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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 20:04:06 -0400
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: zuendapp debacle
> I don't know what a "45er" sprocket is
the rear sprocket has 45 teeth
> two on a bike - that is illegal in America
exactly my point ;)
my zuendapp only had 1.5 hp legally, so it really shouldn't have done
all that it did but thanx to decent engineering...
i must get me another mofa to play with...
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 20:06:16 -0400
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: Re: Fw: A question about mopeds
> Yes. Remember the Volkswagon Jetta Trek? They gave you a free roof mounted
> bike rack and a Trek Mountain bike with the car.
that is so german. the yuppies from munich had surfboards mounted on
their beemers cuz it was chic. no place to surf tho. ? :(
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 20:11:18 -0400
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: WHAT RULES
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 18:11:13 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: AaronM428@aol.com
> Subject: Re: WHAT RULES
> > In a message dated 97-08-29 20:11:28 EDT, you write:
> >How did you put the "u" with the two dots above up?
> > While I am in America, I have talked with several Europeans about this. Most have some type of program to cut and paste such letters.
set the keyboard to "german" in "control panel/keyboard/language" and
you should have an "o+umlaut (=dots)" where the ";" is. its kinda
confusing since the keys change characters
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 22:04:58 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: zuendapp debacle
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 19:31:37 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: AaronM428@aol.com
> Subject: Re: zuendapp debacle
> > In a message dated 97-08-30 08:33:10 EDT, you write:
> >what bikes today have stock rear 45er sprockets and still run 40 km/h
> >untampered with (when they're supposed to max out at 25 km/h? can they
> >take two teens up the steepest hill in town without stalling?
> > I don't know what a "45er" sprocket is, but my new Tomos Targa LX maxes out
> at 40 mph (64.37376 kph) with only a new exaust (Stock 30 mph (48.28032
> kph)). I don't know if it can haul two people up our steepest hill, because
> that is illegal in America, but I am willing to bet that it could if I kept
> it in 1st gear (<15 mph) there is no way it could ever pull it off in 2nd
> gear. If I ride with the wind, I can get 43 mph (69.201792 kph) out of it,
> but that is rare.
The trick all moped manufacturers apply to keep the top speed down is to
play with the final drive ratios. The engines give enough torque so that
the bike could go faster, but the ratios limit the top speed. Example: a
2-seater Vespa Grande has EXACTLY the same engine and drivetrain as
let's say the Si or the Ciao. All three can do 50 kmh on the flat, the
Grande with one or two people on it, doesn't matter. I'm riding a
Piaggio Si now (I had a Tomos Bullet before). I just switched jets from
43 to 49 and my acceleration almost went through the roof. They love me
at the lights now a lot better. My top speed stayed at around 50-52
though.
Paul
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:56:33 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Moped tire
--- reply to ironcast
I have a new 19" by 2.25" tire for a moped that I have no use for. I
would sell it for $20 plus shipping but I do not know where to advertise
it for sale. I do not know which brands or models it fits. Thanks,
Terry.
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 23:15:24 +0200
To: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net
From: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: What Rules
> =
>
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: AaronM428@aol.com
> Subject: Re: WHAT RULES
> =
> =
> In a message dated 97-08-29 20:11:28 EDT, you write:
> >How did you put the "u" with the two dots above up?
> =
> While I am in America, I have talked with several Europeans about this.=
Most
> have some type of program to cut and paste such letters.
There is a cheaper, but slower do-it-yourself way of =
doing it until one gets the hang of it. Moped style =
I guess.
If you are running an IBM compatible, you can access the
extended characters (the ones not directly on the keyboard)
by holding down the Alt key then typing the character's
numeric code on the number pad. For example Alt 156 =
produces =A3, Alt 172 makes =BC and Alt 167 forms =BA...so =
you could write something like, "I used a =BC tank of gas,
before the noon temperatures reached 60=BA F. We bought
=A31 50p of petrol in Glasgow the previous afternoon."
The old DOS operating manuals used to provide complete
lists of the available characters. It's sort fun using =
a word processor to poke them out seeing what you
get. Just remember, hold the alt key down before =
and while entering the numbers. Your character will =
appear after releasing the alt key. =
=2E..and experiment cautiously on something not too =
important, not while finishing up your Master's thesis. =
Some of the codes do things like backspace, delete and =
other bits of text eating magic. It can't hurt the =
computer or your moped.
~j=F4h=D1~
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:30:08 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Garelli Moped
---- reply to Dennis Elzey
Can you tell me anything about the ignition system on a 77
Garelli Super Sport XL with a EUREKA 1.5 hp engine. If so does it have
a points-condenser and if it does where is it located.
This moped has no spark when checked with spark plug tester. Any ideas
of what could be wrong?
Thanks for your time!
Sincerely,
Dennis Elzey
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:39:37 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Archive of messages related to Moped Rally
John Agner made this suggestion:
> Since several moped group members have expressed an interest in a moped
> ride/rally, is it possible to group all those messages at one web page,
> so that people can refer back to them and see what the interest is over
> time? Thanks. John
So, there's now special page that archives messages related to the plans
for Moped Rally: http://www.inlink.com/~daugava/mrally.htm
Andrew
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:41:21 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Elite
------ reply to Golfer128@aol.com ------
I have a honda Elite made in 1994 it only goes 26 M.P.H. why and is there
something I can do to make go 30-35 M.P.H. E- Mail me at Golfer128@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 02:01:01 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Crescent
------- reply to James Gage
Do you have any pictures or info of a Swedish moped called Crescent
from 1955??
Thank you for your help, Jim Gage, Västerås, Sweden
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 02:02:21 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Top end 2-4 mph with high tech fuel (advertisement)
------ reply to Swedemkt@ix.netcom.com -------
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an additional 2-4 mph
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By the 3rd tank (if not sooner) you will see your range and speed increase
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 11:31:22 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Moped tire
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:56:33 -0500
> To: "Mailing List"
> Subject: Fw: Moped tire
> > --- reply to ironcast
> I have a new 19" by 2.25" tire for a moped that I have no use for. I
> would sell it for $20 plus shipping but I do not know where to advertise
> it for sale. I do not know which brands or models it fits. Thanks,
> Terry.
That fits a Raleigh and a Torrot.
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 11:33:55 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Garelli Moped
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:30:08 -0500
> To: "Mailing List"
> Subject: Fw: Garelli Moped
> > ---- reply to Dennis Elzey
> Can you tell me anything about the ignition system on a 77
> Garelli Super Sport XL with a EUREKA 1.5 hp engine. If so does it have
> a points-condenser and if it does where is it located.
> This moped has no spark when checked with spark plug tester. Any ideas
> of what could be wrong?
> Thanks for your time!
> > Sincerely,
> > Dennis Elzey
> Right side under the magneto cover. Cause of no spark could be faulty
grounding of the magneto, bad lead, loose connections, not opening
points, bad condenser and a bad plug cap, or all of the above.
Paul
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 11:34:57 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Crescent
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 02:01:01 -0500
> To: "Mailing List"
> Subject: Fw: Crescent
> > ------- reply to James Gage
> Do you have any pictures or info of a Swedish moped called Crescent
> from 1955??
> > Thank you for your help, Jim Gage, Västerås, Sweden
If you do, send us one too (Moped Magazine through paltron@interlog.com)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 19:31:34 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: What Rules
At 23:15 2-09-97 +0200, you wrote:
=20
>> In a message dated 97-08-29 20:11:28 EDT, you write:
>> >How did you put the "u" with the two dots above up?
>>=20
>> While I am in America, I have talked with several Europeans about this. =
Most
>> have some type of program to cut and paste such letters.
> >There is a cheaper, but slower do-it-yourself way of=20
>doing it until one gets the hang of it. Moped style=20
>I guess.
> >If you are running an IBM compatible, you can access the
>extended characters (the ones not directly on the keyboard)
>by holding down the Alt key then typing the character's
>numeric code on the number pad. For example Alt 156 =20
>produces =A3, Alt 172 makes =BC and Alt 167 forms =BA...so=20
>you could write something like, "I used a =BC tank of gas,
>before the noon temperatures reached 60=BA F. We bought
>=A31 50p of petrol in Glasgow the previous afternoon."
> >The old DOS operating manuals used to provide complete
>lists of the available characters. It's sort fun using=20
>a word processor to poke them out seeing what you
>get. Just remember, hold the alt key down before=20
>and while entering the numbers. Your character will=20
>appear after releasing the alt key.=20
> >...and experiment cautiously on something not too=20
>important, not while finishing up your Master's thesis.=20
>Some of the codes do things like backspace, delete and=20
>other bits of text eating magic. It can't hurt the=20
>computer or your moped.
It's not all that complicated, I use Windows 3.1 in which you can choose
from a number of keyboards. I chose the US standard keyboard.. making dots
on U's is fairly simple; press shift+" and then U, you get =DC, that easy...
Doing this seems to irritate Unix and Apple users however, because the
conversion to those platforms doesn't work properly.
And now back to mopeds..
Cheers,
Hans Hartman
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 15:55:53 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: zuendapp debacle
In a message dated 97-09-03 01:27:41 EDT, you write:
>my zuendapp only had 1.5 hp legally, so it really shouldn't have done
>all that it did but thanx to decent engineering...
>i must get me another mofa to play with...
Yes, I will admit that most of the best things were built before I was born
(1982). Maybe again someday. . .
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:01:38 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Archive of messages related to Moped Rally
In a message dated 97-09-03 02:49:25 EDT, you write:
>So, there's now special page that archives messages related to the plans
>for Moped Rally: http://www.inlink.com/~daugava/mrally.htm
> >Andrew
If one gets organized, please E-mail me, because I won't ever see it on the
web page. AOL's web browser never works right on my computer.
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:27:30 -0400
To: <@suffolk.lib.ny.us> From: fhernand@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Subject: NO CUTOFF SWITCH
I bought an old Moped. I have no clue what it is. It has a deer on it. The
thing is really old. It is from 1978. It dosen't have a cutoff switch on
it. I shut the engine off by pulling the rubber cap off the spark plug. Is
there any way that I could put a cutoff on it myself? Thanks.
Eric Hernandez
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 21:48:07 +0200
To: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net
From: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Speed
Perhaps, some one will clue me in as to why going faster
on a moped is a goal?
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 01:31:11 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ASprayberr@aol.com
Subject: HELP!!!
I know this is the moped mailing list but I have a 50 cc scooter and want to
take the restrictors off. it is a chinese hongying QuinQo. Any
suggestions???
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:55:40 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: WHAT RULES
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: dinsdag 2 september 1997 22:09
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 18:11:13 -0400 (EDT)
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: AaronM428@aol.com
| Subject: Re: WHAT RULES
|
|
| In a message dated 97-08-29 20:11:28 EDT, you write:
| >How did you put the "u" with the two dots above up?
|
| While I am in America, I have talked with several Europeans about this.
Most
| have some type of program to cut and paste such letters.
|
| ÆÉÑÔÕÖ×ØÙÚÜÝÞßààáâãäåæçèéêëìíîðñòóõö÷øùúûüýþÿ
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from the special characters, cut&paste (included in (your) win 95
configuration)
try here : C:\WINDOWS\CHARMAP.EXE
and a few more.
Peter.
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:19:03 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: Garelli Moped
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: woensdag 3 september 1997 8:39
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:30:08 -0500
| To: "Mailing List"
| Subject: Fw: Garelli Moped
|
|
| ---- reply to Dennis Elzey
| Can you tell me anything about the ignition system on a 77
| Garelli Super Sport XL with a EUREKA 1.5 hp engine. If so does it have
| a points-condenser and if it does where is it located.
| This moped has no spark when checked with spark plug tester. Any ideas
| of what could be wrong?
| Thanks for your time!
|
| Sincerely,
|
| Dennis Elzey
|
|
|
Hi Dennis,
The condenser is always located in the neighbourhood from the points,
follow the wire(s) and you'll find it, mostly cylindrical formed thing.
no spark, check voltage at coil, if coil and transformer in one , change
with an equal type for a test , lend it from a friend whose moped has no
problems..
of spark plug gone ..?
good luck ,
Peter.
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:19:03 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: Garelli Moped
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: woensdag 3 september 1997 8:39
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:30:08 -0500
| To: "Mailing List"
| Subject: Fw: Garelli Moped
|
|
| ---- reply to Dennis Elzey
| Can you tell me anything about the ignition system on a 77
| Garelli Super Sport XL with a EUREKA 1.5 hp engine. If so does it have
| a points-condenser and if it does where is it located.
| This moped has no spark when checked with spark plug tester. Any ideas
| of what could be wrong?
| Thanks for your time!
|
| Sincerely,
|
| Dennis Elzey
|
|
|
Hi Dennis,
The condenser is always located in the neighbourhood from the points,
follow the wire(s) and you'll find it, mostly cylindrical formed thing.
no spark, check voltage at coil, if coil and transformer in one , change
with an equal type for a test , lend it from a friend whose moped has no
problems..
of spark plug gone ..?
good luck ,
Peter.
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:15:42 -0700 (PDT)
To: Andrei Zaitsev
Subject: Re: Speed
> From: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net
> Subject: Speed
> > > Perhaps, some one will clue me in as to why going faster
> on a moped is a goal?
Just a guess but people with motorized things always want to go faster.
1.It must be human nature.
2.It makes a fun, accessable hobby (check out the moped mayhem web page
for moped endurance racing..100 mph mopeds...yee haw!).
3. Personally, I feel vulnerable in traffic. Even sparsely traveled
residential streets have cars zipping by me. A top speed of 45 mph or so
would greatly expand my scooter's usability.
4. My single speed scooter is so slow accelerating away from an
intersection that I feel vulnerable again, knowing all of the frustrated
car drivers are waiting for me to get through the intersection.
-Dave
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 02:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
To: Andrei Zaitsev
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
> From: ASprayberr@aol.com
> Subject: HELP!!!
> > > I know this is the moped mailing list but I have a 50 cc scooter and want to
> take the restrictors off. it is a chinese hongying QuinQo. Any
> suggestions???
I have a Kasea 50 made by Qinqi - I think it's the same thing that you
have. Is yours the electric start model or the kick start only model?
I think you replied to my question for speed help on the alt.scooter
newsgroup.
I don't know of any restrictor and the only thing that I've done to try
and get some better acceleration out of it is to try stronger clutch
springs. It didn't make any noticeable difference.
My air cleaner hose came loose, making the bike run very badly. When I put
the choke on, it ran better. This implies that the air box is a
significant restriction. A low restriction air filter and a carb rejet may
make a noticeable difference.
Have you heard of any alternate gear ratios for the scoot? I'd give up a
little on the top end for some better acceleration.
Keep in touch if you hear anything or figure anything out.
-Dave
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 09:32:12 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: mrider@illuminet.net
Subject: Re: Speed
JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> Perhaps, some one will clue me in as to why going faster
> on a moped is a goal?
It depends on what you use it for. I ride motorcycles, I have a moped
because they're cheap and have different handling characteristics from a
full sized motorcycle. I like riding both. When I take the moped to
work, the roads have speed limits varying between 25 and 55 mph. One of
them is very narrow with a 45 mph limit. Going 30 mph is dangerous on
this road. When I go 45 mph, the cars have a chance to see me and get
slowed down before they go by.
In June, my son entered the Minnesota 1000
(http://www.visi.com/~awolkoff/97mn1k_rprt.html) and rode his moped.
There were about 100 motorcycles entereed in 5 different classes, most
of the winners rode more than 1000 miles that day. He rode 275 miles
and finished ahead of the 8 people who failed to finish and 6 of the
riders who did finish. I won the 500cc and under class on my Ninja 250
but rode more than 1200 miles to do it. Next year I hope to defend my
title with a 70cc Tomos moped. By riding smart, not far, I might be
able to do it. However, being able to ride far helps, so I will try to
get it to go faster.
Besides, it doesn't matter what it is, I like being able to go faster.
Leon.
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:21:01 -0400
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: Re: Speed
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> Subject: Speed
> > Perhaps, some one will clue me in as to why going faster
> on a moped is a goal?
i personally like my moped to respond when i accelerate. rule of thumb:
bugs in the face must be felt when they hit and not be able to crawl
away. being able to keep up with the traffic in town is essential, i
believe. i also want it to carry me up the surrounding blue ridge mts. i
don't like it to choke and sputter like a coffee machine when i hit top
speed; if i go downhill the engine shouldn't brake. this requires some
tinkering, most often the bike will go faster as a result.
there are a few older guys here who ride mopeds (cuz they lost their
license to alcohol); i can keep up with them on my bicycle. they should
consider buying one too then, for the exercise.
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 97 8:52:53 PDT
To:
Subject: "Old" is in the eye of the beholder!
Eric H wrote:
I bought an old Moped. <
thing is really old. It is from 1978. <
Geez... thanks a lot for making me feel ANCIENT!!!!!!! I think I'll
go kill myself now! ;))
Catrinus.Wallet@tek.com (aka Geezer from now on...)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:09:05 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: Speed
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: donderdag 4 september 1997 7:31
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 21:48:07 +0200
| To: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net
| From: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net
| Subject: Speed
|
|
| Perhaps, some one will clue me in as to why going faster
| on a moped is a goal?
|
|
You didn't get a kick driving down hill ?
If not, you 'll never understand why... :-)
Peter.
Speed = time = money , and as we all know, you'll never have enough of
that.
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:30:19 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: NO CUTOFF SWITCH
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: donderdag 4 september 1997 3:27
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:27:30 -0400
| To: <@suffolk.lib.ny.us> | From: fhernand@suffolk.lib.ny.us
| Subject: NO CUTOFF SWITCH
|
|
|
|
| I bought an old Moped. I have no clue what it is. It has a deer on it.
The
| thing is really old. It is from 1978. It dosen't have a cutoff switch on
| it. I shut the engine off by pulling the rubber cap off the spark plug.
Is
| there any way that I could put a cutoff on it myself? Thanks.
|
|
| Eric Hernandez
|
|
if not partly there (than you can repair it) than make a wire from the
(isolated side) braker points by a swith to the frame (if available make
(use an existing) switch on the handle bar for it.
(braker point)
---o \o-----|_____________________o \o---frame (handlebar)
| |
frame coil ^new wire
Peter.
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 19:55:27 -0400
To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
From: libertybell7@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: NO CUTOFF SWITCH
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Moped Mailing List wrote:
> *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:27:30 -0400
> To: <@suffolk.lib.ny.us> > From: fhernand@suffolk.lib.ny.us
> Subject: NO CUTOFF SWITCH
> > I bought an old Moped. I have no clue what it is. It has a deer on it. The
> thing is really old. It is from 1978. It dosen't have a cutoff switch on
> it. I shut the engine off by pulling the rubber cap off the spark plug. Is
> there any way that I could put a cutoff on it myself? Thanks.
> > Eric Hernandez
Hi Eric,
You will need to install a N.C. (normally closed, momentary)
push-button switch in line with the low voltage or primary side of the
ignition coil. This will effectively open the primary of the ignition coil by
pushing the switch when you want to halt the engine. This is a very easy
installation and will keep you from getting some really nasty shocks. I
remember grabbing a bare spark plug connector from a running lawn mower with a
pair of bare channel locks when I was 12 years old or so. It hurt... :-).
Your switch should be spring loaded and not a toggle type. Please excuse this
if you are familiar with it already. Good luck and please let us know how
your system turns out.. Best wishes.. Mike Burch
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:51:11 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: New types of oil
-------- reply to Shawn Upton
Here is a question about oils. I just bought my '77 Demm Smiley moped
(apparently of Italian manufacture) and was wrenching on it today. I
pulled off the side cover that houses the clutch (to find a
rattle--turned out to be a worn clutch, but that is another problem that
may or may not get fixed anytime soon), cleaned out the old oil, and
then put in some new stuff. It wasn't synthetic, just some kind of
cheap, "good sounding" stuff. I think it was 10W-30. My question is:
will putting oil that has detergents and who knows what into the gearbox
harm the operation of my clutch? (It sits in the oil.) I took it out
for a ride and it seemed to slip a couple of times going up some hills.
the clutch seemed to have plenty of material on it (except for the part
used to start the thing).
Also, in the owners manual (where I should have checked first on the
previous oil question) it says to use straight 30 weight oil for the
fuel-oil mix. I run regular two-cycle mix, but I was wondering about
the advantages of the two-cycle oil.
One last question: I thought I had water in the gas, so I put some dry
gas into it, and now I have this clear, jelly-looking substance showing
up in the lowest part of my clear plastic fuel line. Is this stuff the
dry gas attraching the water, and what will it do to my machine?
Thanks.
Shawn Upton
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 23:15:23 +0200
To: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net
From: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Speed
Thanks for all the well-articulated responses regarding
"speed". Just out of curiousity, is there anyone who
enjoys mopeding because it is relatively slow?
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:07:59 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ASprayberr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Speed
I did when I first got my scooter, but now I want
MORE POWER ;-)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:46:35 -0700 (PDT)
To: Andrei Zaitsev
Subject: Re: Fw: New types of oil
> Here is a question about oils. I just bought my '77 Demm Smiley moped
> (apparently of Italian manufacture) and was wrenching on it today. I
> pulled off the side cover that houses the clutch (to find a
> rattle--turned out to be a worn clutch, but that is another problem that
> may or may not get fixed anytime soon), cleaned out the old oil, and
> then put in some new stuff. It wasn't synthetic, just some kind of
> cheap, "good sounding" stuff. I think it was 10W-30. My question is:
> will putting oil that has detergents and who knows what into the gearbox
> harm the operation of my clutch? (It sits in the oil.) I took it out
> for a ride and it seemed to slip a couple of times going up some hills.
> the clutch seemed to have plenty of material on it (except for the part
> used to start the thing).
Yes, oil additives can cause wet clutches to slip. I'd change to the right
oil ASAP and hope it's not too late. Otherwise, new clutch pads/shoes will
be needed to fix it.
-Dave
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 10:06:06 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: NO CUTOFF SWITCH
At 21:27 3-09-97 -0400, Eric Hernandez wrote:
>*************************************************
>Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:27:30 -0400
>To: <@suffolk.lib.ny.us> >From: fhernand@suffolk.lib.ny.us
>Subject: NO CUTOFF SWITCH
>I bought an old Moped. I have no clue what it is. It has a deer on it. The
>thing is really old. It is from 1978. It dosen't have a cutoff switch on
>it. I shut the engine off by pulling the rubber cap off the spark plug. Is
>there any way that I could put a cutoff on it myself? Thanks.
Well, Eric.. You'll have to be a bit more specific with your description.
It won't be a John Deere, will it? Is it green with a yellow striping?
There's always some sort of kill-switch...
BTW; 1978 is a new moped for me...
Cheers,
Hans Hartman
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 09:49:37 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Speed
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 23:15:23 +0200
> To: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net
> From: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net
> Subject: Re: Speed
> > Thanks for all the well-articulated responses regarding
> "speed". Just out of curiousity, is there anyone who
> enjoys mopeding because it is relatively slow?
Only those who have a death wish. Cars with their imbecile and agressive
drivers will try everything to push and crush you. You need to maintain
(and reach within a reasonable short time) a cruising speed of 40-50 kmh
(25-30 mph) so that you can keep up with city traffic.
Paul
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 10:03:40 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: supton@eece.maine.edu
Subject: Re: Speed
I like being able to enjoy the surroundings, to take it easy and relax.
However, when there is other traffic, it is nice to be able to keep up
so you don't become a statistic. More top end would be nice for my
moped (and more accleration!), but what I ought to do if I want more
speed and acceleration is just get a motorcycle. 'Till then, slow I go!
Shawn Upton
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:11:51 -0400
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: Re: NO CUTOFF SWITCH
pulling the rubber cap off the spark plug. Is there any way that I could
put a cutoff on it myself?
i'd rather stall the motor accelerating with the brake pulled than play
with that wire. beings your bike is sooo ancient it should have a little
spring awitch under the headlight?
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:20:27 -0400
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: Re: slow speed
> Thanks for all the well-articulated responses regarding
> "speed". Just out of curiousity, is there anyone who
> enjoys mopeding because it is relatively slow?
that is the fun part about the moped: its slower than the other vehicles
in the garage but better than pedaling. sometimes you feel lazy and
don't want to bike to the library after work; taking the car is too much
of a hassle just to retrun a book. with the moped you can take a detour
thru traffic, go to a store thats not on your route, bring home the milk
you forgot to buy earlier. it is relaxing.
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:22:09 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fw: New types of oil
In a message dated 97-09-05 00:04:00 EDT, you write:
>One last question: I thought I had water in the gas, so I put some dry
> gas into it,
BAD move. "Dry Gas" (or whatever you used to try and clear out the water)
does not mix well with oil. I was warned against putting it into my own 'ped
when it became sluggish (finally traced to a bad spark plug). Presumably it
prevents the gasoline and oil from mixing, and can partly separate any
already mixed. I was told this by two very reputable mechanics who have
owrked on our cars for >8 years without one ever having to go back because
the problem was not fixed.
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:31:31 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Speed
In a message dated 97-09-05 01:26:52 EDT, you write:
>Just out of curiousity, is there anyone who
>enjoys mopeding because it is relatively slow?
Just because a moped is capable of 40+mph, doesn't mean that it never goes
slower. A 40+mph 'ped is perfectly capable of going 15-20mph when I want it
to. However, a moped that maxes out at 25mph is incapable of going 40+mph
when I want it to. Quite often I find mysely dawdling down a country
back-road so I can look at the scenery.
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:32:33 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: NO CUTOFF SWITCH
In a message dated 97-09-05 02:36:14 EDT, you write:
>Your switch should be spring loaded and not a toggle type.
Why? My Tomos came from the factory with a "toggle type" "cutoff" switch (I
call it the "Spark on/off Switch"). I like the toggle because if I need to
park my bike for a while, I know that some 7 or 8 year old won't accidentally
start it by peddaling backwards, and by starting it, drain my fuel line (tank
--->carb). It is not fun to start after the line has been drained.
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 21:26:49 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: New types of oil
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: vrijdag 5 september 1997 3:51
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:51:11 -0500
| To: "Mailing List"
| Subject: Fw: New types of oil
|
|
| -------- reply to Shawn Upton
| Here is a question about oils. I just bought my '77 Demm Smiley moped
| (apparently of Italian manufacture) and was wrenching on it today. I
| pulled off the side cover that houses the clutch (to find a
| rattle--turned out to be a worn clutch, but that is another problem that
| may or may not get fixed anytime soon), cleaned out the old oil, and
| then put in some new stuff. It wasn't synthetic, just some kind of
| cheap, "good sounding" stuff. I think it was 10W-30. My question is:
| will putting oil that has detergents and who knows what into the gearbox
| harm the operation of my clutch? (It sits in the oil.) I took it out
| for a ride and it seemed to slip a couple of times going up some hills.
| the clutch seemed to have plenty of material on it (except for the part
| used to start the thing).
| Also, in the owners manual (where I should have checked first on the
| previous oil question) it says to use straight 30 weight oil for the
| fuel-oil mix. I run regular two-cycle mix, but I was wondering about
| the advantages of the two-cycle oil.
| One last question: I thought I had water in the gas, so I put some dry
| gas into it, and now I have this clear, jelly-looking substance showing
| up in the lowest part of my clear plastic fuel line. Is this stuff the
| dry gas attraching the water, and what will it do to my machine?
| Thanks.
|
| Shawn Upton
|
|
10w30 is a bit thin, waterish, so it makes the clutch olso a bit slippery
some times , use 20w50 maybe ?
Best gues ? the jelly is water or water/oli sluch. maybe you'll have to
drain the fuel system? even remove the tank, or hold you ped upside down to
empty the tank completely?
good luck, Peter.
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 21:54:29 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Barman3565@aol.com
Subject: Re: Speed
I enjoy mopeds because they are slow. If I wanted speed I would have bought
a motorcycle. Anyway, I feel much safer on a moped knowing I can travel on
the side of the road instead of in the middle of it with all that traffic.
By the way, I just bought a brand new 1997 Tomos Targa LX from a dealer out
of state. I should be receiving it very soon. The dealers here in New
Jersey are a rip off!
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 21:58:32 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Barman3565@aol.com
Subject: Helmet Law
Can anyone tell me if I have to where a helmet in the State of PA while
riding a moped? How about New York or Conneticut?
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 01:31:28 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ASprayberr@aol.com
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Yea, hi! I found out that the engine in our scooters is the same, mine is
electric and kick, I assume yours is too.
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 09:39:54 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Re: Helmet Law
> Can anyone tell me if I have to where a helmet in the State of PA while
> riding a moped? How about New York or Conneticut?
Helmet is not required in Pennsylvania (see
http://www.inlink.com/~daugava/mstates.htm).
John Nimno (nimlo@neca.com) might be able to help you with Connecticut
regulations.
Andrew
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 16:40:50 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: NO CUTOFF SWITCH
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:11:51 -0400
> To: chrislo@cfw.com
> From: chrislo@cfw.com
> Subject: Re: NO CUTOFF SWITCH
> > pulling the rubber cap off the spark plug. Is there any way that I could
> put a cutoff on it myself?
> > i'd rather stall the motor accelerating with the brake pulled than play
> with that wire. beings your bike is sooo ancient it should have a little
> spring awitch under the headlight?
There should be a secondary, usually black lead coming out of the
magneto, outside the lighting lead and the main ignition lead. That is
the one you can hook a grounding (pushbutton) switch onto. If there
isn't one, clip tha side of the wire going to the sparkplaug and run a
lead from there up to the switch that should be located on the right
handlebar. If the switch is open (normal position) the engine runs. When
you press it, it will ground the sparking current and that kills the
engine.
It's easy!
Paul
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 16:44:52 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Speed
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 21:54:29 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Barman3565@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Speed
Anyway, I feel much safer on a moped knowing I can travel on
> the side of the road instead of in the middle of it with all that traffic.
You would get ticketed in Ontario, Canada for riding on the side on a
moped. All motorised vehicles are entitled to a lane and in my view
you're way safer that way than being squished to the curb. Just read up
on bicyclist stats; almost all of them are getting hurt at the curb.
Paul
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 01:06:10 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: rmh@snip.net
Subject: Power Question!!!
Hello,
My name is Mike,
A few more days and I'll being getting my 70cc package I ordered! I
can't wait! And also after I work the new engine in I'm planning on
opening up the exhaust port. This should be a big change for me since my
engine had over 15,000 miles on it and was over 30% down on compression.
My moped is a 1995 Tomos Targa LX. The engine is 49cc \ 1.95 horse
power.
My question is, after the 70cc kit plus the exhaust work whats the power
then?? How many horse power, etc??? I'm hopeing that doing this work and
paying for it's worth it! Does anyone know thats done this already??
Thanks!
Mike Hillegas
(rmh@snip.net)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:03:37 +0200
To:
Subject: moped ciao
how fast can a ciao moped run.and how can you speed up the moped.
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:12:35 -0600
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: jcoplanj@brookings.net
Subject: 77 puch
hi.
my 77 puch maxi is still flooding all the time. There is krap
getting on the spark plug. when i put in a new plug, it will
start. I took the carb apart and didn't see anything. i cleaned
it. people have been mentioning the jets to me. Could someone
please tell me what the tension should be on the jets. are they
supposed to be in tight or what. after i put the carb back
in today with the jets tight, it ran a while and now a new plug
won't even start it. what the hell is going on.
don't tell me to start digging into clutches or manifolds or shit
like that. i know it's something in the carb or spark plug or
whatever is in between them. exhaust has been cleaned.
damnit
jeff coplan
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:13:29 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: duckdogs@bright.net
Subject: Puch wiring diagram needed.
Fellow mopeders,
I am in dire need of a wiring diagram for a 1980 Puch magnum. I know
somebody out there has one! A clear copy from an owners manual or out of a
shop manual would do just fine.
By the way, there is a motercycle "junkyard" here in Chillicothe and the
proprietor has 15 to 20 mopeds there. Most are in pretty sad shape having
been picked over (I was unable to find a servicable petcock for instance).
There are about 5 Puchs, 2 or 3 Tomos, and a variety of others. If anybody
close needs anything, E-mail me and I'll go look.
Greg Kauffman
1968 Z28
1970 Norton Commando "S"
1974 2002Tii
1979 Puch Maxi
1980 Puch Magnum
1988 Suburban the "RIG"
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:35:03 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ASprayberr@aol.com
Subject: Want to race mopeds in USA
I want to get a tomos moped and race it. I know there are groups in the UK
that do this but needless to say traveling is a bit out of my budget. Are
there any groups to contact here in the USA, perfeably in the southeast. I
want to get in as cheaply as possible. Does anyone know about all this?
Thanks in advance.
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 02:11:26 -0500
To: landlt@mail.sisna.com
From: landlt@mail.sisna.com
Subject: Peugeot SPL3, 1980
My husband and I bought identical mopeds in 1981 - two Peugeot SPL3's,
1980. We have maintained and stored them and they are in excellent
shape with one exception. One of the chains broke and we've not been
able to find a replacement anywhere! Twice it was "repaired" but still
didn't fit when we got it home and tried it. Can you please help us? I
know you'll need more information but I'm not sure what you need and my
husband is asleep. We were saving our mopeds for our retirement years
and they're just around the corner. I'd love to surprise my husband
with the appropriate chain as a retirement gift. Thank you so much,
Leigh & Larry Trezise; 1633 Thirty Third St.; Zion, IL 60099
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:28:33 -0500 (CDT)
To: Andrei Zaitsev
Subject: Moped List: messages from Sep 9-10
Andrew: Sorry, had problem with list software, so
I am sending messages from past 2 days in digest mode.
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 20:07:55 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: 77 puch
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:12:35 -0600
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: jcoplanj@brookings.net
> Subject: 77 puch
> > hi.
> > my 77 puch maxi is still flooding all the time. There is krap
> getting on the spark plug. when i put in a new plug, it will
> start. I took the carb apart and didn't see anything. i cleaned
> it. people have been mentioning the jets to me. Could someone
> please tell me what the tension should be on the jets. are they
> supposed to be in tight or what. after i put the carb back
> in today with the jets tight, it ran a while and now a new plug
> won't even start it. what the hell is going on.
> don't tell me to start digging into clutches or manifolds or shit
> like that. i know it's something in the carb or spark plug or
> whatever is in between them. exhaust has been cleaned.
> > damnit
> > jeff coplan
It's your tank and/or your petcock (fuel valve) with its filter that
craps. Trust me. You have to take it all out, flush the tank 2-3 times
and ideally get a new petcock. Even the smallest gunk can foul up the
carb. Which oil are you using for the mixture?
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 03:04:45 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: Power Question!!!
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: dinsdag 9 september 1997 19:29
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 01:06:10 -0400
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: rmh@snip.net
| Subject: Power Question!!!
|
|
| Hello,
|
| My name is Mike,
|
| A few more days and I'll being getting my 70cc package I ordered! I
| can't wait! And also after I work the new engine in I'm planning on
| opening up the exhaust port. This should be a big change for me since my
| engine had over 15,000 miles on it and was over 30% down on compression.
| My moped is a 1995 Tomos Targa LX. The engine is 49cc \ 1.95 horse
| power.
| My question is, after the 70cc kit plus the exhaust work whats the power
| then?? How many horse power, etc??? I'm hopeing that doing this work and
| paying for it's worth it! Does anyone know thats done this already??
| Thanks!
| Mike Hillegas
| (rmh@snip.net)
|
|
At least 4 but depending of your tuning skill upto 6 or more.
the carb makes a lot of difference.
Peter.
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 03:08:18 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: moped ciao
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: dinsdag 9 september 1997 19:29
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:03:37 +0200
| To:
| Subject: moped ciao
|
|
| how fast can a ciao moped run.and how can you speed up the moped.
|
|
because a ciao breats through the crankrom, you can go to the limit but,
the frame won't last that long , as does the clutch and snare, pitty, but
i've seen some drive over 100 km / h (62 mph) and thats fast on a moped
with barely brakes and shock absorbers. (btw not recommended to do !)
Peter.
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 03:10:34 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: 77 puch
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: dinsdag 9 september 1997 19:29
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:12:35 -0600
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: jcoplanj@brookings.net
| Subject: 77 puch
|
|
| hi.
|
| my 77 puch maxi is still flooding all the time. There is krap
| getting on the spark plug. when i put in a new plug, it will
| start. I took the carb apart and didn't see anything. i cleaned
| it. people have been mentioning the jets to me. Could someone
| please tell me what the tension should be on the jets. are they
| supposed to be in tight or what. after i put the carb back
| in today with the jets tight, it ran a while and now a new plug
| won't even start it. what the hell is going on.
| don't tell me to start digging into clutches or manifolds or shit
| like that. i know it's something in the carb or spark plug or
| whatever is in between them. exhaust has been cleaned.
|
| damnit
|
| jeff coplan
|
| Didn't you crash it? timing could be shifted...
Peter.
|
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 23:12:17 -0400
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: Re: 77 puch
> > my 77 puch maxi is still flooding all the time. what the hell is going on.
> damnit
> > jeff coplan
ts, ts. temper, temper! :D
so you've replaced the fuel with some fresh mix, the float is "dry" and
works/jiggles, the jet fits the needle, the needle isn't out too far,
there is no idle mix screw like a weedeater to adjust, the carb is
getting air, there are no hairline cracks in the carb from throwing it
around in disgust, all the little gaskets are in place and tight. i
agree: damned if i know whats wrong.
if i had a budget i'd look for another carb to test the bugger with
that.
this is the moped that crashed and won't work anymore (again)? in that
case, if i had a hammer...
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:21:15 -0700
To:
Subject: Re: moped ciao
>*************************************************
>Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:03:37 +0200
>To:
>Subject: moped ciao
> > >how fast can a ciao moped run.and how can you speed up the moped.
My friend's goes 35-40..Its the best moped I've ever ridden...Very quiet
and good acceleration...I'd like to get me one..;-)
DS
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:49:43 +0200
To: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net
From: JCSnyder.studio@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Bicycle Assist Units are not Mopeds
Recently, several emails and other statements made on the web
have made it obvious there is confusion regarding reasonable
expectations many of us have regarding bicycle assist units.
A moped is a bicycle-sized motorcycle with pedals,
however it is designed to be operated using a motor.
Pedaling a moped is not it's optimal operating mode.
A bicycle assist unit is frequently a small motor bolted
on to an existing bicycle to provide occassional help.
Running any after market assist motor continually is not
it's optimal operating mode.
(There are a few augmented assist bicycles currently on the
market which are designed to be operated full time. These
assists multiply one's pedaling effort and are generally
not sold as kits.)
Many of the major manufacturers are as much at fault as anyone
for not clearly stating;
BOLTING AN AUXILARY MOTOR ONTO A BICYCLE WILL NOT CREATE
AN INSTANT MOPED. IT'S STILL THE SAME BICYCLE WITH MOST
OF ITS ORIGINAL PERFORMANCE ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES
INTACT.
Kits, such as the Dimension Edge, ZAP, Chronos Hammer, and
the MX5 are of good quality and will last many, many years if
the bicycle rider realizes he/she is still operating a primarily
human muscle-powered vehicle.
If a person wishes to travel continually at speeds in excess
of 20MPH and/or wishes to avoid pedaling as much as possible
a MOPED or scooter will properly fullful such expectations.
If a person wishes to ride a bicycle, but finds the occassional
hill to be a problem an assist unit operated very sparingly
will satisfy their needs. Hint; idling at stop signs
or operating on the flat or downhill are clear signs the
assistant is being ABUSED. If a person unwittingly expects
an assist to perform like a moped they will become extremely
frustrated and needlessly unhappy.
If you eat soup with a fork don't be surprised if your
shirt gets dirty. If you use an assist kit like a moped don't be
shocked when it breaks prematurely. If one seeks high speed
(20 - 70 MPH) from a bicycle there are other, more effective
means to achieve it.
So why would anyone in their right mind opt for an assist
unit? There are many proper reasons; silence 90% of the time,
gasoline milage which can seem mythical (1,300 MPG and above
has been reported), an ability to ride a bicycle during high
winds and over steep hills, an extension of one's personal
range (including; distance, age, ability and terrain), and
as a training aid to help an unfit bicyclist become more
fit.
john
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:31:30 GMT
To:
Subject: Re: Puch wiring diagram needed.
Just where is this yard? I come through there quite often and would
like to find a Columbia Moped for the speedometer cable and maybe a rear
fender. What does he sell junk mopeds for? Thanks in advance. Please
give directions from US23.
On Tue, 9 Sep 97 10:29:33 PDT, you wrote:
>*************************************************
>Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:13:29 -0400 (EDT)
>To: daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: duckdogs@bright.net
>Subject: Puch wiring diagram needed.
> > >Fellow mopeders,
> > I am in dire need of a wiring diagram for a 1980 Puch magnum. I know
>somebody out there has one! A clear copy from an owners manual or out of a
>shop manual would do just fine.
> > By the way, there is a motercycle "junkyard" here in Chillicothe and the
>proprietor has 15 to 20 mopeds there. Most are in pretty sad shape having
>been picked over (I was unable to find a servicable petcock for instance).
>There are about 5 Puchs, 2 or 3 Tomos, and a variety of others. If anybody
>close needs anything, E-mail me and I'll go look.
> > > > > > > > > Greg Kauffman
> > 1968 Z28
> 1970 Norton Commando "S"
> 1974 2002Tii
> 1979 Puch Maxi
> 1980 Puch Magnum
> 1988 Suburban the "RIG"
> > >
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:38:48 -0700 (PDT)
To: Andrei Zaitsev
Subject: Re: Want to race mopeds in USA
On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Moped Mailing List wrote:
> *************************************************
> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:35:03 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: ASprayberr@aol.com
> Subject: Want to race mopeds in USA
> > > I want to get a tomos moped and race it. I know there are groups in the UK
> that do this but needless to say traveling is a bit out of my budget. Are
> there any groups to contact here in the USA, perfeably in the southeast. I
> want to get in as cheaply as possible. Does anyone know about all this?
> Thanks in advance.
I'd like to race too. Alas, I live in the NW USA (Washington).
Any one in the Pacific Northwest interested could contact me at
dgwood@pacifier.com. If there's enough interest, we could come up with
something. Rules would probably be loose - as far as classes of peds and
scooters, safety rules are different- until we could get enough people
to really get organized. My thought was to try and latch on to a YSR 50
racing group or maybe a karting club to see if we could race at one of
theri venues. We bring the scoots and they (for a fee, no doubt) could
schedule us for a race and practice sessions. That way they'd take care of
details like corner workers, ambulances etc. If we grew, we'd be able
to start our own club. Anyone interested should check out the Moped Mayhem
website.
-Dave
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:45:05 -0700 (PDT)
To: Andrei Zaitsev
Subject: mail order moped.
I just recieved my Northern Hydraulics catalog in the mail.
In it they have a moped for sale. It's a traditional pedal type 'ped with
an open, bicycle derived frame, not a plastic bodied scooter.
The brand and model is Kinetic TFR. It claims to meet USA Federal
motor vehicle safety standards.
The price is $729 plus about $80 shipping. That's substantially less than
a new Tomos or Puch- even with the shipping.
Anyone ever hear of this brand?
-Dave
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:20:44 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: mrider@illuminet.net
Subject: Re: Power Question!!!
Mike Hillegas wrote:
> Subject: Power Question!!!
> > A few more days and I'll being getting my 70cc package I ordered!
> I
> can't wait! And also after I work the new engine in I'm planning on
> opening up the exhaust port.
> My question is, after the 70cc kit plus the exhaust work whats the
> power
> then?? How many horse power, etc??? I'm hopeing that doing this work
> and
> paying for it's worth it! Does anyone know thats done this already??
I opened the exhaust port, replaced the carb and intake manifold and
installed a Biturbo pipe on a '96 Tomos Targa. I did not have a 70cc
kit. On the dyno at Fast Lane Cycles in Chantilly, VA. It put out 4.3
HP at about 8000 RPM. The 1.95 HP on a stock motor is produced at 5000
RPM.
If you check at some of the motorcycle shops, the ones that support
racing bikes usually have a dyno. Fast Lane charged $20 for the dyno
run on mine. I got about 1/2 hour on the dyno and was able to adjust
the timing and jetting several times to get it where it worked the
best. The guys at the shop had a great time giving advice and laughing,
the bike on the dyno before my moped was a Kawasaki ZX9 that the owner
was complaining about because it only put out 120 hp.
I have a 70cc kit on order also, and will be setting it up this fall.
Leon. mrider@illuminet.net
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:33:52 -0700
To: kelgar@po-box.mcgill.ca
From: kelgar@po-box.mcgill.ca
Subject: Yamaha Towny 1984
Hi,
I just bought a yamaha towny 1984. I am looking for a maintenance manual
... Can anyone tell me where i can find one (in Canada)?
I'd also like to know what i should do before i store it for winter(5-6
months), and how i should do it.
Thank you for all the help. I appreciate this community sense.
K.E
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 03:24:03 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: Puch wiring diagram needed.
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: dinsdag 9 september 1997 19:29
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:13:29 -0400 (EDT)
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: duckdogs@bright.net
| Subject: Puch wiring diagram needed.
|
|
| Fellow mopeders,
|
| I am in dire need of a wiring diagram for a 1980 Puch magnum. I know
| somebody out there has one! A clear copy from an owners manual or out of
a
| shop manual would do just fine.
|
Hi, on my links pages there are 2 swedish sites , on one of 'em is a
diagram for a maxi (if that's the same)
Bye, Peter.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Homepages:
http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7464
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7858
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:01:41 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Need Help
----- reply to MATeti@aol.com ------
Could you help me find information about repairing a
Honda Spree ES (1988)....
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:02:18 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Moped Laws
------ reply to BGW
Hi!
My name is Geoff Whyte. I live in Ottwa Ontario Canada's capital city. I
was wondering if you had any info on the laws in ontario. If so please
e-mail me at q_op@hotmail.com.
Thanx.
Date: 10 Sep 1997 22:25:11 -0000
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----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: dinsdag 9 september 1997 19:29
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 01:06:10 -0400
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: rmh@snip.net
| Subject: Power Question!!!
|
|
| Hello,
|
| My name is Mike,
|
| A few more days and I'll being getting my 70cc package I ordered! I
| can't wait! And also after I work the new engine in I'm planning on
| opening up the exhaust port. This should be a big change for me since my
| engine had over 15,000 miles on it and was over 30% down on compression.
| My moped is a 1995 Tomos Targa LX. The engine is 49cc \ 1.95 horse
| power.
| My question is, after the 70cc kit plus the exhaust work whats the power
| then?? How many horse power, etc??? I'm hopeing that doing this work and
| paying for it's worth it! Does anyone know thats done this already??
| Thanks!
| Mike Hillegas
| (rmh@snip.net)
|
|
At least 4 but depending of your tuning skill upto 6 or more.
the carb makes a lot of difference.
Peter.
Date: 10 Sep 1997 22:26:03 -0000
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 03:10:34 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: 77 puch
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: dinsdag 9 september 1997 19:29
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:12:35 -0600
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: jcoplanj@brookings.net
| Subject: 77 puch
|
|
| hi.
|
| my 77 puch maxi is still flooding all the time. There is krap
| getting on the spark plug. when i put in a new plug, it will
| start. I took the carb apart and didn't see anything. i cleaned
| it. people have been mentioning the jets to me. Could someone
| please tell me what the tension should be on the jets. are they
| supposed to be in tight or what. after i put the carb back
| in today with the jets tight, it ran a while and now a new plug
| won't even start it. what the hell is going on.
| don't tell me to start digging into clutches or manifolds or shit
| like that. i know it's something in the carb or spark plug or
| whatever is in between them. exhaust has been cleaned.
|
| damnit
|
| jeff coplan
|
| Didn't you crash it? timing could be shifted...
Peter.
|
Date: 10 Sep 1997 22:26:22 -0000
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Subject: Re: moped ciao
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 03:08:18 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: moped ciao
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: dinsdag 9 september 1997 19:29
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:03:37 +0200
| To:
| Subject: moped ciao
|
|
| how fast can a ciao moped run.and how can you speed up the moped.
|
|
because a ciao breats through the crankrom, you can go to the limit but,
the frame won't last that long , as does the clutch and snare, pitty, but
i've seen some drive over 100 km / h (62 mph) and thats fast on a moped
with barely brakes and shock absorbers. (btw not recommended to do !)
Peter.
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:25:20 -0500
To:
Subject: Fw: Sax motorised bike systems
----------
> From: Don Santowiak
> Subject: Sax motorised bike systems
> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 4:59 AM
> > I am hoping to get information re: SAX 2 stroke bike motors. In Australia
> (Victoria) our legal road limit for these motors is 0.2 kw. These motors
> are available in other parts of the world rated at 0.65 kw. Apparently
our
> units are electronically governed down.
> Is this true ? and if so how can I increase the power output ? Some
people
> I have spoken to belive that it is only a question of changing the
> electronic module. If so where can I purchase such and at what cost ?. My
> aim is to build an off road syle bike where the power output will not be
a
> legal issue. Someone help please !!!
>
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:19:11 -0700
To: agner@erols.com
From: agner@erols.com
Subject: Re: mail order moped.
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:45:05 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Andrei Zaitsev
> Subject: mail order moped.
> > I just recieved my Northern Hydraulics catalog in the mail.
> In it they have a moped for sale. It's a traditional pedal type 'ped with
> an open, bicycle derived frame, not a plastic bodied scooter.
> The brand and model is Kinetic TFR. It claims to meet USA Federal
> motor vehicle safety standards.
> > The price is $729 plus about $80 shipping. That's substantially less than
> a new Tomos or Puch- even with the shipping.
> > Anyone ever hear of this brand?
> > -Dave
I don't know what they're going for now, but 2 years ago I was in Motor
Bikes Imports on Rt. 130 in Pennsauken, NJ, and they had new leftover
Puch mopeds for 799 as I recall. Have they gone up that much in the
past 2 years?
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:43:36 -0400
To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
From: libertybell7@earthlink.net
Subject: Honda Urban Express needed.
Help! I need a cylinder and piston along with rings for a Honda Urban
express. Not scored up would be pretty helpful. I have to get this
piece of "stuff" out of my basement and into someone elses. :-). Anybody
know where I can get one? Thank alot gang! CU Later.. Mike
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:47:55 -0400
To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
From: libertybell7@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Fw: Need Help
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:01:41 -0500
> To: "Mailing List"
> Subject: Fw: Need Help
> > ----- reply to MATeti@aol.com ------
> Could you help me find information about repairing a
> Honda Spree ES (1988)....
Hi, Try Steve Hassa at MopedMoped@AOL.com. Very nice guy and very
knowedgeable. Regards ... Mike
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:16:09 -0400
To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
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> > ----------
> | Van: Andrei Zaitsev
> | Datum: dinsdag 9 september 1997 19:29
> |
> | *************************************************
> | Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:12:35 -0600
> | To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> | From: jcoplanj@brookings.net
> | Subject: 77 puch
> |
> |
> | hi.
> |
> | my 77 puch maxi is still flooding all the time. There is krap
> | getting on the spark plug. when i put in a new plug, it will
> | start. I took the carb apart and didn't see anything. i cleaned
> | it. people have been mentioning the jets to me. Could someone
> | please tell me what the tension should be on the jets. are they
> | supposed to be in tight or what. after i put the carb back
> | in today with the jets tight, it ran a while and now a new plug
> | won't even start it. what the hell is going on.
> | don't tell me to start digging into clutches or manifolds or shit
> | like that. i know it's something in the carb or spark plug or
> | whatever is in between them. exhaust has been cleaned.
> |
> | damnit
> |
> | jeff coplan
> |
> | Didn't you crash it? timing could be shifted...
> Peter.
> |
Hi Jeff, I agree with Peter on the timing issue. Your timing setup
could be borderline and maybe slightly into the bad region. The fouled
plug is a good hint. Check this first and make sure the phenolic that
rides on the cam has not worn down to much. I picked up a 1981 Indian
moped that had closed up points. After that was corrected it ran and
still does like a champ. There also maybe a piece of felt in there(
the point region) that rides on the cam for lubrication ... Saturate it
with motor oil. The flooding is probably caused by a defective float
or float seat or some crap in the float valve seat. Check it out.
Install a fuel filter if one is not already present. Above all be
patient, work slowly and try not to get to angry at it. :-) Never give
up! Let us know how things are turning out for you. Best wishes..
Mike Burch
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:16:22 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: duckdogs@bright.net
Subject: motorcycle junk yard
Paul? asked:
>Just where is this yard? I come through there quite often and would
>like to find a Columbia Moped for the speedometer cable and maybe a rear
>fender. What does he sell junk mopeds for? Thanks in advance. Please
>give directions from US23.
It's abt a quarter mile south of the Threelocks Rd exit on the west
side. You can't actually get to it from 23, although you can see it real
well! You have to take the Threelocks exit and turn on Renick Rd which
parallels 23. If you take the correct exit you'll figger it out.
I was there today. Didn't see a Columbia. What do they look like? Who
makes them? Who makes the speedo? Maybe one from another ped would fit.
Today I bought a complete headlight, an extra lens with ring, a light/horn
switch, a throttle/brake lever, a magneto cover and a front and rear mag
wheels complete with sprokets, brakes and bad tires. None of the parts are
perfect. the chrome lens ring is a little rusty, but all I wanted was the
lens anyway. The switch was sun baked/bleached from black to gray. The
throttle/brake lever is a little rough, but it works! The mag cover is
pretty nice and the wheels will look just fine after clean up and paint. I
spent $10.65.
If you want I'll look for your cable next time I'm there. Or E-mail me
and I'll mail you a map.
Greg Kauffman
1968 Z28
1970 Norton Commando "S"
1974 2002Tii
1979 Puch Maxi
1980 Puch Magnum
1988 Suburban the "RIG"
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:06:40 -0400 (EDT)
To: q_op@hotmail.com
From: manttila@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Moped Laws
You were asking about moped laws in Ottawa... I've written all I know
about them on my web page at
http://wwww.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~manttila/mopedlaw.html
Here's the info in brief:
- You need a G class to drive it (an M class should be fine too)
- It must be safetied, registered, insured, and plated.
- You must wear a motorcycle helmet at all times
- You must behave like a car (or a motorcycle)
i.e. no riding between traffic, on the shoulder, and whatnot.
I'm not 100% sure on all of this.
I'm about to go through all this stuff myself as soon as I get my moped
(1977 Honda PC50) road worthy again.
So, what kind of moped do you have?
I live in the west end of Ottawa... what about you?
(Note: I copied the moped mailing list on this in case other people want
to know the laws in Ontario for some reason)
-Mike
___________________________________________________________
Michael Anttila aka PsychoMan of Craw Productions
3A Pure Math / Computer Science at U. of Waterloo, Canada
E-Mail: manttila@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
Homepage: http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~manttila/
Craw Productions: craw@magi.com, http://www.magi.com/~craw/
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:08:31 -0500
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'"
Subject: RE: Bicycle Assist Units are not Mopeds
Since others have brought up the subject, does anyone have any
experience with any of these add-on units concerning quality, ease of
use and reliability? And let's not forget fun-factor.
Norris B. Heckwine
Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:37:12 -0600
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'"
Subject: RE: Puch wiring diagram needed.
I am in need of a carburetor for a 1978 PUCH (JC Penny Pinto). Also is
it a problem locating a fuel valve for the same? Where do you recommend
I go for rings, gaskets, and a taillight lense? Are kits available to
bore these out a bit?
Thanks
Rick Busche
Salt Lake City, Utah
Rbusche@es.com
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From: Andrei Zaitsev [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 11:30 AM
To: Moped Mailing List
Subject: Puch wiring diagram needed.
*************************************************
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:13:29 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: duckdogs@bright.net
Subject: Puch wiring diagram needed.
Fellow mopeders,
I am in dire need of a wiring diagram for a 1980 Puch magnum.
I know
somebody out there has one! A clear copy from an owners manual
or out of a
shop manual would do just fine.
By the way, there is a motercycle "junkyard" here in
Chillicothe and the
proprietor has 15 to 20 mopeds there. Most are in pretty sad
shape having
been picked over (I was unable to find a servicable petcock for
instance).
There are about 5 Puchs, 2 or 3 Tomos, and a variety of others.
If anybody
close needs anything, E-mail me and I'll go look.
Greg Kauffman
1968 Z28
1970 Norton Commando "S"
1974 2002Tii
1979 Puch Maxi
1980 Puch Magnum
1988 Suburban the "RIG"
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:49:14 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: Peugeot SPL3, 1980
Hello,
At 10:29 9-09-97 PDT, you wrote:
>shape with one exception. One of the chains broke and we've not been
>able to find a replacement anywhere! Twice it was "repaired" but still
That's odd..
>didn't fit when we got it home and tried it. Can you please help us? I
>know you'll need more information but I'm not sure what you need and my
>husband is asleep. We were saving our mopeds for our retirement years
>and they're just around the corner. I'd love to surprise my husband
>with the appropriate chain as a retirement gift.
Well, i've got it right here, but I live in the Netherlands (Europe).
You need an 1/2 X 3/16 chain with narrow links, we stock width 17 and 18; you need 18 and 122 links. Puch Maxi has the same narrow chain, but has 100
links...
Cheers,
Hans Hartman
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:49:17 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: Puch wiring diagram needed.
Hello, Greg and fellow mopedeers
At 10:29 9-09-97 PDT, you wrote:
> I am in dire need of a wiring diagram for a 1980 Puch magnum. I know
No you don't! You just need to know the wiring colors and their
corresponding numbers.
These are all normalised (DIN=Deutsche Industrie Norm) in Europe, and in the
US too for all I know..
The numbers are often printed on the electric components.
1 green, from HT-coil to contact breaker.
2 black, from ignition coil to ignition switch or
kill-switch
4 HT-lead, from Ht coil to spark-plug
15 or 15/54 black, from ignition switch to HT-coil, horn and stop-light
30/51 red, from regulator to battery +
30 red, from battery + to ignition switch and starter motor
31 brown/green-yellow, from battery - to frame and -
terminal on lights
50 black, from starterbutton to starter-relais
54 yellow, from ignition switch to horn, turn signals
and stop-light
56 black\white, from lighting switch to low/high beam switch
56a white, from low/high beam switch to high beam terminal
on lamp
56b light blue or yellow, from low/high beam switch to
low beam terminal
57 grey, from lighting switch to parking lights
58 grey, from lighting switch to rear light
59 or 51 blue, from lighting coil or alternator to lighting switch
59a blue, from alternator via rectifier to battery +
61 blue, from rectifier to charge lamp
85 brown, from relay to ground (frame)
86 grey, from relay via switch to +
87 green/grey, from relay output to horn, flash light or
auxillary lights
87a green/grey, from relay stand-by terminal to same as above
B+ red, from regulator to battery
D+ red, from alternator + to rectifier
DF blue/black, from alternator fields to regulator
D- brown, from alternator - to regulator
L blue/red, from turn indicator switch via relay to
left turn indicator
R blue/black, from turn indicator switch via relay to
right turn indicator
You can use other colours (everybody does!) but the numbers are given facts.
Being European, your Puch's electrical components (Robert Bosch) are most
likely marked with those numbers.
> 1970 Norton Commando "S"
Is that thing from the Combat series? It has stage II camshafts?
Cheers,
Hans Hartman
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:46:05 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Moped Laws
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> - It must be safetied
incorrect. Mopeds are exempt, scooters are not.
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:04:46 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Schemper@aol.com
Subject: 1979 Tomos
My 1979 Tomos that I just got ran well for a few weeks but recently has begun
to have a few problems.
The first is that it poops out right after starting. The engine Turns over
but then when I turn the throttle it dies. I am sure it is not, my first
guess, the spark plug.
Does anyone have any ideas on what I could do or what it's problem is?
Thanks,
Mark Schemper
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:09:55 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: rmh@snip.net
Subject: ??? Questions About 70cc Kit ???
Hello, Please help me with these few questions I Have.
I just recieved the 70cc kit I purchased and was a little
confused about the parts that were in it. I have a 1995 Tomos Targa LX.
I bought the kit from AAA moped in Florida.
Wheres the reed valve go? Is it built into the carb? Wheres the
oil line go? Why is the new intake oddly shaped so the new carb doesn't
fit the way it's saposto??? I spent a lot of money on this thinking
it was just a bolt on thing like everyone been saying on here, I might
have some wrong parts, please let me know, here they are
Puch Maxi New Model 45mm cylinder (70cc)
Puch 45mm cylinder head
EURO intake manifold
15mm AMAL carb
All gaskets etc....
I feel that some of these parts might be the wrong ones. Will someone
who has installed the 70cc kit please help me. Thanks alot!
Mike Hillegas (rmh@snip.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 03:29:02 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ASprayberr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mail order moped
I want more info on how I can get the cataloge and see this little gem for
myself.
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:53:13 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Dashaun84@aol.com
Subject: I need a moped!!!!
I am in desprite need of a moped I am willing to trade a Sony Playstaion
video game with all part and games included or pay up to $150 for a good
running moped from 70s-90.I am looking for a seller from either nj,pa,or ny.
you can write me at:
1482b Libety ave.
Hillside NJ 07205 USA
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:25:42 -0400 (EDT)
To: Andrei Zaitsev
Subject: Problems Starting
I have a 1978 moped and I have problems starting it. If anyone has any
tips let me know. The thing thakes about 20 minutes to start! Thanks.
Eric Hernandez
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:34:42 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: rmh@snip.net
Subject: Please Help Me With 70cc Kit!!!
Hello, My name is Mike. I just purchased a 70cc kit for my 1995 tomos
targa LX. From what I've heard it's saposta be bolt-on stuff but I've
ran into some problems. First of all I bought it at a place in south
flordia called AAA Moped. Heres a list of the pieces I recieved,
Puch Maxi 45mm (70cc) Cylinder
Puch Maxi 45mm Cylinder Head
EURO intake manifold
15mm AMAL Carb (says made in spain)
all gaskets and other crap
Can any of you out there with this kit please tell me what parts you
got?
Wheres the oil line go? Do you still use oil injection with this kit or
not? Wheres the reed valve? Why is the new intake oddly shaped and does
fit right? I'm feeling I've got some wrong parts. I live in South Jersy,
anyone near here with knowledge or anyone else around the world that can
help please do! Thanks!
Mike Hillegas (rmh@snip.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:36:51 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ASprayberr@aol.com
Subject: Re: mail order moped.
How do I get one of these catalogs that has this scooter in it? I'd like to
have one or at least see it. Thanks in advance.
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 09:19:17 -0400
To: lachm@skyia.com
From: lachm@skyia.com
Subject: posting to the list
Pleasae post up the following message: I am loking for a moped that is
in good condition (under 150$) . I live in london London Ontario
(Canada).
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:30:38 -0500
To:
Subject: RE: Puch wiring diagram needed.
Let me know how much you pay for a carburetor, in case I come to
the conclusion that the one in my 77 maxi is "bad."
Jeff Coplan
>*************************************************
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:37:12 -0600
>To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'"
>Subject: RE: Puch wiring diagram needed.
> > >I am in need of a carburetor for a 1978 PUCH (JC Penny Pinto). Also is
>it a problem locating a fuel valve for the same? Where do you recommend
>I go for rings, gaskets, and a taillight lense? Are kits available to
>bore these out a bit?
> >Thanks
> >Rick Busche
>Salt Lake City, Utah
>Rbusche@es.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrei Zaitsev [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 11:30 AM
> To: Moped Mailing List
> Subject: Puch wiring diagram needed.
> > *************************************************
> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:13:29 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: duckdogs@bright.net
> Subject: Puch wiring diagram needed.
> > > Fellow mopeders,
> > I am in dire need of a wiring diagram for a 1980 Puch magnum.
>I know
> somebody out there has one! A clear copy from an owners manual
>or out of a
> shop manual would do just fine.
> > By the way, there is a motercycle "junkyard" here in
>Chillicothe and the
> proprietor has 15 to 20 mopeds there. Most are in pretty sad
>shape having
> been picked over (I was unable to find a servicable petcock for
>instance).
> There are about 5 Puchs, 2 or 3 Tomos, and a variety of others.
>If anybody
> close needs anything, E-mail me and I'll go look.
> > > > > > > > > Greg Kauffman
> > 1968 Z28
> 1970 Norton Commando "S"
> 1974 2002Tii
> 1979 Puch Maxi
> 1980 Puch Magnum
> 1988 Suburban the "RIG"
Jeff Coplan
Brookings, SD
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:06:37 -0600
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'"
Subject: RE: Puch wiring diagram needed.
I have found a source of NEW carbs for $105.00 & $115.00. A bit
expensive but what can you do. By the way I wouldn't think that you
need a new carb. If yours is bad you can ALWAYS rebuild it.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrei Zaitsev [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 1997 12:57 PM
To: Moped Mailing List
Subject: RE: Puch wiring diagram needed.
*************************************************
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:30:38 -0500
To:
Subject: RE: Puch wiring diagram needed.
Let me know how much you pay for a carburetor, in case I come to
the conclusion that the one in my 77 maxi is "bad."
Jeff Coplan
>*************************************************
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:37:12 -0600
>To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'"
>Subject: RE: Puch wiring diagram needed.
> > >I am in need of a carburetor for a 1978 PUCH (JC Penny Pinto).
Also is
>it a problem locating a fuel valve for the same? Where do you
recommend
>I go for rings, gaskets, and a taillight lense? Are kits
available to
>bore these out a bit?
> >Thanks
> >Rick Busche
>Salt Lake City, Utah
>Rbusche@es.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrei Zaitsev [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 11:30 AM
> To: Moped Mailing List
> Subject: Puch wiring diagram needed.
> > *************************************************
> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:13:29 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: duckdogs@bright.net
> Subject: Puch wiring diagram needed.
> > > Fellow mopeders,
> > I am in dire need of a wiring diagram for a 1980
Puch magnum.
>I know
> somebody out there has one! A clear copy from an
owners manual
>or out of a
> shop manual would do just fine.
> > By the way, there is a motercycle "junkyard" here in
>Chillicothe and the
> proprietor has 15 to 20 mopeds there. Most are in
pretty sad
>shape having
> been picked over (I was unable to find a servicable
petcock for
>instance).
> There are about 5 Puchs, 2 or 3 Tomos, and a variety of
others.
>If anybody
> close needs anything, E-mail me and I'll go look.
> > > > > > > > > Greg Kauffman
> > 1968 Z28
> 1970 Norton Commando "S"
> 1974 2002Tii
> 1979 Puch Maxi
> 1980 Puch Magnum
> 1988 Suburban the "RIG"
Jeff Coplan
Brookings, SD
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:45:25 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Dashaun84@aol.com
Subject: Re: Puch wiring diagram needed.
In a message dated 97-09-15 11:02:16 EDT, you write:
<< duckdogs@bright.net >> I am in desperate need of a moped.I am willing to trade a Sony Playstation
video game with all parts 2 controllers,and disks,or pay up to $150 for a
good running moped from the 70s-80s.I will take any type of moped as long as
it runs.my e-mail address is Dashaun84@.aol.net.telephone number is
1-973-705-8108.or you can send me pictures or letters at:Dashaun Jackson
1482b Liberty Ave.
Hillside NJ 07205.USA
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:39:58 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AentilxX@aol.com
Subject: Help me with parents
I will be turning fourteen very shortly and I really want a moped my I am
trying to convince my parents into letting me get one They are concerned in
safety and the dont think I need to waste my money. I would greatly
appreciate it if anyone could help me out and give me some information to
pursuade my parenbts.
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:50:00 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: 1979 Tomos
| From: Schemper@aol.com
| Subject: 1979 Tomos
|
|
| My 1979 Tomos that I just got ran well for a few weeks but recently has
begun
| to have a few problems.
| The first is that it poops out right after starting. The engine Turns
over
| but then when I turn the throttle it dies. I am sure it is not, my first
| guess, the spark plug.
| Does anyone have any ideas on what I could do or what it's problem is?
|
| Thanks,
| Mark Schemper
|
|
HI Mark, matbe the poor babe has stood still for a while and some rust came
out of the tank, and is blocking one of the carburetto's holes now?
Peter.
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:07:56 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: Problems Starting
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: zondag 14 september 1997 20:56
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:25:42 -0400 (EDT)
| To: Andrei Zaitsev
| Subject: Problems Starting
|
|
| I have a 1978 moped and I have problems starting it. If anyone has any
| tips let me know. The thing thakes about 20 minutes to start! Thanks.
|
| Eric Hernandez
|
|
2 tips,
Clean everything (inside the carb, ignition area, piston, exhaust, and
check for compression)
Adjust everything (timing, idle air/gas ratio)
than it starts like a dream. :-)
Peter.
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:39:49 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: 1979 Tomos
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:04:46 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Schemper@aol.com
> Subject: 1979 Tomos
> > My 1979 Tomos that I just got ran well for a few weeks but recently has begun
> to have a few problems.
> The first is that it poops out right after starting. The engine Turns over
> but then when I turn the throttle it dies. I am sure it is not, my first
> guess, the spark plug.
> Does anyone have any ideas on what I could do or what it's problem is?
> > Thanks,
> Mark Schemper
Choke, man, choke!
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:37:08 -0700
To: agner@erols.com
From: agner@erols.com
Subject: Re: Problems Starting
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:25:42 -0400 (EDT)
> To: Andrei Zaitsev
> Subject: Problems Starting
> > I have a 1978 moped and I have problems starting it. If anyone has any
> tips let me know. The thing thakes about 20 minutes to start! Thanks.
> > Eric Hernandez
To what does it respond? What do you do to get it to start?
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:00:50 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: FLyMr4444@aol.com
Subject: Re: Problems Starting
maybe it just need to heat up first.
-Anthony
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:06:23 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Jerky181@aol.com
Subject: Yamaha Scooter not running
Hi! A buddy of mine just gave me an old yamaha scooter of his. I had it
running at one point, but the only problem was that you had to throttle it
constantly to keep it from stalling. Since then I messed with the carburator
adjustment screws to see if I could get it to run properly. It would start
and somewhat run but at low rev's it would die. Then one day it wouldn't
even start at all. I fiddled with the carb adjustments but it still won't
start. I need some help to get it running again. Thanks.
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:30:11 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ASprayberr@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1979 Tomos
let it warm up for a few minutes then try it.
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:55:48 -0700
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: drstupid@usa.net
Subject: Carb?
What is the purpose of tilting a carb on a moped??
Thanks,
Dan
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:53:24 -0400 (EDT)
To: rmh@snip.net
From: duckdogs@bright.net
Subject: 70cc kit
> I just recieved the 70cc kit I purchased and was a little
>confused about the parts that were in it. I have a 1995 Tomos Targa LX.
>I bought the kit from AAA moped in Florida.
>Puch Maxi New Model 45mm cylinder (70cc)
> Puch 45mm cylinder head
> EURO intake manifold
> 15mm AMAL carb
> All gaskets etc....
Mike,
It sounds like you got a kit for a Puch instead of a Tomos. Prob need
to call the dealer. BTW, what did you pay for it?
Greg Kauffman
1968 Z28
1970 Norton Commando "S"
1974 2002Tii
1979 Puch Maxi
1980 Puch Magnum
1988 Suburban the "RIG"
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:28:15 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: david.dauphinee@sympatico.ca
Subject: mopeds
Hi, my name is sean and recently my dad found a 68 moped in his mom's
barn, it is in really rough shape so i would like to find out more about
moped parts and costs. I would love to subcribe moped.
Thanx Sean
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:26:33 -0600
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'"
Subject: RE: Puch wiring diagram needed.
Unfortunately mine is missing so I might have to bite the bullet. By
chance is this source located in Denver? Can't remember the name but the
gentleman I spoke with offered me the same prices. I would like to find
a used one because 1) it is cheaper and 2) I need the cable as well.
Thanks for your help.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrei Zaitsev [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 1:28 PM
To: Moped Mailing List
Subject: RE: Puch wiring diagram needed.
*************************************************
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:06:37 -0600
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'"
Subject: RE: Puch wiring diagram needed.
I have found a source of NEW carbs for $105.00 & $115.00. A bit
expensive but what can you do. By the way I wouldn't think that
you
need a new carb. If yours is bad you can ALWAYS rebuild it.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrei Zaitsev [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 1997 12:57 PM
To: Moped Mailing List
Subject: RE: Puch wiring diagram needed.
*************************************************
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:30:38 -0500
To:
Subject: RE: Puch wiring diagram needed.
Let me know how much you pay for a carburetor, in case I
come to
the conclusion that the one in my 77 maxi is "bad."
Jeff Coplan
>*************************************************
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:37:12 -0600
>To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'"
>Subject: RE: Puch wiring diagram needed.
> > >I am in need of a carburetor for a 1978 PUCH (JC Penny
Pinto).
Also is
>it a problem locating a fuel valve for the same? Where
do you
recommend
>I go for rings, gaskets, and a taillight lense? Are
kits
available to
>bore these out a bit?
> >Thanks
> >Rick Busche
>Salt Lake City, Utah
>Rbusche@es.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrei Zaitsev
[SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 11:30 AM
> To: Moped Mailing List
> Subject: Puch wiring diagram needed.
> > *************************************************
> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:13:29 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: duckdogs@bright.net
> Subject: Puch wiring diagram needed.
> > > Fellow mopeders,
> > I am in dire need of a wiring diagram for a
1980
Puch magnum.
>I know
> somebody out there has one! A clear copy from
an
owners manual
>or out of a
> shop manual would do just fine.
> > By the way, there is a motercycle "junkyard"
here in
>Chillicothe and the
> proprietor has 15 to 20 mopeds there. Most are
in
pretty sad
>shape having
> been picked over (I was unable to find a
servicable
petcock for
>instance).
> There are about 5 Puchs, 2 or 3 Tomos, and a
variety of
others.
>If anybody
> close needs anything, E-mail me and I'll go
look.
> > > > > > > > > Greg Kauffman
> > 1968 Z28
> 1970 Norton Commando "S"
> 1974 2002Tii
> 1979 Puch Maxi
> 1980 Puch Magnum
> 1988 Suburban the "RIG"
Jeff Coplan
Brookings, SD
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:28:50 -0600
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'"
Subject: RE: Help me with parents
Somewhere on the web I found a report on the safety of Mopeds. If you
can't find it let me know. By the way I just got two mopeds for my 13
and 15 year old sons. Its my hope that they develop mechanical skills by
working on them and I enjoy helping them. I don't see how they are any
more dangerous than a bicycle. Obviously helmets should be used for
both.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrei Zaitsev [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 1:28 PM
To: Moped Mailing List
Subject: Help me with parents
*************************************************
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:39:58 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AentilxX@aol.com
Subject: Help me with parents
I will be turning fourteen very shortly and I really want a
moped my I am
trying to convince my parents into letting me get one They are
concerned in
safety and the dont think I need to waste my money. I would
greatly
appreciate it if anyone could help me out and give me some
information to
pursuade my parenbts.
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:31:05 -0600
To: "'daugava@nothnbut.net'"
Subject: RE: Yamaha Scooter not running
First thing I would do it check (change) the points. Then I would make
sure the muffler was not plugged, then I would disassemble the carb and
clean it.
Hope this helps....
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrei Zaitsev [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 1:28 PM
To: Moped Mailing List
Subject: Yamaha Scooter not running
*************************************************
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:06:23 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Jerky181@aol.com
Subject: Yamaha Scooter not running
Hi! A buddy of mine just gave me an old yamaha scooter of his.
I had it
running at one point, but the only problem was that you had to
throttle it
constantly to keep it from stalling. Since then I messed with
the carburator
adjustment screws to see if I could get it to run properly. It
would start
and somewhat run but at low rev's it would die. Then one day it
wouldn't
even start at all. I fiddled with the carb adjustments but it
still won't
start. I need some help to get it running again. Thanks.
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:00:02 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: mrider@illuminet.net
Subject: Re: Help me with parents
AentilxX@aol.com wrote:
> I will be turning fourteen very shortly and I really want a moped my I am
> trying to convince my parents into letting me get one They are concerned in
> safety and the dont think I need to waste my money. I would greatly
> appreciate it if anyone could help me out and give me some information to
> pursuade my parenbts.
As a father who went through this a couple of years ago. The areas that
concerned me are money, maintenance, risk management and legal problems.
Money - Do you have a job? If you can pay for it yourself, that might help.
Have you demonstrated an ability to manage your money? You are unlikely to be
allowed to spend all your money on this moped, how much are you saving for
things like college and how will you be able to continue to save after you get
the moped.
Maintenance - Do you have a bicycle? Do you take care of it? If you can't
care for a bicycle, you won't take care of a moped. How about the family lawn
mower? Have you ever cleaned it? Without being asked? Will this moped be new
or used? The maintenance is likely to be very different, what things can you
do, who will do the things you can't?
Risk Management - How do your parents feel about risk generally? If neither
of them takes risks in any of the sports in which they participate, they will
not be likely to allow you to take risks. If they don't take risks, how can
they be assured that you understand the risks involved? Where did you learn to
properly weigh the risks involved in riding a moped if not at home?
Legal Problems - Is 14 old enough to operate a moped in your state? Have you
been to the library to look up all the rules about mopeds for your area? What
about a helmet? Is it required? Do you have one? Does the moped need to be
licensed? Will a dealer sell it to you, or do you need one of your parents to
be the legal owner of it?
Leon.
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:44:25 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: FLyMr4444@aol.com
Subject: Moped For Sale
Hi, i am look for anyone that is selling a Moped ($50-$150) in Mass. Also i
was wondering of anyone know if a regular kick scooter with no engine, could
hold a 3.5 engine and if anyone know's how I could put it on.
-Anthony
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:50:20 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Gokartridr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Help me with parents
TALK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE!!! tell them they can make boundries and all that.
also when they need something at the store, walaa you can get it
nathan
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:54:18 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: djb@harvard.edu
Subject: Tomos Targa Questions...
Hi fellow mopedestrians,
About a month ago I purchased a 1995 Tomos Targa ("new",
out of the box) and I have a few questions. I've put
about 230 km on it so far.
1) I'm planning on getting the bi-turbo exhaust, and am
considering the 70cc kit as well. My primary goal isn't
to get tons more speed, but rather acceleration from a
dead stop. I'm riding around the Cambridge (MA USA, not
UK) area. If you're familiar with the stereotype of the
"Boston driver" you'll understand -- people around here
seem compelled by some unholy force to *aim* at me when
I'm on a moped. The Boston driver simply *must* be going
faster than my moped. It doesn't matter if there are six
cars ahead of me and a red light a block past them, cars
behind me seem to face an irresistable need to blaze past
me. So... Will the 70cc kit contribute significantly to
my ability to accelerate out of the way of these idiots?
2) I'm not a mechanic, but I'm mechanically inclined. I've
read enough about exhaust port tuning and porting jobs to
know that I *do not* want to get in that deep. Is the 70cc
kit something that I might feel comfortable installing myself,
or is it tricky enough for the non-expert so that I should
let a mechanic do it? One person has described it to me
as "very simple" and "bolt off, bolt on" and I've read
another posting from someone who seemed a little confused.
Does the kit come with instructions that are suitable for
a consumer, or is does Tomos intend it to be installed by
someone who knows the inner secrets of the 2-stoke occult?
Does it involve disassembling the carb?
3) Now I forget question three.
[ d*b ]
David Bauman,
Tomos Pilot
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:43:59 -0600 (MDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu
Subject: cleaning gas tanks???
hi all
i was wondering if any of you had any experience cleaning nonremovable gas
tanks on mopeds. i've cleaned a couple motorcycle tanks with acid and
bb's, by shaking them around, but i can't imagine a good way to knock
loose all the rust inside a stationary tank that's part of the frame.
any suggestions??
thanks
luther
.. .
...
.
.. .
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:19:58 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: PHATone74@aol.com
Subject: my moped rules
I finnaly got my GArelli Supersport xl running.It is so cool.my dad and i
have a blast riding it on trails.
The other day my dad got stopped bye cop. he said we need to get it insured
and registered. Do they inspect mopeds? How much is average insurance? How
much is registeration? I just paid a fortune on the engine. I dont want to
have to spend more just to ride it (my dad)...(i'm not street legal yet)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:17:46 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Dashaun84@aol.com
Subject: Re: Help me with parents
hi i do agree with you on the safety tip.but i wanted to know what state do
you live in and if you can help me find a resonable priced moped under$200
that run. i would really be greatfull for you help.oh by the way i live in
Northeast New Jersey
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:46:57 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: duckdogs@bright.net
Subject: re Help with parents
Leon wrote
>As a father who went through this a couple of years ago. The areas that
>concerned me are money, maintenance, risk management and legal problems.
Good answer Leon!
Greg Kauffman
1968 Z28
1970 Norton Commando "S"
1974 2002Tii
1979 Puch Maxi
1980 Puch Magnum
1988 Suburban the "RIG"
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:00:00 -0500
To: Andrei Zaitsev
Subject: Puch
I have an old Sears Puch which I purchased a few months ago.
I am in need of the following parts:
1. carburettor
2. air cleaner housing and filter
3. headlamp, lens, reflector
4. decompression valve thumb lever
5. twist control for throttle with brake lever
6. lens(es) for tail lamp
7. 2 tires, 2 tubes
I would like to get an owners manual (or copy of one) especially if it shows
all the parts.
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:04:12 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: duckdogs@bright.net
Subject: Insurance and netiquette
someone wrote
>I finnaly got my GArelli Supersport xl running.It is so cool.my dad and i
>have a blast riding it on trails.
>The other day my dad got stopped bye cop. he said we need to get it insured
>and registered. Do they inspect mopeds? How much is average insurance? How
>much is registeration? I just paid a fortune on the engine. I dont want to
>have to spend more just to ride it (my dad)...(i'm not street legal yet)
> >
Folks,
I just bought a policy from State Farm for my 79 Puch. I am listed as
the principal driver vs my 14 yr old son. I can't remember the exact cost
but it was around $36.00 for a year. The limits are 100/300 liability and
50K property damage. I debated a while before getting it even though the
state of Ohio requires it. I envisioned a freak accident in which we
emerged unscathed but totaled a busload of Nuns. I feel much better now.
As to registration, I can't remember that either, but it seems like
it was 10 bucks. No inspection was required.
A small point of netiquette. Please sign your name to your posts so
we'll know who we're talking to!
ANDREW: Sorry, guys, my current mailing list software strips names
out of the headers, so signing is a good idea.
Greg Kauffman
1968 Z28
1970 Norton Commando "S"
1974 2002Tii
1979 Puch Maxi
1980 Puch Magnum
1988 Suburban the "RIG"
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 00:41:50 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: Help me with parents
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: dinsdag 16 september 1997 21:28
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:39:58 -0400 (EDT)
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: AentilxX@aol.com
| Subject: Help me with parents
|
|
| I will be turning fourteen very shortly and I really want a moped my I am
| trying to convince my parents into letting me get one They are concerned
in
| safety and the dont think I need to waste my money. I would greatly
| appreciate it if anyone could help me out and give me some information
to
| pursuade my parenbts.
|
|
More people die driving a car than driving mopeds....
A moped is faster than a bike so you are less time on that dangerous road
..
If you have a moped you can do two paper rounds(routes) instead of one so
it delivers money instead of costing.
You'll always wear a helmet (?)
good luck ,
Peter.
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 00:45:15 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: mopeds
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: dinsdag 16 september 1997 21:28
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:28:15 -0400
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: david.dauphinee@sympatico.ca
| Subject: mopeds
|
|
| Hi, my name is sean and recently my dad found a 68 moped in his mom's
| barn, it is in really rough shape so i would like to find out more about
| moped parts and costs. I would love to subcribe moped.
| Thanx Sean
|
|
'68 good wine year,
but what brand, or a pic maybe could help a lot
Peter.
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:22:27 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: AMF Roadmaster
-------- reply to powerg1
Andy- You have a great site and obviously you've done a lot of work on it
and it shows.
My 10 year old son just bought a AMF Roadmaster (1978) at a garage sale.
It
is one of those that had the motor above the rear tire and when engaged
you
would lower it on the tire to propel you. Well we couldn't get it
started.
I just removed the engine and found that the shaft that contacts the tire
has about 1/4 - 1/2 inch material (that must be for traction) is on it and
a chunk is missing. I think because of this the engine isn't moving
smoothly w/this chunk it won't start (If it did I guess it would clunk and
jerk every rotation).
Any suggestions if there is anything to fill it in with???? Did many
mopeds in the late 70's use this system?
Well if you have any ideas E-mail back or you can call me at work (Chicago
Time) at 800-631-8068.
I am not looking forward to breaking the bad news tomorrow morning to him
-
I know I'll have one sad and tearful little guy.
thanks
Chuck
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:38:43 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: cleaning gas tanks???
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: woensdag 17 september 1997 22:19
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:43:59 -0600 (MDT)
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu
| Subject: cleaning gas tanks???
|
|
| hi all
| i was wondering if any of you had any experience cleaning nonremovable
gas
| tanks on mopeds. i've cleaned a couple motorcycle tanks with acid and
| bb's, by shaking them around, but i can't imagine a good way to knock
| loose all the rust inside a stationary tank that's part of the frame.
| any suggestions??
| thanks
| luther
| . .
| Upside down in the carwash blow with the torch in the gas hole and if
comes streaming out ...
Peter.
| ...
| .
| . .
|
|
|
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:50:48 -0400
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: Re: my moped rules
PHATone74@aol.com
my moped rules
I finally got my Garelli Supersport xl running. my dad got stopped by
cop. How much is average insurance? How much is registeration?
depends on where you live. it could also be the cop doesn't know what
he's talking about. a few phone calls will be necessary. its still a
good idea to get any and all info in writing since there always
confusion with obscure matters such as moped laws (which in theory
should sometimes work in our favor). i got busted once by a NY port
authority cop who didn't know what an international drivers license was.
i wound up with $400 in fines even tho i was totally legal. ya never
know...
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:58:29 -0400
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: Re: cleaning gas tanks???
i was wondering if any of you had any experience cleaning nonremovable
gas tanks on mopeds.
it seems those babies always rust too!
i've poured ospho brand rust reverser (~$8/gallon) in a tank and sloshed
it around. it stops the rust but doesn't remove the "scales" - they do
stick together after treatment tho. when the tank's dry (compressed air
helps) ya gotta keep gas in it.
sherwin-wlliams extend or similar brands are not recommended as they
cotian coating agents that might not go too well with gasoline.
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:24:32 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Moped - Tomos Targa
-------- reply to Alene Greto
I bought a Moped Targa several months ago with the help of your web site
and some very nice folks who cared about sharing some wonderful
informative information. Living in Ft. Myers, Fl makes the weather
condusive to enjoying it all year around..Wherever my boyfriend Tim
goes, folks compliment his Tomos Targa & its looks and performance..
Just wanted to say thanks to the manufacturer and the caring people who
e-mailed us back...My goal for the future is to beable to get my own so
I can ride along with my boyfriend..
Thank you all.
Alene Greto & Tim Vuichard
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:23:07 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: cleaning gas tanks???
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:43:59 -0600 (MDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu
> Subject: cleaning gas tanks???
> > hi all
> i was wondering if any of you had any experience cleaning nonremovable gas
> tanks on mopeds. i've cleaned a couple motorcycle tanks with acid and
> bb's, by shaking them around, but i can't imagine a good way to knock
> loose all the rust inside a stationary tank that's part of the frame.
> any suggestions??
> thanks
> luther
> . .
> > ...
> .
> . .
There is a 3-stage tank liner kit called Kreem that seems to do wonders.
First, it eats the rust, then washes it out and finally it coats (lines)
the inside of the tank. You loose maybe 5% of your tank capacity.
Should ask for it at motorcycle shops. Cost is about $20-25
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:20:53 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: MaytagTwin@aol.com
Subject: Re: cleaning gas tanks??? Kwik Poly
In a message dated 97-09-17 20:15:29 EDT, you write:
<< Subj: cleaning gas tanks???
Date: 97-09-17 20:15:29 EDT
From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev)
Reply-to: daugava@nothnbut.net
To: daugava@nothnbut.net (Moped Mailing List)
*************************************************
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:43:59 -0600 (MDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu
Subject: cleaning gas tanks???
hi all
i was wondering if any of you had any experience cleaning nonremovable gas
tanks on mopeds. i've cleaned a couple motorcycle tanks with acid and
bb's, by shaking them around, but i can't imagine a good way to knock
loose all the rust inside a stationary tank that's part of the frame.
any suggestions??
thanks
luther
. . >> Luther,
There is a substance called "Kwik Poly" which is a two part mix. You clean
the tank as best you can but don't worry if you have left rust in it. It
just needs to be free of fuel and water. Then, you mix the two part Kwik
Poly and pour it into the tank. Now, here it gets tricky as you have to tilt
and turn the tank so that the Kwik Poly runs all around the inside of the
tank. It will, within about five minutes, harden and make a fuel proof
coating that seals in the rust so it doesn't escape and clog your carb and it
stops leaks. You shoul have removed your reserve/shutoff valve and screen as
it will seal the screen, too. Two pint cans (to be mixed together) cost
about $35 to $40 by mail. If anyone is interested, I will get an email
address of the seller from who I bought mine and let you contact him
directly.
Regards,
Ron Carroll
74 Ciao (beginning restoration, manual on order)
Nokesville, Virginia USA
maytagtwin@aol.com
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:01:09 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Motobecane Mobylette
-------- reply to Jack D Hunter
Greetings to all who own the above...Mine came from a barn after 13 years
of storage, flat tires,
dirty gas, old spark plug, but a good body...On the forks post was the
caption "Made in Paris
and 1-9-71....I am assuming either the machine was a 1971 type...or that
it was built in 1971, or
that it was built on Sept 1/71, or the 9th of Jan./71, or none of the
above.
I took it over to Kevin who pumped up the tires (with plenty of tread, an
no leak for 3 months)
then cleaned the gas tank and new fresh gas in, the plug was OK, aand
after
a few pumps of the pedals, she started and has been running like a dream
ever since...
I am quite excited about all this, as I think she is a classic, gray,and
spoked wheels.. Is there any info
re the engine, or the electics, or anything like a shop manual avaliable??
{Please, I would appreciate your
comments......Jack Hunter
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:16:21 -0600 (MDT)
To: Andrei Zaitsev
Subject: Re: Moped For Sale
> Also i
> was wondering of anyone know if a regular kick scooter with no engine, could
> hold a 3.5 engine and if anyone know's how I could put it on.
> > -Anthony
what kind of scooter body?
are you talking about a 3.5 horsepower motor? like a briggs and stratton?
if it's a cushman or other old american scooter, maybe.
if it's a vespa, lambretta, or japanese bike, probably not.
good luck
luther
.. .
...
.
.. .
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:00:18 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: MaytagTwin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Insurance
In a message dated 97-09-18 00:25:07 EDT, you write:
<< ate: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:04:12 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: duckdogs@bright.net
Subject: Insurance and netiquette
Folks,
I just bought a policy from State Farm for my 79 Puch. I am listed as
the principal driver vs my 14 yr old son. I can't remember the exact cost
but it was around $36.00 for a year. The limits are 100/300 liability and
50K property damage. I debated a while before getting it even though the
state of Ohio requires it. I envisioned a freak accident in which we
emerged unscathed but totaled a busload of Nuns. I feel much better now.
Greg Kauffman
1968 Z28
1970 Norton Commando "S"
1974 2002Tii
1979 Puch Maxi
1980 Puch Magnum
1988 Suburban the "RIG"
>> George,
Thanks for touching on the subject of insurance. I can see the value of it,
particularly when you consider the low cost for the protection it provides.
Your scene of the busload of Nuns being "totaled" by actions of your moped
is sad and I hope never happens. The only positive I can see in such a
situation is that the Nuns may all have taken vows of poverty and your
attorney can then declare that, while you may have caused the accident, the
dollar damage can't be all that high.
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia
maytagtwin@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:27:18 -0400
To:
Subject: Re: Help me with parents
>More people die driving a car than driving mopeds....
There are a lot more people driving and riding in cars
than on mopeds, so that isn't really a useful statistic.
I don't really think it takes a lot of pondering to
realize that you're a lot more exposed on a moped than
in a car. Riding around on a moped at 30mph is potentially
a lot more dangerous than doing the same in a car.
I think that the best way to convince your parents that
you'll act responsibly and safely would be to first take
time to learn about safe riding yourself.
If you're anything like I was when I was 14, there isn't
anything that's going to convince you of how quickly an
accident can happen at 30-35mph, or how ugly it can turn
out. I had to land on my face once (ripping my lower lip
down to my chin -- yay) and dislocate a shoulder (requiring
surgery to repair the ball joint) before I started riding
safely. I'm a slow learner. Even since then I've had an
accident that I walked away from only because of luck.
Learn about being watchful and aware of what other people
around you are doing. Learn what road conditions can
cause trouble (pine needles, sand, light rain) and how
to cope with them. Learn about "leaving yourself an 'out'"; that is, a way to get out of a situation. (eg. don't try to
shoot quickly between between two other vehicles, find a
way around. Assume that the kid on the curb could step
in front of you. Don't assume that the driver who looked
right at you a second ago won't turn in front of you now.)
If all of this sounds overly cautious or paranoid, I would
guess that 6 months of mopeding around in an area with at
least moderate traffic would change your mind.
If helmets are not required where you live, and you decide
to ride without one, you'll be exposing yourself to a whole
new class of injuries. Spend an evening at a local hospital's
emergency room; tell them that you're doing a paper for school
on head trauma. Hunt the Internet for head trauma stuff.
Brain damage can be one of the most difficult kinds of injury
to have to live with. If it can be avoided, and you decide
not to, then all of the advice and experience in the world
will probably do you no good.
>A moped is faster than a bike so you are less time on that
>dangerous road
Uh, yeah right. So if you get yourself a 1200cc crotch
rocket and do your paper route at 180mph, you'll be safer
still.
You might not want to focus on "that dangerous road" when
talking to the 'rents about this... A moped makes more noise
than a bicycle, so people might hear you. How about that?
Anyhow, if I were your dad, I'd probably let you ride a moped
around. (Unless you lived where I live; it's just plain not
safe around here.) I would make sure that you knew the consequences
of riding like an idiot, and I would make sure that you knew how
to get out of tight situations.
Try involving one of your parents in finding out about riding
safety with you. I know that that sounds goofy, but if you
demonstrate to them that you're really interested in protecting
yourself against getting maimed, they might come around.
Let us all know how it goes.
[ d*b ]
David B.
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:20:59 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AentilxX@aol.com
Subject: Re: Help me with parents
Me I live in Ohio, As for a cheap moped I dont know where check your
newspapers classifieds and even AOL's classifieds and u might just find one
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:25:22 +0200
To:
Subject: RE: Yamaha Scooter not running
Hello mopedeers,
At 16:19 17-09-97 -0400, you wrote:
>From: rbusche@es.com
>Subject: RE: Yamaha Scooter not running
> > >First thing I would do it check (change) the points. Then I would make
>sure the muffler was not plugged, then I would disassemble the carb and
>clean it.
> >Hope this helps....
No it won't. If this scooter is what I think it is, it has electronic
ignition. Don't touch it! It hates being horsed around :-)
Your problem is most likely the carburettor, scince you 'messed' with it. If
you changed the needle position, replace it were it was.. There are most
likely 2 screws on the carb. one regulates the point of rest for the slide,
the other one regulates the air/fuel mixture of the pilot circuit. Turn them
both all the way up, turn the mixture screw 1 1/2 times anti-clockwise and
start the engine. It will rev up, turn the idle screw until it runs about
1000 rpm. Let the engine heat up to normal temperature, and turn the mixture
screw either way untill the engine runs evenly and the highest revs. Turn
out the idle screw untill it ticks over just right.
If this doesn't work, unbolt the carburettor from the moped, dismantle and
clean it thoroughly with air pressure and cleaning solvent. After that,
replace it and repeat the procedure above again.
If that doesn't work, you're in trouble...
I presume you have checked for carbon in exhaust and cylinderport, and have
fitted a *new* sparkplug.
You'll fix it...
Cheers,
Hans Hartman
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:34:16 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: david.dauphinee@sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: mopeds
The Mo-Ped is a '55 or '56 (not a '68,I made a mistake)
It is a All State MO-Ped made in Austria.
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:33:21 -0400 (EDT)
To: <199709180226.VAA03182@shell.nothnbut.net> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: Puch
Try a place called Andover Cycle.
andover@aol.com
Michael Liu
On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Moped Mailing List wrote:
> *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:00:00 -0500
> To: Andrei Zaitsev
> Subject: Puch
> > > I have an old Sears Puch which I purchased a few months ago.
> I am in need of the following parts:
> 1. carburettor
> 2. air cleaner housing and filter
> 3. headlamp, lens, reflector
> 4. decompression valve thumb lever
> 5. twist control for throttle with brake lever
> 6. lens(es) for tail lamp
> 7. 2 tires, 2 tubes
> I would like to get an owners manual (or copy of one) especially if it shows
> all the parts.
> > >
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:59:35 -0700
To: agner@erols.com
From: agner@erols.com
Subject: Re: my moped rules
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:19:58 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: PHATone74@aol.com
> Subject: my moped rules
> > I finnaly got my GArelli Supersport xl running.It is so cool.my dad and i
> have a blast riding it on trails.
> The other day my dad got stopped bye cop. he said we need to get it insured
> and registered. Do they inspect mopeds? How much is average insurance? How
> much is registeration? I just paid a fortune on the engine. I dont want to
> have to spend more just to ride it (my dad)...(i'm not street legal yet)
What state are you in? In NJ you don't have to have it inspected.
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:41:47 -0400 (EDT)
To:
Subject: Re: cleaning gas tanks???
At 04:19 PM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>*************************************************
>Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:43:59 -0600 (MDT)
>To: daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu
>Subject: cleaning gas tanks???
> > >hi all
>i was wondering if any of you had any experience cleaning nonremovable gas
>tanks on mopeds. i've cleaned a couple motorcycle tanks with acid and
>bb's, by shaking them around, but i can't imagine a good way to knock
>loose all the rust inside a stationary tank that's part of the frame.
>any suggestions??
>thanks
>luther
>. .
> > ...
> .
>. .
> > > > >Luther,
It took me abt 2 months to get the tank cleaned on my 79 Maxi. The
bike sat from 1990 till spring of 97 in my fathers garage. There was a
layer 1/2 inch deep of oily rust particles.
I started by flushing it out with gasoline. Used 15 gallons. It was
very tedious as the rust came out the petcock opening in clumps, so it was
always stopped up.
Next I used very hot water with some spic and span. Still had
continous clumps. Turned it from side to side. Bounced it up and down on its
suspension. Shook the durn thing as hard as I could. Had a friend help. I
must have run another 15 or 20 gallons through. Followed this with plain
water by hose.
Now I tried using a tecnique I read abt in the Norton News. I mixed
up a solution of molassas and water and let it sit for a month. This is
supposed to allow you just rinse the rust off and leave bare metal. Being
somewhat skeptical I had tried this earlier using a piece of rusty chain in
a jar. It works!
All during this process I was inspecting the inside using a little
tiny light on a stalk and a mirror. Light inserted into petcock opening and
mirror through the fuel filler. I could hardly see anything. However
after the molassas, I could see that the tank was clean except for the very
bottom which I could now see had caked particulate rust in the very bottom.
It was now time to take some serious action! I first went at it with
one of those plumbers snakes. I must have run that thing in and out a
zillion times. snaking hoseing, draining, bouncing, etc. I had gotten a lot
out, but I could see there was still more in the corners.
Ok, so now I'm really frustrated. If I could only reach in there and
go at it with a scraper I'd have it licked. What I did was to go down to
the lumber store and get a piece of the metal banding that they use to band
things to pallets. Approx 3/4 inch wide, it was flexable enough that I could
insert it into the filler opening and yet springy so that it would follow
along the bottom as I scraped it back and forth. So after scraping and
flushing for an hour I blew it dry with compressed air and went to bed. The
few big chunks that were left were sucked out the filler with my shop vac
the next day.
So now an inspection reveals a completely clean tank (I never was
able to see the top or the back of the very bottom) with just a light
surface rust, the thing you'd expect if you left a piece of bare metal out
in the grass over night. I then followed with a kit I bought from Eastwood.
End result- nice clean & sealed tank. Just as a precaution I installed a
fuel filter.
If I had to do it over again I would go at it sooner with the snake
and the scraper. Prob wouldn't have taken me nearly as long. So much rust
came out of that tank, I'm surprised the whole thing didn't collapse. If
you are lucky, you won't have a thick layer in the bottom like I did. Let
me know how it works out.
Greg Kauffman
1968 Z28
1970 Norton Commando "S"
1974 2002Tii
1979 Puch Maxi
1980 Puch Magnum
1988 Suburban the "RIG"
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:46:12 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ASprayberr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Carb?
for that matter, why on any motorcycle? tilting does have an effect but why?
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:59:41 -0700 (PDT)
To: Andrei Zaitsev
Subject: Re: mail order moped.
point your web browser at www.northern-online.com
or call 1-800-533-5545 and ask for a catalog.
Sometimes thier catalogs alternate and don't have a lot of go
kart/minibike stuff. That's where the ped is listed.
You can ask, at the phone # listed above, about item # 59202-C121
on page 125 of the Fall/Winter 1997 master catalog.
-Dave
> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:36:51 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: ASprayberr@aol.com
> Subject: Re: mail order moped.
> > > How do I get one of these catalogs that has this scooter in it? I'd like to
> have one or at least see it. Thanks in advance.
> > >
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:12:44 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: rmh@snip.net
Subject: Just Installed 70cc Kit!!!!
Hello again!! My name Mike.
I just finished installing the 70cc kit I purchased this last
weekend. Great results!! More quickness off the start then you'd
believe, it run like a 80 dirtbike almost. I've been going slow to wear
in the new cylinder but engine just wants to go. With a small twist of
the throttle it takes off easily reaching 35-40 with no problem at all,
and it takes litlle power to reach that. The kit was pretty much bolt-on
with the exception that my Bi-Turbo muffler didn't fit, we had to melt
it and bend it into shape in about 6 different spots. I'm very pleased
with the package and it makes my moped a hell of alot more fun to ride!
Mike Hillegas (rmh@snip.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:43:58 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Sachs moped
-------- reply to ed mckinley
Hi,
I have been looking for some help in getting my sons moped running again.
I had sent some e-mail to someone a
while back but I dont remember who it was.
It is an older Eagle II moped.
It has been running great, I put in new points, plug, condenser to tune it
up.
Now it will not start, I took the carb off blew it out etc, took off the
muffler to see if it was clogged, it
was not, and now it will not start.
It does have a good spark. nothing I do can get this thing to start.
Any ideas, or someone I could contact for help.
Your help is much appreciated..
Thanks
Ed
pardriver@earthlink.com
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:14:22 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Dashaun84@aol.com
Subject: Re: Insurance
I am in desperite need of a moped.So I will trade a sony playststion video
game with all the part and game or pay up to $150 for an ok running moped or
some other sort of motor bike. Please reply ANYONE
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:03:20 -0700
To: agner@erols.com
From: agner@erols.com
Subject: Re: Insurance
bMoped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:00:18 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: MaytagTwin@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Insurance
> > In a message dated 97-09-18 00:25:07 EDT, you write:
> > << ate: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:04:12 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: duckdogs@bright.net
> Subject: Insurance and netiquette
> > > > Folks,
> > I just bought a policy from State Farm for my 79 Puch. I am listed as
> the principal driver vs my 14 yr old son. I can't remember the exact cost
> but it was around $36.00 for a year. The limits are 100/300 liability and
> 50K property damage. I debated a while before getting it even though the
> state of Ohio requires it. I envisioned a freak accident in which we
> emerged unscathed but totaled a busload of Nuns. I feel much better now.
>
> > 1968 Z28
> 1970 Norton Commando "S"
> 1974 2002Tii
> 1979 Puch Maxi
> 1980 Puch Magnum
> 1988 Suburban the "RIG"
> >> > George,
> Thanks for touching on the subject of insurance. I can see the value of it,
> particularly when you consider the low cost for the protection it provides.
> Your scene of the busload of Nuns being "totaled" by actions of your moped
> is sad and I hope never happens. The only positive I can see in such a
> situation is that the Nuns may all have taken vows of poverty and your
> attorney can then declare that, while you may have caused the accident, the
> dollar damage can't be all that high.
> > Ron Carroll
> Nokesville, Virginia
> maytagtwin@aol.com
But what about the medicals?
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:40:56 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Where there's spark, there's fire
-------- reply to John Agner
I've read many requests for help where a ped has spark but won't fire.
When I'm working with garden equipment that's been sitting around, I'll
shoot some starting fluid in the air intake, which often will get it to
start and run a few seconds until it dies. After a few tries, it often
will stay running. Question-- will starting fluid on a 2-stroke hurt
the engine, since there's no oil in the fluid? Do they make 2-stroke
starting fluid? If such a technique were viable, if it fired with the
starting fluid, at least you'd know your problem is fuel getting to the
cylinder. In that case, I'd look for a clogged fuel filter (if one
exists), problems with the carburetor (e.g., float or clogged jets) or
problems with the petcock valve. Oh yes, and I'd look for gas in the
tank. John Agner
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:05:34 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:43:58 -0500
> To: "Mailing List"
> Subject: Fw: Sachs moped
> > -------- reply to ed mckinley
> Hi,
> > I have been looking for some help in getting my sons moped running again.
> I had sent some e-mail to someone a
> while back but I dont remember who it was.
> It is an older Eagle II moped.
> It has been running great, I put in new points, plug, condenser to tune it
> up.
> Now it will not start, I took the carb off blew it out etc, took off the
> muffler to see if it was clogged, it
> was not, and now it will not start.
> It does have a good spark. nothing I do can get this thing to start.
> Any ideas, or someone I could contact for help.
> Your help is much appreciated..
> > Thanks
> Ed
> pardriver@earthlink.com
It may spark, but the timing could be off. Check the notches/markings on
the magneto flywheel vs the stator plate's when the piston is at TDC.
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:19:52 -0400
To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
From: libertybell7@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> *************************************************
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:43:58 -0500
> To: "Mailing List"
> Subject: Fw: Sachs moped
> > -------- reply to ed mckinley
> Hi,
> > I have been looking for some help in getting my sons moped running again.
> I had sent some e-mail to someone a
> while back but I dont remember who it was.
> It is an older Eagle II moped.
> It has been running great, I put in new points, plug, condenser to tune it
> up.
> Now it will not start, I took the carb off blew it out etc, took off the
> muffler to see if it was clogged, it
> was not, and now it will not start.
> It does have a good spark. nothing I do can get this thing to start.
> Any ideas, or someone I could contact for help.
> Your help is much appreciated..
> > Thanks
> Ed
> pardriver@earthlink.com
Hi Ed, I own 2 Eagle 2's. Maybe I can help you out. First question, did
you pay meticulous attention to the fuel/oil ratio? This is so important!
Remove the spark plug and check to see if it is coated with fresh oil. If it
is coated there could be too much oil in the gas, I bought my second eagle
from this very problem. :-). While it is out check for spark. Shoot a
(small) drink of carb cleaner into the intake and see if it ignites, that is
after the plug is replaced. If it does easily this could indicate that the
fuel supply is shut off or restricted. Did you use reliable information while
setting up the new point set? Please let us know how it turns out! Best
wishes and good luck. Mike Burch
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:02:36 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: FLyMr4444@aol.com
Subject: Re: mail order moped.
is it free
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:07:33 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: FLyMr4444@aol.com
Subject: Re: Moped For Sale
i am not sure what type of scooter it is, but it is a 3 1/2 hp briggs and
stra. engine
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:08:14 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: FLyMr4444@aol.com
Subject: Re: mopeds
are you selling the moped, where do you live.
-Anthony
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:16:14 -0400
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: Re: Yamaha Scooter not running
> Subject: RE: Yamaha Scooter not running
> you changed the needle position, replace it were it was..
its amazing how many of my buddies raised the needles in their bing
carbs in an effort to get more speed, thinking: more gas = more power.
never mind that more air is then needed for proper combustion.
all they got tho, was higher fuel consumption and cruddy exhausts (of
course, this was always an excuse to break out the old blowtorch and set
fire to things).
if the needle setting was wrong to begin with and you put it back
together, well, try another notch. i'd set the needle to "lean" and
watch the color of the plug. it reaaly can't hurt.
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:20:24 -0400
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: Re: cleaning gas tanks???
> >Subject: cleaning gas tanks???
> It took me abt 2 months to get the tank cleaned on my 79 Maxi.
> > Greg Kauffman
> > 1968 Z28
> 1970 Norton Commando "S"
> 1974 2002Tii
> 1979 Puch Maxi
> 1980 Puch Magnum
> 1988 Suburban the "RIG"
ya mean ya didn't flush it with a sandblaster??! :D wow, thats a lot of
work. i don't think i could've waited that long to ride my moped.
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:09:15 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Jerky181@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yamaha Scooter not running
Actually I wouldn't describe my moped as a scooter. It's almost a motorbike.
It has a kick starter and can reach 40 mph. The other thing is that the
moped has oil injection. I think, because you put the gas in the tank, but
there is also a little tank for oil. I have looked for an oil adjustment but
didn't find one and the tube the oil comes out of connects directly to the
gas on/off switch along with the gas tube. Lastly when I had it running
before it wouldn't run at all the exaust was very thick and it seemed like
more exast than usual. Is this yet another problem? Thanks for your help!
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:28:47 -0400
To: Andrei Zaitsev
Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped (fwd)
Hi Mike,
Thanks for your speedy reply on my Eagle II moped.
I had put the points in about a month a go so I know they have been installed ok, I even checked them today,
with the piston tdc they were opened the right amount.
I did take out the spark plug, looked ok smells like gas a little coating of oily substance too.
when the plug is out and connected to the spark plug wire and I turn it over it will spark but only for a few
seconds, before the motor stops turning the spark will go away, sometimes it seems it will not spark at all.
I will try your idea on the carb cleaner in the spark plug and try and start it.
Do you also know of any dealers that sell Eagle II parts, chain guards speedometers etc. My local dealer said
it would take about 6-months to order these from Germany..
Someone suggested the markings on the cover to the stator plate. when the piston is tdc the reading is 0 with
the marks. could this be right/wrong.
Thanks for you help, this is driving me crazy trying to get it going.
I sure appreciate your help.
Thanks,
Ed McKinley
pardriver@earthlink.com
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:39:55 -0700
To: agner@erols.com
From: agner@erols.com
Subject: [Fwd: Re: I would like to be in a moped club]
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Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:40:38 -0400
To:
Subject: Re: Just Installed 70cc Kit!!!!
Congratulations, Mike. I hope you'll be available to answer questions when
I get my kit. I've postponed getting the 70cc kit for a while, I need to
get some winter motorcycle clothes, the moped is fun, but the motorcycle is
transportation.
Leon
mrider@illuminet.net
>Subject: Just Installed 70cc Kit!!!!
> I just finished installing the 70cc kit I purchased this last
>weekend. Great results!! More quickness off the start then you'd
>believe, it run like a 80 dirtbike almost. I've been going slow to wear
>in the new cylinder but engine just wants to go. With a small twist of
>the throttle it takes off easily reaching 35-40 with no problem at all,
>and it takes litlle power to reach that. The kit was pretty much bolt-on
>with the exception that my Bi-Turbo muffler didn't fit, we had to melt
>it and bend it into shape in about 6 different spots. I'm very pleased
>with the package and it makes my moped a hell of alot more fun to ride!
> >Mike Hillegas (rmh@snip.net)
> Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073
13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:54:16 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: FcHiCKeN68@aol.com
Subject: Subscrobe Moped
SUBSCRIBE MOPED
thanks
Jason Galli
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:01:15 -0400
To: Andrei Zaitsev
Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped (fwd)
Hi Mike,
I took your advice on the Eagle II moped and drained the gas, put new in, with very little oil. still did not
want to start.
With the plug out and trying to turn over, gas came out of the cylinder head, like it was getting to much.
Before that I took out the plug and it was soaked with gas. I took the carb off blew it out, checked the float
even bent it up a little to see if it was shutting off ok, looks ok too, by hand the gas would not come out
when I pushed the float up, but it all back together again, still would not start. I shut off the gas and kept
trying to start, it acted like it wanted to, but could not. I re-checked the gap in the points, perfect and the
timing marks show 0 at tdc.
I am about to shoot this thing now, I have spent 3-weekends, evenings trying to get it to go..
Any more suggestions.??
Thanks so much for your help
Ed McKinley
pardriver @earthlink.com
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:32:51 -0700
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Tomos Targa Questions...
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:54:18 -0400
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: djb@harvard.edu
> Subject: Tomos Targa Questions...
> > Hi fellow mopedestrians,
> > About a month ago I purchased a 1995 Tomos Targa ("new",
> out of the box) and I have a few questions. I've put
> about 230 km on it so far.
> > 1) I'm planning on getting the bi-turbo exhaust, and am
> considering the 70cc kit as well. My primary goal isn't
> to get tons more speed, but rather acceleration from a
> dead stop. I'm riding around the Cambridge (MA USA, not
> UK) area. If you're familiar with the stereotype of the
> "Boston driver" you'll understand -- people around here
> seem compelled by some unholy force to *aim* at me when
> I'm on a moped. The Boston driver simply *must* be going
> faster than my moped. It doesn't matter if there are six
> cars ahead of me and a red light a block past them, cars
> behind me seem to face an irresistable need to blaze past
> me. So... Will the 70cc kit contribute significantly to
> my ability to accelerate out of the way of these idiots?
> > 2) I'm not a mechanic, but I'm mechanically inclined. I've
> read enough about exhaust port tuning and porting jobs to
> know that I *do not* want to get in that deep. Is the 70cc
> kit something that I might feel comfortable installing myself,
> or is it tricky enough for the non-expert so that I should
> let a mechanic do it? One person has described it to me
> as "very simple" and "bolt off, bolt on" and I've read
> another posting from someone who seemed a little confused.
> Does the kit come with instructions that are suitable for
> a consumer, or is does Tomos intend it to be installed by
> someone who knows the inner secrets of the 2-stoke occult?
> Does it involve disassembling the carb?
> > 3) Now I forget question three.
> > [ d*b ]
> > David Bauman,
> Tomos Pilot
Hey Tomos Pilot:
Understand your situation. My boyfriend purchased a new Tomas this yr.
and we live in Ft. Myers Fl...Hope of the ELDERLY who knock us down out
of the air and keep on going to their Dr's appt. for
prescriptions...What have you found out re: kit...please e-mail me..I'm
interested in the 70CC thing...and a car proof vest or a flight suit....
Tim and Alene
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:23:28 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Moped
-------- reply to TOPOjs@aol.com --------
I have an '81 Tomos Bullet that starts but doesn't stay running. Any
literature out there that might help me get it running right? would
consider
selling also.
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:37:02 -0700
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: cleaning gas tanks??? Kwik Poly
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:20:53 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: MaytagTwin@aol.com
> Subject: Re: cleaning gas tanks??? Kwik Poly
> > In a message dated 97-09-17 20:15:29 EDT, you write:
> > << Subj: cleaning gas tanks???
> Date: 97-09-17 20:15:29 EDT
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev)
> Reply-to: daugava@nothnbut.net
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net (Moped Mailing List)
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:43:59 -0600 (MDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu
> Subject: cleaning gas tanks???
> > > hi all
> i was wondering if any of you had any experience cleaning nonremovable gas
> tanks on mopeds. i've cleaned a couple motorcycle tanks with acid and
> bb's, by shaking them around, but i can't imagine a good way to knock
> loose all the rust inside a stationary tank that's part of the frame.
> any suggestions??
> thanks
> luther
> . . >> > Luther,
> There is a substance called "Kwik Poly" which is a two part mix. You clean
> the tank as best you can but don't worry if you have left rust in it. It
> just needs to be free of fuel and water. Then, you mix the two part Kwik
> Poly and pour it into the tank. Now, here it gets tricky as you have to tilt
> and turn the tank so that the Kwik Poly runs all around the inside of the
> tank. It will, within about five minutes, harden and make a fuel proof
> coating that seals in the rust so it doesn't escape and clog your carb and it
> stops leaks. You shoul have removed your reserve/shutoff valve and screen as
> it will seal the screen, too. Two pint cans (to be mixed together) cost
> about $35 to $40 by mail. If anyone is interested, I will get an email
> address of the seller from who I bought mine and let you contact him
> directly.
> Regards,
> Ron Carroll
> 74 Ciao (beginning restoration, manual on order)
> Nokesville, Virginia USA
> maytagtwin@aol.com
> Ron: interested in the address also my boyfriend Tim wants to know how
he can make his Targo, Tomos LX a 70cc instead of a 49cc..Any
ideas..Please e-mail us...Thanks..
Tim and Alene
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:42:27 -0700
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Just Installed 70cc Kit!!!!
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:12:44 -0400
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: rmh@snip.net
> Subject: Just Installed 70cc Kit!!!!
> > Hello again!! My name Mike.
> > I just finished installing the 70cc kit I purchased this last
> weekend. Great results!! More quickness off the start then you'd
> believe, it run like a 80 dirtbike almost. I've been going slow to wear
> in the new cylinder but engine just wants to go. With a small twist of
> the throttle it takes off easily reaching 35-40 with no problem at all,
> and it takes litlle power to reach that. The kit was pretty much bolt-on
> with the exception that my Bi-Turbo muffler didn't fit, we had to melt
> it and bend it into shape in about 6 different spots. I'm very pleased
> with the package and it makes my moped a hell of alot more fun to ride!
> > Mike Hillegas (rmh@snip.net)
Mike:
What did the 70ccKit cost and where did you get it..We live in Ft.
Myers, Fl. Would appreciate any feedback..I have a Tomos Targa LX and I
also need to know where to purchase hi-performance parts etc..etc... If
you could e-mail me I'd appreciate it...Thanks...
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:11:58 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Where there's spark, there's fire
concerning the use of starter fluid, i've used it on my motor scooter and
have never had problems. you're just using a small amount to get it going,
once the bike starts running on its fuel supply, lubrucation starts. in fact,
i think running on straight gas for a few seconds probably does no harm
either. ive run an engine on carb cleaner for a few seconds while
troubleshooting carb problems with no ill effects.
david.
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:22:57 -0400
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: Where there's spark, there's fire
Question-- will starting fluid on a 2-stroke hurt
the engine, since there's no oil in the fluid?
i've had to start my weedeater with spray starter many a spring. if you
turn the engine over a few times to get everything coated with gas/oil
before using the starter fluid there really shouldn't be a problem, cuz
the engine will start sucking in regular fuel with every revolution.
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:34:53 -0400
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: Re: Yamaha Scooter not running
The other thing is that the
> moped has oil injection. I think, because you put the gas in the tank, but
> there is also a little tank for oil. I have looked for an oil adjustment but
> didn't find one and the tube the oil comes out of connects directly to the
> gas on/off switch along with the gas tube. Lastly when I had it running
> before it wouldn't run at all the exaust was very thick and it seemed like
> more exast than usual. Is this yet another problem? Thanks for your help!
ya know i had a noisy old 2-stroke yamahoolie motorcycle with fuel
injection and was always paranoid about not getting enough oil (NOT a
pretty sight) so i removed the injection and used fuel mix. never had a
prob with it, tho i wouldn't recommend you doing that without knowing
exactly what the ratio should be.
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:34:31 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yamaha Scooter not running
Hmmmm, this sounds like a QT50, which is what i have. there is an oil
injection calibration that has to be done. i can post how to do it if there
is a need to.
david
In a message dated 97-09-22 22:18:56 EDT, you write:
<< Actually I wouldn't describe my moped as a scooter. It's almost a
motorbike.
It has a kick starter and can reach 40 mph. The other thing is that the
moped has oil injection. I think, because you put the gas in the tank, but
there is also a little tank for oil. I have looked for an oil adjustment
but
didn't find one and the tube the oil comes out of connects directly to the
gas on/off switch along with the gas tube. Lastly when I had it running
before it wouldn't run at all the exaust was very thick and it seemed like
more exast than usual. Is this yet another problem? Thanks for your help!
>>
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:46:16 -0400
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: Re Sachs moped
> Any more suggestions.??
> Thanks so much for your help
> Ed McKinley
> pardriver @earthlink.com
hm, could be very fooded by now.
before you shoot it you might wanna try this: provided this thing isn't
an automatic (don't know much about them) i'd take it to the top of a
long hill put it in gear and let it roll (course you're RIDING IT) down
with little or no throttle movement. either it runs at the bottom or ya
got a vehicle waiting to throw it in. then fire away.
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:11:27 -0400
To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
From: libertybell7@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped (fwd)
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:01:15 -0400
> To: Andrei Zaitsev
> Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped (fwd)
> > Hi Mike,
> > I took your advice on the Eagle II moped and drained the gas, put new in, with very little oil. still did not
> want to start.
> With the plug out and trying to turn over, gas came out of the cylinder head, like it was getting to much.
> Before that I took out the plug and it was soaked with gas. I took the carb off blew it out, checked the float
> even bent it up a little to see if it was shutting off ok, looks ok too, by hand the gas would not come out
> when I pushed the float up, but it all back together again, still would not start. I shut off the gas and kept
> trying to start, it acted like it wanted to, but could not. I re-checked the gap in the points, perfect and the
> timing marks show 0 at tdc.
> I am about to shoot this thing now, I have spent 3-weekends, evenings trying to get it to go..
> Any more suggestions.??
> Thanks so much for your help
> Ed McKinley
> pardriver @earthlink.com
Ok, so the fuel is apparently present, Lets check for spark next. Try removing the spark plug and attaching
the threaded part to the chassis via jumper wire so that the gap is visible to you. Turn down the lights a bit and
crank the engine. Be sure the engine kill switch is in the run position of course. :-). You should see a spark
jumping the gap. The sach's engine requires a 1:50 oil/gas ratio. 2.6 oz oil to 1 U.S. gal of gasoline. Use a
precision measuring cup for this job. This mixture ratio is so important! I think that you should clean the plug
with carb cleaner or replace it and mix your fuel to the correct spec's. Fuel the tank partially. Then this can
be eliminated as a problem point.
If the plug appears wet when you remove it there may be to much oil in the gas and that can quench the spark. Try
this. If still no success then we can check the point gap and the point set quality. Try not to get to angry at
it and never surrender. You will learn so much about it along the way as it is a work of art in engineering and
thought. I will help you as much as I possibly can. Talk with you later.. Mike.
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:20:41 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Jumpman730@aol.com
Subject: Looking for a moped
I am looking for a good moped between the price range of 150-300$$ it has to
be in good condition and running please send info i live in the detroit area
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:48:38 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped (fwd)
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:01:15 -0400
> To: Andrei Zaitsev
> Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped (fwd)
> > Hi Mike,
> > I took your advice on the Eagle II moped and drained the gas, put new in, with very little oil. still did not
> want to start.
> With the plug out and trying to turn over, gas came out of the cylinder head, like it was getting to much.
> Before that I took out the plug and it was soaked with gas. I took the carb off blew it out, checked the float
> even bent it up a little to see if it was shutting off ok, looks ok too, by hand the gas would not come out
> when I pushed the float up, but it all back together again, still would not start. I shut off the gas and kept
> trying to start, it acted like it wanted to, but could not. I re-checked the gap in the points, perfect and the
> timing marks show 0 at tdc.
> I am about to shoot this thing now, I have spent 3-weekends, evenings trying to get it to go..
> Any more suggestions.??
> Thanks so much for your help
> Ed McKinley
> pardriver @earthlink.com
I'm not Mike, but here's something: depending on the type of magneto you
have, the timing marking could be TDC propermeaning that you have to
turn it back a bit to give it the required advance. Maybe it is not
happening and this is why the thing wouldn't fire. The other: there
could be loads of gunk in the exhaust port/pipe. Have you chiselled
those out?
Paul
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:57:32 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: djb@harvard.edu
Subject: What's that screw?
Hey,
On a 1995 Tomos Targa LX, there is an adjustor on
the carb just to the right of the choke lever. It's
hex headed, with a slot for a flat-head screwdriver.
Can anyone tell me if this trims fuel, air, or oil?
Thanks.
David B.
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:02:24 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: FLyMr4444@aol.com
Subject: Re: Moped For Sale
where do you live and how much do you want for it.
Thanks,
Anthony
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:11:38 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Jerky181@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yamaha Scooter not running
David, could you please post how I can calibrate my carb and/or oil
injection. Thanks a bunch!
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:07:19 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: MaytagTwin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Insurance
In a message dated 97-09-23 04:50:41 EDT, you write:
<<
But what about the medicals?
>> Healing through prayer.
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: TOPOjs@aol.com
Subject: List
Want to be on list. Thanks
I have '81 Tomos Bullet. Starts but doesn't go too well. Info? Manual
available?
Help? Also hace '78 Concord. Never seen another one. Who made it? Who sold
it? Any literature on that?
Thanks again.
Jeff
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:37:16 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Gokartridr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Insurance
a ok running moped for $150?!!!
you can hardly get a tuneup up for that!!!!
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:39:59 -0700
To: agner@erols.com
From: agner@erols.com
Subject: Electric Power Assist
I was looking at the raleigh web page (as I've been looking at some mtn.
bikes) and raleigh has an electric assist bike on the market in England
at 1000 pounds. (Is the conversion rate still about 1.65/pound?) So
for those interested, go to www.raleigh.com, and read on. John Agner
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:30:21 -0400
To: igor.gros@uni-mb.si
From: igor.gros@uni-mb.si
Subject: Re: Where there's spark, there's fire
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:22:57 -0400
> To: chrislo@cfw.com
> From: chrislo@cfw.com
> Subject: Where there's spark, there's fire
> > Question-- will starting fluid on a 2-stroke hurt
> the engine, since there's no oil in the fluid?
> i've had to start my weedeater with spray starter many a spring. if
> you
> turn the engine over a few times to get everything coated with gas/oil
> > before using the starter fluid there really shouldn't be a problem,
> cuz
> the engine will start sucking in regular fuel with every revolution.
Try with WD-40 : it`s the best ,even it is not the regular start fludid.
(Slovenia is on the sunny side of Alps, vhere the TOMOS mopeds are
produced.)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:55:16 -0400 (EDT)
To: Andrei Zaitsev
Subject: Idle mixture screw
I have a Honda PC50 (4-stroke) that I am restoring. I haven't had any
luck finding a repair manual for it, so most of the stuff I've been doing
is just guesswork. It's running fine, but it won't idle or run very well
at low rpm (unless the choke is on - then it runs fine at low rpm). There
are two screws on the carburetor. One in the centre and one just to the
lower left of it.
My first question: What are these two screws for? I suspect the lower
one is for the idle mixture. Unfortunately, I can't play around with it
because it's missing (probably the reason it doesn't idle well). I got a
new screw yesterday but I haven't tried it out yet to see if it will fit.
It doesn't look like it will. :(
My second quesition: Does anyone else out there own a PC50? I'm not sure
what year mine is, but I suspect it's somewhere around 1977. I'd love to
compare notes so I could figure out what the heck I'm doing.
I'm going to start the process of insuring and licensing the thing so
I can drive it around without fear of the police. It's a bit hard to
drive it now anyway 'cause I have to hold the throttle open every time I
stop.
-Mike
___________________________________________________________
Michael Anttila aka PsychoMan of Craw Productions
3A Pure Math / Computer Science at U. of Waterloo, Canada
E-Mail: manttila@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
Homepage: http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~manttila/
Craw Productions: craw@magi.com, http://www.magi.com/~craw/
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:45:58 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: Fw: Where there's spark, there's fire
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: dinsdag 23 september 1997 4:46
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:11:58 -0400 (EDT)
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com
| Subject: Re: Fw: Where there's spark, there's fire
|
|
| concerning the use of starter fluid, i've used it on my motor scooter and
| have never had problems. you're just using a small amount to get it
going,
| once the bike starts running on its fuel supply, lubrucation starts. in
fact,
| i think running on straight gas for a few seconds probably does no harm
| either. ive run an engine on carb cleaner for a few seconds while
| troubleshooting carb problems with no ill effects.
|
| david.
|
|
No problemo, padre
i once filled her up with pure gas, and only remembered 40 Km later that i
forgot to put the mix-oil in, no harm done, but i didn't take her to the
limit that time. (otherwise it would have remembered me the hard way) , Yes
there was not much old mix in the tank before filling her up. :-) (maybe
enough...)
Peter.
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:44:43 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ASprayberr@aol.com
Subject: Re: cleaning gas tanks???
Here is what I have done. If you have a pressure washer that has a heat
setting, do this.
Get a Kreem tank prep kit, put the crap in that eats up the rust. If there
is any left after emptying it ( rust) pressure wash it out. It works, just
take the part b solution after washing it out and then fill it with gas and
KEEP IT FULL!
it does work, used it on a 750 gas tank. No probs since. It had an old Kreem
tank coat in it I had to get out. never have coated it since.
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:44:44 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ASprayberr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Where there's spark, there's fire
No there will be no problem in starting it with starter fluid. Remember, heat
destroys 2 strokes. If it is cool, there is no heat. It will be ok. Like the
other man said, if it starts running on it's own fuel, there will be lube in
it.
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:22:05 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ASprayberr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped (fwd)
Don't give up first of all :-)
I spent 2 months on a kawasaki KZ750 and still haven't gotten all the bugs
worked out. Trust me, I fix up older scoots, mopeds and bikes for a hobby.
It will be all worth it when it is all over with. Look at it this way, when
you get the moped straightened out you will know a LOT about it, that may not
seem important now, but in the future it will come in handy.
I am not familiar with your sach, but let me give you some things to check
for.
First, is the spark plug correct for this bike? Trust me, if it isn't it
can make you think something else is wrong when it isn't.
Look at your carbs. Does it have pilot jet screws? They may be turned out
too far. If it does, turn them in, or it if it is a single carb, all the way
in and give it half turn increments out untill it runs satisfactory.
NOW. Liek I said I am not familiar with your carb or moped/bike/scoot. Tell
em about the carb, type, size if known and how the left and right sides look,
you know, screws, things that look like they can be adjusted.
Don't get discouraged. It IS something simple and can be fixed with patience
and thought.
Problem: simple, flooding.
Soulution, adjust carb to reduce fuel flow. Take your time. Carbs can be a
pain, and believe me, I know.
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:18:38 PDT
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: britton14@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Moped For Sale
Where do you live, and how much is the moped? reply to
britton14@hotmail.com
>From daugava@nothnbut.net Mon Sep 22 19:13:16 1997
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>From: Andrei Zaitsev
>Subject: Re: Moped For Sale
>To: "Moped Mailing List"
>Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:07:33 -0400 (EDT)
>To: daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: FLyMr4444@aol.com
>Subject: Re: Moped For Sale
> > >i am not sure what type of scooter it is, but it is a 3 1/2 hp briggs
and
>stra. engine
> > >
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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:22:09 -0700
To: agner@erols.com
From: agner@erols.com
Subject: Re: Electric Power Assist
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > > I was looking at the raleigh web page (as I've been looking at some mtn.
> > bikes) and raleigh has an electric assist bike on the market in England
> > at 1000 pounds. (Is the conversion rate still about 1.65/pound?) So
> > for those interested, go to www.raleigh.com, and read on. John Agner
> Could you confirm the URL ?
> I went there and got page of some domain reseller.
> > Andrew
Sorry. It's www.raleighbikes.com John
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:39:10 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Montgomery Wards Moped Parts
I need to find out who manufactured a Moped sold under the Montgomery Ward
name around 1979 or 1980.
respond to jjjrigling@worldnet.att.net
Thanks
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:52:05 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Derbi
-------- reply to Clarke "The Mac" Mauldin
Who can I get in contact with to buy a new Derbi (Or any info.). I Don't
want a used one.
Thanks,
Clarke
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:24:46 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped (fwd)
if your carb has screws on it, and you're not sure what they do, i'd turn
them all in, but not too tight, and then unscrew precisely 1.5 turns. that
will usually be a good starting point to make adjustments.
david
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:43:44 -0700
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: What's that screw?
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:57:32 -0400
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: djb@harvard.edu
> Subject: What's that screw?
> > Hey,
> > On a 1995 Tomos Targa LX, there is an adjustor on
> the carb just to the right of the choke lever. It's
> hex headed, with a slot for a flat-head screwdriver.
> > Can anyone tell me if this trims fuel, air, or oil?
> > Thanks.
> David B.
Hey David:
My boyfriend, Tim says it's for adjusting the idle, revolutions per
minute (rmp)....He has a 96 Tomos LX....
Take care..
Alene & Tim
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:45:32 -0700
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: List
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: TOPOjs@aol.com
> Subject: List
> > Want to be on list. Thanks
> > I have '81 Tomos Bullet. Starts but doesn't go too well. Info? Manual
> available?
> Help? Also hace '78 Concord. Never seen another one. Who made it? Who sold
> it? Any literature on that?
> > Thanks again.
> > Jeff
Hey Jeff:
My boyfriend Tim wants to know "a concord" what??
take care...
tim and alene
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:47:48 -0700
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Idle mixture screw
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:55:16 -0400 (EDT)
> To: Andrei Zaitsev
> Subject: Idle mixture screw
> > I have a Honda PC50 (4-stroke) that I am restoring. I haven't had any
> luck finding a repair manual for it, so most of the stuff I've been doing
> is just guesswork. It's running fine, but it won't idle or run very well
> at low rpm (unless the choke is on - then it runs fine at low rpm). There
> are two screws on the carburetor. One in the centre and one just to the
> lower left of it.
> > My first question: What are these two screws for? I suspect the lower
> one is for the idle mixture. Unfortunately, I can't play around with it
> because it's missing (probably the reason it doesn't idle well). I got a
> new screw yesterday but I haven't tried it out yet to see if it will fit.
> It doesn't look like it will. :(
> > My second quesition: Does anyone else out there own a PC50? I'm not sure
> what year mine is, but I suspect it's somewhere around 1977. I'd love to
> compare notes so I could figure out what the heck I'm doing.
> > I'm going to start the process of insuring and licensing the thing so
> I can drive it around without fear of the police. It's a bit hard to
> drive it now anyway 'cause I have to hold the throttle open every time I
> stop.
> > -Mike
> ___________________________________________________________
> Michael Anttila aka PsychoMan of Craw Productions
> 3A Pure Math / Computer Science at U. of Waterloo, Canada
> E-Mail: manttila@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
> Homepage: http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~manttila/
> Craw Productions: craw@magi.com, http://www.magi.com/~craw/
Keep Working, Mike& Good Luck..
Tim and Alene from F. Myers. Fl.
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:01:38 -0400
To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
From: libertybell7@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped (fwd)
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:48:38 -0400
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: paltron@interlog.com
> Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped (fwd)
> > Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > > > *************************************************
> > Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:01:15 -0400
> > To: Andrei Zaitsev
> > Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped (fwd)
> > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > I took your advice on the Eagle II moped and drained the gas, put new in, with very little oil. still did not
> > want to start.
> > With the plug out and trying to turn over, gas came out of the cylinder head, like it was getting to much.
> > Before that I took out the plug and it was soaked with gas. I took the carb off blew it out, checked the float
> > even bent it up a little to see if it was shutting off ok, looks ok too, by hand the gas would not come out
> > when I pushed the float up, but it all back together again, still would not start. I shut off the gas and kept
> > trying to start, it acted like it wanted to, but could not. I re-checked the gap in the points, perfect and the
> > timing marks show 0 at tdc.
> > I am about to shoot this thing now, I have spent 3-weekends, evenings trying to get it to go..
> > Any more suggestions.??
> > Thanks so much for your help
> > Ed McKinley
> > pardriver @earthlink.com
> I'm not Mike, but here's something: depending on the type of magneto you
> have, the timing marking could be TDC propermeaning that you have to
> turn it back a bit to give it the required advance. Maybe it is not
> happening and this is why the thing wouldn't fire. The other: there
> could be loads of gunk in the exhaust port/pipe. Have you chiselled
> those out?
> Paul
Excellent suggestion Paul! The exhaust could be plugged... Good thinking!
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:23:49 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: WHIZZER
---------- reply to lmeadows@gte.net -------
I have recently pulled out of a 35 year storage, a 1949 Whizzer that i
drove for 5 years (JR. & SR. yr. high school = 3 yrs.). I have been
looking for a cruiser frame with a springer fork that i can afford. I
work as a contract engineer for a company that designs electric vehicles
and i have built an electric bicycle proto-type which is being mfg. in
China to sell for under 1000$US. The Whizzer parts people are still
selling parts but there prices are awfully high...
Thanks
Larry Meadows
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:08:31 -0400
To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
From: libertybell7@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped (fwd)
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> *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:11:27 -0400
> To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
> From: libertybell7@earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped (fwd)
> > Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > > *************************************************
> > Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:01:15 -0400
> > To: Andrei Zaitsev
> > Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped (fwd)
> > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > I took your advice on the Eagle II moped and drained the gas, put new in, with very little oil. still did not
> > want to start.
> > With the plug out and trying to turn over, gas came out of the cylinder head, like it was getting to much.
> > Before that I took out the plug and it was soaked with gas. I took the carb off blew it out, checked the float
> > even bent it up a little to see if it was shutting off ok, looks ok too, by hand the gas would not come out
> > when I pushed the float up, but it all back together again, still would not start. I shut off the gas and kept
> > trying to start, it acted like it wanted to, but could not. I re-checked the gap in the points, perfect and the
> > timing marks show 0 at tdc.
> > I am about to shoot this thing now, I have spent 3-weekends, evenings trying to get it to go..
> > Any more suggestions.??
> > Thanks so much for your help
> > Ed McKinley
> > pardriver @earthlink.com
> > Ok, so the fuel is apparently present, Lets check for spark next. Try removing the spark plug and attaching
> the threaded part to the chassis via jumper wire so that the gap is visible to you. Turn down the lights a bit and
> crank the engine. Be sure the engine kill switch is in the run position of course. :-). You should see a spark
> jumping the gap. The sach's engine requires a 1:50 oil/gas ratio. 2.6 oz oil to 1 U.S. gal of gasoline. Use a
> precision measuring cup for this job. This mixture ratio is so important! I think that you should clean the plug
> with carb cleaner or replace it and mix your fuel to the correct spec's. Fuel the tank partially. Then this can
> be eliminated as a problem point.
> If the plug appears wet when you remove it there may be to much oil in the gas and that can quench the spark. Try
> this. If still no success then we can check the point gap and the point set quality. Try not to get to angry at
> it and never surrender. You will learn so much about it along the way as it is a work of art in engineering and
> thought. I will help you as much as I possibly can. Talk with you later.. Mike.
Hi Ed, Try to hang in there! :-). Have you tried a new spark plug yet? or cleaned the old one with carb cleaner?
Have you adjusted the fuel/oil to spec's? The wet spark plug is a clue I think. The wetness may not be fuel but oil.
If you think that the carb is flooding try shutting it off (fuel supply) completely and then try using a small sip of
carb cleaner or starting fluid in place of it after the known fuel has been flushed or evaporated from the carb.
When you push the carb vent does it spill fuel then stop leaking ok? Have you had any ignition at all yet?
Sputtering?? Have you inspected the points for contact cleanliness? If they need cleaning use a small metal file
rather than sandpaper or silicon emery board. Well that is it for now and don't surrender!! :-). We will just have
to keep hammering on it until it runs like a champ and it will eventually.
Best wishes.. Mike Burch
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:11:27 -0400
To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
From: libertybell7@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped (fwd)
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:01:15 -0400
> To: Andrei Zaitsev <daugava@shell.nothnbut.net>
> From: pardriver@earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: Fw: Sachs moped (fwd)
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I took your advice on the Eagle II moped and drained the gas, put
new in, with very little oil. still did not
> want to start.
> With the plug out and trying to turn over, gas came out of the cylinder
head, like it was getting to much.
> Before that I took out the plug and it was soaked with gas. I took
the carb off blew it out, checked the float
> even bent it up a little to see if it was shutting off ok, looks
ok too, by hand the gas would not come out
> when I pushed the float up, but it all back together again, still
would not start. I shut off the gas and kept
> trying to start, it acted like it wanted to, but could not. I re-checked
the gap in the points, perfect and the
> timing marks show 0 at tdc.
> I am about to shoot this thing now, I have spent 3-weekends, evenings
trying to get it to go..
> Any more suggestions.??
> Thanks so much for your help
> Ed McKinley
> pardriver @earthlink.com
Ok, so the fuel is apparently present, Lets check
for spark next. Try removing the spark plug and attaching
the threaded part to the chassis via jumper wire so that the gap is
visible to you. Turn down the lights a bit and
crank the engine. Be sure the engine kill switch is in the run position
of course. :-). You should see a spark
jumping the gap. The sach's engine requires a 1:50 oil/gas ratio. 2.6 oz oil to 1 U.S. gal of gasoline. Use a
precision measuring cup for this job. This mixture ratio is so important! I think that you should clean the plug
with carb cleaner or replace it and mix your fuel to the correct spec's. Fuel the tank partially. Then this can
be eliminated as a problem point.
If the plug appears wet when you remove it there may be to much oil
in the gas and that can quench the spark. Try
this. If still no success then we can check the point gap and
the point set quality. Try not to get to angry at
it and never surrender. You will learn so much about it along
the way as it is a work of art in engineering and
thought. I will help you as much as I possibly can. Talk
with you later.. Mike.
a new spark plug yet? or cleaned the old one with carb cleaner? Have you adjusted the fuel/oil to spec's? The wet spark plug is a
clue I think. The wetness may not be fuel but oil. If you think
that the carb is flooding try shutting it off (fuel supply) completely
and then try using a small sip of carb cleaner or starting fluid
in place of it after the known fuel has been flushed or evaporated from
the carb. When you push the carb vent does it spill fuel
then stop leaking ok? Have you had any ignition at all
yet? Sputtering?? Have you inspected the points for contact cleanliness? If they need cleaning use a small metal file rather than sandpaper or silicon
emery board. Well that is it for now and don't surrender!!
:-). We will just have to keep hammering on it until it runs like
a champ and it will eventually.
Best wishes.. Mike Burch
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:53:52 -0400
To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
From: libertybell7@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Fw: WHIZZER
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> *************************************************
> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:23:49 -0500
> To: "Mailing List"
> Subject: Fw: WHIZZER
> > ---------- reply to lmeadows@gte.net -------
> > I have recently pulled out of a 35 year storage, a 1949 Whizzer that i
> drove for 5 years (JR. & SR. yr. high school = 3 yrs.). I have been
> looking for a cruiser frame with a springer fork that i can afford. I
> work as a contract engineer for a company that designs electric vehicles
> and i have built an electric bicycle proto-type which is being mfg. in
> China to sell for under 1000$US. The Whizzer parts people are still
> selling parts but there prices are awfully high...
> > Thanks
> Larry Meadows
Hi Larry, If you ever consider parting company with the whizzer could
you please let me know? Thanks.. Mike Burch
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:59:15 -0400
To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
From: libertybell7@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Electric Power Assist
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:39:59 -0700
> To: agner@erols.com
> From: agner@erols.com
> Subject: Electric Power Assist
> > I was looking at the raleigh web page (as I've been looking at some mtn.
> bikes) and raleigh has an electric assist bike on the market in England
> at 1000 pounds. (Is the conversion rate still about 1.65/pound?) So
> for those interested, go to www.raleigh.com, and read on. John Agner
Hi,
Have you checked out the "ZAP" website yet? they manufacture electric power
assist units for bicycles.. It can even charge the batteries by engaging the
motor while pedaling.
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:03:13 -0700
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: gte/davelind@gte.net
Subject: Re: Fw: Montgomery Wards Moped Parts
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:39:10 -0500
> To: "Mailing List"
> Subject: Fw: Montgomery Wards Moped Parts
> > I need to find out who manufactured a Moped sold under the Montgomery Ward
> name around 1979 or 1980.
> > respond to jjjrigling@worldnet.att.net
> > Thanks
Look at the front of the steering tube there should be a plate or metal
sticker. I have a monkey ward ped from 1980. the monkey ward label is at
the top of the seatpost tube. But the lable on the steering tube says
COLUMBIA BYCICLES APRIL 1980.
If your ped uses a sachs engine with a variable pitch v-belt pulley on
the left side, and the v-belt goes to a large plastic pulley/sprocket
assy. then I would say your ped was made by columbia.
Parts are tricky many of them are off the shelf available from either a
hardware store or bike shop.
Some parts and hardware are metric some are standard.
I have been able to either fabricate parts myself or have them machined
to my specs. My specs. were derived from carfull measurment of the old
part or if missing measurment of the space or parts it should have been
in.
I'm still doing a lot of trial and error but it is running.
Some parts are very similar to parts on euro.peds like the Tomas.
I'f you have any specific ?'s E-me maby I can help.
Dave Lindstrom E-MAIL davelind@gte.net
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:49:32 -0600 (MDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu
Subject: columbia parts?
hi again
a friend of mine just picked up a columbia moped with
a sachs motor for $150 at a garage sale. he wants to
trick it out a bit, so i was wondering if any body sold
parts for this particular bike, and particularly if there
is a 70cc kit available for it.
thanks
luther
* *
***
*
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lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:57:27 -0700 (PDT)
To: Andrei Zaitsev
Subject: Re: Fw: WHIZZER
RE: the cruiser frame and springer forks for your whizzer:
A cheap cruiser frame shouldn't be hard to find.
Our local bike shop has springer forks for less than $50. The owner says
that he sells quite a few because of the low-rider bicycle craze.
-Dave
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:55:59 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: What's that screw?
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:57:32 -0400
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: djb@harvard.edu
> Subject: What's that screw?
> > Hey,
> > On a 1995 Tomos Targa LX, there is an adjustor on
> the carb just to the right of the choke lever. It's
> hex headed, with a slot for a flat-head screwdriver.
> > Can anyone tell me if this trims fuel, air, or oil?
> > Thanks.
> David B.
Idling adjuster.
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:29:39 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: What's that screw?
In a message dated 97-09-26 21:09:13 EDT, you write:
<< Hey,
On a 1995 Tomos Targa LX, there is an adjustor on
the carb just to the right of the choke lever. It's
hex headed, with a slot for a flat-head screwdriver.
Can anyone tell me if this trims fuel, air, or oil?
Thanks. >> Dave, it is the idle circuit mixture screw. It has no effect at high engine
speeds, but is adjusted inproperly, the 'ped either won't idle (too lean), or
the engine will idle too high and burn out the clutch if stopped at a light
for too long (too rich). Turning the screw to the right richens the idle
mixture, turning it to the left leans the mixture. It should be listed in
the manual. Also, as the saying goes, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
don't fiddle with it if the 'ped idles fine as it is.
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:20:51 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: MaytagTwin@aol.com
Subject: Re: cleaning gas tanks??? Kwik Poly
In a message dated 97-09-26 21:15:17 EDT, you write:
<< Subj: Re: cleaning gas tanks??? Kwik Poly
Date: 97-09-26 21:15:17 EDT
From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev)
Reply-to: daugava@nothnbut.net
To: daugava@nothnbut.net (Moped Mailing List)
*************************************************
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:37:02 -0700
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: cleaning gas tanks??? Kwik Poly
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:20:53 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: MaytagTwin@aol.com
> Subject: Re: cleaning gas tanks??? Kwik Poly
> > In a message dated 97-09-17 20:15:29 EDT, you write:
> > << Subj: cleaning gas tanks???
> Date: 97-09-17 20:15:29 EDT
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev)
> Reply-to: daugava@nothnbut.net
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net (Moped Mailing List)
> > *************************************************
> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:43:59 -0600 (MDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu
> Subject: cleaning gas tanks???
> > > hi all
> i was wondering if any of you had any experience cleaning nonremovable
gas
> tanks on mopeds. i've cleaned a couple motorcycle tanks with acid and
> bb's, by shaking them around, but i can't imagine a good way to knock
> loose all the rust inside a stationary tank that's part of the frame.
> any suggestions??
> thanks
> luther
> . . >> > Luther,
> There is a substance called "Kwik Poly" which is a two part mix. You
clean
> the tank as best you can but don't worry if you have left rust in it. It
> just needs to be free of fuel and water. Then, you mix the two part Kwik
> Poly and pour it into the tank. Now, here it gets tricky as you have to
tilt
> and turn the tank so that the Kwik Poly runs all around the inside of the
> tank. It will, within about five minutes, harden and make a fuel proof
> coating that seals in the rust so it doesn't escape and clog your carb and
it
> stops leaks. You shoul have removed your reserve/shutoff valve and screen
as
> it will seal the screen, too. Two pint cans (to be mixed together) cost
> about $35 to $40 by mail. If anyone is interested, I will get an email
> address of the seller from who I bought mine and let you contact him
> directly.
> Regards,
> Ron Carroll
> 74 Ciao (beginning restoration, manual on order)
> Nokesville, Virginia USA
> maytagtwin@aol.com
> Ron: interested in the address also my boyfriend Tim wants to know how
he can make his Targo, Tomos LX a 70cc instead of a 49cc..Any
ideas..Please e-mail us...Thanks..
Tim and Alene
>> Tim and Alene,
My source of Kwik Poly is:
Joe Kelley
Kelley's Elderly Engines
25 Wessnette Drive
Hampden, ME 04444
(207) 862-2074
It will seal leaky and rust gas tanks. You should remove the fuel outlet and
protect the threaded area so that the sealer doesn't fill the threads or fill
your screen and your reserve system.
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, VA
maytagtwin@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:06:16 +0200
To:
Subject: Re: Idle mixture screw
Hello Mike,
At 19:52 26-09-97 -0500, you wrote:
>From: manttila@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
>Subject: Idle mixture screw
> >I have a Honda PC50 (4-stroke) that I am restoring. I haven't had any
>luck finding a repair manual for it, so most of the stuff I've been doing
There is a good workshop manual available from Haynes,
ISBN number is 0 85696 317 8
Publisher:
Haynes Publications, Inc
861 Lawrence Drive
Newbury Park
California 91320 USA
>is just guesswork. It's running fine, but it won't idle or run very well
>at low rpm (unless the choke is on - then it runs fine at low rpm). There
>are two screws on the carburetor. One in the centre and one just to the
>lower left of it.
The one in the centre is the idle adjuster, the other one is the pilot air
screw.
> >My first question: What are these two screws for? I suspect the lower
>one is for the idle mixture. Unfortunately, I can't play around with it
>because it's missing (probably the reason it doesn't idle well). I got a
For sure....
>new screw yesterday but I haven't tried it out yet to see if it will fit.
>It doesn't look like it will. :(
I've got one that 'll fit for sure on the European model, maybe yours has
another carb. though. What is the type number on the carb?
>My second quesition: Does anyone else out there own a PC50? I'm not sure
>what year mine is, but I suspect it's somewhere around 1977. I'd love to
>compare notes so I could figure out what the heck I'm doing.
Well, I used to own one, I still have got a PF50, that's the newer version
with 17 inch wheels. The frame is completely different, but the engine is
still the same.
Further more, I own 2 C50's (three speed OHC), one C310S (three speed
handshift OHV) one CB50J (OHC four speed) and some other Honda mopeds and
motorcycles.
Your PC was made from 1968 to 1977. If your PC has an overhead camshaft,
it's an early one.
I consider myself a bit of an expert on Honda four-strokes, so if you got
some questions, fire away...
Cheers,
Hans Hartman
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:35:18 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: MaytagTwin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Electric Power Assist, on sale today
In a message dated 97-09-26 21:16:03 EDT, you write:
<< Subj: Re: Electric Power Assist
Date: 97-09-26 21:16:03 EDT
From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev)
Reply-to: daugava@nothnbut.net
To: daugava@nothnbut.net (Moped Mailing List)
*************************************************
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:22:09 -0700
To: agner@erols.com
From: agner@erols.com
Subject: Re: Electric Power Assist
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > > I was looking at the raleigh web page (as I've been looking at some mtn.
> > bikes) and raleigh has an electric assist bike on the market in England
> > at 1000 pounds. (Is the conversion rate still about 1.65/pound?) So
> > for those interested, go to www.raleigh.com, and read on. John Agner
> Could you confirm the URL ?
> I went there and got page of some domain reseller.
> > Andrew
Sorry. It's www.raleighbikes.com John
>> Gentlemen,
Today's Washington Post has an ad for electric bicycles at US$499, Retails up
to US$1,899. Speeds up to 20 mph, Range of 18 mpg (sic) ASC has been the
exclusive dealer for the EV Warrior electric bicycle, the mountain bike
capable of speed up to 20 mph. Bikers and bike shopw are welcom for the
close-out sale. Event ends 9/30/97. Ask for Jim Grant or David Ergisi,
American Service Center/Isuzu, 525 N. Glebe Rd., Arlington, Virginia
703-284-2400, Open this Sunday 12-5.
I don't have any connection with this dealer. I just saw your post and then,
while reading the paper, saw this ad. By the way, American Service Center
is, primarily, a Mercedes-Benz auto dealer. It appears to me, judging from
the ad, they are dropping their dealership.
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia USA
maytagtwin@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:30:27 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: ANDOVER@aol.com
Subject: Moped Performance Parts - Andover Cycles is your Source!
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:57:47 -0400 (EDT)
To: Daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Barman3565@aol.com
Subject: Tomos Targa Lx 1996/Oil pump broke?
I just bought a brand new 1996 Tomos Targa LX. I can't tell if the oil pump
is working. I have put about 160 miles on the ped so far but it looks like
the oil in the oil box under my seat isn't going down. About how many miles
can this moped go before I would notice the oil going down?
If the oil pump is not working, do you think I have already caused damage to
the ped?
Tom
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 01:36:27 -0400 (EDT)
To: david.dauphinee@sympatico.ca
From: duckdogs@bright.net
Subject: 55 or 56 moped
David,
Do you have one of these things?
>The Mo-Ped is a '55 or '56 (not a '68,I made a mistake)
>It is a All State MO-Ped made in Austria.
> > > > I almost bought a 57 at the vintage motorcycle races and swap meet this
summer at Mid Ohio. It was complete and just needed new paint and a clean
up to look nice. I wasn't able to start it so I passed on it. I've been
kinda regreting it. Does yours (assuming you have one) run? Tell me more
about it.
Greg Kauffman
1968 Z28
1970 Norton Commando "S"
1974 2002Tii
1979 Puch Maxi
1980 Puch Magnum II
1988 Suburban the "RIG"
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:37:00 -0500
To: Andrei Zaitsev
Subject: Re: Idle mixture screw
Mike,
The carb screw that's missing is probably the idle speed adjustment screw. It usually pusshes
against the trottle linkage that keeps the throttle from closing all the way at idle. The fact
that it's missing might explain why the engine doesn't like to idle. Keep looking for a screw to
replace it with.....good luck,
Chuck
--- On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:47:48 -0700 Andrei Zaitsev
> *************************************************
> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:47:48 -0700
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
> Subject: Re: Idle mixture screw
> > > Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > > > *************************************************
> > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:55:16 -0400 (EDT)
> > To: Andrei Zaitsev
> > Subject: Idle mixture screw
> > > > I have a Honda PC50 (4-stroke) that I am restoring. I haven't had any
> > luck finding a repair manual for it, so most of the stuff I've been doing
> > is just guesswork. It's running fine, but it won't idle or run very well
> > at low rpm (unless the choke is on - then it runs fine at low rpm). There
> > are two screws on the carburetor. One in the centre and one just to the
> > lower left of it.
> > > > My first question: What are these two screws for? I suspect the lower
> > one is for the idle mixture. Unfortunately, I can't play around with it
> > because it's missing (probably the reason it doesn't idle well). I got a
> > new screw yesterday but I haven't tried it out yet to see if it will fit.
> > It doesn't look like it will. :(
> > > > My second quesition: Does anyone else out there own a PC50? I'm not sure
> > what year mine is, but I suspect it's somewhere around 1977. I'd love to
> > compare notes so I could figure out what the heck I'm doing.
> > > > I'm going to start the process of insuring and licensing the thing so
> > I can drive it around without fear of the police. It's a bit hard to
> > drive it now anyway 'cause I have to hold the throttle open every time I
> > stop.
> > > > -Mike
> > ___________________________________________________________
> > Michael Anttila aka PsychoMan of Craw Productions
> > 3A Pure Math / Computer Science at U. of Waterloo, Canada
> > E-Mail: manttila@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca
> > Homepage: http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~manttila/
> > Craw Productions: craw@magi.com, http://www.magi.com/~craw/
> Keep Working, Mike& Good Luck..
> Tim and Alene from F. Myers. Fl.
> > >
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:31:05 +0200
To:
Subject: RE: honda urbanexpress 1982
Hello Chris, other mopedeers,
At 12:05 28-09-97 -0400, Chris wrote (through a account on which all replies
bounce):
>HI Hans,
> Maybe you could help me out! Just bought a 1982 Honda Uraban Express with
>42 miles on it. It has been in storage for fifteen years. I've drained the
>gas and oil, put a new plug in and it still has trouble starting. I am not
>sure if it is getting oil, the oil light stays on when running for about
>two minutes. Gas flows out of a clear tube on the side of the carb. I'm
>not sure how to go about fixing it. Do you know of any manuals that may
>help me or do you have any tips. Thanks for your help.
>Chris McGraw of Monroe, NY
Maybe I could if I knew what a Honda Express looks like? Is it a four or a
two stroke?
Problem with Honda's is, they use different names in other countries. What
is the type number? Is it PK50, SH50 or something like that.
If anyone can, please send a picture of it..
Obviously, your carburettor needs thorough cleaning after all these years.
Unbolt the thing from the bike, and dismantle it on a table covered with
some white sheets of linnen or paper, so you can find all parts again when
you re-assemble it.
Unscrew all the screws, jets and other parts. Buy yourself a good carb.
cleaning solvent in a car-shop (I use Bardahl Carb cleaner) I do not know if
you own a air compressor, but you do need one. Do not omit to prise the
needle jet out of the housing too, this is a copper tube under the throttle
slide.
Use the float bowl as a bath for all the little parts, and fill it with
cleaner. Let these parts sit while you clean the rest. Flush out every hole
you see in the Carb and blow it clean and dry with the Compressor. Now do
the same with the jets and other parts, replace the float needle (the thing
attached to the floater, a little pin with a rubber sharp top) with a new one.
Adjusting the carb is not difficult, there are two adjustment screws on it; one turns the throttle slide up, to regulate the idle speed, the other one
regulates the pilot mixture.
Turn the pilot screw in fully (don't force it) and turn it out 1 1/2 turn
anti-clockwise.
Bolt the carb onto the moped, and start up. Let the motor reach it's normal
working temperature, and turn the mixture screw in or out untill it runs OK.
(NO more then approx. 1 turn) If you can't get it to run properly, there's
some more trouble.
Burning oil indicator lamp:
Now this is tricky.. I presume you did fill the oil tank up again?
If you have a two-stroke, the light burning indicates that there is no oil
in the oiltank.
The oiltank has a float, which turns the light on and off.
So, if you've got oil in the tank, and the light burns, the float is stuck
(this occurs sometimes with a *very* full tank) or it's just plain broken.
With the two-stroke it is hard to tell if the engine gets any oil (without
having a Piston seizure anyway) Use a bottle or something like that as a
fuel tank, fill it up with gas mixed with two-stroke oil, and connect it to
the carb. Now start the engine, and disconnect the thin rubber hose which
comes from the oilpump. There should drip oil out of it now.
If you have a four-stroke engine, DO NOT run the engine anymore untill you
solved this problem.
Cheers,
Hans Hartman
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:07:57 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: PHATone74@aol.com
Subject: Re: Help me with parents
There is a place in Dumont, NJ called "Steves Moped's"
You might be able to find a moped there.
Ben Tarr
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:34:50 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: PHATone74@aol.com
Subject: Garelli Questions
I have a couple of questions to ask:
1.My Garelli Supersport XL is not exactly eating, but badly burning spark
plugs-why?
2.Does anybody have or know where I can get a speedometer and speedometer
cable for my ped? I called the moped shop that I use and they said it would
be $100 for new parts. Does anyone maybe know of a moped/bike speedometer
kit?
3.Does anybody have plans for a go-cart, moped, minibike, or motorbike? I
have a still-in-box, 5hp engine that I want to put to use.
Thank you for any help you can give me!!
Ben Tarr (PHATone74@aol.com)
1980 Garelli Supersport XL
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:47:51 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Moped Child Safety Seat
------- reply to Paul Furbert
I am trying to locate a child safety seat for my Moped. If anyone
knows of a good seat that may suit my needs please e-mail me at
pfurbert@ibl.bm.
Thanks in advance
Paul
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:05:54 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Brummi moped
--------- reply to WHatc53602@aol.com --------
I just aquired a brummi moped, all info on it is in german, date is 1957,
has
a 47cc sachs motor and hubs. the only other name i can find on it is
kayser
on the front fender and denfield on the seat.....does anyone have any info
on
this.
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:47:51 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Moped Child Safety Seat
------- reply to Paul Furbert
I am trying to locate a child safety seat for my Moped. If anyone
knows of a good seat that may suit my needs please e-mail me at
pfurbert@ibl.bm.
Thanks in advance
Paul
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:05:54 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Brummi moped
--------- reply to WHatc53602@aol.com --------
I just aquired a brummi moped, all info on it is in german, date is 1957,
has
a 47cc sachs motor and hubs. the only other name i can find on it is
kayser
on the front fender and denfield on the seat.....does anyone have any info
on
this.
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:21:30 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: How to convince Mom that Mopeds are not too dangerous for a 14 year old.
------- reply to ANDOVER@aol.com -------
Moped Greetings!
I got my 1st Moped when I turned 14 years old after bugging my parents for
two years straight. My mother thought it was too dangerous but it has been
21
years and
I have not been in a single accident. Now that I am 35 I can understand
your
Mothers
concern but a Moped can be safe if you treat it like a bicycle rather then
a
motorcycle. What I mean is to always be double cautious and drive in the
bike
lanes or sidewalks where you should be. Also never show off...that is when
you let your guard down.
I guess I am such a Moped enthusiast because My Mom thought it was too
dangerous (That and because of the Music of "The WHO"....Check it out!)
I have collected Mopeds ever since. My Moped taught me responsibility that
carried
through to today. I am the owner of several very successful companies. The
leap of faith my parents made in allowing me the freedom of a Moped gave
me a
foundation of self confidence that has carried through to today.
You remind me clearly of where I was at 14. I would like to offer you a
Bright Red 1995 TOMOS Targa Lx Top Tank at a Special Price. Let me know
the
lowest verifiable price you get for this Moped and I will beat it and
then
throw in extra mirrors, a cargo net and a helmut.
Warm regards,
Lance Chayet
Andover Cycles, Limited
Authorized TOMOS, Puch, and JAWA Moped Dealer
303-689-9000
303-689-9009 Fax
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:25:18 -0400
To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
From: libertybell7@earthlink.net
Subject: Honda Urban Express parts needed.
Hi Everyone,
I really need a piston/rings & cylinder and wrist pin needle bearing set
for a 1982 Honda Urban Express.
It may be model NU50M??? Anyone have any ideas? Thanks Mike Burch
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:27:33 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tomos Targa Lx 1996/Oil pump broke?
In a message dated 97-09-29 17:40:36 EDT, you write:
<< I just bought a brand new 1996 Tomos Targa LX. I can't tell if the oil
pump
is working. I have put about 160 miles on the ped so far but it looks like
the oil in the oil box under my seat isn't going down. About how many miles
can this moped go before I would notice the oil going down?
If the oil pump is not working, do you think I have already caused damage
to
the ped?
Tom >> How long was your longest single trip? If you only ride 3-4 miles at a time
and don't run at full speed the engine probably won't heat up enough to cause
major damage. If you run at high speed often, and take 10+ mile trips
regularly, the engine would probably have siezed on you already if the pump
was broken. My '96 Targa LX used about 12oz of oil in about 932 miles
(1500km). Also, the guage reads distance in KILOMETERS, not miles. Remember
too that the 'ped gets 133 miles per gallon, and uses a 50:1 gas:oil mixture,
160 miles is about 1 1/3 gallons of gasoline and only 2.56oz of oil.
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:38:45 +0100
To:
Subject: Re: columbia parts?
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: maandag 29 september 1997 21:34
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:49:32 -0600 (MDT)
| To: daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu
| Subject: columbia parts?
|
|
| hi again
| a friend of mine just picked up a columbia moped with
| a sachs motor for $150 at a garage sale. he wants to
| trick it out a bit, so i was wondering if any body sold
| parts for this particular bike, and particularly if there
| is a 70cc kit available for it.
| thanks
| luther
|
| * *
|
|
| ***
|
| *
| * *
|
|
| lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu
|
|
Hi Luther,
Why not give the old cylinder a good porting job, after a while when the
cylinder/piston have worn out, you do have to buy a new one any how, and
this way it gives a lot more satisfaction, and some times more power too.
at least it gives you some on the job training to what to do with the 70cc
then.;)
first find a good expansion pipe, and a 15 - 19 mm carb. to begin with , a
file and a few hours...
good luck,
Peter.
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:54:22 +0100
To:
Subject: Re: Tomos Targa Lx 1996/Oil pump broke?
----------
| Van: Andrei Zaitsev
| Datum: maandag 29 september 1997 21:34
|
| *************************************************
| Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:57:47 -0400 (EDT)
| To: Daugava@nothnbut.net
| From: Barman3565@aol.com
| Subject: Tomos Targa Lx 1996/Oil pump broke?
|
|
| I just bought a brand new 1996 Tomos Targa LX. I can't tell if the oil
pump
| is working. I have put about 160 miles on the ped so far but it looks
like
| the oil in the oil box under my seat isn't going down. About how many
miles
| can this moped go before I would notice the oil going down?
|
| If the oil pump is not working, do you think I have already caused damage
to
| the ped?
|
| Tom
|
|
in 160 miles running 1:50 it must have drunken :
| 160X1,609=257,44 km running 1:40 km = 6,4 Liter gas mix 1:50 0,128L =
128ml ==0.0340 gallon
thanks to master converter..;) a teacup or some thing a like
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:28:16 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Mike982@aol.com
Subject: Re: columbia parts?
where can i get a 70cc upgrade kit
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:25:14 GMT
To:
Subject: Re: columbia parts?
If you get any responces to this, please forward them to me. I have a
Columbia and I need some parts for it. Thanks.
On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:34:50 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:
>*************************************************
>Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:49:32 -0600 (MDT)
>To: daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu
>Subject: columbia parts?
> > >hi again
>a friend of mine just picked up a columbia moped with
>a sachs motor for $150 at a garage sale. he wants to
>trick it out a bit, so i was wondering if any body sold
>parts for this particular bike, and particularly if there
>is a 70cc kit available for it.
>thanks
>luther
> >* *
> > > ***
> > *
>* *
> > >lgr0683@silver.sdsmt.edu
> >
Greenup County Homepage http://ram.ramlink.net/~paulh/
E-mail address paulh@ramlink.net
Greenup murders
1870 Greenup Mortality Schedule online
Greenup Marriages from 1904 to 1920 online
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:32:37 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Dashaun84@aol.com
Subject: Re: Help me with parents
I would like to know what is about the cheapest used moped that I can find
there?
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:39:17 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Mike982@aol.com
Subject: Re: columbia parts?
do you know how to order custom parts
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:59:39 -0400
To: chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Brummi moped
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:05:54 -0500
> To: "Mailing List"
> Subject: Fw: Brummi moped
> > --------- reply to WHatc53602@aol.com --------
> I just aquired a brummi moped, all info on it is in german, date is 1957,
> has
> a 47cc sachs motor and hubs. the only other name i can find on it is
> kayser
> on the front fender and denfield on the seat.....does anyone have any info
> on
> this.
wow. where'd ya dig that up?!
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:56:49 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Sogna2@aol.com
Subject: Re: columbia parts?
I recently unloaded my 77 Columbia Commuter. It had the standard sachs 50cc
engine with 1 speed auto trans. I found personally found that Columbia is a
pain in the ass to work on and no parts are available for them. Just about
every day i had a new problem, and found it next to impossible to find
compatible parts. And as for "tricking it out" don't even expect to modify it
the littlest bit. You will be able to find the right parts and upgrades about
when hell freezes over, or when the next ice age comes. Sorry to rain on your
parade, but I would dump the Columbia before you go broke, and buy something
worth at least half of your time like a Tomos, Puch, or a Batavus. Sorry, but
I thought I'd give you the facts from a former owner's point of view.
---Nick---
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:34:55 -0500
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: toymaker@usa.net
Subject: sources for moped info?
Hi. I'm a college student, currently residing in Missouri, and I'm
mulling over the possibilities of a moped, but so far I've not had a lot of
luck finding information. Basicly, I'm curious as o how hard they are to
maintain (I know nothing about engines), how to find one, what to look for,
etcetera. So far this mailing list is about the only source I've been able
to find online. If anyone can point me to a good info source, or better
yet answer my questions, I would really appreciate it. Thank you.
Kevin M. Luck
(toymaker@usa.net)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 05:31:18 -0400
To: libertybell7@earthlink.net
From: libertybell7@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Help me with parents
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:32:37 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Dashaun84@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Help me with parents
> > I would like to know what is about the cheapest used moped that I can find
> there?
From my own experience:
(1) Sachs suburban-"found in garbage in garbage-like condition and now fully
restored. Sach's engine runs like a top now.
(1) Sachs suburban-"running condition needed tires $100.00"(being restored)
(1) Motobecane Mobylette-"1976 running condition $75.00(being restored)
(1) Indian-"1981 running condition with closed up points $75.00"(running)
(1) Honda Urban Express"Should'a left it for the trash guy"
(1) VeloSolex-"66-71 running condition but had gummed up fuel line
65.00"(running very nicely)
Try checking in the "trading times" some people place very little value on
these bike and there are many of them out there for you. Good luck. Mike
Burch
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 05:42:11 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: MaytagTwin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Moped Child Safety Seat
In a message dated 97-09-30 02:50:25 EDT, you write:
<< Subj: Fw: Moped Child Safety Seat
Date: 97-09-30 02:50:25 EDT
From: daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev)
Reply-to: daugava@nothnbut.net
To: daugava@nothnbut.net (Moped Mailing List)
*************************************************
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:47:51 -0500
To: "Mailing List"
Subject: Fw: Moped Child Safety Seat
------- reply to Paul Furbert
I am trying to locate a child safety seat for my Moped. If anyone
knows of a good seat that may suit my needs please e-mail me at
pfurbert@ibl.bm.
Thanks in advance
Paul
>> Paul,
I can't help with safety seats but I do want to tell you what I did with an
old Solex moped years ago when my daughter was three years old and wanted to
ride with me. I installed a small seat with back over the back fender but,
first, I purchased a sheet of aluminum and a pop rivet gun with rivets and
then cut and installed fender skirts to prevent small feet from being able
to enter into the wheel's spoke area. It looked good and vastly improved the
safety for my daughter.
Regards,
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia
Maytagtwin@aol.com
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:33:49 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Moped Child Safety Seat
I really doubt you'll be able to find such a thing. almost all mopeds are
designed for the operator only. I also doubt it would be a very safe or smart
thing to do, for that matter.
david 1980 QT50
In a message dated 97-09-30 02:50:25 EDT, you write:
<< ------- reply to Paul Furbert
I am trying to locate a child safety seat for my Moped. If anyone
knows of a good seat that may suit my needs please e-mail me at
pfurbert@ibl.bm. >>
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 97 09:20:19 EDT
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: bibeault@lando.ENET.dec.com
Subject: Re: columbia parts?
I second the comments about the Columbia. Mine was a DOG. Only
1700 miles and it needed a rebuild. And it was only used for
a 6 mile commute in suburbia. I'll second the endorsements for
the Tomos and add the Derbi - if you can find one.
Rgds,
marc.bibeault@pko.mts.dec.com
From: US8RMC::"daugava@nothnbut.net" 29-SEP-1997 22:37:27.45
To: "Moped Mailing List"
Subj: Re: columbia parts?
*************************************************
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:56:49 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Sogna2@aol.com
Subject: Re: columbia parts?
I recently unloaded my 77 Columbia Commuter. It had the standard sachs 50cc
engine with 1 speed auto trans. I found personally found that Columbia is a
pain in the ass to work on and no parts are available for them. Just about
every day i had a new problem, and found it next to impossible to find
compatible parts. And as for "tricking it out" don't even expect to modify it
the littlest bit. You will be able to find the right parts and upgrades about
when hell freezes over, or when the next ice age comes. Sorry to rain on your
parade, but I would dump the Columbia before you go broke, and buy something
worth at least half of your time like a Tomos, Puch, or a Batavus. Sorry, but
I thought I'd give you the facts from a former owner's point of view.
---Nick---
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:14:00 -0700
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Moped Performance Parts - Andover Cycles is your Source!
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:30:27 -0400 (EDT)
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: ANDOVER@aol.com
> Subject: Moped Performance Parts - Andover Cycles is your Source!
> > Moped Greetings!
> > Fellow Moped Enthusiasts
> > There have been Many E-Mail Postings in the past month regarding Moped
> Performance Parts. Many of you have asked about 60cc and 70cc KIts as well as
> > Biturbo Exhausts.
> > Andover Cycles Limited is a Authorized TOMOS, Puch, and JAWA Moped Dealer.
> > We specialize in Moped Performance Parts.
> > E-Mail us a Fax# or a Regular street address and we will send you a complete
> Moped Performance Price List including Carbs, Sprokets, Exhausts, Jets, and
> Speed Kits for Mopeds only!
> > We are a Source of Moped Parts both Factory and aftermarket.
> > ********* SPECIAL INTERNET OFFER *****************
> $10 OFF ANY ORDER OF $100 OR MORE WITH A COPY OF THIS E-MAIL
> > ********** SPECIAL SALUTATION ****************
> > Let's all give Andrew a hand! (CLAP.....CLAP...CLAP......CLAP.....CLAP!)
> If it wasn't for Andrew running this mailing list and the superb Moped Web
> Page.
> None of us would have anything to read about our beloved Mopeds!
> > *** NEW TOPIC: How about a "NEW MOTORIZED BICYCLE ASSOCIATION? ***
> > During the late 1970's there was a National Motorized Bicycle Association.
> How about reviving this idea. A club of this type could be supported by this
> mailing list
> and promote our Mopeding interests. We would be glad to help organize a
> Colorado Chapter but leaders are needed from this mailing list to get it
> started. Let us Know.
> > Call us with all of your Moped Needs
> > Lance Chayet
> > Andover Cycles, Limited
> Denver, Colorado
> Authorized Moped Dealer
> 303-689-9000
> 303-689-9009 Fax
> E-Mail: ANDOVER@aol.com
Hi:
We are in Ft. Myers,Fl. and have a Tomos Targa LX 96 and want to know if
you would be kind enough to send us your catalogue of Tomos accessories
ie: 70cc Kit. Tim Vuichard & Alene Greto
2251 Euclid Avenue
Ft. Myers, Fl. 33901
Thanks much...
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:46:33 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: TOPOjs@aol.com
Subject: Re: Moped For Sale
Portland, Oregon. $150.oo. Thanks
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:10:58 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Brummi moped
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:59:39 -0400
> To: chrislo@cfw.com
> From: chrislo@cfw.com
> Subject: Re: Fw: Brummi moped
> > Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > > > *************************************************
> > Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:05:54 -0500
> > To: "Mailing List"
> > Subject: Fw: Brummi moped
> > > > --------- reply to WHatc53602@aol.com --------
> > I just aquired a brummi moped, all info on it is in german, date is 1957,
> > has
> > a 47cc sachs motor and hubs. the only other name i can find on it is
> > kayser
> > on the front fender and denfield on the seat.....does anyone have any info
> > on
> > this.
> wow. where'd ya dig that up?!
I'm seconding the motion. Brummi is a favourite name for a teddybear in
Germany.
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:09:06 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Dashaun84@aol.com
Subject: Re: sources for moped info?
MOPEDS RULE
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:11:29 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Dashaun84@aol.com
Subject: Re: Moped For Sale
WHAT TYPE OF MOPED IS IT AND WHAT KIND OF SHAPE IS IT IN
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:54:16 -0400
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject: Re: Help me with parents
Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> (1) Indian-"1981 running condition with closed up points $75.00"(running)
Mike
> Burch
Mike,
How do you find the Indian?I understand that it's just the name but it
was actually made by AMI, after Indian folded.
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:02:38 -0500
To: techon@interaccess.com
From: techon@interaccess.com
Subject: Re: sources for moped info?
Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > *************************************************
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:34:55 -0500
> To: daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: toymaker@usa.net
> Subject: sources for moped info?
> > Hi. I'm a college student, currently residing in Missouri, and I'm
> mulling over the possibilities of a moped, but so far I've not had a lot of
> luck finding information. Basicly, I'm curious as o how hard they are to
> maintain (I know nothing about engines), how to find one, what to look for,
> etcetera. So far this mailing list is about the only source I've been able
> to find online. If anyone can point me to a good info source, or better
> yet answer my questions, I would really appreciate it. Thank you.
> > Kevin M. Luck
> (toymaker@usa.net)
You have found a great source of information thanks to Andrew & many
others who respond to peoples questions.
I just bought a Tomos Targa 1996! Great bike lots of fun. Tomos is a
good brand to buy. I researched the idea of buying a moped quite a bit
and found this brand the one to buy. You might try typing the word Moped
in your search engine you will find some sights out there that will have
pictures if the mopeds & the different models. Try Alta Vista search
engine. It is best to buy where you live. I called Tomos direct there
phone # is 1-800-845-7007. Tell them where you live & than they will
tell you if they sell them near you.
Good Luck!
PS-Moped over a Scooter any day!
CS
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:12:19 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Mike982@aol.com
Subject: Re: columbia parts?
were can i get a upgrade kit 70cc and custom parts
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:27:26 -0400 (EDT)
To: daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Mike982@aol.com
Subject: moped info
i need in fo on a 1980 yamaha qt 50 moped
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:11:06 -0400 (EDT)
To: Daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Mike982@aol.com
Subject: moped problem
my yamaha 1980 qt moped isn't geting a good spark any help would help
