| |---- =20
> |_|
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> !|!------------->!=3Dsleeves
> !|!
> !|!=20
> -|-
>=20
> Ciao!!!
> Jean-S=E9bastien Laurin
> ------------------------------------------------
> Parts and restorations on 60's and 70's mopeds
> Motob=E9cane, Solex, Puch and more
>=20
>=20
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:24:35 -0800
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: l33@juno.com
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust



On Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:31:57 EST daugava@nothnbut.net writes:
>*************************************************
>Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:36:52 -0500
>To: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
>From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
>Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust
> > >daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
>> >> *************************************************
>> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:15:55 -0500 (EST)
>> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
>> From: AaronM428@aol.com
>> Subject: Targa Exhaust
>> >> Is there any harm in running a moped with the exaust loose? I
>believe that
>> the Biturbo pipe on my Targa LX is rather loose, because the exaust
>note has
>> gotten slightly louder and has developed more of a "roar". It is
>not
>> excessively loud, just moreso than before. The reason it think it's
>loose
>> vs. "holey" it that on sharp bumps the exaust note gets louder for a
>split
>> second as the 'ped drives over the bump.
>my boyfriend tim has a targa lx and he sugguests that you just tighten
>it up and it should be fine....take care..and enjoy
> > > it should be okay if it is loose, just a little bit louder. it won't
hurt anything. just tighten it up if you can.



Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:01:19 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ASprayberr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths


Well this may not be much help, But in a town near where I live one path in
particular has a sign that says no motorized vehicles.
Others don't.
of course, ignorance is no excuse.
But I say, if there isn't a sign, how can you know each particular path and
it's laws.
Good question, hard answer.
If this was the orient, no one would realy care, mopeds, scooters adn cars as
well as motorcycles all travel together because of the slow speed limit and
bikes just stay to the side of the road.
Don't know about canada, eh?



Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:23:27 -0800 (PST)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: dgwood@pacifier.com
Subject: Re: Interesting link - Moped Business for sale



> Accordingly, only about $400,000 in cash is needed to buy the
> business"
> > Andrew
> > >
Damn! and me out of pocket change. Think they'd take a check ;)

-Dave



Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:41:38 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ASprayberr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Old Honda


Where are you located at? Would you be willing to sell just one, i.e. the
one with the throttle problem?



Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:45:09 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ASprayberr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kinetic moped


Well, like I said, the parts are the thing. I was going to buy a dirt bike (
was a dual sport in it's country of origin) named Xing Fu. It was 1200 bucks.
But after long thought, I have decided to buy a Kawasaki KE100 dual sport.
Basicly the same bike except here in america the KE100 is a legal dual sport.
yes it will cost me more but if something happens to it I have:
a warranty
A dealer with access to parts
and an opportunity to buy a parts bike from any year, engine parts are
interchangeable.
This outweighs the pro's of the Xing Fu. It is a cool looking bike though.



Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:26:42 -0500
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: Mopeds on bike paths


in most European countries, you are allowed to be on a bikepath so long
as you do not exceed 25 kmh (18 mph). In fact, it is even being
encouraged as to reduce accident rates. But then again, bike paths (at
least in Germany for sure) are not along the curb, but in the middle of
the sidewalk, thus any kind of interference with cars is practically out
of the question.

if you travel thru "radically green" university towns like tuebingen in
germany, you will find many two-way streets converted into one-way
streets with bike paths (avec concrete planters) taking up one full
lane. the idea is to make a relatively small town a nightmare to drive
thru with a car, especially if you don't know your way around. this may
cause you to blow so much more exhaust into the air by driving in
circles, but it will teach you a lesson, tourist: namely to buy a bike,
moped, or to just walk. if you don't like it, don't come back. good for
mopedeers, you say. hey, were talking germany here.
this means more stupid laws are added to top even that: no mopeds on
tuebinger bike paths, they must stay on road, but cars now may go no
faster than 25 km/h. then, if there's only one bike path, say, on the
left side of the road you're traveling down, you aren't allowed to ride
it against traffic. THATS NOT SAFE, WILL DISTRACT MOTORISTS.
cops lurk in wait, checking your papers (insurance, license, moped
specs, the ISO seal of approval in your helmet), fining you for
using/not using a bike path, low tread on tires or ANY modification, a
faulty or missing manual bicycle-type bell (used to warn cyclists and
pedestrians who can't hear you coming - THE BELL THEY'LL HEAR, RIGHT!?)
funny: signals lights were never mandatory on mopeds - go figure.

as i've said before, mopeds are great, but if they were to become really
popular, you know the law would eventually take a lot of fun out of
riding. even tree huggers can come to hate the toxic little things if
they think about it long enough.
p.s. sorry, reading "germany" just set me off.



Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:30:43 -0500
To: paltron@interlog.com
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: AMF Mopped


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daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:54:52 -0800 (PST)
> To: Moped Mailing List > From: dgwood@pacifier.com
> Subject: Re: AMF Mopped
> > If my attempts to get Aermacci made Harley parts from Harley are any
> indication, you're way better off with McCulloch.
> > -Dave
> > > > > > > Where can I get parts for the AMF. The ignition system is out of it
> > everything else is working on it. It is a nice looking ped. It has the
> > McCulloch engine on it.Will McCulloch have parts or do I go to the Harley?
> > It is a Roadmaster model 400612d Any info will help
> > > > Thankyou
> > > > Bob
> > > > > > And if you guys want to see how a Harley-brand moped looks like, here it
is (attached). Ugly like hell.

ANDREW: The picture is at
/d/moped/mop-hd.jpg
BTW, I may have a picture of Airmacci-HD moped - it's much
better looking than AMF one. I'll see if I can find it.



Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:43:44 -0500
To: paltron@interlog.com
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:34:58 -0500 (EST)
> To: Moped Mailing List > From: manttila@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
> Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths
> > || > Is it legal to use a moped on a bike path if you are pedalling? What
> ||
> || I asked a retired police officer that I know here in Seattle and he
> || told me it is technically illegal, however if you point out that the
> || engine is cold he probably won't give you a ticket. He can give you a
> || ticket if he wants to, so I thought I would avoid that one and stay off
> || the bike path.
> > Well, that may be the law in Washington, but what about Alberta? Does
> anyone know the law regarding this in Ontario? On my route to work I shut
> off my engine and pedal across a pedestrian/bicycle overpass over the
> Queensway, and I wouldn't mind knowing if it's legal or not.
> > At least, I hope bicycles are allowed on that overpass... Hmmm...
> > -Mike
> ___________________________________________________________
> Michael Anttila aka PsychoMan of Craw Productions
> 3A Pure Math / Computer Science at U. of Waterloo, Canada
> E-Mail: manttila@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
> Homepage: http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~manttila/
> Craw Productions: craw@magi.com, http://www.magi.com/~craw/
The Highway Traffic Act regulates all motorised vehicles the same. If
the engine is off, you have to push it; can't ride it. Consequently, you
must stay off bike lanes.
Because of the absence of mopeds en masse from Canadian (Ontario) roads,
I guess it is up to the individual authority figure to pass judgment. I
never had any problem parking my 'ped on the sidewalk, in a bike rack,
etc. Scooters do not have that freedom.
We need more mopeds.



Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:45:25 -0600
To: "Mailing List" From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths


> Well this may not be much help, But in a town near where I live one path
in
> particular has a sign that says no motorized vehicles.
To make matters more confusing, the bike path here, in Saint Louis also
says
"no motor vehicles", but, according to latest statutes, moped is exempted
from the
definition of "motor vehicle"!

I rode Bike Machine on that path once. Nobody gave me trouble, but after a
while I decided
that I was making too much noise, turned engine off and pedaled :)

Andrew



Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:25:24 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ACassin105@aol.com
Subject: faster mopeds


does anybody know of any moped hop-ups. I heard of the big bore kits I want
to know if they give you a different head for the engine or do you have to
get it bored out.



Also doe they have anything other than the big bore kits and turbo
muflers.

I already have a turbo mufler and a little bit bigger jet and my
moped can reach about 54 on a flat road and a none windy day so how fast do
the big bore kits make you go?



Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:43:58 -0700
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" From: rose@chronologicsystems.com
Subject: RE: Mopeds on bike paths


Well I am impressed and appreciative with the responses I received.
This is quite an ardent group. Based on recommendations that I received
by more than one individual in this group, I have begun looking at motor
kits for standard bikes. Anyone in this group look into it, have any
feelings (i.e. electric vs gas), or are these bike kits of no interest
to moped enthusiasts? Thanks again.



Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:08:39 -0800
To: agner@erols.com
From: agner@erols.com
Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:34:58 -0500 (EST)
> To: Moped Mailing List > From: manttila@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
> Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths
> > || > Is it legal to use a moped on a bike path if you are pedalling? What
> ||
> || I asked a retired police officer that I know here in Seattle and he
> || told me it is technically illegal, however if you point out that the
> || engine is cold he probably won't give you a ticket. He can give you a
> || ticket if he wants to, so I thought I would avoid that one and stay off
> || the bike path.
> > Well, that may be the law in Washington, but what about Alberta? Does
> anyone know the law regarding this in Ontario? On my route to work I shut
> off my engine and pedal across a pedestrian/bicycle overpass over the
> Queensway, and I wouldn't mind knowing if it's legal or not.
> > At least, I hope bicycles are allowed on that overpass... Hmmm...
> > -Mike
> ___________________________________________________________
> Michael Anttila aka PsychoMan of Craw Productions
> 3A Pure Math / Computer Science at U. of Waterloo, Canada
> E-Mail: manttila@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
> Homepage: http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~manttila/
> Craw Productions: craw@magi.com, http://www.magi.com/~craw/
In NJ it is legal to take a ped on a bike trail/path.




Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:03:47 EST
To: daugava@shell.nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Targa Exaust


In a message dated 97-11-04 20:36:42 EST, you write:
<<
That reminds me of how I first installed Bi-Turbo.
I had no gasket (in fact, I didn't know what gasket was) and
I couldn't attach it tightly. Boy, did it roar!
Night riding was like a challenge to those who sleep.

But since I got the new gasket and special bolts to, it's
quiet again - and most of the time I like it this way.

Andrew
>> This Biturbo was installed by the place I bought the Targa LX from, so I
assume that they did put the gasket on.



Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:13:58 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths


In a message dated 97-11-05 15:36:10 EST, you write:
<< Is it legal to use a moped on a bike path if you are pedalling? What
mopeds (if any) are best suited for this? I am looking for a cross over
machine. Calgary has an excellent path system but I live too far from
work to commute by bicycle. Something I could peddle on the paths when
it is flat and then switch to the motor (on the road) when it gets hilly
or I get tired. Any thoughts? >>
I do not believe that there is a true moped that would be anywhere near light
enough for what you describe. The closest gasoline powered one (Velo Solex)
weighs in at around 68 lbs. Most 'peds weigh around 100 lbs. Your best bet
would be an electric "helper motor" for your bicycle. They typically have a
top speed of 15-20 mph, more if you pedal along with it, and a range of 10-15
miles, though some claim that pedaling along doubles (or more) the range. All
the ones I have seen fit to the front wheel with the battery pack along the
top bar (mens bike).



Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:27:24 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths


In a message dated 97-11-06 15:44:47 EST, you write:
<< We need more mopeds. >> I could not agree more. If there are more mopeds, maybe we, the riders, can
convince our governments that mopeds really are different than other "motor
vehicles". VIVA LE MOPED!



Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 17:16:43 -0500 (EST)
To: <199711070300.VAA10976@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: faster mopeds


54?????

54 what?? MPH - your bike's gonna fall apart one day.

54 KMH??? - that's faster than a moped should go.

I'd love mine to do that.


Michael Liu

On Thu, 6 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:25:24 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: ACassin105@aol.com
> Subject: faster mopeds
> > > does anybody know of any moped hop-ups. I heard of the big bore kits I want
> to know if they give you a different head for the engine or do you have to
> get it bored out.
> > > > Also doe they have anything other than the big bore kits and turbo
> muflers.
> > I already have a turbo mufler and a little bit bigger jet and my
> moped can reach about 54 on a flat road and a none windy day so how fast do
> the big bore kits make you go?
> > >


Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:35:10
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: drstupid@usa.net
Subject: Re: [faster mopeds]


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
>> *************************************************
>> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:25:24 -0500 (EST)
>> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
>> From: ACassin105@aol.com
>> Subject: faster mopeds
>> >> >> does anybody know of any moped hop-ups. I heard of the big bore kits I want
>> to know if they give you a different head for the engine or do you have to
>> get it bored out.
>> >> >> >> Also doe they have anything other than the big bore kits and turbo
>> muflers.
>> >> I already have a turbo mufler and a little bit bigger jet and my
>> moped can reach about 54 on a flat road and a none windy day so how fast do
>> the big bore kits make you go?
>>
Wow..What kind of moped do you have??
Dan

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:43:51
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: drstupid@usa.net
Subject: Re: [Question...]


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
>> *************************************************
>> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:12:33 -0500
>> To: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu
>> From: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu
>> Subject: Question...
>> >> >> Hello there,
>> I hate to bug you, but right now I have a 1977 Motobecane that I
>> fixed up, and is in very good shape. The problem that I have with it is
>> when it is warm after a run, and you try to start it up, after it has
>> been turned off, it won't start. I disconnected the kill switch, and I
>> am suspecting the points, because I have covered just about everything
>> else. The only problem is, I can't get to them. The cover to the
>> points is bolted on, and no matter how hard I try with a rachet, I can't
>> get it off. I did fill the cylinder with oil to get a hydraulic
>> pressure effect, this pressure gave me a good hold on the bolt, but I
>> still wasn't able to take it off with around 155 pounds of torque. Is
>> there a special way to release this cover? Any help would be much
>> appreciated.
>> Sincerely,
>> =-=-=-=-=-RICH
>>
Two Words: Reverse Thread

DS

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 17:52:07 -0500
To: paltron@interlog.com
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Question...


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:12:33 -0500
> To: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu
> From: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu
> Subject: Question...
> > Hello there,
> I hate to bug you, but right now I have a 1977 Motobecane that I
> fixed up, and is in very good shape. The problem that I have with it is
> when it is warm after a run, and you try to start it up, after it has
> been turned off, it won't start. I disconnected the kill switch, and I
> am suspecting the points, because I have covered just about everything
> else. The only problem is, I can't get to them. The cover to the
> points is bolted on, and no matter how hard I try with a rachet, I can't
> get it off. I did fill the cylinder with oil to get a hydraulic
> pressure effect, this pressure gave me a good hold on the bolt, but I
> still wasn't able to take it off with around 155 pounds of torque. Is
> there a special way to release this cover? Any help would be much
> appreciated.
> Sincerely,
> =-=-=-=-=-RICH
The bolt holding the magneto flywheel is left-threaded. To undo it, you
must turn it cloclwise. Should come off fairly easy; except that with
155 pounds you made it pretty tight. I doubt it's the points - with them
defective, it either wouldn't start at all or would stall. Check your
mixture (should be 4%) and blow out the breathing hole in the gas cap.
This last little thing can cause havoc.



Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:17:02 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Re: AMF Mopped


Yo Bob,
I have the owners manual for that bike, y'know.
Scott



Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:31:06 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths


You could try to find a AMF Roadmaster.
When in bicycle mode, the drive system is just like a plain old single speed
bicycle crank and sprocket. The motor (50cc) drops on top of the back wheel
when you need motor assist.
You could also get a Bike Machine motor to adapt to your bicycle.
Scott H



Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 04:18:35 +0100
To: peter_tomos@geocities.com
From: peter_tomos@geocities.com
Subject: Re: [faster mopeds]


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:35:10
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: drstupid@usa.net
> Subject: Re: [faster mopeds]
> > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> >> *************************************************
> >> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:25:24 -0500 (EST)
> >> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> >> From: ACassin105@aol.com
> >> Subject: faster mopeds
> >> > >> > >> does anybody know of any moped hop-ups. I heard of the big bore kits I want
> >> to know if they give you a different head for the engine or do you have to
> >> get it bored out.
> >> > >> > >> > >> Also doe they have anything other than the big bore kits and turbo
> >> muflers.
> >> > >> I already have a turbo mufler and a little bit bigger jet and my
> >> moped can reach about 54 on a flat road and a none windy day so how fast do
> >> the big bore kits make you go?
> >> > > Wow..What kind of moped do you have??
> Dan
50cc mmmmmmmmmm 230 km/h fast enough, on the circuit they drive with 24
mm carb and 17000+ rpm some times even harder... (50cc superblock in an
125cc race frame)


so why more bore , it is not so legal and no fun, it gives more hp's and
with other chain wheels a better top ....;)

DO THE PORTING JOB, the most satisfying job there is :)
Peter.



Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:23:41 -0500 (EST)
To: From: 6828t@mail.bright.net
Subject: Re: AMF Mopped


Scot now is a nice time to tell me see you tomorrowAt 09:17 PM 11/6/97
EST, you wrote:
>*************************************************
>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:17:02 EST
>To: daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: Huvz@aol.com
>Subject: Re: AMF Mopped
> > >Yo Bob,
> I have the owners manual for that bike, y'know.
>Scott
> > > >


Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 23:56:37 -0500
To: laurinj@videotron.ca
From: laurinj@videotron.ca
Subject: Re: Question...


At 13:43 06/11/1997 -0500, you wrote:
>*************************************************
>Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:12:33 -0500
>To: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu
>From: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu
>Subject: Question...
> > >Hello there,
> I hate to bug you, but right now I have a 1977 Motobecane that I
>fixed up, and is in very good shape. The problem that I have with it is
>when it is warm after a run, and you try to start it up, after it has
>been turned off, it won't start. I disconnected the kill switch, and I
>am suspecting the points, because I have covered just about everything
>else. The only problem is, I can't get to them. The cover to the
>points is bolted on, and no matter how hard I try with a rachet, I can't
>get it off. I did fill the cylinder with oil to get a hydraulic
>pressure effect, this pressure gave me a good hold on the bolt, but I
>still wasn't able to take it off with around 155 pounds of torque. Is
>there a special way to release this cover? Any help would be much
>appreciated.
>Sincerely,
>=-=-=-=-=-RICH
> Hi, the tread of the bolt on the flywheel of the motobecane engine in
invese, so you have to take it off the way you screw normaly...
an other thing, instead of filling the cylinder with oil put about 1/2
foot of rope (nylon) in. it will stop the rotation of the piston so
you'll be able to release the cover.

Sincerely
Jean-Sébastien Laurin

*************************
*Parts and restoration *
*on 60's and 70's mopeds*
*************************



Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:05:56 -0000
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" From: Brian.Bowman@BZW.com
Subject: RE: Question...


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RICH,

Keep bugging us, I haven't started to look at the engine on my
Motobecane restoration, I have that joy to come, but now I know to watch
out for the problem you describe and thanks to the chaps replying know
how to avoid it. This is what mailing lists are all about.

Regards
Brian

>-----Original Message-----
>From: daugava@nothnbut.net [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 6:44 PM
>To: Moped Mailing List
>Subject: Question...
> >*************************************************
>Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:12:33 -0500
>To: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu
>From: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu
>Subject: Question...
> > >Hello there,
> I hate to bug you, but right now I have a 1977 Motobecane that I
>fixed up, and is in very good shape. The problem that I have with it is
>when it is warm after a run, and you try to start it up, after it has
>been turned off, it won't start. I disconnected the kill switch, and I
>am suspecting the points, because I have covered just about everything
>else. The only problem is, I can't get to them. The cover to the
>points is bolted on, and no matter how hard I try with a rachet, I can't
>get it off. I did fill the cylinder with oil to get a hydraulic
>pressure effect, this pressure gave me a good hold on the bolt, but I
>still wasn't able to take it off with around 155 pounds of torque. Is
>there a special way to release this cover? Any help would be much
>appreciated.
>Sincerely,
>=-=-=-=-=-RICH
> --MimeMultipartBoundary--



Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:23:11 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Old Honda


Im in OHIO , and , yes I would sell one.



Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:39:59 -0500
To: paltron@interlog.com
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: faster mopeds


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 17:16:43 -0500 (EST)
> To: <199711070300.VAA10976@mail.valuenet.net> > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
> Subject: Re: faster mopeds
> > 54?????
> > 54 what?? MPH - your bike's gonna fall apart one day.
> > 54 KMH??? - that's faster than a moped should go.
> > I'd love mine to do that.
> > Michael Liu
> > On Thu, 6 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > > *************************************************
> > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:25:24 -0500 (EST)
> > To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> > From: ACassin105@aol.com
> > Subject: faster mopeds
> > > > > > does anybody know of any moped hop-ups. I heard of the big bore kits I want
> > to know if they give you a different head for the engine or do you have to
> > get it bored out.
> > > > > > > > Also doe they have anything other than the big bore kits and turbo
> > muflers.
> > > > I already have a turbo mufler and a little bit bigger jet and my
> > moped can reach about 54 on a flat road and a none windy day so how fast do
> > the big bore kits make you go?
> > > > > > Here is a little insight about top speeds. Manufacturers, supplying
product for different markets with different speed limits, apply one or
usually more of these simple tricks:
1. Carburator jet size.
2. Rear wheel chain sprocket diameter
3. Limiting peg on the mainshaft for pulley movement (belt-pulley type
automatic transmissions)

Simply jetting up or changing the exhaust will not do much for top
speed, but will improve acceleration. Best treatment is to change the
cylinder/carb/exhaust as a whole but then you are in illegal (off-road)
waters.



Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:45:57 -0500
To: paltron@interlog.com
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:31:06 EST
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Huvz@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths
> > You could try to find a AMF Roadmaster.
> When in bicycle mode, the drive system is just like a plain old single speed
> bicycle crank and sprocket. The motor (50cc) drops on top of the back wheel
> when you need motor assist.
> You could also get a Bike Machine motor to adapt to your bicycle.
> Scott H
Or scout garage sales, junkuards, et al for a Velosolex mounted on a
Schwinn. I had one of those and it is not only a perfect bike, but also
a total riot as you zoom along at 18 mph. Whew!



Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:19:25 -0500
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: faster mopeds


> 2. Rear wheel chain sprocket diameter

to 2. i must say many mopeds already have tiny ones. furthermore, you
usually can't pull a potato skin off a table (as the saying goes)
anymore if the sprockets too small. its like trying to accelerate a ten
speed bike in tenth gear from a dead stop. i found it better to tune up
then put a larger one in back (or a more hidden smaller one in front if
possible). this takes a bit of speed away again, but i move forward
faster, which is a "problem" with a lot of mopeds.



Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:45:29 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: faster mopeds


In a message dated 97-11-07 02:38:31 EST, you write:

<< I already have a turbo mufler and a little bit bigger jet and
my
moped can reach about 54 on a flat road and a none windy day so how fast do
the big bore kits make you go? >>
What kind of moped? If it is a Tomos, where did you get the jet? My Targa
LX will hit an indicated 43 mph on flat ground on a windless day. The speedo
is accurate, I tested it against a local "speed trap". It amazes me that a
bigger jet and Biturbo muffler can get that kind of performance increase, but
I have the Biturbo and it alone added 10 mph to the top speed.



Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:43:49 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@shell.nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Old Honda (fwd)


I'll get back with you on Monday. I am taking the bikes to a "vintage bike"
swap meet on Sunday, and hope to come home alone. If I dont, I will let you
know.
Thanks Scott



Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:50:12 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust


You will have to bend down and look at your exhaust, then you may get the
answer to your question.
I would reccomend tightening it up or whatever it needs, it shouldnt be a big
project.
Question, Does it run better since the exhaust came loose?
Good luck. Scott



Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 01:11:14 -0500 (EST)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: soup-up engine kits for peds


I'm seriously thinking about souping up my PUCH with one of those crazy
kits. I know they cost more than twice what my moped originally cost, and
I could almost get a used motorcycle for that amount of money.

I was wondering the following:

WHat is the actual increase in performance-not in cc or hp, but top speed?

What is the subsequent decrease in gas mileage?

Is it structurally OK to use this for extended periods of time. Mopeds
weren't made to withstand tons of abuse!

Anyone who has actual experience with one of these kits, I would like to
know your opinions and if you have any recommendations.

Thanx.

Michael Liu



Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:56:59 -0000
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: RE: faster mopeds



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i would like to know where you purchased these options. please let me know.
tony at brennan@ramlink.net, thanks

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*************************************************
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:45:29 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: faster mopeds


In a message dated 97-11-07 02:38:31 EST, you write:

<< I already have a turbo mufler and a little bit bigger jet and
my
moped can reach about 54 on a flat road and a none windy day so how fast do
the big bore kits make you go? >>
What kind of moped? If it is a Tomos, where did you get the jet? My Targa
LX will hit an indicated 43 mph on flat ground on a windless day. The speedo
is accurate, I tested it against a local "speed trap". It amazes me that a
bigger jet and Biturbo muffler can get that kind of performance increase, but
I have the Biturbo and it alone added 10 mph to the top speed.



Date: 08 Nov 1997 14:34:09 -0800
To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" From: WILMET@SAFECO.com
Subject: RE: Mopeds on bike paths


To @REPLY All bikes are of interest!

To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N 11-06-97 1:14p
FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net
*************************************************
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:43:58 -0700
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" From: rose@chronologicsystems.com
Subject: RE: Mopeds on bike paths

Well I am impressed and appreciative with the responses I received. This is quite an ardent group. Based on recommendations that I received by more than one individual in this group, I have begun looking at motor kits for standard bikes. Anyone in this group look into it, have any feelings (i.e. electric vs gas), or are these bike kits of no interest to moped enthusiasts? Thanks again.



Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 19:28:20 -0800
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: l33@juno.com
Subject: Re: Question...



On Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:43:44 -0500 daugava@nothnbut.net writes:
>*************************************************
>Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:12:33 -0500
>To: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu
>From: raa97003@uconnvm.uconn.edu
>Subject: Question...
> > >Hello there,
> I hate to bug you, but right now I have a 1977 Motobecane that
>I
>fixed up, and is in very good shape. The problem that I have with it
>is
>when it is warm after a run, and you try to start it up, after it has
>been turned off, it won't start. I disconnected the kill switch, and
>I
>am suspecting the points, because I have covered just about everything
>else. The only problem is, I can't get to them. The cover to the
>points is bolted on, and no matter how hard I try with a rachet, I
>can't
>get it off. I did fill the cylinder with oil to get a hydraulic
>pressure effect, this pressure gave me a good hold on the bolt, but I
>still wasn't able to take it off with around 155 pounds of torque. Is
>there a special way to release this cover? Any help would be much
>appreciated.
>Sincerely,
>=-=-=-=-=-RICH
> > > try a metric wrench if you are using a standard and it isn't gripping
well



Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:39:48 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: jcoplanj@brookings.net
Subject: Vespa for sale


I put that ad on the mailing list and talked to a few guys that
were interested in that Vespa that guy in my town had for sale.

I gave his number to three or four people, and nobody ever told
me if they talked to him or what.

I would like to know if anyone did and what he said so if I ever
get any more interest in it (from the archives on the web page),
I'll know what to tell them.

Thanks,

Jeff




Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:45:51 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: jcoplanj@brookings.net
Subject: Puch won't idle


OK---

I have the 77 puch maxi that won't idle.

I put a different carburetor on it (from another maxi)
and that didn't do anything for me.

I took the petcock out and cleaned that all out
and that didn't do anything for me.

This means the problem is not in the fuel line
and it is not in the carb, right?

It's not in the air intake, because I ran similar
tests on it without the air filter on and it didn't
make any difference.

Exhaust is clean.

I'm positive it's not electrical or points or any junk
like that.

Where else could it be?

It will run if I give it gas-usually.
Sometimes it will not start (or only start after trying
a ton).

Sometimes it will run for a while (three times it has run for
almost exactly a quarter of a mile every time) about 5 minutes.
And then it won't start again.

HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP

I know everyone is getting tired of hearing about this stupid
moped but I bought this thing and paid over $200 for it and
now the damn thing is going to run if it's the last thing
that I do before I go six feet under.

Thanks

Jeff Coplan




Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 13:45:21 PST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: britton14@hotmail.com
Subject: NEED MOPED!!!! Will pay $250!!


I have been trying to get a moped for years-but so far every deal has
fell through. The moped I'm getting won't start, is missing primary
parts, etc. I live in Northern Virginia and will pay $250 for any moped
that is in good running condition. Thanks,

-Britton

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:18:18 -0500 (EST)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: WHat happend to the ML?


I haven't got a message from this ML in three days, I hope that the list
still lives. In the absence of this list, I started to surf and found that
although there were no real moped dealers on Long Island, there are
actually 2 near me in Connecticut, one in New Jersey, and no less than
three from my childhood home of Rhode Island. I called each and every one
and they are BONAFIDE dealers. These aren't people who carry motorcycles
and happened to have one type of new moped for like $1200. They have used
mopeds and parts. Wow!!! REal moped dealers. The price of a used ped is a
little stiff-like upwards from $300. But for that price you're probably
also getting a totally working unit and a guarantee plus support. One
weekend I gotta trek up and see all these guys.

Michael Liu



Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:40:14 GMT
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be
Subject: Re: Mopeds on bike paths


I'm an Auxiliary Police Officer in the Commonwealth of Virginia when I am at
home in the US. Laws vary from locality to locality, but most of Northern
Virginia's dedicated bicycle paths are clearly marked: No motorized
vehicles. That clearly precludes mopeds!

It would be UNWISE, as has been suggested on the list, to use a moped on
bike paths that are so marked and assume a police officer is not going to
give you a ticket. Would you park your car next to a No Parking sign and
expect not to get a ticket?

If in doubt about the laws regarding moped where you live, the simplest and
most accurate solution is to call your local police department or department
of motor vehicles and ask! The answer they give you is far more likely to
be correct than are the well-intentioned guesses of members of this list who
do NOT live where you do and are unlikely to be conversant with your local
traffic laws.



Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:40:33 -0500 (EST)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: hello


No mailings for the the last 3 days-what's the deal.

moped moped moped moped

I want my fix!!!

Michael Liu



Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:46:38 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: uni_hacker@juno.com
Subject: Needed Jawa Part


I am looking for a side piece to a Jawa moped I believe it is a '86 or
'87. Either way, I need the LEFT side piece to it. It MUST be black in
color! Thanks again!



Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:52:12 -0800
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: lincoln33@juno.com
Subject: Re: Vespa for sale


hey i got the guys number and talked to him about it ups probably wont
ship because it is too big and it costs a lot to ship. i am still very
interested in it if i can get it, but i am in colorado.



Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:57:22 -0800
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: lincoln33@juno.com
Subject: re:found you a good deal on mopeds


talk to anthony cilwa in new hampshire if that isn't too far. he has two
harley mopeds, two honda mopeds, and an awesome italian moped. i am in
colorado so i am too far, but if i were you i would talk to him. he is
selling the harleys for 250, the hondas for 250, and the italian one for
250. it is very nice. anyway, his email address is
xcash@mindspring.com.



Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:03:07 -0500
To: paltron@interlog.com
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Puch won't idle


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
s
> > Jeff Coplan
There could be a hairline crack in the cylinder or crankcase so the
engine takes on air that of course will lean out the mixture, ergo not
enough gas to burn. Have you tried YOUR carb on another engine whether
it repeats the same problem?If the other engine will idle OK, then you
have a bad engine. No question about it. But if it doesn't work
properly, then you have a bad carb.



Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:11:43 -0800
To: artgoulet@bigfoot.com
From: agoulet@flash.net
Subject: Need advice w/ Tomos shift-speed prob.


Hi!

I'd appreciate some advice regarding a persistent shift-speed problem
I'm having with my new Tomos Targa moped, bought from a dealer in
Burbank, CA. The moped now has about 600 miles on it and is still under
warranty. I am 54 years old, and after a few heart attacks, I am no
longer under warranty! But I love the moped.

Ever since I bought it 2 weeks ago, the moped has had recurring problems
with the upshift to second gear occurring at about 17-19 mph, which is
way past the torque peak of the engine in first gear. The result is
that when starting off the moped from a stop, the engine revs up
considerably in first gear before finally getting the moped fast enough
to switch to 2nd gear. However, after passing about 15 mph in first
gear, further acceleration is very little, and it feels as if the speed
will "never" get high enough to enable the upshift.

In fact, this problem creates an intolerable safety problem in traffic:
after a decent start, the speed flattens out as the moped is still
straining in first gear, and cars behind me aren't expecting the sudden
lack of acceleration at such a low speed.

This problem was fixed once by the dealer, through a
"factory-authorized" series of radial cuts in the clutch face, which is
supposed to improve transmission oil flow through the clutch. It worked
fine after that, with the upshift occurring around 13-14 mph. That is
clearly about the best speed to upshift for smooth acceleration to 30
mph.

However, another problem developed about 100 miles later, a screw coming
loose inside the engine that caused it to lock up. That too was fixed,
but immediately afterwards, the old upshift-speed problem recurred. In
addition, the upshift itself happens very slowly, with only a gradual
settling into 2nd gear. The dealer says that only a new clutch will fix
the problem (covered under warranty).

The dealer's repair shop seems honest, but I'm wondering just what
internal device in the engine and transmission controls the speed at
which the moped upshifts, and is this in any way user-adjustable.
Frankly, I can't see what the clutch face has to do with it; the clutch
seems to work fine from a standing start.

In addition, I wonder whether the characteristics of the transmission
oil might affect the upshift speed. The manual calls for DEXRON Type A,
and I presume that's what the dealer uses.

Any knowledgable advice will be much appreciated!!! Please email
directly to me at:
artgoulet@bigfoot.com

Thanks!

Arthur Goulet



Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:18:33 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: JoeVR5@aol.com
Subject: Searching for a moped...


Hi everybody!!

My name is Joe and I am looking for a moped to buy that is under 5-600
dollars. I live in Northern Virginia. I would appreciate it greatly if
anyone has any suggestions, or hints about buying a moped. Thanks!!

-Joe



Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:47:35 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: gerhart@netusa1.net
Subject: Honda Elite 50 hop up parts?


I am new to this list, which was billed to me as being for users of mopeds
and small automatic scooters. I have the latter.

I have an Elite SR which goes about 37 mph on level ground without wind. I
would like it to go about 45-50. Probably taller gearing, a tuned exhaust
system, and righer jetting to go with the tuned exhaust would do the trick.
I know there are parts sold various places around the world to hop up the
Honda 50cc two stroke scooters, but I have not found any source of such
parts in the US, except Hawaii, and the place I contacted was not in the
business of selling by mail. Does anyone know of a reputable mail order
place which sells such stuff. Any suggestions on where to get these parts
would be appreciated.

TIA



Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:09:06 -0600
To: "Mailing List" From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject: Cosmopolitan Motors on the Web


Cosmopolitan Motors is the company that imports Kinetic moped
I found their URL yesterday: http://www.full-motion-net.com/cosmo/

Andrew



Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:41:40 -0500
To: paltron@interlog.com
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Need advice w/ Tomos shift-speed prob.


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:11:43 -0800
> To: artgoulet@bigfoot.com
> From: agoulet@flash.net
> Subject: Need advice w/ Tomos shift-speed prob.
> > Hi!
> > I'd appreciate some advice regarding a persistent shift-speed problem
> I'm having with my new Tomos Targa moped, bought from a dealer in
> Burbank, CA. The moped now has about 600 miles on it and is still under
> warranty. I am 54 years old, and after a few heart attacks, I am no
> longer under warranty! But I love the moped.
> > Ever since I bought it 2 weeks ago, the moped has had recurring problems
> with the upshift to second gear occurring at about 17-19 mph, which is
> way past the torque peak of the engine in first gear. The result is
> that when starting off the moped from a stop, the engine revs up
> considerably in first gear before finally getting the moped fast enough
> to switch to 2nd gear. However, after passing about 15 mph in first
> gear, further acceleration is very little, and it feels as if the speed
> will "never" get high enough to enable the upshift.
> > In fact, this problem creates an intolerable safety problem in traffic:
> after a decent start, the speed flattens out as the moped is still
> straining in first gear, and cars behind me aren't expecting the sudden
> lack of acceleration at such a low speed.
> > This problem was fixed once by the dealer, through a
> "factory-authorized" series of radial cuts in the clutch face, which is
> supposed to improve transmission oil flow through the clutch. It worked
> fine after that, with the upshift occurring around 13-14 mph. That is
> clearly about the best speed to upshift for smooth acceleration to 30
> mph.
> > However, another problem developed about 100 miles later, a screw coming
> loose inside the engine that caused it to lock up. That too was fixed,
> but immediately afterwards, the old upshift-speed problem recurred. In
> addition, the upshift itself happens very slowly, with only a gradual
> settling into 2nd gear. The dealer says that only a new clutch will fix
> the problem (covered under warranty).
> > The dealer's repair shop seems honest, but I'm wondering just what
> internal device in the engine and transmission controls the speed at
> which the moped upshifts, and is this in any way user-adjustable.
> Frankly, I can't see what the clutch face has to do with it; the clutch
> seems to work fine from a standing start.
> > In addition, I wonder whether the characteristics of the transmission
> oil might affect the upshift speed. The manual calls for DEXRON Type A,
> and I presume that's what the dealer uses.
> > Any knowledgable advice will be much appreciated!!! Please email
> directly to me at:
> artgoulet@bigfoot.com
> > Thanks!
> > Arthur Goulet
Arthur,
re shifting problems
This is an inherent issue with each and every 2-speed 'ped powerplants
I've seen. Whether Garelli, Jawa, Puch or Tomos, they all act up.
The typical problem is that microscopic amounts of grease or oil get
into the shifting clutch chamber so the shoes begin to slip. They are so
bloody sensitive that even just touching the shoes by hand will do it.
Simplest cure is to degrease the shoes with alcohol or another agent.
The dealer should also check if the main seals there are good; maybe
some oil is trickling in from the gearbox.
Also, try not to rev the engine up real hard when you take off; you'll
notice that it will shift much easier if you just throttle 2/3 or so.
But the key is the degreasing.
Good luck
Paul



Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:13:46 -0500
To: paltron@interlog.com
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Kreidler mopeds


I would appreciate any info on the MP-9. A nice picture would be welcome
too.



Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:24:19 -0000
To: From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: Re: NEED MOPED!!!! Will pay $250!!


i have a 1992 mopet, locally made moped with a sachs engine. it has 2000
miles on it, but is in better than average condition. has new rear tire and
tube, is black in color. asking $495.00



Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:30:31 -0000
To: From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: Re: Need advice w/ Tomos shift-speed prob.


i am printing your message, and will contact tomos for suggestions. as soon
as i hear something back, i will email the information to you.

tony at brennan@ramlink.net



Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:14:11 -0800 (PST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: dgwood@pacifier.com
Subject: Re: Puch won't idle



I believe someone suggested that you check the carb vent to the tank and
check the tank vent. Next time the bike dies, try starting it with the gas
cap off of the tank. Either that or a clogged fuel filter, dirty petcock
or kinked fuel line can cause the symptoms that you describe.
When it dies, try pouring a little gas down the carb throat. If it starts
back up, then it's a fuel starvation problem.


-Dave



Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:56:22 -0500 (EST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: danny@dreamscape.com
Subject: Re: Honda Elite 50 hop up parts?



On Tue, 11 Nov 1997 gerhart@netusa1.net wrote:

> I have an Elite SR which goes about 37 mph on level ground without wind.
> I would like it to go about 45-50. Probably taller gearing, a tuned
> exhaust system, and righer jetting to go with the tuned exhaust would do
> the trick. I know there are parts sold various places around the world
> to hop up the Honda 50cc two stroke scooters, but I have not found any
> source of such parts in the US, except Hawaii, and the place I contacted
> was not in the business of selling by mail. Does anyone know of a
> reputable mail order place which sells such stuff. Any suggestions on
> where to get these parts would be appreciated.

Vespa Supershop in San Diego should have most of what you want and does
tons of mailorder. I'm pinning down who in Florida has the stuff also.

~ Danny ~

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syracuse ska!! all about scooters!! -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-



Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:01:45 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com
Subject: RE: Mopeds on bike paths


Hi,

I have a Bike Machine. It weighs 12 lbs and bolts to the frame. Runs
flawlessly. Pulls my heavy frame (210 lbs) right along. My nephews and
wife love it. Fun. Engine made by Mitsubushi. About 1.2 hp if memory serves
me correctly. I bought it new about 13 years ago.

Top speed? I dunno. Fast enough though!

Regards,
Marc

marc.bibeault@pko.mts.dec.com



Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:13:13 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com
Subject: RE: re:found you a good deal on mopeds


Mopeds? How about just trying the local "Want Advertiser" or Trader type
weekly publications. In our area there are ***tons*** of mopeds, scooters,
motorcycles, etc, etc, etc, for sale everyday. Why bother dealing with long
distance USED mechandise for what amount to everyday prices. I certainly
wouldn't recommend a long distance purchase + SHIPPING for such a common item
that I would be willing to bet is available locally.

Try the papers. Make a few phone calls and get out to see and TRY a moped
before you buy. There's lots of cheap mopeds around!!!

Regards,

Marc


marc.bibeault@pko.mts.dec.com



Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 09:50:01 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com
Subject: RE: Honda Elite 50 hop up parts?



Hi,

I have an Elite 80. It'll do 48 mph with my heavy (210 lb) butt and it's
running old gas and needs a tune up!!!

It also carries 2 legally - nice benefit, don't you think ;^)

I'd recommend this - enjoy the 50 for what it is, save the modification costs
and eventually trade up to the 80 cc version. Also, the 80 is 4 stroke and
very ( shhhh.... ) _quiet_.

Regards,
Marc

marc.bibeault@pko.mts.dec.com



Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:48:20 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com
Subject: Re: Puch won't idle


Jeff,
Just a thought...though my experience is only on JAWA...check the intake
manifold connection on the cylinder head side. One of the studs on my
JAWA has become stripped and causes an air leak their. Intake manifold
leaks are notoriously more serious at idle.
Chuck



Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:23:30 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Munsoned4U@aol.com
Subject: looking for a cheap bike


I am new to the list and i am just looking for an inexpensive moped. Maybe
one that looks like a Vespa but isn't. I would like to call a dealer or
something but i feel retarded not knowing any of the lingo so if anyone knows
of a bike that looks like a Vespa just tell me. or if anyone has a cheap
moped that lives in california write me back. Thanks a bonch

Mike



Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:50:01 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Dashaun84@aol.com
Subject: Re: Searching for a moped...


Hi Joe there is a pretty new line of mopeds out called Kinetic that cost
around that price range and under.But still they are a new line so we dont
know just how reliable they are.GOOD LUCK



Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:17:42 -0500 (EST)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: 60 cc kit


I didn't get any postings from this ML for three days and started
jonesin'. SO what did I do, I got in my car and drove to Steve's Moped
Shop in Dumont (about 3 hours) and bought a 60 cc kit:cyclinder,
piston,rings,manifold carb,biturbo-the works. It takes a little less than
3 hours to stick in.

Definite performance increase-I'm still corresponding with Steve to sort
some things out-I'll keep you posted on the results and the final word.

Michael Liu



Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:44:37 -0500 (EST)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: speedometer for PUCH Maxi


My 60 cc kit goes faster than 30 mph-not much more this point, it'll
take some tuning. But it did burn out the speedometer on my bike (max of
30).That's actually not a problem.

What I want to know is ARE THERE ARE ANY SPEEDOMETERS THAT WILL WORK WITH
A PUCH MAXI THAT GO UP TO 50 mph???

I am currently using a bicycle digital speedometer so I can see my speed
during the day, but I want a neat analog one with a needle that can keep
track of my total miles plus is backlit? Any ideas???

Michael Liu



Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:27:10 +0100
To: From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: Need advice w/ Tomos shift-speed prob.


Hello ,
At 19:18 11-11-97 -0500, Arthur Goulet (artgoulet@bigfoot.com) wrote:

>Ever since I bought it 2 weeks ago, the moped has had recurring problems
>with the upshift to second gear occurring at about 17-19 mph, which is
>way past the torque peak of the engine in first gear. The result is
>that when starting off the moped from a stop, the engine revs up
>considerably in first gear before finally getting the moped fast enough
>to switch to 2nd gear. However, after passing about 15 mph in first
>gear, further acceleration is very little, and it feels as if the speed
>will "never" get high enough to enable the upshift.

Sounds like the wrong kind of oil to me. We sell about 2-3 Tomoses every
week, and *never* had that problem before!

>This problem was fixed once by the dealer, through a
>"factory-authorized" series of radial cuts in the clutch face, which is
>supposed to improve transmission oil flow through the clutch. It worked
>fine after that, with the upshift occurring around 13-14 mph. That is
>clearly about the best speed to upshift for smooth acceleration to 30
>mph.

I think your dealer stinks.. In my career in repairing Tomos I haven't done
such a repair. The clutch system works fine for us, and lasts at least 2
years of normal use..

>However, another problem developed about 100 miles later, a screw coming
>loose inside the engine that caused it to lock up. That too was fixed,

Of course, it was your dealers fault anyway, that screw obviously wasn't
tightened down enough. It was the M10 nut on the crankshaft holding the
clutch assembly, wasn't it?
Or was it the nut holding the front chainwheel?

>but immediately afterwards, the old upshift-speed problem recurred. In
>addition, the upshift itself happens very slowly, with only a gradual
>settling into 2nd gear. The dealer says that only a new clutch will fix
>the problem (covered under warranty).

Let him replace the clutch, and change the oil afterwards yourself. This
will do the trick for sure.

>The dealer's repair shop seems honest, but I'm wondering just what
>internal device in the engine and transmission controls the speed at
>which the moped upshifts, and is this in any way user-adjustable.

No, it's not adjustable (unless you swap the two springs that is).
The Tomos is fitted with two sets of clutches with three shoes. These shoes
are held together with a spring. If the engine revs up, the shoes are
gradually pushed outward. If they used a 2nd gear spring in the 1st gear
clutch, you'll have the same trouble as with wrong oil.

>Frankly, I can't see what the clutch face has to do with it; the clutch
>seems to work fine from a standing start.

>In addition, I wonder whether the characteristics of the transmission
>oil might affect the upshift speed. The manual calls for DEXRON Type A,
>and I presume that's what the dealer uses.

Do not guess, be sure. Drain the oil by unsrewing the bolt underneath the
engine (spanner size 13). Turn the drain plug back in. Unscrew the little
plug (philips screw) on the left hand side of the engine this is the level
plug. Unscrew the filler plug on top of the engine (spanner size 13). Fill
with the oil (ATF Dexron) untill oil emerges from the little plug hole.

Cheers,



Hans Hartman



Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:38:26 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: UPURZ@webtv.net
Subject: Jawa Super Sport


I am looking for late model - new or like new super sport Jawa.



Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 16:47:00 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com
Subject: RE: looking for a cheap bike


to Mike, (Munsoned4U@aol.com)

Pls provide a little more insight regarding wanting a moped "...one that looks
like a Vespa but isn't". Do you mean you're looking for a 'vintage' moped or
actually a scooter with a metal body? or a newer version of a scooter like a
Honda scooter or a Yamaha scooter (these have plastic bodies) that may be
either 2 or 4 cycle.

Probably most important: Where do you plan to travel on it? What speeds?
How much capacity is needed (1 or 2 people), what is the budget for this? etc,
etc... Do you have any mechanical experience with engines, etc?

I'm sure you'll get plenty of input!!!

Regards,
Marc




Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:58:02 PST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: britton14@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: NEED MOPED!!!! Will pay $250!!


sorry, but i can't pay more than $250 for it.

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> > >i have a 1992 mopet, locally made moped with a sachs engine. it has
2000
>miles on it, but is in better than average condition. has new rear tire
and
>tube, is black in color. asking $495.00
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:05:35 +0100
To: From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject: Re: Puch won't idle




----------
| Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
| Aan: Moped Mailing List | Onderwerp: Puch won't idle
| Datum: dinsdag 11 november 1997 18:40
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:45:51 -0500
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: jcoplanj@brookings.net
| Subject: Puch won't idle
|
|
| OK---
|
| I have the 77 puch maxi that won't idle.
|
| I put a different carburetor on it (from another maxi)
| and that didn't do anything for me.
|
| I took the petcock out and cleaned that all out
| and that didn't do anything for me.
|
| This means the problem is not in the fuel line
| and it is not in the carb, right?
|
| It's not in the air intake, because I ran similar
| tests on it without the air filter on and it didn't
| make any difference.
|
| Exhaust is clean.
|
| I'm positive it's not electrical or points or any junk
| like that.
|
| Where else could it be?

outof gas ?

|
| It will run if I give it gas-usually.
| Sometimes it will not start (or only start after trying
| a ton).
|
| Sometimes it will run for a while (three times it has run for
| almost exactly a quarter of a mile every time)

strangely always From home ? ;) never to..

about 5 minutes.
| And then it won't start again.
|
| HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP
|
| I know everyone is getting tired of hearing about this stupid
| moped but I bought this thing and paid over $200 for it and
| now the damn thing is going to run if it's the last thing
| that I do before I go six feet under.
|
| Thanks
|
| Jeff Coplan
|
|
|
Hi Jeff,
mopi trouble again.mmm bad.
but as you found out youselve it must be ignition,
standard answer,
change plugs (even if it looks ok), adjust timing , point gap and it must
be running. but in this case it could also be the capacitor too, it loads
or warms up and stops functioning ?, also loose contacts (behind the
flywheel #@$#@$) could happen (not that often , you never know)
if you managed to use a 'spare' carb from some one maybe you may even use
his/ her ignition for an hour ? put it on and i think it runs like before
(check timing after interchange).

never checked timing ? next time..

Bye, Peter.

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:56:57 +0100
To: From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject: Re: soup-up engine kits for peds




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| Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
| Aan: Moped Mailing List | Onderwerp: soup-up engine kits for peds
| Datum: dinsdag 11 november 1997 18:40
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 01:11:14 -0500 (EST)
| To: Andrei Zaitsev | From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
| Subject: soup-up engine kits for peds
|
|
| I'm seriously thinking about souping up my PUCH with one of those crazy
| kits. I know they cost more than twice what my moped originally cost, and
| I could almost get a used motorcycle for that amount of money.
|
| I was wondering the following:
|
| WHat is the actual increase in performance-not in cc or hp, but top
speed?
|
| What is the subsequent decrease in gas mileage?
|
| Is it structurally OK to use this for extended periods of time. Mopeds
| weren't made to withstand tons of abuse!
|
| Anyone who has actual experience with one of these kits, I would like to
| know your opinions and if you have any recommendations.
|
| Thanx.
|
| Michael Liu
|
Hi m.
you want real answers:
-it is not only the money you spend on the purchace, but afterward it also
ticks and tick , more speed = more miles in one hour = more petrol in an
hour = more wear and tear in one hour etc.

-depends on every thing...

- think in factor twice or some thing (nice yanking sound costs a lot of
dripps)

- nope you knew it !

-- i once had a 70cc kreidlercyl. /carb put on the maxi and after a few
months the wheels were out of line (permanent) but it run like hell ;)
only right corners became harder and harder while the left (always my
favourite) got smoother and smoother strange ah.

picture : -----xxxxxx_____ (get it ?)

why not do a moderate porting job , costs nothing initialy, can't be seen
from outside, and makes a lot of fun.

Bye, Peter.

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:37:15 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: JoeVR5@aol.com
Subject: Mopedd wantedd


I am looking for a moped in Northern Virginia that is under $342.67. I am
not a very good mechanic, I would like it in running condition. I almost
closed a deal on a Targa, but another person outbidded me for it. Will
someone please help me out?

-Joe



Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:43:38 -0500 (EST)
To: <199711130132.TAA04312@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: soup-up engine kits for peds


moderate porting job??

How. As you guys know, I already bought a 60 cc kit. I noticed the piston
got some holes near the crown. I think four. The cyclinder also has some
crazy ass ports on it too. The piston also only has one ring.

Does anybody know a good book on all this theoretical stuff? It sure would
help.

Is my carb supposed to stick out at a 45 degree angle

FRONT OF BIKE
CARB
. F
. F
.F
.

F
F

Is it supposed to be on an incline of about 15 degrees-it seems to me the
float would be screwed up. It also prevents my fairing from going on. Is
this normal?


Michael Liu



Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:47:58 -0800
To: artgoulet@bigfoot.com
From: agoulet@flash.net
Subject: Surprising fix for Tomos upshift-speed problem!


I can't believe the terrific outpouring of mail I've received on my
Tomos upshift problem, almost all of which had very useful suggestions!
Many, many thanks for the very detailed help you gave me. Please pardon
this "generic" response, but it's the only way I can practically respond
to all of you and all of the questions you asked.

You may be interested to learn that I have since solved the upshift
problem on my own, without the dealer's intervention; it turned out
exactly according to the advice I received from several of you who urged
me to check and make SURE the correct oil was in the transmission. Sure
enough, the dealer had filled the transmission case with MOTOR oil! Not
being able to find any Type A Suffix A fluid around here, I drained the
motor oil and replaced it with 220 cc of synthetic DEXRON MERCON auto
trans oil, and presto -- a properly-functioning moped! The shift point
is now a satisfying 14 mph, although the transition from first to second
gear is still not quite as firm and quick as I'd like. Occasionally,
the upshift feels more solid if I use only a part-throttle acceleration,
as one of you suggested, but most often it seems the other way around,
with the best shift occurring under full-throttle acceleration.

One of you wrote that I should shop around until I found regular (not
synthetic) Type A Suffix A fluid, as it seems to work best. This person
also very kindly offered to mail me a quart if I couldn't find it
(thanks!). First, I'll call around to see if I can locate some locally.

For the benefit of any readers who may have occasion to use the dealer
where I bought the bike, I'll mention the name: Burbank Kawasaki, in
Burbank, CA. Avoid them for reparing mopeds (but I think they may be
the ONLY Tomos dealer in the L.A. area). They work mostly on
motorcycles, and very rarely sell a moped -- mopeds are practically
unknown in the Los Angeles area where I live now (recently moved from
Maryland, near Wash. DC).

By the way, I paid $800 cash for the new (1995) Tomos Targa, after quite
a bit of bargaining -- plus a $45 "documentation fee" (but not including
sales tax, registration, or insurance costs). They showed me what I
think is the real invoice for the moped, listing a wholesale price of
$645, so the markup seems reasonable.

Years ago, I owned a 1976 Motobecane moped that gave me years of good
service until it was stolen. Earrlier, during the 1960's, I drove a
Lambretta 125cc (later a 150cc) motorscooter -- including one long
cross-country drive of about 1,850 miles in 5 days, from Miami FL to
Hartford CT via a low-speed route (I was being chased up the East Coast
by an approaching hurricane). More recently, I drove a Honda Shadow 500
motorcycle, but concluded after watching motorcycle drivers here in L.A.
that it was insanity to bring it with me on my move from the DC area
last January.

Now, while awaiting the delivery of a new car on special order from the
factory, I'm finally and happily back to a moped. Here in the San
Fernando Valley (western part of L.A.), the streets are very wide, often
with bike lanes which mopeds here are allowed to use; and street speed
limits on most streets are 35 mph, so I feel reasonably safe riding it
around here. Also, drivers in the Valley are generally pretty courteous
(until they get on the freeway, where I can't go anyway, and they turn
into maniacs). But I do take every possible precaution -- extra-careful
driving, plus white-color moped, leather jacket, helmet, a bunch of
reflectors and reflective tape all over the bike, and a flashing red
bike light glued to my helmet, aimed rearward.

Now that I've solved the upshift problem with your help, I just noticed
another minor anomaly: I've been suspicious of the extraordinary gas
mileage I've been getting -- 220 mpg! So I recently checked the
odometer along a walking route that I often take, which I know is 1.1
miles long, as measured by two cars. The Tomos odometer shows the same
route as 1.7 miles, or about 50% higher! Any suggestions on the
odometer, anyone? Seems as if the odometer was designed for a larger
wheel.

However, even though I haven't measured the SPEEDometer's accuracy yet,
I think that the indicated SPEEDS (not mileage) are about right, judging
from the traffic around me and my own perception of the moped's speed.
Sounds weird to have the odometer 50% high and the speedometer
registering normally at the same time. By the way, my top speed on
level without wind is an indicated 33-34 mph, and it cruises nicely at
30-32 mph with 3/4 throttle, which is where I tend to keep it. That 2nd
gear really does help the tiny engine achieve a little more speed than
it would get otherwise.

Once again, thanks, group! Absolutely *every one* of your suggestions
was excellent, and I learned a lot about other things to watch out for.
Most of all, I was hugely impressed by the warmth and kindly spirit of
many of the letters.


Two more questions for anyone that has the information:

1. Has anyone found any bargain rates for insurance? I've had no
accidents or violations in 28 years, and I currently pay about $260/year
to State Farm for 100,000/300,000 liability and $100-deductible
comprehensive on the moped. Seems high, but all insurance in L.A. is
high to begin with.

2. What is your estimate of a typical life span (in miles and/or years)
of a Tomos moped, given normal care and maintenance?

Arthur Goulet
artgoulet@bigfoot.com



Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:20:42 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Need advice w/ Tomos shift-speed prob.


In a message dated 97-11-11 23:51:29 EST, you write:

<< Frankly, I can't see what the clutch face has to do with it; the clutch
seems to work fine from a standing start. >>
In Tomas A35 engine/transmission packages (the Targa and Targa LX use the A35
engine) there are two centrifugal (sp?) clutches. One clutch engages first
gear from idle, the second clutch engages second gear. The problem could be
only in the second gear centrifugal clutch.



Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:22:42 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust


In a message dated 97-11-12 00:20:32 EST, you write:

<< Question, Does it run better since the exhaust came loose? >>
Yes, it seems to have just a little better hole shot. Not so much an
increase in speed, but it gets to speed faster.



Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:36:08 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Munsoned4U@aol.com
Subject: looking for a vespa look a like


I guess i am looking for a bike that looks like a vespa. A two seater that
will just get me around town. I guess i could spend around 225 on one. I
don't have much engine experience but i have friends. I don't care about
plastic or metal. I don't even know the difference. Thanks for helping a
novice.

Mike



Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:19:03 +0100
To: From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject: Re: soup-up engine kits for peds




----------
| Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
| Aan: Moped Mailing List | Onderwerp: Re: soup-up engine kits for peds
| Datum: donderdag 13 november 1997 2:43
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:43:38 -0500 (EST)
| To: <199711130132.TAA04312@mail.valuenet.net> | From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
| Subject: Re: soup-up engine kits for peds
|
|
| moderate porting job??
|
| How. As you guys know, I already bought a 60 cc kit. I noticed the piston
| got some holes near the crown. I think four. The cyclinder also has some
| crazy ass ports on it too. The piston also only has one ring.
|
mm you got the finest crafts can make, yamma yamma

| Does anybody know a good book on all this theoretical stuff? It sure
would
| help.
|
ets weegt en onderhoudsloos is, jammer dat dit onverenigbaar is met de
PRAKTIJK.

DEEL II

De Beperkingen

DEEL III

Kleine verbeteringen



The original port lay out,


And after a little work on it

D3 and D4 max 33% of the bore, the exhaust height 30 -45 % of stroke, all
channels are preferably polished

DEEL IV

Het grotere werk

Probeer de volgende boeken te pakken te krijgen :




•1. J.M. Desantes, F.Boada, J.M. Corbearán, "Exhaust Pipe Design Method for
the Optimization of the Scavenging Process"
•2. Shigeru Onishi, Souk Hong Jo, Pan Do Jo, Satoshi Kato, "Multi-Layer
Stratified Scavegning (MULS) -A New Scavenging Method for Two Stroke
Engine"
•3. John Robinson, "Motorcycle Tuning"
•4. A.Graham Bell, "Performance Tuning in Theory & Practice"
•5. Roy Bacon, "Two Stroke Exhaust Systems" in fact all roy bacon's books i
can advice !
•6. Noriyuki Hata, Takeo Fujita, Noritaka Matsuo (Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd.)
"Modification of Two-Stroke Engine Intake System for Improvments of Fuel
Consumption and Performance through the Yamaha Energy Induction System
(YEIS)"
•7. D.S. Sandborn, W.M. Roeder, "Single Cycle Simulation Simplifies
Scavenging Study"
•8. A. Jante, "Scavenging Flow Ducts of 3-Cylinder Two-Stroke Cycle
Engines"
•9. E.Bratt, "Praktisk Flygteknik"
•10. Gordon .P. Blair, "Design & Simulation of Two-Stroke Engines"


| Is my carb supposed to stick out at a 45 degree angle

don't know depends on the manifolt, when it is a serious problem with it
you could consider making one your own..

|
| FRONT OF BIKE
| CARB
| . F
| . F
| .F
| .
|
| F
| F
|
| Is it supposed to be on an incline of about 15 degrees-it seems to me the
| float would be screwed up. It also prevents my fairing from going on. Is
| this normal?
|
15 degrees normaly is no problem , only act on it as problems occur , ex.
when driving up / down hill.
the plastic covers mostly don't fit any more but are bendable with some
heat , or just remove a part what is in the collision area with the new
parts.


Bye, Peter.

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| Michael Liu
|
|



Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:52:05 +0100
To: From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust




----------
| Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
| Aan: Moped Mailing List | Onderwerp: Re: Targa Exhaust
| Datum: donderdag 13 november 1997 17:36
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:22:42 -0500 (EST)
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: AaronM428@aol.com
| Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust
|
|
| In a message dated 97-11-12 00:20:32 EST, you write:
|
| << Question, Does it run better since the exhaust came loose? >> |
| Yes, it seems to have just a little better hole shot. Not so much an
| increase in speed, but it gets to speed faster.
|
|
You just prooved that you exhaust is filty , or too small by design for good
moped performance.....
peter.



Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:04:39 +0100
To: artgoulet@bigfoot.com
From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: Tomos shift-speed prob. - followup


Hello Arthur, fellow mopedeers,
At 22:50 12-11-97 -0800, you wrote:

>I can't thank you enough for your detailed and knowledgable response!

You did just that...

>Please see my general reply I posted today on alt.scooter regarding the
>fix I did myself on the upshift-speed problem. In that post I also
>comment on other suggestions from other respondents.
> >The problem was exactly as you surmised -- they had put MOTOR OIL into
>the transmission!

No suprise...

>1. The speedometer seems to read correctly, but the ODOMETER reads
>about 50% high on mileage -- that's a lot! Have you encountered that
>before? Also, what's the best lubricant to use on the speedo cable?
>It's making a bit of noise as it turns.

I have the distinct feeling that Tomos (being low-budget and all) use the
same clocks in US as in Europe. Problem is, you can adjust the speedometer
with just minor changes (a scale with miles instead of kilometers) but for
the odometer they'd need to change the gear inside. My bet is, they
didn't.... How much is a Mile in Kilometers? Exactly....

>> >This problem was fixed once by the dealer, through a
>> >"factory-authorized" series of radial cuts in the clutch face, which is
>> >supposed to improve transmission oil flow through the clutch.
> >> I think your dealer stinks.. In my career in repairing Tomos I haven't done
>> such a repair. The clutch system works fine for us, and lasts at least 2
>> years of normal use..
> >2. I see I wasn't saying it quite correctly, then -- I thought it was
>an oil-bath clutch. If the clutch itself is not an oil-bath type, just
>what parts of the transmission are being bathed in oil -- just the
>gears?

You said it correctly allright. The clutches do run in oilbath..

>Anyway, do you know whether the cuts in the clutch pads that they did
>were indeed a standard factory-authorized procedure?

No, haven't heard that one before.. I think they lie, the factory would
admit in this way that they goofed up. They will never do that (no factory
in it's right mind does that) They'd sooner blame the oil...

>I'm surprised that
>the clutch gives only about 2 years of service before presumably needing
>new pads. That seems like a short life. How much should I expect that

I said at least... I've seen Tomoses with 2000 Kilometers on it with
completely worn clutches, and some with 15 years of age with good clutches
in them. (although rare)

>repair to cost when it comes due? And in view of what you said, should

Over here that's about 100 Dollars...

>I expect my now-modified clutch to last even less time than that, and
>should I ask for (or demand) a clutch replacement? Do you think that my
>running the moped for a few hundred miles with motor oil in the
>transmission is likely to have damaged it any, or is likely to cause
>premature failure in the future? I'm more than a bit surprised to find

No damage I can think of. I would however let them change the clutch at any
rate..

>that the dealer filled the transmission case with motor oil (something
>that he claims is also authorized by the factory rep -- hard to
>believe).

Damn liers...

>> Of course, it was your dealers fault anyway, that screw obviously wasn't
>> tightened down enough. It was the M10 nut on the crankshaft holding the
>> clutch assembly, wasn't it?
>> Or was it the nut holding the front chainwheel?
> >Don't know which one it is, but he said he put Lock-Tite liquid onto it
>this time. Hope it holds. Fortunately, it locked up only after a run
>when I tried to restart it, and not during a run.

yes, Loctite is very adequate indeed. We don't use that. It works fine, but
it can be a hell of a job to get the clutch of again, it's like glueing the
nut to the shaft..

>> Let him replace the clutch, and change the oil afterwards yourself. This
>> will do the trick for sure.

>Well, I did my part at least, in changing the oil myself, and I'm glad I
>did! However, now that the moped is shifting properly with the new oil
>in it, the dealer isn't likely to be willing to replace the clutch now.
>If I were sneaky, I could put the motor oil back in there, not say
>anything about the "fix" I had done, and then have him replace the
>clutch as he suggested earlier.

That's not sneaky, serves them right...

>3. I couldn't find Type A Suffix A fluid in the auto parts stores I
>went to, so I used synthetic DEXRON MERCON fluid. One of the
>respondents to my original posting said that it was worth looking hard
>for the Type A Suffix A stuff, because it worked better than MERCON
>fluid. Also, he said that ordinary transmission fluid worked better
>than synthetic fluid, giving more positive upshifts and even enabling a
>slightly higher top speed (presumably because of lower internal
>friction?). Can you confirm or comment on any of that information?

I can't believe that. Synthetic oil is normally better then mineral oil.
Especially better in keeping up the oil-film under strong friction.

>4. If they used a 2nd gear spring in the 1st gear clutch, I would
>expect very slow engagement of first gear from a standing start, right?

Right.

>Just how does the upshift take place in the transmission? When the 2nd
>gear clutch pushes outward and grabs around 14 mph, how does the first
>gear and its clutch let go?

Because of a third (one way) roller clutch on the mainshaft..

>5. The only owner's manual I got was a very brief (6 pages?)
>Sprint-model booklet (not the Targa, which I bought), but which the
>dealer said was virtually identical to the Targa booklet. The booklet,
>however, is very short and doesn't even say a word about how to start
>the moped. Did I get everything that I was supposed to get in the way
>of instruction manuals?

yes..The Targa has oil injection which the Sprint hasn't. Engines are the
same..

>6. Where can I buy a shop manual that covers the entire machine,
>including the body?

Haynes Publishing Group
861 Lawrence drive
Newbury park
California 91320 USA

They make good, comprehensive manuals and did have a book on Tomos..

>7. What is the typical life expectancy of a Tomos moped (in miles
>and/or years), assuming reasonable maintenance and care?

An average of five years in my experience. After a major overhaul (clutch,
mainshaft, rebore of cylinder and new crankshaft bearings) it might do
another five years.

>Sorry to bother you with all this, but your first reply was so helpful!
>Once again, please reply directly by email when you can, if it's
>convenient for you. Thanks!

No more convenient then mailing to the list, it;s the same drill..
I CC'd it to the list too, some other Tomos owners might want to read this?


Cheers,



Hans Hartman



Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:44:59 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ANDOVER@aol.com
Subject: TOMOS and New Puch odometers read in kilometers!


Moped Greetings!

TOMOS and New Puch odometers read in kilometers! The speedometer unit is
intended for european usage and then a overlay modifys it so that on this
side of the pond we can use the TOMOS and New Puch Moped with miles per hour
indicated. But this does not solve the odometer problem. When buying or
selling a TOMOS and New Puch Moped be aware that that what ever the odometer
indicates it is overstated if you think it is in miles! The conversion is to
multiply what is indicated by .625. So if you see 1000 on the odometer then
it is really 625 Miles.

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:04:44 -0600
To: "Mailing List" From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject: re: Tomos odometer


> Hans Hartman wrote:
> I have the distinct feeling that Tomos (being low-budget and all) use the
> same clocks in US as in Europe. Problem is, you can adjust the
speedometer
> with just minor changes (a scale with miles instead of kilometers) but
for
> the odometer they'd need to change the gear inside. My bet is, they
> didn't....
That hits the spot!

Manual says that speedo is in mph, but odometer is in kilometeres - but
I couldn't understand why would they do a weird thing like that.
Now your explanation cleared that up!

Andrew



Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:42:55 -0600
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" From: mathisj@william.jewell.edu
Subject: RE: Tomos shift-speed prob. - followup



> I have the distinct feeling that Tomos (being low-budget and all) use
> the
> same clocks in US as in Europe. Problem is, you can adjust the
> speedometer
> with just minor changes (a scale with miles instead of kilometers) but
> for
> the odometer they'd need to change the gear inside. My bet is, they
> didn't.... How much is a Mile in Kilometers? Exactly....
> One kilometer = .621 mile

and

One mile = 1.609 km



Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:01:40 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Surprising fix for Tomos upshift-speed problem!


In a message dated 97-11-14 00:24:22 EST, you write:

<< One of you wrote that I should shop around until I found regular (not
synthetic) Type A Suffix A fluid, as it seems to work best. This person
also very kindly offered to mail me a quart if I couldn't find it
(thanks!). First, I'll call around to see if I can locate some locally.
>>
About this, I found Type A Suffix A fluid in the most unlikely of places,
Rite Aid. The fluid is labeled as "Sunoco Multi-Purpose ATF DEXRON-III
MERCON Automatic Transmission Fluid", so I suppose you could also find it at
a Sunoco gas station. Though it says DEXRON-III, MERCON on the front, the
back label that it is 100% comaptible (sp?) with a number of different
fluids, including Type A Suffix A fluid. It works fine, no shift problems at
all (just that pesky ignition coil, but that's another letter.)



Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:08:27 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust


In a message dated 97-11-14 04:32:02 EST, you write:

<< You just prooved that you exhaust is filty , or too small by design for
good
moped performance.....
peter.
>> OK then, How do I clean a Biturbo pipe? I know for certain that it has no
baffle tube inside, and that it cannot be taken apart. Perhaps running high
pressure air through it?



Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:13:16 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tomos shift-speed prob. - followup


In a message dated 97-11-14 10:45:37 EST, you write:
<< >1. The speedometer seems to read correctly, but the ODOMETER reads
>about 50% high on mileage -- that's a lot! Have you encountered that
>before? Also, what's the best lubricant to use on the speedo cable?
>It's making a bit of noise as it turns.

I have the distinct feeling that Tomos (being low-budget and all) use the
same clocks in US as in Europe. Problem is, you can adjust the speedometer
with just minor changes (a scale with miles instead of kilometers) but for
the odometer they'd need to change the gear inside. My bet is, they
didn't.... How much is a Mile in Kilometers? Exactly.... >>
All Tomos Mopeds sold in America register speed in Miles Per Hour, but
measure distance in Kilometers. It says so in the manual that should have
come with the bike. (Title: TOMOS Maintenance Manual & Instruction Book; Sprint, Targa, Targa LX.) It is a 17 page booklet that is about 4 inches
tall by 8 inches wide that covers routine maintenance.


Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:11:38 +0100
To: From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust




----------
| Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
| Aan: Moped Mailing List | Onderwerp: Re: Targa Exhaust
| Datum: vrijdag 14 november 1997 19:13
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:08:27 -0500 (EST)
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: AaronM428@aol.com
| Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust
|
|
| In a message dated 97-11-14 04:32:02 EST, you write:
|
| << You just prooved that you exhaust is filty , or too small by design
for
| good
| moped performance.....
| peter.
| >> | OK then, How do I clean a Biturbo pipe? I know for certain that it has
no
| baffle tube inside, and that it cannot be taken apart. Perhaps running
high
| pressure air through it?
to blow out the smoke ? :)
|
|
i'm not that familiar with a biturbo but does it have a carbonfiber back
end or all steel, in the last case you can burn it out. (does the looks no
good !) (take it apart from your moped !!! (you would not be the first one
))
the easiest always works job is to put a iron wire (with or w/o pickels)
(or a bundle) from front to end and keep shuffeling with it until nothing
comes out any more (or put the bundel in the head of a drill and swing it
around).
if your very handy you can even customise you exhaust ;) make a tuned
expansion pipe.... good sound included .....way over the 95Db limit here...

what diameter does the exhaust connection to the manifold have (at the
cylinder)? this can be the 'design' problem.

or is the gasket blocking a part of the opening ?


Bye, Peter.

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Email : staal@concepts.nl
Homepages:
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
http://home.westbrabant.net/~staal/
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:36:54 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: JoeVR5@aol.com
Subject: Re: 60 cc kit


how much does the 60cc kit cost?

Joe



Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:21:43 -0800
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: catrinus.j.wallet@exgate.tek.com
Subject: Testi Moped Info Sought


Some time ago I posted a plea for help in identifying
data on my Gitane Confort Lux moped from the early
70's (guessing). Most of the replies indicated that Gitane
didn't make a moped and I thought I was at a dead end.
Recently, I found this mention in Hugo Wilson's
the "Encyclopedia of the Motorcycle", published in 1995:

Gitane c. 1947-1980 Until the 1960's this bicycle
manufacturer built mopeds and motorcycles using
100cc to 175cc VAP, Ydral, and Sachs engines. In
the 1970's it sold a 40cc Italian Testi with a Gitane
label, but this ended when Renault took over the company
in 1980. (Emphasis added).

So I'm getting close! Who knows somethings about Testi
mopeds, and are parts still available? Again, the engine
is a "Motori Minarelli" with a Dellorto carb.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me!

You can reply to the group or you can write me directly
at catrinus.wallet@juno.com

Catrinus Wallet
Portland, OR, USA



Date: 15 Nov 1997 08:08:46 -0800
To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" From: WILMET@SAFECO.com
Subject: speedometer for PUCH Maxi


To @REPLY J.C.Whitney sells aftermarket speedometers for a pretty reasonable price. They read up to 150mph though. This may disturb people checking out your moped when it's parked.
Bill Metteer-moped owner

To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N 11-12-97 4:15p
FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net
*************************************************
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:44:37 -0500 (EST)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: speedometer for PUCH Maxi

My 60 cc kit goes faster than 30 mph-not much more this point, it'll take some tuning. But it did burn out the speedometer on my bike (max of 30).That's actually not a problem.

What I want to know is ARE THERE ARE ANY SPEEDOMETERS THAT WILL WORK WITH A PUCH MAXI THAT GO UP TO 50 mph???

I am currently using a bicycle digital speedometer so I can see my speed during the day, but I want a neat analog one with a needle that can keep track of my total miles plus is backlit? Any ideas???

Michael Liu


Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:34:54 -0500 (EST)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT


This place is no joke. It's about 2 hours from the GW bridge. It's about
1 north of Bridgeport.

I saw over 100 mopeds!!!!!!

OVER ONE HUNDERED MOPEDS!!!!!

The actual space of the store is not that big, but no joke-over 100
mopeds. Most of them were new TOMOS Targas and LXs for rock bottom prices.
They also have the Kinetics for $699!!! I checked them out-the quality
doesn't seem that bad. Also-he had some non-working mopeds from $100-200.
I saw Jawas, PUCHS, Motebecanes, a JC Penny, some other crazy brands too.
This guy is no joke. Oh-there were also 3 scooters, 3 minibikes, and parts
up the ying-yang. This guy had chain guards for my maxi-luxe. He had MOPED
SEATS, he had forks, he had carbs. If you wanna buy a new moped-this guys
got the deals on Kinetics and TOMOS.

Personally, I almost bought 2 non-working TOMOS for a rock bottom price,
to fix it up. But I have 3 exams in the next 2 weeks-and it would only
serve to distract me. Make no bones-I am going back during my vacation to
get some beaters and fix them. If you are on the East Coast- this guy
deserves a shot!!!!!

Michael Liu


Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:39:10 -0500 (EST)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: THe Moped Center in Farmingville CT


This guy has about 15 or so mopeds. He sells used ones too for under $500
with guraentees. I saw used (and working)bikes from TOMOS, Puegot,
Motobecane, and LASER plus a few others I don't recall. He's got PUCH
parts up his ying-yang as well as others.

He has the damn asbestos cord that goes in the muffler!!!
This guy has them!!!!

He also had this neat fuel guage that works on any moped. He had a few
other things too that I bought.

This guy isn't too far from Waterbury and if you are in CT looking for
mopeds, he isn't too far out of the way.

Michael Liu


Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:31:16 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ACassin105@aol.com
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust


MY FRIEND DOES THE SAME THING ON HIS TARGA FOR SOUND THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT
AND COOL . HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 3 YEARS AND HAS NEVER HAD A PROBLEM OR SIDE
AFECT FROM THIS.


Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:55:11 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ACassin105@aol.com
Subject: Re: Need advice w/ Tomos shift-speed prob.


THERE ARE TWO ATOMATIC CLUTCHES IN 2-SPEED TRANSMISSIONS FOR BOTH GEARS.


Date: 15 Nov 1997 08:08:46 -0800
To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" From: WILMET@SAFECO.com
Subject: speedometer for PUCH Maxi


To @REPLY J.C.Whitney sells aftermarket speedometers for a pretty reasonable price. They read up to 150mph though. This may disturb people checking out your moped when it's parked.
Bill Metteer-moped owner

To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N 11-12-97 4:15p
FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net
*************************************************
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:44:37 -0500 (EST)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: speedometer for PUCH Maxi

My 60 cc kit goes faster than 30 mph-not much more this point, it'll take some tuning. But it did burn out the speedometer on my bike (max of 30).That's actually not a problem.

What I want to know is ARE THERE ARE ANY SPEEDOMETERS THAT WILL WORK WITH A PUCH MAXI THAT GO UP TO 50 mph???

I am currently using a bicycle digital speedometer so I can see my speed during the day, but I want a neat analog one with a needle that can keep track of my total miles plus is backlit? Any ideas???

Michael Liu


Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:34:54 -0500 (EST)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT


This place is no joke. It's about 2 hours from the GW bridge. It's about
1 north of Bridgeport.

I saw over 100 mopeds!!!!!!

OVER ONE HUNDERED MOPEDS!!!!!

The actual space of the store is not that big, but no joke-over 100
mopeds. Most of them were new TOMOS Targas and LXs for rock bottom prices.
They also have the Kinetics for $699!!! I checked them out-the quality
doesn't seem that bad. Also-he had some non-working mopeds from $100-200.
I saw Jawas, PUCHS, Motebecanes, a JC Penny, some other crazy brands too.
This guy is no joke. Oh-there were also 3 scooters, 3 minibikes, and parts
up the ying-yang. This guy had chain guards for my maxi-luxe. He had MOPED
SEATS, he had forks, he had carbs. If you wanna buy a new moped-this guys
got the deals on Kinetics and TOMOS.

Personally, I almost bought 2 non-working TOMOS for a rock bottom price,
to fix it up. But I have 3 exams in the next 2 weeks-and it would only
serve to distract me. Make no bones-I am going back during my vacation to
get some beaters and fix them. If you are on the East Coast- this guy
deserves a shot!!!!!

Michael Liu


Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:39:10 -0500 (EST)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: THe Moped Center in Farmingville CT


This guy has about 15 or so mopeds. He sells used ones too for under $500
with guraentees. I saw used (and working)bikes from TOMOS, Puegot,
Motobecane, and LASER plus a few others I don't recall. He's got PUCH
parts up his ying-yang as well as others.

He has the damn asbestos cord that goes in the muffler!!!
This guy has them!!!!

He also had this neat fuel guage that works on any moped. He had a few
other things too that I bought.

This guy isn't too far from Waterbury and if you are in CT looking for
mopeds, he isn't too far out of the way.

Michael Liu


Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:31:16 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ACassin105@aol.com
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust


MY FRIEND DOES THE SAME THING ON HIS TARGA FOR SOUND THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT
AND COOL . HE HAS DONE THIS FOR 3 YEARS AND HAS NEVER HAD A PROBLEM OR SIDE
AFECT FROM THIS.


Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:55:11 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ACassin105@aol.com
Subject: Re: Need advice w/ Tomos shift-speed prob.


THERE ARE TWO ATOMATIC CLUTCHES IN 2-SPEED TRANSMISSIONS FOR BOTH GEARS.


Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:22:03 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: daniel59@fast.net
Subject: Mopeds in Bethlehem,PA

Great site. I have two mopeds, an older Batavus Starflite HS, made in
1980, which was not used until two years ago, and therefore is in like
new condition, as well as a two year old Kinetic TFR. Both run great
and are a blast to ride. Attached you will find photos of the older
Batavus, which you may use on your gallery if you wish. Good luck-
Dan Schwartzman daniel59@fast.net Bethlehem, PA

ANDREW: The pictures are here:
/d/moped/batavus1.jpg
/d/moped/batavus2.jpg
Beautiful bike, btw :)


Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:11:09 -0000
To: From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: used mopeds and scooters


wanted: used mopeds and scooters, for sale, in the southern ohio and
northern kentucky area. must be in good resaleable condition. email or
call with information, brennan@ramlink.net or 614-533-2266

thanks, tony


Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:08:59 -0500 (EST)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: registering a moped


Any New Yorkers out there? I need some advice.

The moped I currently have, I bought used from someone who had what is
called a transferable registration, so transfering it to me upon sale was
no problem for the DMV.

However, I know it is rare to find a moped with papers. I am thinking of
buying a used moped, what is the process (if one exists) for registering a
moped with no papers (but with the VIN on a metal plate on the bike) in
the state of New York?

Michael Liu


Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:46:34 -0500 (EST)
To: <199711171739.LAA19407@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: speedometer for PUCH Maxi


I saw the JC whitney ones-It's not a big deal to hook up any old
speedometer if the cable fits-but the problem is the calibration. The
chances are that a motorcycle speedometer was calibrated for a different
drive and thus a wheel with a different radius. Sure-the speedometer will
work but will it indicated the correct speed? Has anybody had experience
with JC Whitney speedometers on a PUCH?


Michael Liu

On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: 15 Nov 1997 08:08:46 -0800
> To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" > From: WILMET@SAFECO.com
> Subject: speedometer for PUCH Maxi
> > > To @REPLY > J.C.Whitney sells aftermarket speedometers for a pretty reasonable price. They read up to 150mph though. This may disturb people checking out your moped when it's parked.
> Bill Metteer-moped owner
> > To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER From @INET (HO) Type N 11-12-97 4:15p
> FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net
> *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:44:37 -0500 (EST)
> To: Andrei Zaitsev > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
> Subject: speedometer for PUCH Maxi
> > My 60 cc kit goes faster than 30 mph-not much more this point, it'll take some tuning. But it did burn out the speedometer on my bike (max of 30).That's actually not a problem.
> > What I want to know is ARE THERE ARE ANY SPEEDOMETERS THAT WILL WORK WITH A PUCH MAXI THAT GO UP TO 50 mph???
> > I am currently using a bicycle digital speedometer so I can see my speed during the day, but I want a neat analog one with a needle that can keep track of my total miles plus is backlit? Any ideas???
> > Michael Liu
> >

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:53:14 -0600
To: From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject: Fw: moped bolts


-------- reply to wacomm -------
Can you tell me what size/type bolts I need for an '81 Puch muffler?

Thanks, Daniel



Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:06:10 -0600
To: From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject: Re: speedometer for PUCH Maxi


------- reply to mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu ------
I saw the JC whitney ones-It's not a big deal to hook up any old
speedometer if the cable fits-but the problem is the calibration. The
chances are that a motorcycle speedometer was calibrated for a different
drive and thus a wheel with a different radius. Sure-the speedometer will
work but will it indicated the correct speed? Has anybody had experience
with JC Whitney speedometers on a PUCH?

Michael Liu


Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:17:31 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust


In a message dated 97-11-15 03:55:07 EST, you write:

<< 95Db limit here >>
Wow! Here in the states, we are limited (supposedly, no one cares really) to
67Db at 5500 RPM. I'll get the pipe off and see what I can do, but for the
next 4-5 months the 'ped will lie dormant because of that pesky thing called
winter. (We already have snow!) :-( By the way, do you know where I could
get a replacement for the Iskra HT coil for less than $40.00 US? Whenever I
ride the 'ped at near full throttle for a longish time the spark cuts out. I
was told that it was a weak HT coil that couldn't cope with the heat. Thanks
a lot for your help Mr. Staal, you and Mr. Hartmann (If I messed up the
spelling, I am sorry) are both wonderful resources.


Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:36:56 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Dashaun84@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT


Thanx alot Im going to check this guy out do you have the address?


Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:39:46 -0800 (PST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: dgwood@pacifier.com
Subject: Re: speedometer for PUCH Maxi



If you can get a speedo hooked up and working, you can always "calibrate"
it yourself. Get a known distance - a marked mile is handy (or kilometer
for the metricized reader). Time yourself over the mile, keeping a steady
speed. Note the indicated MPH on your speedo. Do the math and convert your
timed mile into miles per hour- example 2 minutes to go a mile is 30 mph.
4 minutes is 15 mph etc. Say you timed the mile and you are going 30 mph.
Say the speedo that you have is reading 40 mph. Now you know that 40mph on
the speedo = 30 mph on the road. Do this for at least 2 different speeds.
Remove the glass from the speedo, paint over the mile per hour numbers and
paint (or use stickers, etc) to mark the 30 mph speed, the 15 mph speed
and zero speed. Then mark off equal intervals in handy increments - say
every 5 MPH - 5 equally spaced divisions between 0 and 30, exclusive.
If you are artistic or have access to an inkjet printer and drawing
program, you can even make a whole new face.

-Dave



> I saw the JC whitney ones-It's not a big deal to hook up any old
> speedometer if the cable fits-but the problem is the calibration. The
> chances are that a motorcycle speedometer was calibrated for a different
> drive and thus a wheel with a different radius. Sure-the speedometer will
> work but will it indicated the correct speed? Has anybody had experience
> with JC Whitney speedometers on a PUCH?
> > > Michael Liu


Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:25:06 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: boyracer1@juno.com
Subject: Re: used mopeds and scooters



On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:51:55 -0800 daugava@nothnbut.net writes:
>*************************************************
>Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:11:09 -0000
>To: >From: brennan@ramlink.net
>Subject: used mopeds and scooters
> > >wanted: used mopeds and scooters, for sale, in the southern ohio and
>northern kentucky area. must be in good resaleable condition. email
>or
>call with information, brennan@ramlink.net or 614-533-2266
> >thanks, tony
> > Same here, except I'll be taking them to Louisville (I'm not trying to
step on any toes)
....., Chas boyracer1@juno.com or 606-572-7617


Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:37:55 -0500 (EST)
To: <199711172010.OAA22841@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: Fw: moped bolts


What's the model of the moped?

Michael Liu

On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:53:14 -0600
> To: > From: daugava@inlink.com
> Subject: Fw: moped bolts
> > > -------- reply to wacomm -------
> Can you tell me what size/type bolts I need for an '81 Puch muffler?
> > Thanks, Daniel
> > >

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:44:42 -0500 (EST)
To: <199711172052.OAA23734@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT


If you use andrew's site, he has links to moped dealers that you can
choose by state. It's not readily apparent how to get to the screen
though. Once you get there, you click on Connecticut, and then it gives
you a list of dealers. If you click on the dealer, it gives you a map that
you can either zoom in or out. The Moped Warehouse will send you a flyer
that includes directions if you call him-and you must call him becasue he
has no internet capabilities. He offered me 2 broken TOMOS mopeds for
$225. They both could definitely be made into one-however, due to my
studies, I had to turn him down. What good would another do me if I failed
out of school becasue I was tinkering?

He also had a Sears PUCH from the 60s on display-not for sale though.
Remember, the size of the store is small-but there's ALOT of stuff in
there. He had a used late model TOMOS for I believe $600. But he said why
buy that when the Kinetics are new for $699. The Kinetics have good
quality metal construction and nice switches and even turning signals. I
can't speak for the carb/engine/exhaust system though because I didn't
try them out.

The Moped Center in Farmingville is only 5 minutes away from the Moped
Warehouse-if you're going to see one, you should check out the other.

Michael Liu

On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:36:56 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Dashaun84@aol.com
> Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT
> > > Thanx alot Im going to check this guy out do you have the address?
> >

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:07:38 -0500 (EST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: danny@dreamscape.com
Subject: Re: registering a moped in NYS



On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu wrote:
> Any New Yorkers out there? I need some advice.

Upstate NY, that close enough?? ; )

> The moped I currently have, I bought used from someone who had what is
> called a transferable registration, so transfering it to me upon sale
> was no problem for the DMV.

Yeah, that was the old system whw WYc\YK^_sYCzXmKVSTKZ[\]{^c^Sx

> > However, I know it is rare to find a moped with papers. I am thinking of
> buying a used moped, what is the process (if one exists) for registering a
> moped with no papers (but with the VIN on a metal plate on the bike) in
> the state of New York?
> > Michael Liu
> >

~ Danny ~

~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
syracuse ska!! all about scooters!! -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-


Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:45:19 +0100
To: From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust




----------
| Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
| Aan: Moped Mailing List | Onderwerp: Re: Targa Exhaust
| Datum: maandag 17 november 1997 21:17
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:17:31 -0500 (EST)
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: AaronM428@aol.com
| Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust
|
|
| In a message dated 97-11-15 03:55:07 EST, you write:
|
| << 95Db limit here >> |
| Wow! Here in the states, we are limited (supposedly, no one cares
really) to
| 67Db at 5500 RPM. I'll get the pipe off and see what I can do, but for
the
| next 4-5 months the 'ped will lie dormant because of that pesky thing
called
| winter. (We already have snow!) :-( By the way, do you know where I
could
| get a replacement for the Iskra HT coil for less than $40.00 US?
Whenever I
| ride the 'ped at near full throttle for a longish time the spark cuts
out. I
| was told that it was a weak HT coil that couldn't cope with the heat.
Thanks
| a lot for your help Mr. Staal, you and Mr. Hartmann (If I messed up the
| spelling, I am sorry) are both wonderful resources.
|
Hi,
Here winter is bearable only periods of snow, and between 5 and -5 degrees
celsius with some nights from over -10 and it is over.. more wet than cold.
but a cold overheating below top speed.... doesn't sound sane to me, more
likely to me is the fact that the pluhg dies out by getting oily, because
between half full and full it mostly doesn't use more gas but only more air
to make power, and with 2/3 gas to 3/4 or 4/5 it get a little to much gas
and to less air to burn perfect, so it burns with a big oil film, (and
bigga smoke signals ), kills the plug (untl cleaning) in a oil bath.
open some times the gas completely to let the machine breath some fresh air
and burn the sticky oil parts''. and / or adjust the mix to a leaner mix
(be care full, if it has some thing to do with heat, this is not
adviceable, i can't judge that from here).
i don't know thy you drive at that speed, but your moped is made for full
trottle....
but with a leaner jet your trouble could be over too.
Peter.


Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:54:36 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: speedometer for PUCH Maxi


In a message dated 97-11-17 12:42:00 EST, you write:

<< J.C.Whitney sells aftermarket speedometers for a pretty reasonable price.
They read up to 150mph though. This may disturb people checking out your
moped when it's parked.
Bill Metteer-moped owner >>
Will these speedometers fit into the standard instrument panel of a Tomos
Targa LX?



Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:40:30 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Antung@aol.com
Subject: Re: registering a moped


11-18-97

I heared about that the MOPED under 49 c.c. is not necessary to have a
registration.

Check with your DMV.

Sam Tsai


Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:39:17 -0500
To: laurinj@videotron.ca
From: laurinj@videotron.ca
Subject: Re: Fw: moped bolts


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:53:14 -0600
> To: > From: daugava@inlink.com
> Subject: Fw: moped bolts
> > -------- reply to wacomm -------
> Can you tell me what size/type bolts I need for an '81 Puch muffler?
> > Thanks, Daniel
> Which bolts?
Jean-Sébastien


Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:03:24 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: JoeVR5@aol.com
Subject: 96 Targa LX 4 sale


I picked this up off the AOL classifieds. Email: EASTCIDE97@aol.com

1996 Tomos Targa LX Moped
Bought brand new in May of 97' (6 months old)
MInt. condition--not a scratch
Helmet, raincover, and extra mirror included

$1000

(located in New Jersey)

Email: EASTCIDE97@aol.com


Date: 18 Nov 1997 12:33:57 -0800
To: "daugava@nothnbut.net" From: WILMET@SAFECO.com
Subject: Re: speedometer for PUCH Maxi


To @REPLY I bought one once for an old honda dirt bike I once owned. The speedo comes with mounting hardware for mounting it to the handlebars. The main is about 2 1/2 inches in diameter, and may fit your targa. I may still have the speedometer somewhere in my garage. I could measure it if you want.

-Bill Metteer
Seattle WA

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Subject: Re: speedometer for PUCH Maxi
To: "Moped Mailing List" Reply-To: *************************************************
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:54:36 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: speedometer for PUCH Maxi

In a message dated 97-11-17 12:42:00 EST, you write:

<< J.C.Whitney sells aftermarket speedometers for a pretty reasonable price. They read up to 150mph though. This may disturb people checking out your moped when it's parked.
Bill Metteer-moped owner >>
Will these speedometers fit into the standard instrument panel of a Tomos Targa LX?


Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:36:01 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: GeeeTeee@aol.com
Subject: mopeds in wny


I am looking for any moped in the western New york area. Please e-mail back
with anything


Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:41:52 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: WOffenhart@aol.com
Subject: Batavus


Does anybody out there know what the magneto breaker point gap is for a 1977
Batavus 48cc moped with a Bosch magneto? I would also like to know what the
proper fuel/oil mixture ratio is for this little monster. Thanks for your
help - Mike


Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:52:09 -0500 (EST)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: Danny@dreamworld???



Danny, your reply about moped registration in NY got garbled-please
repost.

The situation is that if I buy a moped from a dealer in Connecticut or New
Jersey, they will not have a title because they aren't required in those
states. I however, live in New York. Within a 200 mile radius of me, the
only used moped dealers are located in New Jersey and COnnecticut.

Michael Liu


Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:45:42 EST
To: Moped Mailing List From: therav4@juno.com
Subject: Registering a Moped in NJ


I recently bought a used moped in NJ with no title or anything. How
would I start to register this moped. It has the vin number on a metal
plate on the moped. Is there any way of registering a moped with no
title or anything in the state of New Jersey?
If you can help me out, please email your reply to
therav4@juno.com

P.S. It is a 1976 Bianchi Moped


Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:50:16 -0000
To: From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: Re: registering a moped


varies by state, call your local circuit court clerk's office, tony

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> From: daugava@nothnbut.net
> To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: Re: registering a moped
> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 4:39 PM
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:40:30 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Antung@aol.com
> Subject: Re: registering a moped
> > > 11-18-97
> > I heared about that the MOPED under 49 c.c. is not necessary to have a
> registration.
> > Check with your DMV.
> > Sam Tsai


Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:48:50 -0000
To: From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: Re: 96 Targa LX 4 sale


thanks for the information. too much money for a used one, can buy new for
less.

tony

----------
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net
> To: Moped Mailing List > Subject: 96 Targa LX 4 sale
> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 8:03 PM
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:03:24 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: JoeVR5@aol.com
> Subject: 96 Targa LX 4 sale
> > > I picked this up off the AOL classifieds. Email: EASTCIDE97@aol.com
> > 1996 Tomos Targa LX Moped
> Bought brand new in May of 97' (6 months old)
> MInt. condition--not a scratch
> Helmet, raincover, and extra mirror included
> > $1000
> > (located in New Jersey)
> > Email: EASTCIDE97@aol.com


Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:08:08 -0500
To: paltron@interlog.com
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Batavus


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:41:52 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: WOffenhart@aol.com
> Subject: Batavus
> > Does anybody out there know what the magneto breaker point gap is for a 1977
> Batavus 48cc moped with a Bosch magneto? I would also like to know what the
> proper fuel/oil mixture ratio is for this little monster. Thanks for your
> help - Mike
..4mm gap, 50:1 (2%) gas-oil ratio.


Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:28:02 -0600
To: "Mailing List" From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject: Bike Cover


Another ad from AOL classifieds
"Bike Covers"Total Protection"
Waterproof Cover,Great for boating, protect's from the
Elements,Lightweight fits into self- contained pouch,fits on your handle
bars SUPER ,Holiday Gifts and colors For the boater that travels with their
bikes,small mopeds,scooters.Please check my web page,for more infomation...
http://member.aol.com/mattieferg/index.htm "

Word of caution though - I bought a scooter cover once and it wasn't big
enough for my moped.
I now use motorcycle cover - when folded accurately, it just fits into my
Tomos saddle bag.

Andrew


Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:51:39 -0500
To: laurinj@videotron.ca
From: laurinj@videotron.ca
Subject: Re: Batavus


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:41:52 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: WOffenhart@aol.com
> Subject: Batavus
> > Does anybody out there know what the magneto breaker point gap is for a 1977
> Batavus 48cc moped with a Bosch magneto? I would also like to know what the
> proper fuel/oil mixture ratio is for this little monster. Thanks for your
> help - Mike

The correct gap for the breaker point af a 77 Batavus moped is 0.016 in.
(0.4mm) if your moped is a VA, Hs50, MoBat or Bronco, the others..... I
don't know.
for the fuel use a 50 for 1 oil/gas ratio (2%) as carburant.
hope this will be usefull.

Jean-Sebastien Laurin
----------------------
parts and restorations
60's and 70's moped


Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:10:02 -0500 (EST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: danny@dreamscape.com
Subject: Mopeds in NYS



On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu wrote:
> The situation is that if I buy a moped from a dealer in Connecticut or
> New Jersey, they will not have a title because they aren't required in
> those states. I however, live in New York. Within a 200 mile radius of
> me, the only used moped dealers are located in New Jersey and
> Connecticut.

You don't need a title to register a vehicle in NYS either. Registration
is just paying the fees and letting the state know you're responsible for
the vehicle. Title is a statement of legal ownership. Some states
combine them, but NYS does not. They've offered to register my untitled
scooter, but getting a title for it will be a big hassle through the DMV,
because there is no paperwork at all. However, that's what the title
services are for and it's about $100 for older vehicles, closer to $200
for newer ones, though if you buy new from a dealer, they should have
enough paperwork to keep Albany happy for a title too.

Just remember that when NYS registers a vehicle, that doesn't prove you
own it, as only a title does that. But you'll still be responsible for
tickets and accidents, rest assured.

~ Danny ~

~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
syracuse ska!! all about scooters!! -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-


Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:18:25 -0500 (EST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: danny@dreamscape.com
Subject: Re: registering a moped



On 18 Nov 1997 brennan@ramlink.net wrote:
> varies by state, call your local circuit court clerk's office, tony

Wow, what state is THAT??? The best general answer I suppose is check in
your state wherever you register motor vehicles. For most of us, that's
the DMV or it's equivalent name. Even if they don't cover mopeds there,
they'll tell you who does.

~ Danny ~

~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
syracuse ska!! all about scooters!! -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-


Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:36:39 -0700
To: ccampbel@fvcc.cc.mt.us
From: ccampbel@fvcc.cc.mt.us
Subject: 1980 Peugeot parts


I am looking for parts for a 1980 Peugeot 103 LVS moped. Specifically I
need a new carburetor or carburetor kit and an air intake housing. Does
anyone know of a parts supplier that deals in Peugeot?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Colleen Campbell
Flathead Valley Community College Library
777 Grandview Dr.
Kalispell, MT 59901

phone: 406-756-3855
fax : 406-756-3854

ccampbel@fvcc.cc.mt.us
http://www.fvcc.cc.mt.us/depts/library
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:48:41 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: RED5596422@aol.com
Subject: Re: registering a moped in NYS


Does anyone have a Moped for sale in New york??



George


Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:30:59 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: SPETSANTI@aol.com
Subject: TOMOS


I have a problem with my son's tomos it's a 1977 and I can't get any fire to
the points when he cranks on it the lights fire up so I'm pretty sure the mag
is up but nothing to the points can anybody tell me what the point gap is and
give me any ideas about the points the condenser is attached to the mag and I
don't know if that's the problem (the condenser) or not .It has ducati
electrics in it HELP!!!

thanks,
spetsanti@aol.com


Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:00:54 +0100
To: "Moped Mailinglist" , <6828t@bright.net> From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject: Fw: Targa exhaust




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| Van: Robert Taylor <6828t@bright.net> | Aan: staal@concepts.nl
| Onderwerp: Targa exhaust
| Datum: dinsdag 18 november 1997 21:12
|
| Hi
| You better be real careful I mean real real careful if you lean it out
| to much you can and will burn your piston and or cylinder maybe both. So
| remember when you mess with the carb don't lean it out to much. Fuel mix
| is important try to buy gas that does not have alcohol in it . Alcohol in
| fuel is not a friend to any two cycle engine, so always buy a good grade
of
| fuel, you save in the long run!!!!
|
| Thank You
|
| Bob T. 6828t@bright.net

Lucky for me they put alcohol in bottles and not in the gas down here ;)
Peter.
|


Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:56:36 +0100
To: From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject: Re: Batavus




----------
| Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
| Aan: Moped Mailing List | Onderwerp: Batavus
| Datum: woensdag 19 november 1997 1:45
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:41:52 -0500 (EST)
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: WOffenhart@aol.com
| Subject: Batavus
|
|
| Does anybody out there know what the magneto breaker point gap is for a
1977
| Batavus 48cc moped with a Bosch magneto? I would also like to know what
the
| proper fuel/oil mixture ratio is for this little monster. Thanks for
your
| help - Mike
|

I'm not sure but i think .35 mm gap and 1:50 mix , but as i said not
completly sure...
peter.


Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:23:44 -0600
To: "Mailing List" From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject: 1965 honda pc50


--------- reply to spotty <8677js@powerup.com.au> -------
I cannot find any information on my 1965 Honda pc50 moped.Please e-mail me
if you find anyone with any info.
Thanks
Jason



Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:43:12 -0800
To: artgoulet@bigfoot.com
From: agoulet@flash.net
Subject: Tips from US Tomos Distributor


I had occasion to talk with the Tomos US distributor about concerns I
had earlier mentioned to the group here, and here is the advice I got,
straight from the people who ought to know.

2-stroke Engine Oil:

- Synthetics provide better lubrication, help the engine to live longer.

- To keep carbonization to a minimum, use a low-residue oil.
Recommended brands (I'm unsure of the spelling): Belray (GTI? STI?),
Techna-Plate, Petron. Also Optimol, Opti-2, Quatz.

Tranmission Oil:

- If you can't find Type A Suffix A (I can't here in Los Angeles), you
can use Type F (not FA). (I've just put Type F into my 1995 Targa, and
it works pretty well). Previously, it was OK to use plain 30-weight
non-detergent motor oil in older Tomos transmissions, but not on the
newer models.

For Firmer Upshifts:

- Cut grooves into the 2nd-gear clutch facings, in the same direction as
the drive gear teeth (cutting the other way will produce the opposite
effect).

- Drill the clutch case holes slightly larger for oil to flow more
easily. Be sure not to leave behind any filings!

- Using a small screwdriver, slightly stretch the 2nd-gear clutch
spring to fatigue it slightly, so it will allow the clutch to swing out
sooner. If you overdo it, you will have to install a new spring.

To Blow Out Muffler In-between Full Decarbonizations:

- Periodically go to a remote area (because this will be noisy); temporarily remove the screw-out exhaust baffle from the muffler, and
run the moped to blow out the carbon from the muffler. (My own idea
next:) After the engine is fully warmed up, do several full-throttle
accelerations to top speed, and do a few long uphill runs at full
throttle, both of which will maximize pressure and increase temperature
in the cylinder and exhaust, thereby encouraging the carbon to
dislodge. Afterwards, you may wish to try putting the moped on its
stand and revving up the engine pretty fast for a few seconds (run up
the RPMs, but don't overdo it, you can overstress the engine). Then
replace the baffle in the muffler.

After-Warranty Modifications (DOING THESE WILL INVALIDATE THE WARRANTY,
SO WAIT UNTIL IT'S EXPIRED):

- Remove the exhaust baffle from the muffler and cut off the front half
(the end towards the front of the moped). Supposedly, this will reduce
future carbon buildup in the muffler (and may increase power?), without
adverse effects. (Note: I would imagine that the muffler may become
noisier, but I don't know -- I haven't tried it).

- To improve acceleration and add up to 10 mph to top speed, replace the
muffler with the "Bi-Turbo Expansion Chamber" (about $90-$100 retail).
Your Tomos dealer can order this from A & R Trading Co., Spartanburg,
SC, phone 864-582-1858. This is a wholesale company that will sell to
dealers only, not to the general public. After this modification, mix
an additional one-half ounce of 2-stroke oil into each tankful of
gasoline (in addition to the oil already delivered by the automatic oil
mixer), as a precaution because of the higher RPMs the engine will run
at.

I offer no guarantees regarding the above information; I'm just
reiterating what the Tomos distributor told me, to the best of my
recollection. If anyone has any better or extra information, post it.
Good luck.

Arthur Goulet


Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:09:43 -0500
To: laurinj@videotron.ca
From: laurinj@videotron.ca
Subject: Re: 1980 Peugeot parts


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:36:39 -0700
> To: ccampbel@fvcc.cc.mt.us
> From: ccampbel@fvcc.cc.mt.us
> Subject: 1980 Peugeot parts
> > I am looking for parts for a 1980 Peugeot 103 LVS moped. Specifically I
> need a new carburetor or carburetor kit and an air intake housing. Does
> anyone know of a parts supplier that deals in Peugeot?

> Colleen Campbell

hi, I am dealing Peugeot parts, send me a email at laurinj@videotron.ca
with the list of the parts you need and ill tell you if I have them

best wishes
Jean-Sebastien Laurin
-------------------------------------------
parts and restorations of 60'70'80's mopeds


Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:06:37 -0500 (EST)
To: DAUGAVA@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Old mopeds to part out


I recently got a pickup truckload of old "parts bikes". Some of the brands
were; Honda PA50, Batavus (old), Motron, Puch, Motobecane (stripped bare), and JC
Penny Swinger ( Puch).
Most are not in very good shape, but motors can be made to run.
Let me know if can help you with parts, too much work to restore them.
Scott H


Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:29:24 -0500 (EST)
To: <199711190058.SAA20472@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: mopeds in wny


which part of western New York?

Rochester?

Ithaca?

White Plains.

Long Island is East, everything else is west.

Michael Liu

On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:36:01 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: GeeeTeee@aol.com
> Subject: mopeds in wny
> > > I am looking for any moped in the western New york area. Please e-mail back
> with anything
> >

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 08:58:44 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com
Subject: Re: registering a moped in NYS



Yes. Someone in New York has a moed for sale.




;^)

....tough crowd, eh!


From: US8RMC::"daugava@nothnbut.net" 19-NOV-1997 22:21:29.81
To: "Moped Mailing List" CC:
Subj: Re: registering a moped in NYS

*************************************************
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:48:41 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: RED5596422@aol.com
Subject: Re: registering a moped in NYS


Does anyone have a Moped for sale in New york??



George


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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:18:02 -0500
To: paltron@interlog.com
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: TOMOS


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:30:59 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: SPETSANTI@aol.com
> Subject: TOMOS
> > I have a problem with my son's tomos it's a 1977 and I can't get any fire to
> the points when he cranks on it the lights fire up so I'm pretty sure the mag
> is up but nothing to the points can anybody tell me what the point gap is and
> give me any ideas about the points the condenser is attached to the mag and I
> don't know if that's the problem (the condenser) or not .It has ducati
> electrics in it HELP!!!
> > thanks,
> spetsanti@aol.com
This may sound silly, but have you checked the brakelight bulb? Tomos
has this weird idea of grounding the sparking circuit if the bulb (or
the filament) blows, so yo do not get any juice at all. If you open up
the taillight, you will see a resistor built into the circuit. Best to
just bypass that entirely.
Paul


Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:34:18 -0500 (EST)
To: <199711200249.UAA14294@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: registering a moped in NYS


The New York regulations regarding mopeds are pretty strict when compared
to other states. Thus, in order for me to find a dealer selling used
mopeds, I need to go to New Jersey or Connecticut. WHich part of New York
are you in?

Michael Liu

On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:48:41 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: RED5596422@aol.com
> Subject: Re: registering a moped in NYS
> > > Does anyone have a Moped for sale in New york??
> > > > George
> >

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:39:34 -0500 (EST)
To: <199711200249.UAA14307@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: TOMOS


I had a similar problem with my PUCH. When I engaged the clutch and
pedaled, the lights would go on. I mistook this to mean that the points
were gapped properly. After doing a lot a of uneccessary stuff- I decided
to regap the points-and low and behold-it worked. Just because the
magneto produces a current does not mean it produces enough to cause a
spark. Lighting lights is a lot easier to do than to build up enough
current to spark. The points on my PUCH are 0.16 in. Call a TOMOS dealer
to find the correct setting for yours.

Michael Liu

On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:30:59 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: SPETSANTI@aol.com
> Subject: TOMOS
> > > I have a problem with my son's tomos it's a 1977 and I can't get any fire to
> the points when he cranks on it the lights fire up so I'm pretty sure the mag
> is up but nothing to the points can anybody tell me what the point gap is and
> give me any ideas about the points the condenser is attached to the mag and I
> don't know if that's the problem (the condenser) or not .It has ducati
> electrics in it HELP!!!
> > thanks,
> spetsanti@aol.com
> >

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:24:14 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: speedometer for PUCH Maxi


In a message dated 97-11-19 00:54:43 EST, you write:

<< I bought one once for an old honda dirt bike I once owned. The speedo
comes with mounting hardware for mounting it to the handlebars. The main is
about 2 1/2 inches in diameter, and may fit your targa. I may still have the
speedometer somewhere in my garage. I could measure it if you want. >>
If it is not too much trouble. Knowing the measurement would help me quite a
bit.


Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:27:18 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: TOMOS


In a message dated 97-11-20 03:46:33 EST, you write:

<< I have a problem with my son's tomos it's a 1977 and I can't get any fire
to
the points when he cranks on it the lights fire up so I'm pretty sure the
mag
is up but nothing to the points can anybody tell me what the point gap is
and
give me any ideas about the points the condenser is attached to the mag and
I
don't know if that's the problem (the condenser) or not .It has ducati
electrics in it HELP!!! >>
It could still be the magneto. The magneto has two coils in it, one for the
lights and a separate one for the ignition (at least the new ones do).


Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:34:22 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust


In a message dated 97-11-20 11:29:13 EST, you write:

<< but a cold overheating below top speed.... doesn't sound sane to me, more
likely to me is the fact that the pluhg dies out by getting oily, because
between half full and full it mostly doesn't use more gas but only more air
to make power, and with 2/3 gas to 3/4 or 4/5 it get a little to much gas
and to less air to burn perfect, so it burns with a big oil film, (and
bigga smoke signals ), kills the plug (untl cleaning) in a oil bath.
open some times the gas completely to let the machine breath some fresh air
and burn the sticky oil parts''. and / or adjust the mix to a leaner mix
(be care full, if it has some thing to do with heat, this is not
adviceable, i can't judge that from here).
i don't know thy you drive at that speed, but >>
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear before. The problem occurs after extended
periond of full throttle. Usually the time spent at full throttle is between
10-15 minutes without stopping. Also, I've had the plug out immediately
after the incidents occured (I always carry a spare plug, easy fix to many
problems) and it had no buildup on it, and even a brand new plug failed to
revive it. If I let it set to cool for about 20 minutes It fires up again
and runs fine. As I said, this only happens when the engine is hot (so hot
that the spark plug wrench is too hot to hold without a cloth from about 20
seconds after touching the plug until a very long time after.)


Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:25:24 -0800
To: agner@erols.com
From: agner@erols.com
Subject: Re: Registering a Moped in NJ


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:45:42 EST
> To: Moped Mailing List > From: therav4@juno.com
> Subject: Registering a Moped in NJ
> > I recently bought a used moped in NJ with no title or anything. How
> would I start to register this moped. It has the vin number on a metal
> plate on the moped. Is there any way of registering a moped with no
> title or anything in the state of New Jersey?
> If you can help me out, please email your reply to
> therav4@juno.com
> > P.S. It is a 1976 Bianchi Moped
Being from NJ, I've asked DMV the question relating to a motorcycle.
The answer was, "no title, no registration." Solutions: 1) go to the
seller and ask if he/she ever had title; if so, have them ask for a
replacement from DMV and then sign it over. 2) Try to find the previous
owner and do the same; 3) find someone in another state that doesn't
require a title, and get them to register it and try to apply for a
title, using just a bill of sale; then sign title over to you; 4) check
Motorcycle Shopper Mag or Classic Bike; sometimes, title services (I
think out of Nevada ) advertise. 5) ask Motor Vehicle if there is any
way to go to court and have your rights to the bike declared, so you can
get a title ; 6) contact the manufacturer and find out who was the
original owner and seller of that ped; then try to trace from them to
you, and see if someone in the chain has title still in their name,
because they sold it without assigning title; ask them for permission
for you to get them another title, for them to sign over. I KNOW IT
SOUNDS COMPLICATED, BUT NJ DMV OFFERED NO SIMPLE SOLUTION. as a last
resort, contact your state assemblyman/woman or state senator for help
from DMV (or legislation to deal with this common problem)



Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:34:22 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust


In a message dated 97-11-20 11:29:13 EST, you write:

<< but a cold overheating below top speed.... doesn't sound sane to me, more
likely to me is the fact that the pluhg dies out by getting oily, because
between half full and full it mostly doesn't use more gas but only more air
to make power, and with 2/3 gas to 3/4 or 4/5 it get a little to much gas
and to less air to burn perfect, so it burns with a big oil film, (and
bigga smoke signals ), kills the plug (untl cleaning) in a oil bath.
open some times the gas completely to let the machine breath some fresh air
and burn the sticky oil parts''. and / or adjust the mix to a leaner mix
(be care full, if it has some thing to do with heat, this is not
adviceable, i can't judge that from here).
i don't know thy you drive at that speed, but >>
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear before. The problem occurs after extended
periond of full throttle. Usually the time spent at full throttle is between
10-15 minutes without stopping. Also, I've had the plug out immediately
after the incidents occured (I always carry a spare plug, easy fix to many
problems) and it had no buildup on it, and even a brand new plug failed to
revive it. If I let it set to cool for about 20 minutes It fires up again
and runs fine. As I said, this only happens when the engine is hot (so hot
that the spark plug wrench is too hot to hold without a cloth from about 20
seconds after touching the plug until a very long time after.)


Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:25:24 -0800
To: agner@erols.com
From: agner@erols.com
Subject: Re: Registering a Moped in NJ


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:45:42 EST
> To: Moped Mailing List > From: therav4@juno.com
> Subject: Registering a Moped in NJ
> > I recently bought a used moped in NJ with no title or anything. How
> would I start to register this moped. It has the vin number on a metal
> plate on the moped. Is there any way of registering a moped with no
> title or anything in the state of New Jersey?
> If you can help me out, please email your reply to
> therav4@juno.com
> > P.S. It is a 1976 Bianchi Moped
Being from NJ, I've asked DMV the question relating to a motorcycle.
The answer was, "no title, no registration." Solutions: 1) go to the
seller and ask if he/she ever had title; if so, have them ask for a
replacement from DMV and then sign it over. 2) Try to find the previous
owner and do the same; 3) find someone in another state that doesn't
require a title, and get them to register it and try to apply for a
title, using just a bill of sale; then sign title over to you; 4) check
Motorcycle Shopper Mag or Classic Bike; sometimes, title services (I
think out of Nevada ) advertise. 5) ask Motor Vehicle if there is any
way to go to court and have your rights to the bike declared, so you can
get a title ; 6) contact the manufacturer and find out who was the
original owner and seller of that ped; then try to trace from them to
you, and see if someone in the chain has title still in their name,
because they sold it without assigning title; ask them for permission
for you to get them another title, for them to sign over. I KNOW IT
SOUNDS COMPLICATED, BUT NJ DMV OFFERED NO SIMPLE SOLUTION. as a last
resort, contact your state assemblyman/woman or state senator for help
from DMV (or legislation to deal with this common problem)



Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:28:11 -0600
To: airdo@ix.netcom.com
From: airdo@ix.netcom.com
Subject: wiring kill button


HI MOPEDLERS,NEED TO KNOW HOW TO WIRE THE KILL BUTTON (ON -OFF SWITCH).
IN MAG.THANKS.


Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:39:37 +0100
To: From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject: Re: wiring kill button




----------
| Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
| Aan: Moped Mailing List | Onderwerp: wiring kill button
| Datum: donderdag 20 november 1997 22:28
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:28:11 -0600
| To: airdo@ix.netcom.com
| From: airdo@ix.netcom.com
| Subject: wiring kill button
|
|
| HI MOPEDLERS,NEED TO KNOW HOW TO WIRE THE KILL BUTTON (ON -OFF SWITCH).
| IN MAG.THANKS.
|


over the breaker points....

breakerpoint
ign---------V------------------ground
|-------------cutoffswitch---- ground


get it ?
Peter.


Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:45:13 +0100
To: From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust




----------
| Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
| Aan: Moped Mailing List | Onderwerp: Re: Targa Exhaust
| Datum: donderdag 20 november 1997 4:25
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:34:22 -0500 (EST)
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: AaronM428@aol.com
| Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust
|
|
| In a message dated 97-11-20 11:29:13 EST, you write:
|
| << but a cold overheating below top speed.... doesn't sound sane to me,
more
| likely to me is the fact that the pluhg dies out by getting oily,
because
| between half full and full it mostly doesn't use more gas but only more
air
| to make power, and with 2/3 gas to 3/4 or 4/5 it get a little to much
gas
| and to less air to burn perfect, so it burns with a big oil film, (and
| bigga smoke signals ), kills the plug (untl cleaning) in a oil bath.
| open some times the gas completely to let the machine breath some fresh
air
| and burn the sticky oil parts''. and / or adjust the mix to a leaner mix
| (be care full, if it has some thing to do with heat, this is not
| adviceable, i can't judge that from here).
| i don't know thy you drive at that speed, but >> |
| I'm sorry if I wasn't clear before. The problem occurs after extended
| periond of full throttle. Usually the time spent at full throttle is
between
| 10-15 minutes without stopping. Also, I've had the plug out immediately
| after the incidents occured (I always carry a spare plug, easy fix to
many
| problems) and it had no buildup on it, and even a brand new plug failed
to
| revive it. If I let it set to cool for about 20 minutes It fires up
again
| and runs fine. As I said, this only happens when the engine is hot (so
hot
| that the spark plug wrench is too hot to hold without a cloth from about
20
| seconds after touching the plug until a very long time after.)
|


mmmm, and exhaust is clean.. than serious trouble ahead i think, could be
worn out cranck bearings, or big end bearing, or seized up piston, how else
does it become that warm so fast ? or is it tuned any how?


Peter.


Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:10:19 -0800
To: agner@erols.com
From: agner@erols.com
Subject: Re: Mopeds in NYS


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:10:02 -0500 (EST)
> To: Moped Mailing List > From: danny@dreamscape.com
> Subject: Mopeds in NYS
> > On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu wrote:
> > The situation is that if I buy a moped from a dealer in Connecticut or
> > New Jersey, they will not have a title because they aren't required in
> > those states. I however, live in New York. Within a 200 mile radius of
> > me, the only used moped dealers are located in New Jersey and
> > Connecticut.
> > You don't need a title to register a vehicle in NYS either. Registration
> is just paying the fees and letting the state know you're responsible for
> the vehicle. Title is a statement of legal ownership. Some states
> combine them, but NYS does not. They've offered to register my untitled
> scooter, but getting a title for it will be a big hassle through the DMV,
> because there is no paperwork at all. However, that's what the title
> services are for and it's about $100 for older vehicles, closer to $200
> for newer ones, though if you buy new from a dealer, they should have
> enough paperwork to keep Albany happy for a title too.
> > Just remember that when NYS registers a vehicle, that doesn't prove you
> own it, as only a title does that. But you'll still be responsible for
> tickets and accidents, rest assured.
> > ~ Danny ~
> > ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
> syracuse ska!! > all about scooters!! > -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
I'm confused. I had to show title to register my moped in NJ, and I've
gotten title transferred into my name. JOHN



Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:44:40 +0100
To: "Moped Mailinglist" ,
From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject: Tomos 4L page update ->new : Moped webring


Hello, fellow moped page owners, and moped fans:

At the Tomos 4L pages there is now a new service available, the Moped
webring. The intension is that all (?) moped related sites, can be read
after another
in an endless ring over the net.
Pageowners can add their page-URL etc. to this list by filling in the
submit form and adding some html text to your page, (which will be emailed
to you) , you can read all info at :
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal/ring/index.html
This could become the ultimate moped web source with your help, only
joining can make it work. Boost your number of page visitors now with this
free service.


Bye, Peter.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Email : staal@concepts.nl
Homepages:
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
http://home.westbrabant.net/~staal/
------------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:38:23 -0500 (EST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: danny@dreamscape.com
Subject: Re: Mopeds in NYS



NY and NJ are different states. Different rules I guess.

~ Danny ~

~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
syracuse ska!! all about scooters!! -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-


Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:03:27 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust


In a message dated 97-11-21 10:54:25 EST, you write:

<< mmmm, and exhaust is clean.. than serious trouble ahead i think, could be
worn out cranck bearings, or big end bearing, or seized up piston, how else
does it become that warm so fast ? or is it tuned any how?
>> I doubt that it is that bad. The engine cranks over quite easily (I can turn
it over by hand.) The only "tuning" is a Biturbo muffler, and I just read
that I should add about 1oz. oil to the fuel (in addition to the oil injected
by the pump) because of the higher RPM's caused by the Biturbo. When spring
comes and I start riding again I'll do that.


Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:07:22 -0600
To: airdo@ix.netcom.com
From: airdo@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: wiring kill button


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:39:37 +0100
> To: > From: staal@concepts.nl
> Subject: Re: wiring kill button
> > ----------
> | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
> | Aan: Moped Mailing List > | Onderwerp: wiring kill button
> | Datum: donderdag 20 november 1997 22:28
> |
> | *************************************************
> | Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:28:11 -0600
> | To: airdo@ix.netcom.com
> | From: airdo@ix.netcom.com
> | Subject: wiring kill button
> |
> |
> | HI MOPEDLERS,NEED TO KNOW HOW TO WIRE THE KILL BUTTON (ON -OFF
> SWITCH).
> | IN MAG.THANKS.
> |
> > over the breaker points....
> > breakerpoint
> ign---------V------------------ground
> |-------------cutoffswitch---- ground
> > get it ?
> Peter.
DOES THAT MEAN I CAN SOLDER ONE WIRE FROM SWITCH TO CONDENSER
AND THE OTHER WIRE TO A GROUND? WILL THAT WORK? THE CONDENSER IS
ALREADY WIRED TO THE POINTS.BUT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS ANOTHER WIRE
TO CONDENSER THAT WAS TAKEN OFF. I WONDERED IF THAT WIRE WAS ORIGINALY
FOR KILL BUTTON. THANKS AGAIN, CARLO.




Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:43:27 -0600
To: "Mailing List" From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject: Honda Express owners manual


------- reply to carrie anderson -------
Hi,
I am woundering if you might be able to help me find a owners manual for
my 1978
Honda Express. I moved into my new house and it was just sitting in my
shead. So my
landlord asid I could keep it. Thanks for your help.


Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:24:44 -0500
To: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:36:56 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Dashaun84@aol.com
> Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT
> > Thanx alot Im going to check this guy out do you have the address?
Lost the 800# for the Tomos Factory who services Fl....They were going
to contact us regarding defective parts re: Tomas Targa Does anyone
know the # ...I know it's in the manuel but unfortunately it's lost...
Thanks, Tim & Alene


Date: 22 Nov 1997 10:16:28 -0800
To: "DAUGAVA@NOTHNBUT.NET" From: WILMET@SAFECO.com
Subject: RE: 1962motobecane


To COPYTO Addressee List From WILMET (HO) Type N 11-22-97 10:16a
Need your collective wisdom on how much I could reasonably expect to sell the subject bike for. It has 300 miles on it and has had two owners. Both have kept it under shelter at all times. Neither has -- quite obviously -- ridden it much.

And it's a lovely robin egg's blue.

How much should I ask?

Please respond to me at kathleen1@mindspring.com

-------------------------
Hello fellow moped people,
I recieved this from a separate list. I already have one of these. Anybody else interested?
-Bill Metteer


Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:18:36 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: GeeeTeee@aol.com
Subject: Re: mopeds in wny


East aurora subburb of buffalo


Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:39:22 +0100
To: From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject: Re: wiring kill button




----------
| Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
| Aan: Moped Mailing List | Onderwerp: Re: wiring kill button
| Datum: zaterdag 22 november 1997 3:05
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:07:22 -0600
| To: airdo@ix.netcom.com
| From: airdo@ix.netcom.com
| Subject: Re: wiring kill button
|
|
| daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
|
| > *************************************************
| > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:39:37 +0100
| > To: | > From: staal@concepts.nl
| > Subject: Re: wiring kill button
| > | > ----------
| > | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
| > | Aan: Moped Mailing List | > | Onderwerp: wiring kill button
| > | Datum: donderdag 20 november 1997 22:28
| > |
| > | *************************************************
| > | Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:28:11 -0600
| > | To: airdo@ix.netcom.com
| > | From: airdo@ix.netcom.com
| > | Subject: wiring kill button
| > |
| > |
| > | HI MOPEDLERS,NEED TO KNOW HOW TO WIRE THE KILL BUTTON (ON -OFF
| > SWITCH).
| > | IN MAG.THANKS.
| > |
| > | > over the breaker points....
| > | > breakerpoint
| > ign---------V------------------ground
| > |-------------cutoffswitch---- ground
| > | > get it ?
| > Peter.
| DOES THAT MEAN I CAN SOLDER ONE WIRE FROM SWITCH TO CONDENSER
| AND THE OTHER WIRE TO A GROUND? WILL THAT WORK? THE CONDENSER IS
| ALREADY WIRED TO THE POINTS.BUT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS ANOTHER WIRE
| TO CONDENSER THAT WAS TAKEN OFF. I WONDERED IF THAT WIRE WAS ORIGINALY
| FOR KILL BUTTON. THANKS AGAIN, CARLO.
|
|
yes because condensor is 'over' the points, one side already to ground.
i think that was the original wire., mostly the stop button is in the light
switch casing on the handle bar and makes there contact with frame, so no
'ground' wire need in that case.
good luck, peter.

|


Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:32:10 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: browncrew@juno.com
Subject: Re: Searching for a moped...


I know where you can get a new Testi moped for $500 dollars. I can sell
you one, but I am in NJ. If you want to work something out to have it
picked-up or shipped, let me know.

Keith Brown
k_brown@msn.com


On Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:18:33 -0500 (EST) daugava@nothnbut.net writes:
>*************************************************
>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:18:33 -0500 (EST)
>To: daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: JoeVR5@aol.com
>Subject: Searching for a moped...
> > >Hi everybody!!
> >My name is Joe and I am looking for a moped to buy that is under 5-600
>dollars. I live in Northern Virginia. I would appreciate it greatly
>if
>anyone has any suggestions, or hints about buying a moped. Thanks!!
> >-Joe
> > >

Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:32:10 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: browncrew@juno.com
Subject: Re: Testi Moped Info Sought


I can get you a new Testi for $550. They are still in the box so you
will have to assemble it yourself....

Keith Brown
k_brown@msn.com

On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:21:43 -0800 daugava@nothnbut.net writes:
>*************************************************
>Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:21:43 -0800
>To: daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: catrinus.j.wallet@exgate.tek.com
>Subject: Testi Moped Info Sought
> > >Some time ago I posted a plea for help in identifying
>data on my Gitane Confort Lux moped from the early
>70's (guessing). Most of the replies indicated that Gitane
>didn't make a moped and I thought I was at a dead end.
>Recently, I found this mention in Hugo Wilson's
>the "Encyclopedia of the Motorcycle", published in 1995:
> >Gitane c. 1947-1980 Until the 1960's this bicycle
>manufacturer built mopeds and motorcycles using
>100cc to 175cc VAP, Ydral, and Sachs engines. In
>the 1970's it sold a 40cc Italian Testi with a Gitane
>label, but this ended when Renault took over the company
>in 1980. (Emphasis added).
> >So I'm getting close! Who knows somethings about Testi
>mopeds, and are parts still available? Again, the engine
>is a "Motori Minarelli" with a Dellorto carb.
> >Thanks in advance for any help you can give me!
> >You can reply to the group or you can write me directly
>at catrinus.wallet@juno.com
> >Catrinus Wallet
>Portland, OR, USA
> > >

Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 02:36:37 -0500 (EST)
To: <199711221953.NAA12584@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: RE: 1962motobecane


This depends on your geographic location. The less snow and more warmer
the weather, the better your chances of selling it for a good price.
Motobecanes are not the easiest bikes to get parts for. If I recall, I saw
a dealer selling one for about $350, with about 1000 miles. Mopeds sold
privately can go anywhere from $100-$400. Remember, you won't be able to
sell it for any price if no one wants it. Hope this helps.

Michael Liu

On Sat, 22 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: 22 Nov 1997 10:16:28 -0800
> To: "DAUGAVA@NOTHNBUT.NET" > From: WILMET@SAFECO.com
> Subject: RE: 1962motobecane
> > > To COPYTO Addressee List From WILMET (HO) Type N 11-22-97 10:16a
> Need your collective wisdom on how much I could reasonably expect to sell the subject bike for. It has 300 miles on it and has had two owners. Both have kept it under shelter at all times. Neither has -- quite obviously -- ridden it much.
> > And it's a lovely robin egg's blue.
> > How much should I ask?
> > Please respond to me at kathleen1@mindspring.com
> > -------------------------
> Hello fellow moped people,
> I recieved this from a separate list. I already have one of these. Anybody else interested?
> -Bill Metteer
> >

Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:37:19 -0500
To: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:24:44 -0500
> To: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
> From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
> Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT
> > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > > > *************************************************
> > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:36:56 -0500 (EST)
> > To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> > From: Dashaun84@aol.com
> > Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT
> > > > Thanx alot Im going to check this guy out do you have the address?
> Lost the 800# for the Tomos Factory who services Fl....They were going
> to contact us regarding defective parts re: Tomas Targa Does anyone
> know the # ...I know it's in the manuel but unfortunately it's lost...
> Thanks, Tim & Alene



Folks:
I've answered my own question...Found the 800 # for Tomos...If anybody
needs it: 1-800-845-7007 We were told several months ago that there
are defects in the plastic side covers for the Targa LX and the factory
will replace them....


Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:55:06 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Vespa Grande wiring diagram`


Trying to sort out loose wires on a '79 Vespa Grande.
Can anyone help me find a wiring diagram?
Thanks Scott H.


Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:43:00 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Honda Express owners manual


Which model of Express do you have?
If it is a NC-50 or a NA-50 I have a new Honda manual for it.
Thanks Scott H


Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:01:13 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Wrnch@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1980 motobecane


Help!!!!! All attempts to locate a piston for this have failed by
application means. As near as can be determined it is some kind of
hybrid???. The piston is an Asso Werke with the number 2352 cast inside
the dome. Any help in locating a piston for this would be greatly
appreciated.

WRNCH@aol.com
Middletown Motorcycles
397 North Road
Middletown Springs, Vermont
05757-4450

802-235-BIKE (2453) V
802-235-9373 F


Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:59:04 -0800
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: RE: wiring kill button



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Should be a blue wire from ignition system, hook it to the wire on the =
kill switch. Make sure the kill switch is grounded when you are =
applying it, it should then kill the spark to the engine.=20

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Sent: Friday, November 21, 1997 6:05 PM
To: Moped Mailing List
Subject: Re: wiring kill button

*************************************************
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:07:22 -0600
To: airdo@ix.netcom.com
From: airdo@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: wiring kill button


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:39:37 +0100
> To: > From: staal@concepts.nl
> Subject: Re: wiring kill button
> > ----------
> | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
> | Aan: Moped Mailing List > | Onderwerp: wiring kill button
> | Datum: donderdag 20 november 1997 22:28
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> | Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:28:11 -0600
> | To: airdo@ix.netcom.com
> | From: airdo@ix.netcom.com
> | Subject: wiring kill button
> |
> |
> | HI MOPEDLERS,NEED TO KNOW HOW TO WIRE THE KILL BUTTON (ON -OFF
> SWITCH).
> | IN MAG.THANKS.
> |
> > over the breaker points....
> > breakerpoint
> ign---------V------------------ground
> |-------------cutoffswitch---- ground
> > get it ?
> Peter. =20
DOES THAT MEAN I CAN SOLDER ONE WIRE FROM SWITCH TO CONDENSER
AND THE OTHER WIRE TO A GROUND? WILL THAT WORK? THE CONDENSER IS
ALREADY WIRED TO THE POINTS.BUT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS ANOTHER WIRE
TO CONDENSER THAT WAS TAKEN OFF. I WONDERED IF THAT WIRE WAS ORIGINALY
FOR KILL BUTTON. THANKS AGAIN, CARLO.





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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:55:53 -0800
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: RE: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT



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I have at the store, will get it and send it to you. Tony

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From: daugava@nothnbut.net[SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 1997 6:24 AM
To: Moped Mailing List
Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:24:44 -0500
To: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
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> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:36:56 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Dashaun84@aol.com
> Subject: Re: The Moped Warehouse in Plainville CT
> > Thanx alot Im going to check this guy out do you have the address?
Lost the 800# for the Tomos Factory who services Fl....They were going
to contact us regarding defective parts re: Tomas Targa Does anyone
know the # ...I know it's in the manuel but unfortunately it's lost...
Thanks, Tim & Alene



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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:16:25 -0800
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: RE: Old mopeds to part out



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May be interested. Where are you located? Tony

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From: daugava@nothnbut.net[SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 1997 4:39 AM
To: Moped Mailing List
Subject: Old mopeds to part out

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:06:37 -0500 (EST)
To: DAUGAVA@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Old mopeds to part out


I recently got a pickup truckload of old "parts bikes". Some of the brands
were; Honda PA50, Batavus (old), Motron, Puch, Motobecane (stripped bare), and JC
Penny Swinger ( Puch).
Most are not in very good shape, but motors can be made to run.
Let me know if can help you with parts, too much work to restore them.
Scott H



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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:19:58 -0800
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: RE: Targa Exhaust



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Running it too lean. Anytime you improve exhaust flow, you need to increase the amount of fuel to the engine. May need to rejet your carb.

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From: daugava@nothnbut.net[SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 7:25 PM
To: Moped Mailing List
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:34:22 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Targa Exhaust


In a message dated 97-11-20 11:29:13 EST, you write:

<< but a cold overheating below top speed.... doesn't sound sane to me, more
likely to me is the fact that the pluhg dies out by getting oily, because
between half full and full it mostly doesn't use more gas but only more air
to make power, and with 2/3 gas to 3/4 or 4/5 it get a little to much gas
and to less air to burn perfect, so it burns with a big oil film, (and
bigga smoke signals ), kills the plug (untl cleaning) in a oil bath.
open some times the gas completely to let the machine breath some fresh air
and burn the sticky oil parts''. and / or adjust the mix to a leaner mix
(be care full, if it has some thing to do with heat, this is not
adviceable, i can't judge that from here).
i don't know thy you drive at that speed, but >>
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear before. The problem occurs after extended
periond of full throttle. Usually the time spent at full throttle is between
10-15 minutes without stopping. Also, I've had the plug out immediately
after the incidents occured (I always carry a spare plug, easy fix to many
problems) and it had no buildup on it, and even a brand new plug failed to
revive it. If I let it set to cool for about 20 minutes It fires up again
and runs fine. As I said, this only happens when the engine is hot (so hot
that the spark plug wrench is too hot to hold without a cloth from about 20
seconds after touching the plug until a very long time after.)



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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:55:00 -0800
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" From: brennan@ramlink.net
Subject: RE: 1962motobecane



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Once you determine what you want to sell this moped for, let me know. I =
may want it simply to display in my store. Do you have a picture, etc. =
You could mail me a copy to Tony Weinfurtner, The Motorcycle Store, 202 =
Vernon St., Ironton, Ohio 45638. Thanks, Tony

----------
From: daugava@nothnbut.net[SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 1997 11:50 AM
To: Moped Mailing List
Subject: RE: 1962motobecane

*************************************************
Date: 22 Nov 1997 10:16:28 -0800
To: "DAUGAVA@NOTHNBUT.NET" From: WILMET@SAFECO.com
Subject: RE: 1962motobecane


To COPYTO Addressee List From WILMET (HO) Type N 11-22-97 =
10:16a
Need your collective wisdom on how much I could reasonably expect to =
sell the subject bike for. It has 300 miles on it and has had two =
owners. Both have kept it under shelter at all times. Neither has -- =
quite obviously -- ridden it much.

And it's a lovely robin egg's blue.

How much should I ask?

Please respond to me at kathleen1@mindspring.com

-------------------------
Hello fellow moped people,
I recieved this from a separate list. I already have one of these. =
Anybody else interested?
-Bill Metteer



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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:26:29 -0800
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: wookie@rfx.com
Subject: 78 Puch Maxi problem


I have a puch moped that was running just fine,
until the magneto flywheel vibrated loose, and it died. I found the
woodruff key had worn down and replaced it, which made the points open
up at TDC again, but still no spark. I then tested the wires and
disconnected to ground from the kill switch to eliminate that.
I also tested continuity from engine to coil and found the wires in the
wiring block loose as well and fixed that. Still no spark, switched
coils, still no spark. I am not measuring voltage out of the engine
which bothers me most. Magnetism seems cool, and it ran fine last week,
so I doubt its that. I am leaning toward the condensor at this point,
but I will first try every wire to make sure there is not obvios shorts

anywhere and besides its a moped so it may have 12 wires total. I know
this is a mundane moped question, but I am stumped and I am almost never

bugged by electrical mysteries. Any help would be appreciated.

Jim W.



Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:52:58 -0400 (EDT)
To: <199711241456.IAA19918@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: mopeds in wny


There is a guy in Rochester who owns a PUCH. You can find his name on
Andrew's moped pages under moped owners. If you e-mail this guy, he can
probably give you some advice. Also, you can check in the Swap Sheet.
Don't bother going to Wegman's though, they don't sell mopeds.

Michael Liu

On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:18:36 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: GeeeTeee@aol.com
> Subject: Re: mopeds in wny
> > > East aurora subburb of buffalo
> >


Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:57:31 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Old mopeds to part out


Tony, I am in Mansfield, OH



Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:03:14 -0400 (EDT)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: MS-TNEF


some of the messages have an application attatched of MS_TNEF type



WHAT IS THIS?????

Michael Liu



Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:05:42 -0500 (EST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: danny@dreamscape.com
Subject: Re: Vespa Grande wiring diagram`



On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 Huvz@aol.com wrote:

> Trying to sort out loose wires on a '79 Vespa Grande.
> Can anyone help me find a wiring diagram?
> Thanks Scott H.

If you're the least bit interested, Vespa Supershop in San Diego has them
for sale for like $1.10 or thereabouts ...


~ Danny ~

~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
syracuse ska!! all about scooters!! -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-



Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:28:08 -0500
To: paltron@interlog.com
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Vespa Grande wiring diagram`


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:55:06 -0500 (EST)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Huvz@aol.com
> Subject: Vespa Grande wiring diagram`
> > Trying to sort out loose wires on a '79 Vespa Grande.
> Can anyone help me find a wiring diagram?
> Thanks Scott H.
Turn signals or no turn signals?The wiring is different. But your best
bet is to call Vespa Supershop in San Diego, CA. 619-574-1818



Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:48:25 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: golfwork@infinet.com
Subject: Bombardier moped needs repair


GillSans_BoldHey, I have a 1982
Bombardier that needs repair - anyone know where I can find a manual?
It is Canadian I think and probably from Quebec. If you can put me onto
a source of info I'd appreciate it. . . enjoy the postings Thanks
-Gilligan




Date: 24 Nov 1997 13:02:46 -0800
To: "DAUGAVA@NOTHNBUT.NET" From: WILMET@SAFECO.com
Subject: RE: 1962motobecane


To COPYTO Addressee List From WILMET (HO) Type N 11-24-97 1:02p
FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net
1 object(s) were dropped:

Once you determine what you want to sell this moped for, let me know. I = may want it simply to display in my store. Do you have a picture, etc. = You could mail me a copy to Tony Weinfurtner, The Motorcycle Store, 202 = Vernon St., Ironton, Ohio 45638. Thanks, Tony

Send her an e mail. KATHLEEN1@MINDSPRING.COM
To: "DAUGAVA@NOTHNBUT.NET" From: WILMET@SAFECO.com
Subject: RE: 1962motobecane

To COPYTO Addressee List From WILMET (HO) Type N 11-22-97 = 10:16a
Need your collective wisdom on how much I could reasonably expect to = sell the subject bike for. It has 300 miles on it and has had two = owners. Both have kept it under shelter at all times. Neither has -- = quite obviously -- ridden it much.

And it's a lovely robin egg's blue.

How much should I ask?

Please respond to me at kathleen1@mindspring.com

-------------------------
Hello fellow moped people,
I recieved this from a separate list. I already have one of these. = Anybody else interested?
-Bill Metteer



Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:25:26 +0100
To: From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject: Re: 78 Puch Maxi problem




----------
| Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
| Aan: Moped Mailing List | Onderwerp: 78 Puch Maxi problem
| Datum: maandag 24 november 1997 19:26
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:26:29 -0800
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: wookie@rfx.com
| Subject: 78 Puch Maxi problem
|
|
| I have a puch moped that was running just fine,
| until the magneto flywheel vibrated loose, and it died. I found the
| woodruff key had worn down and replaced it, which made the points open
| up at TDC again, but still no spark. I then tested the wires and
| disconnected to ground from the kill switch to eliminate that.
| I also tested continuity from engine to coil and found the wires in the
| wiring block loose as well and fixed that. Still no spark, switched
| coils, still no spark. I am not measuring voltage out of the engine
| which bothers me most. Magnetism seems cool, and it ran fine last week,
| so I doubt its that. I am leaning toward the condensor at this point,
| but I will first try every wire to make sure there is not obvios shorts
|
| anywhere and besides its a moped so it may have 12 wires total. I know
| this is a mundane moped question, but I am stumped and I am almost never
|
| bugged by electrical mysteries. Any help would be appreciated.
|
| Jim W.
|
|
possible both coils bad ? or shortcut in coil , or what you said condensor
gone.. easy test for this uncouple it(condensor) and it must run then only
with large sparks on points, thats all..
possible short cut to frame in kill wire?
where did you assume to measure voltage ? on the light coil ? if dead check
for ground / bad contact at groundplate ? (never heared of but never the
less)

good luck
Peter.



Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:08:49 -0600
To: airdo@ix.netcom.com
From: airdo@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Old mopeds to part out


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> May be interested. Where are you located? Tony
> > ----------
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net[SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 1997 4:39 AM
> To: Moped Mailing List
> Subject: Old mopeds to part out
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:06:37 -0500 (EST)
> To: DAUGAVA@nothnbut.net
> From: Huvz@aol.com
> Subject: Old mopeds to part out
> > I recently got a pickup truckload of old "parts bikes". Some of the
> brands
> were; > Honda PA50, Batavus (old), Motron, Puch, Motobecane (stripped bare),
> and JC
> Penny Swinger ( Puch).
> Most are not in very good shape, but motors can be made to run.
> Let me know if can help you with parts, too much work to restore
> them.
> Scott H
> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > HI SCOTT, WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE J.C. PENNY SWINGER PARTS. BUT,
> DONT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT PARTS MIGHT BE NEEDED AT THIS TIME.BIKE WAS PUT
> AWAY FOR WINTER.BUT I KNOW I WILL BE NEEDING SOMETHING.COME SPRING.
> THANKS CARLO.
>




Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:21:44 -0600
To: airdo@ix.netcom.com
From: airdo@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Searching for a moped...


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:32:10 EST
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: browncrew@juno.com
> Subject: Re: Searching for a moped...
> > I know where you can get a new Testi moped for $500 dollars. I can
> sell
> you one, but I am in NJ. If you want to work something out to have it
> > picked-up or shipped, let me know.
> > Keith Brown
> k_brown@msn.com
> > On Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:18:33 -0500 (EST) daugava@nothnbut.net writes:
> >*************************************************
> >Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:18:33 -0500 (EST)
> >To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> >From: JoeVR5@aol.com
> >Subject: Searching for a moped...
> > > > > >Hi everybody!!
> > > >My name is Joe and I am looking for a moped to buy that is under
> 5-600
> >dollars. I live in Northern Virginia. I would appreciate it greatly
> > >if
> >anyone has any suggestions, or hints about buying a moped. Thanks!!
> > > >-Joe
> >I LIVE IN IL. HAVE A SEARS FREE SPIRIT,AND A VESPA SI` MODEL FOR
> SALE.ALL HAVE TITLES. ALSO, PARTS FOR VESPA`S BRAVO` ,CIAO. THANKS
> AIRDO@IX.NETCOM.COM
> > > >




Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:51:56
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: drstupid@usa.net
Subject: Re: [Re: Testi Moped Info Sought]


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
>> *************************************************
>> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:32:10 EST
>> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
>> From: browncrew@juno.com
>> Subject: Re: Testi Moped Info Sought
>> >> >> I can get you a new Testi for $550. They are still in the box so you
>> will have to assemble it yourself....
>> >> Keith Brown
>> k_brown@msn.com
>> >> On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:21:43 -0800 daugava@nothnbut.net writes:
>> >*************************************************
>> >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:21:43 -0800
>> >To: daugava@nothnbut.net
>> >From: catrinus.j.wallet@exgate.tek.com
>> >Subject: Testi Moped Info Sought
>> > >> > >> >Some time ago I posted a plea for help in identifying
>> >data on my Gitane Confort Lux moped from the early
>> >70's (guessing). Most of the replies indicated that Gitane
>> >didn't make a moped and I thought I was at a dead end.
>> >Recently, I found this mention in Hugo Wilson's
>> >the "Encyclopedia of the Motorcycle", published in 1995:
>> > >> >Gitane c. 1947-1980 Until the 1960's this bicycle
>> >manufacturer built mopeds and motorcycles using
>> >100cc to 175cc VAP, Ydral, and Sachs engines. In
>> >the 1970's it sold a 40cc Italian Testi with a Gitane
>> >label, but this ended when Renault took over the company
>> >in 1980. (Emphasis added).
>> > >> >So I'm getting close! Who knows somethings about Testi
>> >mopeds, and are parts still available? Again, the engine
>> >is a "Motori Minarelli" with a Dellorto carb.
>> > >> >Thanks in advance for any help you can give me!
>> > >> >You can reply to the group or you can write me directly
>> >at catrinus.wallet@juno.com
>> > >> >Catrinus Wallet
>> >Portland, OR, USA
>> > >> > >> >

Are Testi mopeds nice?? $550 isn't half bad..
DS

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:48:55 -0800 (PST)
To: Moped Mailing List From: dgwood@pacifier.com
Subject: Re: 78 Puch Maxi problem



Re: the mysterious electrical problem- try the condensor, also
try the stator windings in the coil. You can sort of test it with an ohm
meter. Disconect both wires from the stator coil and test the leads with
an ohm meter. If you read zero ohms you have a short. If you have
infinite ohms you have an open (broken wire inside the coil). If you get a
reading, usually a fairly low value like 8 or 15, you may be OK. SOme
times you can have an insulation failure that doesn't show up until the
coil is loaded. Under that circumstance, you need a megohmeter to be sure
and an ohm meter may show the coil as OK.

-Dave



Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:16:26 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: therav4@juno.com
Subject: FS: Mopeds (2)


I am selling 2 mopeds.
1976 Bianchi Moped - runs great, no turning signals or horn though -
pedal start - give me an offer
1981 Honda moped - runs great - turning signals, horn, everything -
I am in NJ if you are from out of state and interested, we will
set up picking up arrangement or you pay for shipping and handeling
charges

Please email therav4@juno.com with questions and offers.

Selling these to buy a new moped



Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:04:05 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: mopeds in wny


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:52:58 -0400 (EDT)
> To: <199711241456.IAA19918@mail.valuenet.net> > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
> Subject: Re: mopeds in wny
> > There is a guy in Rochester who owns a PUCH. You can find his name on
> Andrew's moped pages under moped owners. If you e-mail this guy, he can
> probably give you some advice. Also, you can check in the Swap Sheet.
> Don't bother going to Wegman's though, they don't sell mopeds.
> > Michael Liu
> > On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > > *************************************************
> > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:18:36 -0500 (EST)
> > To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> > From: GeeeTeee@aol.com
> > Subject: Re: mopeds in wny
> > > > > > East aurora subburb of buffalo
> > > > Apparently or at least allegedle, there's also Kenny's Sportshop in
Batavia 716-948-5775. Art (the fellow's name) claims to have owned a
Puch and Sachs dealership a while back and still does some business in
parts. Don't bother leaving a message, he never returns calls.



Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:17:40 -0500
To: Moped Mailing List From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: rating of mopeds for sale


Taken from a couple of European "oldtimer" motorcycle/moped/scooter
magazines, I suggest that we adapt the same rating system to save on
blurb and make it clearer to everyone:
A- restoration project, parts missing, body/frame shows age but the bike
as a whole IS salvageable (engine may be seized but not shut)
B- engine not seized, should run, bike more or less complete, some
non-crucial parts could be missing or need replacement (cables,
brakeshoes, tires, that kind of a stuff)
C- complete, nothing missing, running condition
D- same as C, but under 1,000 kms or miles, showroom condition (very
rare!)



Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:46:57 -0500
To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
From: libertybell7@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Bombardier moped needs repair


I think that you may have a sachs suburban. I have 2 of them from the
same year. Does it have a Sach's engine? For a service manual try
Steve at Mopedmoped@aol.com. Regards Mike.

daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > ************************************************* Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:48:25 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From: golfwork@infinet.com Subject: Bombardier moped needs repair
> > Hey, I have a 1982 Bombardier that needs repair - anyone know where I can find a manual? It is Canadian I think and probably from Quebec. If you can put me onto a source of info I'd appreciate it. . . enjoy the postings Thanks -Gilligan



Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:40:36 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Old mopeds to part out


Carlo
The carb and aircleaner are spoken for already ( JC PENNY SWINGER ).
Take a look and let me know what you may need. Maybe wont be there in spring.
Thanks Scott H



Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:40:53 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Old mopeds to part out


Tony - Im in Mansfield, OH



Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:42:45 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Vespa Grande wiring diagram`


No turn signals on this model.
Thanks



Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:55:24 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: CrUsHeR78@aol.com
Subject: Re: 78 Puch Maxi problem


try regaping the points



Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:38:42 -0600
To: "Mailing List" From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject: 21 Scooter links


My email penpal Voytek have sent me this impressive
collection of scooter links:

* * * start of quote * * *
Let's start to look into Websites which I have found:

1. Polish scooter WFM Osa (osa means wasp)

http://www.pol.pl/PL10/news._p/motor/retro-sa/osa/index.htm

2. Taiwan Golden Bee (TGB)

http://www.victor.com.tw/tgb/main.htm

3. Sundiro from China: (600.000 per year)

http://192.41.37.73/INDEX.HTM

4. C&R Cushman

http://crcushman.com/

5. BMW C1

http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbmw/c1.html

6. Lambretta whole story:

http://www.suria.it/lambretta/Modelli.html

7. MBK Yamaha France

http://www.integra.fr/MBK/accueil-en.htm

8. Peugeot (not a factory site)

http://www.forteco.sci.fi/index.htm

9. KYMCO Taiwan (from Germany)

http://www.kymco.de/

10. Daelim Korea

http://www.dmc.co.kr/

11. Hyosung Korea

http://www.kotra.co.kr/product/hs-code/hs81-90/hs87/hyosung1.html

12. Vespa ET4 and ET2

http://ftp.motorcycle.com/mo/mcvespa/et4.html

13. Honda Japan (you need 5 hours to enjoy it)

http://www.honda.co.jp/motor/

14. French Electric Scooters and others

http://www.edf.fr/html/fr/mag/voiture/groupe.htm

15. Honda France (by dealer)

http://www.japauto.com/motos/modeles/scooters/index.htm

16. History of Solex

http://www.mygale.org/06/bsuzanne/solex/us/index.html

17. Qingqi of China (monster size factory) known as Kasea in USA

http://www.china-qingqi.com/chanpe.htm

18. Atala (Cezare Rizzato Italy) by German importer

http://www.zr-germany.com/fdatala.htm

19. Bajaj of India (official)

http://www.wmi.co.in/bajaj/

20. Italjet Velocifero in USA

http://www.bmwny.com/scooter1.html

21. Sanyang Taiwan (SYM)

http://www.sym.com.tw/eindex.htm


Tomorrow more sites!

Voytek
* * * start of quote * * *



Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:15:51 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: browncrew@juno.com
Subject: Re: Testi Moped Info Sought]


Reply with your mailing address and I'll send you a brochure...

Keith Brown

>Are Testi mopeds nice?? $550 isn't half bad..
>DS



Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:15:51 EST
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: browncrew@juno.com
Subject: Re: FS: Mopeds (2)


How much are you asking for them. I am in NJ.

Thanks,

Keith Brown

On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:16:26 -0500 daugava@nothnbut.net writes:
>*************************************************
>Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:16:26 -0500
>To: daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: therav4@juno.com
>Subject: FS: Mopeds (2)
> > >I am selling 2 mopeds.
>1976 Bianchi Moped - runs great, no turning signals or horn though -
>pedal start - give me an offer
>1981 Honda moped - runs great - turning signals, horn, everything -
> I am in NJ if you are from out of state and interested, we
>will
>set up picking up arrangement or you pay for shipping and handeling
>charges
> > Please email therav4@juno.com with questions and offers.
> >Selling these to buy a new moped
> > >


Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:02:30 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: MaytagTwin@aol.com
Subject: Re: 21 Scooter links


In a message dated 97-11-26 04:04:15 EST, you write:

<<
Voytek
* * * start of quote * * *

>> Voytek,
Thanks for the sites. I will spend some happy hours looking.
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia USA
maytagtwin@aol.com



Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:02:38 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com
Subject: Re: 78 Puch Maxi problem


Most of the time an ohm reading is not usefull. It's generally very difficult
to get a good reading of low ohms. In addition, a single shorted winding will
not be measurable. Though not measurable, a single shorted winding will
totally kill the output voltage from the winding. The best way to check this
would be to use a voltmeter, and measure AC volts while turning over the
engine. If there's no voltage - the winding is shot.
Chuck

daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:48:55 -0800 (PST)
> To: Moped Mailing List > From: dgwood@pacifier.com
> Subject: Re: 78 Puch Maxi problem
> > Re: the mysterious electrical problem- try the condensor, also
> try the stator windings in the coil. You can sort of test it with an ohm
> meter. Disconect both wires from the stator coil and test the leads with
> an ohm meter. If you read zero ohms you have a short. If you have
> infinite ohms you have an open (broken wire inside the coil). If you get a
> reading, usually a fairly low value like 8 or 15, you may be OK. SOme
> times you can have an insulation failure that doesn't show up until the
> coil is loaded. Under that circumstance, you need a megohmeter to be sure
> and an ohm meter may show the coil as OK.
> > -Dave





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:09:25 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com
Subject: Re: 78 Puch Maxi problem


Usually a bad condensor will 'open'. This makes it appear as though it's not
installed. I had a lawnmower once that wouldn't run at all because of this. If
the condensor is suspected as the problem, better to replace it (they are cheap
enough). If you know someone with a capacitance meter, it could be checked -
should read about .1 microfarad.
Chuck

daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:25:26 +0100
> To: > From: staal@concepts.nl
> Subject: Re: 78 Puch Maxi problem
> > ----------
> | Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
> | Aan: Moped Mailing List > | Onderwerp: 78 Puch Maxi problem
> | Datum: maandag 24 november 1997 19:26
> |
> | *************************************************
> | Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:26:29 -0800
> | To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> | From: wookie@rfx.com
> | Subject: 78 Puch Maxi problem
> |
> |
> | I have a puch moped that was running just fine,
> | until the magneto flywheel vibrated loose, and it died. I found the
> | woodruff key had worn down and replaced it, which made the points open
> | up at TDC again, but still no spark. I then tested the wires and
> | disconnected to ground from the kill switch to eliminate that.
> | I also tested continuity from engine to coil and found the wires in the
> | wiring block loose as well and fixed that. Still no spark, switched
> | coils, still no spark. I am not measuring voltage out of the engine
> | which bothers me most. Magnetism seems cool, and it ran fine last week,
> | so I doubt its that. I am leaning toward the condensor at this point,
> | but I will first try every wire to make sure there is not obvios shorts
> |
> | anywhere and besides its a moped so it may have 12 wires total. I know
> | this is a mundane moped question, but I am stumped and I am almost never
> |
> | bugged by electrical mysteries. Any help would be appreciated.
> |
> | Jim W.
> |
> |
> possible both coils bad ? or shortcut in coil , or what you said condensor
> gone.. easy test for this uncouple it(condensor) and it must run then only
> with large sparks on points, thats all..
> possible short cut to frame in kill wire?
> where did you assume to measure voltage ? on the light coil ? if dead check
> for ground / bad contact at groundplate ? (never heared of but never the
> less)
> > good luck
> Peter.





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:56:37 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: zoboo@passport.ca
Subject: unsubcribe


thank you.......



Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:23:26 -0500
To: laurinj@videotron.ca
From: laurinj@videotron.ca
Subject: Re: Bombardier moped needs repair


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > ************************************************* Date: Mon, 24 Nov
> 1997 15:48:25 -0500 To: daugava@nothnbut.net From:
> golfwork@infinet.com Subject: Bombardier moped needs repair
> > Hey, I have a 1982 Bombardier that needs repair - anyone know where I
> can find a manual? It is Canadian I think and probably from Quebec. If
> you can put me onto a source of info I'd appreciate it. . . enjoy the
> postings Thanks -Gilligan

The Bonbardier is a Puch made under Canadian license during the 70's I
have parts and manual here if you want (i'm in Montreéal, Qc...) you can
reach me by e-mail at laurinj@videotron.ca or tel: (514)747-3368

Jean-Sébastien Laurin

parts and restorations on 60,70,80's mopeds
PUCH-MOTOBÉCANE-SOLEX-VESPA-ETC...



Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:05:36 -0400 (EDT)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: Mickey's Mopeds


Mickey's Mopeds is located about 45 minutes from New York City. Mickey has
ALOT OF USED (and working) PUCH parts. He has alot of other things too but
I only have eyes for PUCH.

Mickey's is a real moped store. WHat do I mean by this?

There are only mopeds (as classified by New Jersey) in his store. No
mini-bikes, no dirt bikes, no skateboards, no skateboards with motors, no
motorcycles, no bicycles, no computers, no ATVs, ONLY MOPEDS AND MOPED
RELATED THINGS.

Mickey understands the law of supply and demand. If you demand a moped, he
will supply it to you-just the way you like it. If you want a PUCH, he'll
get you a PUCH instead of saying check back in 3 weeks. He will also make
sure it is in good condition.

In the back of his shop is his workspace, which has many of the used PUCH
parts, clutch linings, and for some reasons a large number of TOMOS clutch
linings. There are also bikes that he is fixing for people.

I get the impression that he knows his stuff. If you want a used moped in
great condition, give Mickey a call.

Michael Liu



Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:11:33 -0600
To: "Mailing List" From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject: Many questions


Long time ago, before the birth of Moped Mailing List, I started a section
on my site, called
"looking of info". Lots of questions were asked there, but I am not sure
how many were answered.
So, I will repost the questions here.
Probably, the best way would be to reply to them by email, because not all
of these people
could be subscribed to this list... however, if you think that your answer
may be of interest
to others, by all means, send a copy to the Moped List as well!

Ok, here it goes:
****************************************************************************
*******
I am in need of a wiring diagram for a JAWA TRANSISTOR 40. The VIN # 168695
JAWA-BABETTA 1977. I
was able to get an OWNERS MANUAL for this unit but, it did not contain any
wiring diagram.
RBEREL@ROHMHAAS.com
* * *
looking for repair manual for 95 Tomos Targa Lx
(swim@ctg.net)
* * *
Anyone know anything about Motobacane mopeds. I have an old one (70's ?)
thats been stored for years. It now
starts and runs but I can't find a place for parts (or anything else)
Company is out of business I think. Any info is
much appreciated!
* * *
I have a RAP 49cc made by Rex Motoren Werk Munchen 1956 model. Does anyone
have any technical or
historical information for me many thanks
(pestech@dockside.co.za)
* * *
looking for information on Columbia motor bike.
(DM1703)
* * *
looking for information about a Piaggio Ciao moped built in 1970 TOPMEO
* * *
(Anybody ever heard of a "Job" moped? The name might be a model of another
brand. RockyJim@aol.com)
* * *
A co-worker picked up a moped which has the words "American Moped" stamped
on the bottom of the engine
case, and the name "Indian" in two other places. Can anyone give me any
information about this scooter?
(bsteele1@tir.com)
* * *
I just purchased a Moto Guzzi moped. I believe it is called a ROBIN.
Anybody out there have any info on this
particular model. It's a 1978 model. Thanks! Charlie
(kauthmay@ocslink.com)
* * *
I am looking for plans to build my own goped using a victa 160cc lawn mower
engine, any ideas?
(falla@netspace.net.au)
* * *
I recently bought a Honda moped. I do not know what is is because all it
says is "Honda V Matic" Does anybody
know what model moped that is, or where to look. Thanks
(Locoryan@aol.com)
* * *
I'm looking to get information on Derby mopeds.
(ward@javanet.com)
* * *
Could anyone help me locate some parts for a Cimatti City Bike 1975.
(jonesp@netusa1.net)
* * *
I am looking for a whizzer motor that is complete or has all the parts, and
a gas tank. thanks EM
(acman@sols.net)
* * *
Hey Folks! I am looking for ways to gas power my bicycle so I can commute
my 100 mile drive to work and
other places. I have ideas how to build what I want, but was wondering if
any other folks have ideas..need it to
have abillity to go 40 mph, even though i will probably only go as fast as
30. prefer chain drive.
(mcs@macnet.com)
* * *
Anyone know where i can find a cheap priceon a motor. (under $170)
(maddog_84hotmail.net)
* * *
I recently purchased a Whizzer motorized bicycle. Would like more info
about what I've got!
(bshultz@pld.com)
* * *
Looking for info on a Columbia Commuter Moped.
(lensam@smart1.net)
* * *
Anybody know of any big bore kits for the 100cc Speedfight please respond.
(stephen@ibl.bm)
* * *
All I know of is P.M. Tuning in Egland that has a muffler and jets,
rollers. But thats not all I want
* * *
I want to buy a Sachs engine with 3 or 4 gears.. Not too expensive!
(ankr.ankr@stockholm.mail.telia.com)
* * *
Hello people, i'm from the dutch so my englisch isn't so good, i'm looking
for everything that, scooter
SPEEDFIGHT iff you have information, pictures or other stuff, send it
pleace to me!!!! if you do that you can
make a request where you are looking for!!!
(area_51@euronet.nl)
****************************************************************************
********

Andrew



Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:55:27 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: rjp34kv@epix.net
Subject: Sears/Puch


Hello list! Hope someone here can help?

I've just unearthed a Sears-Cheyenne (Puch) Moped. Mod# 810.89529

It's got knobbies on the front and rear, a strap on black and chrome
fuel tank, and a high pipe. Anyone know what year these were made, or if
parts are available somewhere?

The only missing parts appear to be the front axle and the taillight
lens. The cables are there but rusted solid.

The engine spins and seems to have good compression, so I need to know
the correct gas/oil mix ratio, and what would be the correct spark plug
to use?

Greatly appreciate ANY info! THANKS

Bob Pryor
rjp34kv@epix.net
in SE PA
(mostly 305 Hondas)



Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 11:47:38 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: zoboo@passport.ca
Subject: unsubscibe


Please take me off your mailing list....I actually really liked it but this
is nthe computer at work and I am getting in trouble....

thanks anywaz

mike f



Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 11:56:42 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: RED5596422@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mickey's Mopeds


What his the phone number to this place? And where is it?



George



Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:11:29 -0400 (EDT)
To: <199711270205.UAA19320@mail.valuenet.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: Sears/Puch



for PUCH related Parts I would suggest the following stores:

Long Island - Two For the Road Cycles
Connecticutt - The Moped Warehouse or The Moped Center
New Jersey - Mickey's Mopeds or Steve's Bicycle and Moped Shop

Most of these guys have PUCH parts lying around-in some cases they are
unused-in others they are used. Look on this list for all the phone
numbers.

Michael Liu

On Wed, 26 Nov 1997 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:55:27 -0500
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: rjp34kv@epix.net
> Subject: Sears/Puch
> > > Hello list! Hope someone here can help?
> > I've just unearthed a Sears-Cheyenne (Puch) Moped. Mod# 810.89529
> > It's got knobbies on the front and rear, a strap on black and chrome
> fuel tank, and a high pipe. Anyone know what year these were made, or if
> parts are available somewhere?
> > The only missing parts appear to be the front axle and the taillight
> lens. The cables are there but rusted solid.
> > The engine spins and seems to have good compression, so I need to know
> the correct gas/oil mix ratio, and what would be the correct spark plug
> to use?
> > Greatly appreciate ANY info! THANKS
> > Bob Pryor
> rjp34kv@epix.net
> in SE PA
> (mostly 305 Hondas)
> > >


Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:01:37 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: a.ghosh@utoronto.ca
Subject: help me,.. need PUCH help


i go this moped. i have no clue what model it is.
it says nothing. it's a PUCH bombardier. that's all it says.
it was made in 1975 in Australia. I looked at a couple of pics
on the net, and i came accross one which is somewhat similar,
but not. the file was called mop-puch. i think its in the gallery.
not sure. well take a look at it. if you have any idea what kind
of PUCH it is, can ya tell me.

Thanx.. Filter from Toronto



Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:08:32 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Dashaun84@aol.com
Subject: Re: Searching for a moped...


Hi I live in New Jersey and Im interrested in buying a good running moped
under $200



Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:14:06 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Dashaun84@aol.com
Subject: Re: FS: Mopeds (2)


Hi I live in Hillside NJ and Im really interrested in your Honda moped for
sale.But all I can spend is $200 ,and I wont even have that until
Christmas.PLEASE REPLY



Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 05:00:56 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject: Parting out


Parting out the following mopeds: JC Penney(Puch) Swinger,
JAWA (old)
Batavus (old)
Puch, Puch Maxi
Honda PA50
Bikes are in rough condition, but lots of useable parts.
Scott H



Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:55:05 -0500
To: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: GOT ARRESTED WHILE DRIVING A MOPED


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:30:31 -0000
> To: > From: Kowiachobee.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net
> Subject:
Today, my boyfriend Tim got arrested in Lee County, Fl. while driving
his Tomos Targa Lx..The officer told him he needed a drivers
license..helmet, etc....Not true...The reason Tim bought a moped in the
first place is that he cannot get a license...I am positive the law has
not changed...What does anybody suggest...it's a peddled bike and under
49cc's.....It cost us $100. for a bail bondsman and $1,000 in collaratal
and they impounded the moped..costing $75. plus $10. per day....

The officer was certain and so was I...but i have no proof...The dealer
where we purchased the moped was no help at all.....any suggestions,
cause the same thing could happen the next time he drives the moped in
Lee County, Fl...We put a plate on the back, registered it legally, so
should we not have registered it....Ya didn't need a license to register
it.....The cop said that when Tim was stopped he was not peddling it,
and the bike was motorized so he considered it a vehicle that ya need a
license to drive....How can we straighten this out before his court date
and for future moped drivers in Fl...... Thanks Alene & Tim



Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:42:18 -0400 (EDT)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: my 1977 1 hp PUCH Maxi-Luxe



I purchased:

60 cc kit from Steve's Bicycle and Moped World (mopedmoped@aol.com)
18 tooth front sprocket and 36 tooth rear from Micky's Moped's
(tomostomos@aol.com)
A 2-speed transmission off a parts Bike from The Moped Warehouse
(no e-mail, yet)
Motorcycle tires from JC Whitney
THe pickup is incredible, but the top speed flattens out at 35 mph

Steve is going to look over my install since the lack of performance is
probably due to my inexperience with tuning.


Michael Liu



Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:44:47 -0400 (EDT)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: ATF type AF


I saw ATF type AF at PEP BOYS. It's made by valvoline and costs about
$1.80/qt. After reading the back of it, it seems to fit the same same
specs as ATF type F which is what I use in my PUCH. The ATF type F is
about $1.50.

Michael Liu



Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 13:41:34 -0500 (EST)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: RED5596422@aol.com
Subject: Moped WANTED


I am looking for a non running ped that is pricewise cheap Preferably a
kickstart but pedal start ok




George



Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:49:26 -0400 (EDT)
To: Andrei Zaitsev From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: please post for sale:


For sale (ALL USED):

PUCH Maxi Cylinder/Piston - 49 cc works fine $30
PUCH Newport II Cyclinder/Piston/head - 49 cc - works fine $40
60 cc Eurocyclinder/Piston assembly - less than 200 miles works fine $100
2 PUCH Maxi Exhaust pipes (one beat up/one excellent) - pair $25
2 Bing Carbs for Maxi (one beat up/one good) -pair $25

I am in Long Island. It is probably better if we are in driving distance
of each other-otherwise you pay for shipping. If you are not experianced
with this kind of stuff, please do not repond. I know all of the
cyclinder stuff works because I've used it, I'm in the process of
upgrading so that is why I have these parts.They were removed from working
bikes to make room for upgraded equipment. If you want me to ship it-you
pay for shipping costs.


Michael Liu



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