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Date : Le Soleil, 01 Mars 1998 19:04:29 -0700
À : "daugava@nothnbut.net" 
De : objet de danyo@montrose.net : piaggio 
fév. 24, 1998 de vespa Scott (huvz@aol.com) je mets ce message sur le
filet de dvina occidentale de sorte qu'il pourrait y avoir quelqu'un 
d'autre qui pourrait voir ce qui continue. Je garde l'audition 
au sujet du grande de piaggio ayant une batterie. Le mien n'a 
pas un ou un endroit pour mettre un ! ! ? ? Dans la mesure où 
je peux dire, celui que j'ai juste acheté est un grande de l'assortir
aux photos que j'ai vues sur le réseau. Tous les décalques 
suggèrent que ce soit un grande. Peut-être quelqu'un a mis un 
décalque de grande là-dessus. Je ne connais pas car c'est le 
seul que j'ai jamais vu. Sur l'armature (réservoir de gaz) il 
indique le piaggio de vespa dans le rouge. Du plat en plastique 
d'étape qui va au-dessus de l'armature, il y a un autocollant de 
grande. Il a les bâtis de pédale de pied de chrome pour le 
passager. Est-ce que ce dans la réalité est un Grande ? 
Comme I dit dans mon email original, ped veut courir quand la 
commande de puissance est grande ouverte. Cependant, elle ne 
veut pas tourner au ralenti. Est-ce que ceci a pu être un 
problème de gicleur ? Je suis à 7000 pieds au-dessus de niveau
de la mer. La vitesse maximum que je suis sortir du vélo est 
environ 20 M/H. Accordé, je ne suis pas aussi léger que 
j'étais en tant que gosse. Je pèse environ 180 livres. 
J'ai sorti mon fils âgé de dix ans pour un tour avec moi 
(ajoutez encore 60 livres) et pouvais faire à peu près identique sur
la terre plate. Le résultat inférieur est celui pour que le 
vélo fonctionne correctement, il devrait tourner au ralenti. 
N'importe qui a obtenu toutes les suggestions ?



Date : Tue, 24 Fév. 1998 20:22:06 -0600 À : 
daugava@nothnbut.net de : objet de sparkie@jump.net : 
Steyr-Daimler-Puch I ont récemment acquis un modèle de moper 
de Steyr-Daimler-Puch # 810.94250. Il (près) complètement est 
démonté et le cylindre refroidi à l'air de moteur de simple-course 
est criqué. Je recherche désespérément n'importe qui qui a 
porte des pièces, a la connaissance d'entretien, ou de vieux manuels 
pour ce modèle. Svp E-mail j'à sparkie@jump.net. Merci !



Date : Tue, Est De 24 Fév. 1998 21:53:56 À : 
daugava@nothnbut.net de : Objet de LightMan15@aol.com : 
Piston pour Puch bonjour, j'ai un maxi de puch avec une fente 
dans le piston. Je dois trouver un nouveau (ou utilisé) piston 
que ce dosn't a coûté trop. J'ai besoin également d'une 
petite pièce pour le carb. Merci, Chris



Date : Tue, 24 Fév. 1998 23:29:40 -0800 À : 
agner@erols.com de : objet d'agner@erols.com : [ FWD
: Législation proposée pour limiter les conducteurs datant de 
17 ans ] ; L'email VOS REPRÉSENTANTS d'ÉTAT ceci est un 
message à parties multiples dans le format de MIME. 
Contenu-Type --------------3EFD65C94D98 : text/plain ; 
Contenu-Transférer-Codage charset=us-ASCII : 7bit si vous
êtes de NJ, montrent svp l'appui à l'opposition à cette loi 
nouvellement proposée. Svp email votre sénateur et état 
assemblyman/woman d'état. Merci. John de Contenu-Type de 
NJ --------------3EFD65C94D98 : Contenu-Transférer-Codage 
message/rfc822 : Contenu-Disposition 7bit : 
Message-Identification intégrée : <34F3C699.7C84@erols.com>
Date : Tue, 24 Fév. 1998 23:22:01 -0800 De : John 
Agner 
Répondre-À : X-Annonce d'agner@erols.com : 
Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16 ; I) Pantomime-Version : 
1.0 : objet de senadler@voicenet.com : 
Législation proposée pour limiter Contenu-Type de 17 
conducteurs d'an le vieux : text/plain ; 
Contenu-Transférer-Codage charset=us-ASCII : scie de 7bit
I qu'elle a rendue compte des nouvelles de NJ, canal 23, qu'une 
facture est avant que la législature qui interdirait des olds de 17 
ans de la conduite par eux-mêmes et exigerait d'eux de conduire avec 
quelqu'un plus de 21. Ceci interdirait efficacement la plupart 
des seniors de lycée de la conduite à l'école, et interdirait des 
seniors Septembre-soutenus de l'élimination égale à l'université 
en automne. La facture semble être fortement poussée par le 
secteur des assurances, qui est conduit par des dollars plutôt 
qu'altruisme. Je SUIS FORTEMENT OPPOSÉ À CETTE FACTURE. 
D'abord, je suis le père de 3, un qui est un aîné âgé de 17
ans à la colline de cerise est. Tous mes gosses jouent au 
football de voyage. C'est une coupure gentille qu'ils peuvent se
conduire aux jeux par leur année aînée, comme des équipiers de 
chauffeur à la pratique en matière de lycée de preseason, et leur 
donne des tours à la maison après la pratique. En second lieu,
il est gentil que ma fille pourrait visiter des universités, en 
partie, sur ses propres. Je ne pourrais pas probablement sortir 
du travail pour qu'elle visite chaque université qu'elle a étudiée.
Troisièmement, elle a été une grande aide à cette famille 
travaillante de 2 parents, pouvant courir ses plus jeunes enfants de 
mêmes parents aux sports et aux activités de musique. J'estime
que l'année l'où elle a eu son autorisation avant l'âge 17, couplé
à l'ED du conducteur à l'école et à une année de ma surveillance 
de sa conduite, lui a donné la pratique suffisante. Tandis 
qu'une autre année donne à beaucoup le temps de la jeunesse de 
mûrir, j'ai rencontré beaucoup d'étudiants d'âge d'université qui
manquent conversly d'une telle maturité, ainsi c'est sur une base de 
cas-par-cas qu'on doit juger une maturité de 17 ou 21 olds d'an pour 
conduire. Ceci peut être fait sous le système actuel de 
l'instruction, des essais, des points, et de la révocation pour ceux 
qui manquent de la maturité et du jugement. Veuillez passer 
ceci dessus à l'élu parlementaire Greenwald, et ne votez svp "NON" 
à la législation proposée. Elle va trop loin. Si des 
restrictions sont désirées, laissez les olds de 17 ans conduire par 
lui-même ou seulement avec des membres de famille, mais ne pénalisez
pas les nombreux bien élevés, mûrissent des olds de 17 ans pour les
peu qui seraient probablement irresponsables et dehors-de-commande 
même bien après rotation de 18. Merci. John Agner 
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Date : Wed, 25 Fév. 1998 08:40:20 -0600 À : 
"'daugava@nothnbut.net '" 
De : objet de mathisj@william.jewell.edu : 
RE : un nouveau kit motorisé de vélo le kit de vélo de 
moteur que votre remontage semble intéressant. Au sujet de cet 
enchaînement - emplacement : pourriez-vous répondre au sujet 
de l'adresse ? Merci J. Mathis e - courrier : 
mathisj@william.jewell.edu > > de : Andrei Zaitsev > 
Réponse À : daugava@nothnbut.net > envoyé : Mardi, 
Février 24, 1998 4:30 P.M. > À : Liste > Objet D'Expédition 
De Vélomoteur : Re : un nouveau kit motorisé de vélo > 
> ************************************************* > date : 
Mon, 23 Fév. 1998 21:04:17 -0700 (MST) > À :  
> de : jback@nilenet.com > objet : Re : un 
nouveau kit motorisé de vélo > > > 
>************************************************* > > date : 
Thu, 19 Fév. 1998 13:01:19 -1000 > > À : Andrei Zaitsev 
> > de : jback@nilenet.com > > > > ma compagnie, 
BBH Inc., développe actuellement un kit motorisé de vélo > (MBC) > 
basé sur le moteur du GX31 1.5hp 4-stroke OHV de Honda. Il sera
produit > en tant qu'a > kit dû aux conditions prohibitivement 
coûteuses de certification de POINT pour > a > vélo 'réalisé '. 
Le vélo bas est le croiseur 1998 peu coûteux de Schwinn > (et 
> croiseur de luxe) et les seules modifications nécessaires sont > 
substitution de > 105 rais de mesure + d'addition d'un frein 
d'extenseur d'avant d'archer de Sturmy > > si n'importe qui dehors là
est curieux quant à nos aventures dans la production a > motorisé > 
vélo ou a fait ainsi elles-mêmes dans le passé, nous voudrait 
entendre de > vous ! Nous > aurons une page Web installée en 
mai qui permet essentiellement n'importe qui > créent > leur propre 
MBC à partir de zéro. Plus à venir ! > > Jack 
Backstreet > Aurore, Co > > > > > > > > > >



Date : Wed, 25 Fév. 1998 10:26:10 -0600 À : 
"'daugava@nothnbut.net '" 
De : objet de mathisj@william.jewell.edu : 
RE : Le vélomoteur 1956 de RAP/REX concernant 
l'attachement a appelé mop-rex.jpg. Il s'ouvrira avec le jade 
FAT. > > de : Andrei Zaitsev > Réponse À : 
daugava@nothnbut.net > envoyé : Lundi, Février 23, 1998 
8:31 AM > À : Liste > Objet D'Expédition De Vélomoteur : 
Re : Vélomoteur 1956 de RAP/REX > > <> > daugava@nothnbut.net a écrit : > > > > 
j'essaye très dur de trouver l'information concernant un vélomoteur 
qu'I > ont. J'ai jusqu'ici fait le contact avec deux personnes 
(une au Canada et > un en Hollande) qui ont n'importe quelle 
connaissance de ces vélomoteurs > > je l'apprécieraient vraiment si 
vous pourriez aider de n'importe quelle manière > > > > je recherche 
l'information historique (origines, exportation FNI, pas de > des 
vélomoteurs construits, de différents modèles, intérêt pour ces 
vélomoteurs, des clubs > formé, e.t.c.), et l'information de 
restauration (caractéristiques de moteur, > disponibilité de pièces
de rechange, couleurs originales, contacts de personnes/> les 
compagnies qui peuvent m'aider avec n'importe lequel de ce ce qui 
précède (E-mail, snail mail ou > numbers) de téléphone, e.t.c). 
Les images seraient particulièrement bienvenues, ou un livre > 
une référence > > > > > > > > ces vélomoteurs ont été apparemment
vendus sous le nom de panthères en Allemagne, léopards > en 
Angleterre, et REX en Europe. Je ne sais pas s'ils étaient 
réellement > lancé sur le marché aux Etats-Unis, au Canada ou en 
Afrique. Ces moteurs ont été également vendus dans > les 
vélomoteurs de Philips en Angleterre en une, deux et trois modèles 
de vitesse, dans > tard des années '50 > > le plat sur le moteur lit 
comme suit : > > > > REX MOTOREN-WERK-MUNCHEN > > Hubr : 
49cc Kurzleistung 2.1 Picoseconde > > Betr. Erlaub Nr. 
Baujaur 1342 1956 > > Type REX 504 Mot Nr. : 660771 > > > 
> la seule information que je pourrais trouver dans un livre a le 
suivant > des définitions : > > > > R.A.P. - 49 
vélomoteurs populaires de vitesse de cc deux et trois.  NL(The
> Netherlands)
> > >From between 1951 and 1955 to date (1963)
> >
> > REX  -	 REX MOTORENWERK G.M.B.H. , E & K. Bagusat, 75
> Forstenriederstr. , Muenchen 25 . The firm concentrated on bicycle
> auxiliary engines and mopeds. Early versions had 31 cc, later ones 34
> cc and, the last few years, different 49 cc units were made. All
> worked on the two stroke principal. D (Germany) From 1949 to 1963
> >
> > My e-mail address is  "R o d g e r _ A @ b o k o m o . c o . z a"
> My phone numbers are (0027+21)+546171 (work)	   (..)+5591383 (home)
> (..)+544786 (fax).  Please do not hesitate to contact me if any
> queries arise.
> >
> > Regards,
> Does it look anything like this?
>



Date:  Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:36:15 -0500
To:  
From: bigjem@sprintmail.com
Subject: Subject Unknown


I have recently found a 1980 Puch Newport 2 and was wondering if you could
e-mail me a wiring diagram.  If not maybe you could send me a list of the
color codes coming out of the generator.  Thanks for the assistance



Date:  Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:46:03 -0400 (EDT)
To:  <199802260216.UAA24584@shell.nothnbut.net>
From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject:  Re: Piston for Puch


I have two 50cc PUCH pistons for Maxi's. Less than $30 /each. However,
piston and cyclinders are matched with PUCHs. There is a number on the
cyclinder that should match the number on the piston. That also, is no
guarentee, I've known people who buy the right part, and the piston is too
big!!!

Best thing to is to find a dealer you can walk into and bring your
cyclinder with you. It'll cost you more but saves you a potential
headache!!!

Michael Liu

On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Moped Mailing List wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date:  Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:53:56 EST
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: LightMan15@aol.com
> Subject:	Piston for Puch
>
>
> Hi , I have a puch maxi with a crack in the piston. I need to find a new (or
> used) piston that dosn't cost too much.
> I also need a little part for the carb.
>
> Thanks ,
>	 Chris
>
>
>



Date:  Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:55:21 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject:  Re: vespa piaggio


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Sun, 01 Mar 1998 19:04:29 -0700
> To:  "daugava@nothnbut.net" 
> From: danyo@montrose.net
> Subject:	vespa piaggio
>
> Feb 24, 1998
>
> Scott (huvz@aol.com)
>
> I'm putting this message on the daugava net so that there might be
> someone else that might see what's going on.
>
> I keep hearing about the piaggio grande having a battery.  Mine doesn't
> have one or a place to put one!!??  As far as I can tell, the one I just
> purchased is a grande from matching it to photos that I have seen on the
> network.	All the decals suggest that it's a grande.  Perhaps someone
> put a grande decal on it.  I don't know as this is the only one that
> I've ever seen.  On the frame (gas tank) it says vespa piaggio in red.
> On the plastic step plate that goes over the frame, there is a grande
> sticker.	It has the chrome foot pedal mounts for the passenger.	Is
> this in actuality a Grande?
>
> As I said in my original email, the ped wants to run when the throttle
> is wide open.  However, it does not want to idle.  Could this be a jet
> problem?	I'm at 7000 feet above sea level.  Max speed that I'm getting
> out of the bike is about 20 mph.	Granted, I'm not as light as I  was as
> a kid.  I weigh about 180 lbs.  I took my ten year old son out for a
> ride with me ( add another 60 pounds) and was able to do about the same
> on flat ground.
>
> Bottom line is that for the bike to be operating properly, it should
> idle.  Anyone got any suggestions?
There are some good news and bad news. You do have a Grande alright,
but...
1/They brought it out in 2 versions: with and without turn signals. The
battery is only needed on the second version of course. However, the
wiring is entirely different on the two. The only thing they share is
this cross-connection on the taillight bulb socket so that if the bulb
goes, it will not allow you to restart the engine unless you replace it.
2/ Grande mopeds were available mostly as a 20 mph bike, only a few
faster ones (25 mph) were sold.
3/ Jetting is usually not a major factor in top speed; what you might
gain is maybe 2 mph but loose it on the acceleration. The standard jet
for the Grande is 49. My Si with a 43 jet is faster than any Grande as
it is.
Try to decarbonize the exhaust, or if the mileage is high (6-7,000) it
maybe time to replace it. Also check if you are using the right plug: it
should be an NGK B6HS.
Finally, check your carb; there might be some problem in the idling
plate's position; it likes to get stuck and the engine overchokes.

The Grande is a great looking and very comfortable moped but a definite
slowpoke.
Cheers
PA



Date:  Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:00:45 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject:  Re: Fw: moped question..


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:43:12 -0600
> To:  "Mailing List" 
> From: daugava@inlink.com
> Subject:	Fw: moped question..
>
> -------- reply to: REEVIL98@aol.com ------
> Do you know anything about the speedfight 100cc
I believe it is a Peugeot scooter, but only 49.9cc.



Date:  Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:32:33 -0600 (CST)
To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
From: cyclepro@evansville.net
Subject:  Re: vespa piaggio


The symptom you have described is indicative of a case leak in a 2 cycle
engine. The test for this involves removing the carb and exhaust from the
engine and installing an air tight plug on the intake and exhaust ports.
Then fit a small manual vacuum pump to one of the plugs. With the piston @
BDC see if you can pull & maintain 2 or 3 PSI for a minute or so without
pumping. I’ll bet a dollar to a donut you can’t. You probably have a leak
at the main bearing oil seals or at the joint where the case halves meet.
If you do it is a good time to do a major over haul because total
disassemble of the engine is usually required to make the repair........
Greg Dougan





On	Wed, 25 Feb, Andrei Zaitsev wrote...
>*************************************************
>Date:	Sun, 01 Mar 1998 19:04:29 -0700
>To:  "daugava@nothnbut.net" 
>From: danyo@montrose.net
>Subject:  vespa piaggio
>
>
>Feb 24, 1998
>
>Scott (huvz@aol.com)
>
>I'm putting this message on the daugava net so that there might be
>someone else that might see what's going on.
>
>I keep hearing about the piaggio grande having a battery.	Mine doesn't
>have one or a place to put one!!??  As far as I can tell, the one I just
>purchased is a grande from matching it to photos that I have seen on the
>network.  All the decals suggest that it's a grande.  Perhaps someone
>put a grande decal on it.	I don't know as this is the only one that
>I've ever seen.  On the frame (gas tank) it says vespa piaggio in red.
>On the plastic step plate that goes over the frame, there is a grande
>sticker.  It has the chrome foot pedal mounts for the passenger.  Is
>this in actuality a Grande?
>
>As I said in my original email, the ped wants to run when the throttle
>is wide open.	However, it does not want to idle.	Could this be a jet
>problem?  I'm at 7000 feet above sea level.  Max speed that I'm getting
>out of the bike is about 20 mph.  Granted, I'm not as light as I  was as
>a kid.  I weigh about 180 lbs.  I took my ten year old son out for a
>ride with me ( add another 60 pounds) and was able to do about the same
>on flat ground.
>
>Bottom line is that for the bike to be operating properly, it should
>idle.	Anyone got any suggestions?
>
>
>



Date:  Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:35:32 -0600 (CST)
To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
From: cyclepro@evansville.net
Subject:  Re: vespa piaggio


PS. I have also had this symtom with low magneto output at lower rpm but
adequate at higher rpm.....Greg



On	Wed, 25 Feb, Andrei Zaitsev wrote...
>*************************************************
>Date:	Sun, 01 Mar 1998 19:04:29 -0700
>To:  "daugava@nothnbut.net" 
>From: danyo@montrose.net
>Subject:  vespa piaggio
>
>
>Feb 24, 1998
>
>Scott (huvz@aol.com)
>
>I'm putting this message on the daugava net so that there might be
>someone else that might see what's going on.
>
>I keep hearing about the piaggio grande having a battery.	Mine doesn't
>have one or a place to put one!!??  As far as I can tell, the one I just
>purchased is a grande from matching it to photos that I have seen on the
>network.  All the decals suggest that it's a grande.  Perhaps someone
>put a grande decal on it.	I don't know as this is the only one that
>I've ever seen.  On the frame (gas tank) it says vespa piaggio in red.
>On the plastic step plate that goes over the frame, there is a grande
>sticker.  It has the chrome foot pedal mounts for the passenger.  Is
>this in actuality a Grande?
>
>As I said in my original email, the ped wants to run when the throttle
>is wide open.	However, it does not want to idle.	Could this be a jet
>problem?  I'm at 7000 feet above sea level.  Max speed that I'm getting
>out of the bike is about 20 mph.  Granted, I'm not as light as I  was as
>a kid.  I weigh about 180 lbs.  I took my ten year old son out for a
>ride with me ( add another 60 pounds) and was able to do about the same
>on flat ground.
>
>Bottom line is that for the bike to be operating properly, it should
>idle.	Anyone got any suggestions?
>
>
>



Date:  Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:17:08 -0600 (CST)
To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
From: cyclepro@evansville.net
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]; EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES


On	Wed, 25 Feb, Andrei Zaitsev wrote...
>If you are from NJ, please show support to opposition to this newly
>proposed law.	Please email your state senator and state
>assemblyman/woman.  Thanks. John from NJ

Think this one through. It is a tough one with all the pressure on today’s
kids. We have a similar law in Kentucky and it has saved some children.
Your child may be up to the responsablity but most are not. Children lack
the experience to proficiently operate a car in anything less than ideal
circumstances. Most think they can drive much better than they really can
and end up driving way over their real ability when they are not
supervised. The result is dead and maimed people. This is serious stuff.
Many of todays kids skip the bicycle, moped, motorcycle phase and go
directly to the family lemo that don’t learn the respect for motion and
speed that they need.



Date:  Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:59:13 -0800
To:  agner@erols.com
From: agner@erols.com
Subject:  Re: vespa piaggio


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Sun, 01 Mar 1998 19:04:29 -0700
> To:  "daugava@nothnbut.net" 
> From: danyo@montrose.net
> Subject:	vespa piaggio
>
> Feb 24, 1998
>
> Scott (huvz@aol.com)
>
> I'm putting this message on the daugava net so that there might be
> someone else that might see what's going on.
>
> I keep hearing about the piaggio grande having a battery.  Mine doesn't
> have one or a place to put one!!??  As far as I can tell, the one I just
> purchased is a grande from matching it to photos that I have seen on the
> network.	All the decals suggest that it's a grande.  Perhaps someone
> put a grande decal on it.  I don't know as this is the only one that
> I've ever seen.  On the frame (gas tank) it says vespa piaggio in red.
> On the plastic step plate that goes over the frame, there is a grande
> sticker.	It has the chrome foot pedal mounts for the passenger.	Is
> this in actuality a Grande?
>
> As I said in my original email, the ped wants to run when the throttle
> is wide open.  However, it does not want to idle.  Could this be a jet
> problem?	I'm at 7000 feet above sea level.  Max speed that I'm getting
> out of the bike is about 20 mph.	Granted, I'm not as light as I  was as
> a kid.  I weigh about 180 lbs.  I took my ten year old son out for a
> ride with me ( add another 60 pounds) and was able to do about the same
> on flat ground.
>
> Bottom line is that for the bike to be operating properly, it should
> idle.  Anyone got any suggestions?
My grande has the battery under the cover just below the left rear
directional.  The cover comes off by screwing the black knob that goes
through the top center of that cover.  Re: speed, you should get at
least 30 if it's running right.  Yes, the altitude will effect your
power, as it did the power in my jeep when I lived out there
(Northglenn) and would drive back and forth from Denver to NJ.	I'd lean
it out when I got to Denver (less air, richer mixture unless you lean it
out). Also, I had a Kaw triple out there, and mountain trips were
notorious for fouling the plugs, which could also kill your top end.  I
think there are some ped shops in the Denver/Boulder/Aurora area.  They
should be able to give you some feedback on the power/jetting issue.  If
you can't track a ped shop down, try a Kaw/Yam/Suzuki shop, as they're
used to dealing with two strokes used in mountain conditions.  You might
also check some snowmobile shops in the mountains on that issue.  John
from NJ




Date:  Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:31:16 -0700 (MST)
To:  
From: jback@nilenet.com
Subject:  RE: a new motorized bike kit


>*************************************************
>Date:	Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:40:20 -0600
>To:  "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" 
>From: mathisj@william.jewell.edu
>Subject:  RE: a new motorized bike kit
>
>
>The motor bike kit your putting together sounds interesting.  About that
>web - site:  could you respond about the address?
>Thanks
>
>J. Mathis
>
>e - mail:	mathisj@william.jewell.edu
>
>> ----------
>> From:	Andrei Zaitsev
>> Reply To:	daugava@nothnbut.net
>> Sent:	Tuesday, February 24, 1998 4:30 PM
>> To:	Moped Mailing List
>> Subject: 	Re: a new motorized bike kit
>>
>> *************************************************
>> Date:  Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:04:17 -0700 (MST)
>> To:	
>> From: jback@nilenet.com
>> Subject:  Re: a new motorized bike kit
>>
>>
>> >*************************************************
>> >Date:	Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:01:19 -1000
>> >To:  Andrei Zaitsev 
>> >From: jback@nilenet.com
>> >
>> >My company, BBH Inc., is currently developing a motorized bike kit
>> (MBC)
>> based on Honda's GX31 1.5hp 4-stroke OHV engine. It will be produced
>> as a
>> kit due to the prohibitively costly DOT certification requirements for
>> a
>> 'completed' bike. The base bike is the low-cost 1998 Schwinn Cruiser
>> (and
>> Cruiser Deluxe) and the only modifications necessary are the
>> substitution of
>> 105 gauge spokes + addition of a Sturmy Archer front expander brake.
>>
>> If anyone out there is curious as to our adventures in producing a
>> motorized
>> bike or has done so themselves in the past, we'd like to hear from
>> you! We
>> will have a web page set up in May that essentially enables anyone to
>> create
>> their own MBC from scratch. More to come!
>>
>> Jack Backstreet
>> Aurora, CO
>>
>>
>>
>> Web site address to be announced 4/10/98. Again, this unit will be
produced in kit form only. Our company is convinced that, despite the
emissions improvements to 2-stroke engines of late, the 2-stroke platform is
ultimately doomed to be regulated out of existence... at least as far as the
U.S. is concerned. Honda's new generation of small-displacement 4-stroke OHV
engines (the GX22 and GX31 respectively) are the most advanced engines
available, period
(and I don't work for Honda either!).
   BBH Inc. has developed a patented clutch housing adaptor to fit the GX31
opening up an entirely new area of applications for this engine. While a bit
wide, 3 minor modifications made to any 1998 Schwinn Cruiser/Cruiser Deluxe
bike frame, make this an ideal match... and the entire bike should cost less
than $1400 to complete (the kit costing under $1000). Cruising speeds up to
25 mph are attainable and 130+ mpg is within our estimates.
   Note that the GX31 is already smog approved in all 50 states. It produces
1.5 hp--- our adaptor unit only applies to the GX31, as the GX22 (1hp) has a
smaller centrifugal clutch assembly.
   Again, we will make an official product announcement shortly and our web
site will be devoted to alternative 4-stroke power products, specifically
motorized bicycles & related components.
>
>
>Jack.



Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:50:21 +0100
To:  
From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject:  Re: vespa piaggio


Hello Scott,
At 13:52 25-02-98 -0800, you wrote:
>I'm putting this message on the daugava net so that there might be
>someone else that might see what's going on.

>I keep hearing about the piaggio grande having a battery.	Mine doesn't
>have one or a place to put one!!??  As far as I can tell, the one I just
>purchased is a grande from matching it to photos that I have seen on the
>network.  All the decals suggest that it's a grande.  Perhaps someone

Dunno, wasn't sold in the Netherlands.

>As I said in my original email, the ped wants to run when the throttle
>is wide open.	However, it does not want to idle.	Could this be a jet
>problem?  I'm at 7000 feet above sea level.  Max speed that I'm getting
>out of the bike is about 20 mph.  Granted, I'm not as light as I  was as
>a kid.  I weigh about 180 lbs.  I took my ten year old son out for a
>ride with me ( add another 60 pounds) and was able to do about the same
>on flat ground.

Change the crankshaft oil seal (15X24x5) under the ignition.
Good change that is the problem.

Cheers,



Hans Hartman



Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:53:00 +0100
To:  
From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject:  Re: Fw: moped question..


At 13:52 25-02-98 -0800, you wrote:
>*************************************************
>Date:	Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:43:12 -0600
>To:  "Mailing List" 
>From: daugava@inlink.com
>Subject:  Fw: moped question..
>
>
>-------- reply to: REEVIL98@aol.com ------
>Do you know anything about the speedfight 100cc


Yes, that really isn't a moped!!!
The 50cc version is sold here as moped though...

Cheers,



Hans Hartman



Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 03:17:35 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: DWCarpenter@webtv.net
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]



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Personally I think 18 SHOULD be the driving age.  I like this law, and I
am not in the pocket of the insurance industry, and I am not MUCH older
than 18.  (Well, I am 24, but I remember how most 16 and 17 year olds
drive....even me at one time!)	It's a shame that someone would place
their convenience over the safety of children.	Another good idea is to
have kids get their permit at 16 and not get a real license until the
age of 18.	To drive with the permit one would need someone over the age
of 18, maybe 21 in the car with them.  This is not a perfect idea but it
beats the hell out of 9 out of 10 kids wrecking their cars before they
turn 17.

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Don Carpenter - http://www.axs2000.net/donc
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Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:58:56 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject:  Re: vespa piaggio


 Dan,
	you DO have a Grande.	No battery - no problem.  If your bike has no turn
signals, then it would not be equipped with a battery.
   The fact that the bike runs tells me you most likely dont have a elect.
problem.
  The idle problem almost HAS TO be a carb problem. The Vespa carb is a very
simple design.
   Check the point gap ( .015 ) .	Remove the carb again, make sure you clear
the venturi holes with carb cleaner, and compressed air. There is a small
passageway in the float bowl also. You can see a small hole near the corner of
the bowl that leads to the pipe that stands in the center of carb.	Make sure
that air will pass through.
  I know it is aggravating, but that is the way it goes. Take it off , and
clean it again.
 Sometimes the pressure you get from a can of carb cleaner is not great enough
to open the passages, so use a "blow nozzle" and compressed air to clear it. (
be careful )
	20 mph - I would think you should be able to get to 25mph.
   You may need to re-jet for your altitude, ask one of the guys at the Vespa
Super Shop for advice on this one. Your altitude is what 9,000 ft? Could be an
issue.
   Good Luck
 Scott H



Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:58:36 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: MOPEDMOPED@aol.com
Subject:  Re: Piston for Puch


In a message dated 98-02-26 01:20:10 EST, you write:

<< From: LightMan15@aol.com
 Subject:  Piston for Puch


 Hi , I have a puch maxi with a crack in the piston. I need to find a new (or
 used) piston that dosn't cost too much.
 I also need a little part for the carb.
  >>
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Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:00:49 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: BURNNLOV@aol.com
Subject:  moped help


i need parts and help with and for my 74 suvega tiger can any body help
e-mail or call ron 703-765-7376



Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:48:21 +0100
To:  "Peter Staal" 
From: staal@westbrabant.net
Subject:  Re: Steyr-Daimler-Puch



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Andrei Zaitsev 
Aan: Moped Mailing List 
Datum: donderdag 26 februari 1998 3:22
Onderwerp: Steyr-Daimler-Puch


>*************************************************
>Date:	Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:22:06 -0600
>To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: sparkie@jump.net
>Subject:  Steyr-Daimler-Puch
>
>
>
>I have recently acquired a Steyr-Daimler-Puch moper model# 810.94250.
>It is (near) completely disassembled and the single-stroke air-cooled
>engine cylinder is cracked.  I am desperately looking for anyone who has
>carries parts, has maintenance knowledge, or old manuals for this
>model.  Please e-mail me at sparkie@jump.net.	Thanks!
>
>
>
Hi,
only in the Netherlands, :-(
look at my parts section http://home.concepts.nl/~staal/xxparts.html
and see if they look a bit like yours , in the picture section (fun) . if so
they can get parts for it...

   Bye, Peter Staal
----------------------------------------------------------------------
 Email: staal@concepts.nl
 Home: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
----------------------------------------------------------------------



Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:02:23 -0500
To:  chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject:  restrict 17 year old drivers


> Personally I think 18 SHOULD be the driving age.
i kinda like that idea too. but i also think the drinking age should be
lowered. in most civilized countries you're an adult at 18, and its then
you have to accept full responsibility for your actions. everything
should count at 18. so go for it. finish high school and you're on your
own.
some say its not wise to start drinking and driving at the same time but
who are we kidding here? 16 year olds do it all the time and thats two
years earlier.
problem is, american public transportation sucks. folks are too lazy,
nothing else. to start navigating a moped thru traffic at 15-16 would be
a good way to learn the basics and respect for the heavy, clunky cars
around you.
of course there would be wrecks and accidents, the physical danger would
greater on a moped, one might argue. look to the cause of these crashes
and you'll find our old buddies inexperience, disregard for the law,
illegal substances and unsafe mopeds.
the differnce is i was much more grateful to finally be able to get off
the moped and into a car at 18 (i've been hit by others eight times over
the years but never hit anyone else).
another item: if you have to have an adult over 21 with you to drive a
car who are your friends gonna be? 21 year olds with a car, or without a
license, maybe.
the 14+ year old girls in our moped cliques tended to go out with the
older guys with cars cuz it rained so much in germany. no, not really,
THEY REALLY LOVED THEM FOR THEIR PERSONALITIES!! ABSOLUTELY!! not many
parents liked the idea, but that was how it was.
anyway, an 18-21 year old "chaperone" also has access to what? thats
right, the good stuff. so laws wont change a thing, trust me on this.



Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:13:12 -0500
To:  
From: ghidalileah@email.msn.com
Subject:  suscribe digest


Suscribe Digest





Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:57:54 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: MaytagTwin@aol.com
Subject:  Re: vespa piaggio


In a message dated 98-02-26 16:03:20 EST, you write:

<< > Bottom line is that for the bike to be operating properly, it should
 > idle.  Anyone got any suggestions?
 There are some good news and bad news. You do have a Grande alright,
 but...
 1/They brought it out in 2 versions: with and without turn signals. The
 battery is only needed on the second version of course. However, the
 wiring is entirely different on the two. The only thing they share is
 this cross-connection on the taillight bulb socket so that if the bulb
 goes, it will not allow you to restart the engine unless you replace it.
 2/ Grande mopeds were available mostly as a 20 mph bike, only a few
 faster ones (25 mph) were sold. >>
>>
Is this tail light feature also something to watch for in the Ciao?  It has
battery and turn signals.
Ron Carroll
Nokesville, Virginia USA
maytagtwin@aol.com



Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:26:23 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: SearsPucher@webtv.net
Subject:  Re: allstate	moped


Hi,
  You might want to contact Bill Murar, pres. of SAMOC (Sears Allstate
Motorcycles Owners Club) he has parts and the knowledge to help you.
Samoc@juno.com

I'm Gone !!!!!!!!!!



Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:34:41 -0800
To:  
From: dlucas@fred.fhcrc.org
Subject:  Re: vespa piaggio


To Scott about the Vespa Grande- yes, that's what it is. Batteries are
optional, and in my Piaggio moped experience, more trouble than they're
worth. So good for you.  In fact, you've EXACTLY described this Grande I
just got. Except mine was taken apart, so I don't know how fast it goes. It
went sixty a week ago, but that was in the trunk of my car.

only suggestion is the carb and jet need to be SPOTLESSLY clean, and your
symptoms sound like dirty jet to me. And if you aren't sure your tank is
clean too, install a little motorcycle fuel filter before the carb. I got a
bunch of plastic disposable ones for a buck apiece.

good luck,
dave




Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:44:40 -0800
To:  jgreen@wcl.on.ca
From: jgreen@wcl.on.ca
Subject:  60's motobecane


looking for good carburetor and rear shock for motobecane cady 50cc not
sure of year, believe it to be in the sixties.



Date:  Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:46:20 +0100
To:  
From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject:  Re: Subject Unknown


At 08:54 26-02-98 -0500, you wrote:

Well, I wrote some time ago in the list:
>Date:	Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:49:17 +0200
>To:  
>From: hansn@xs4all.nl
>Subject:  Re: Puch wiring diagram needed.
>
>Hello, Greg and fellow mopedeers
>At 10:29 9-09-97 PDT, you wrote:
>
>>	 I am in dire need of a wiring diagram for a 1980 Puch magnum.	I know
>
>No you don't! You just need to know the wiring colors and their
>corresponding numbers.
>These are all normalised (DIN=Deutsche Industrie Norm) in Europe, and in the
>US too for all I know..
>
>The numbers are often printed on the electric components.
>
>1						 green, from HT-coil to contact breaker.
>2						 black, from ignition coil to ignition switch or
kill-switch
>4						 HT-lead, from Ht coil to spark-plug
>15 or 15/54	   black, from ignition switch to HT-coil, horn and stop-light
>30/51				  red, from regulator to battery +
>30 					red, from battery + to ignition switch and starter
motor
>31 					brown/green-yellow, from battery - to frame and -
terminal on lights
>50 					black, from starterbutton to starter-relais
>54 					yellow, from ignition switch to horn, turn signals
and stop-light
>56 					black\white, from lighting switch to low/high beam
switch
>56a				   white, from low/high beam switch to high beam
terminal on lamp
>56b				   light blue or yellow, from  low/high beam switch to
low beam terminal
>57 					grey, from lighting switch to parking lights
>58 					grey, from lighting switch to rear light
>59 or 51			 blue, from lighting coil or alternator to lighting switch
>59a				   blue, from alternator via rectifier to battery +
>61 					blue, from rectifier to charge lamp
>85 					brown, from relay to ground (frame)
>86 					grey, from relay via switch to +
>87 					green/grey, from relay output to horn, flash light
or auxillary lights
>87a				   green/grey, from relay stand-by terminal to same as
above
>B+ 				   red, from regulator to battery
>D+ 				   red, from alternator + to rectifier
>DF 				   blue/black, from alternator fields to regulator
>D- 					brown, from alternator - to regulator
>L						 blue/red, from turn indicator switch via relay to
left turn indicator
>R						blue/black, from turn indicator switch via relay to
right turn indicator
>
>You can use other colours (everybody does!) but the numbers are given facts.
>Being European, your Puch's electrical components (Robert Bosch) are most
>likely marked with those numbers.



>*************************************************
>Date:	Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:36:15 -0500
>To:  
>From: bigjem@sprintmail.com
>Subject: Subject Unknown
>
>
>I have recently found a 1980 Puch Newport 2 and was wondering if you could
>e-mail me a wiring diagram.  If not maybe you could send me a list of the
>color codes coming out of the generator.  Thanks for the assistance

Hope this helps a little...

Cheers,



Hans Hartman



Date:  Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:31:23 -0500
To:  Andrei Zaitsev 
From: 6828t@bright.net
Subject:  Motobecane owners


Hi Motobecane Owners
     Will a long and hard hunt has paid off I have found a excellent
sources for parts.
U.S.A. Motobecane Club
Bob Taylor



Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:54:48 -0800
To:  agner@erols.com
From: agner@erols.com
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> Personally I think 18 SHOULD be the driving age.	I like this law, and I
> am not in the pocket of the insurance industry, and I am not MUCH older
> than 18.	(Well, I am 24, but I remember how most 16 and 17 year olds
> drive....even me at one time!)  It's a shame that someone would place
> their convenience over the safety of children.  Another good idea is to
> have kids get their permit at 16 and not get a real license until the
> age of 18.  To drive with the permit one would need someone over the age
> of 18, maybe 21 in the car with them.  This is not a perfect idea but it
> beats the hell out of 9 out of 10 kids wrecking their cars before they
> turn 17.
>
>	  ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Don Carpenter - http://www.axs2000.net/donc
I thought this would be of interest to this site for two reasons.
First, mopedders get a license at 15 in NJ , so those affected they may
be on this site. I know we have several NJ people on the list.	Second,
if they restrict the age for car operation, peds may follow.  Re: 9 out
of 10 kids wrecking cars at 17, I've been driving since that age in NJ,
and fortunately, haven't wrecked a car.  I hope it has something to do
with my training, both pre-17 (where I drove dirt bikes for four years),
and post-17 (school driver's ed, and the seriousness with which I take
my driving).  Re: my kid's safety, if she didn't satisfy MY driving
standards during the thousands of miles she drove with me on her permit,
she wouldn't have the keys now, so I take exception to that comment.  In
our society, those who act responsibly should not loose privileges
simply because others don't act responsibly.  Hopefully this issue will
be driven by reason and not by emotion!!  On the other hand,
unfortunately emotion seems to set the course for more things than does
reason.




Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:59:54 -0800
To:  agner@erols.com
From: agner@erols.com
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]; EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:17:08 -0600 (CST)
> To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
> From: cyclepro@evansville.net
> Subject:	Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]; EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES
>
> On  Wed, 25 Feb, Andrei Zaitsev wrote...
> >If you are from NJ, please show support to opposition to this newly
> >proposed law.  Please email your state senator and state
> >assemblyman/woman.  Thanks. John from NJ
>
> Think this one through. It is a tough one with all the pressure on today’s
> kids. We have a similar law in Kentucky and it has saved some children.
> Your child may be up to the responsablity but most are not. Children lack
> the experience to proficiently operate a car in anything less than ideal
> circumstances. Most think they can drive much better than they really can
> and end up driving way over their real ability when they are not
> supervised. The result is dead and maimed people. This is serious stuff.
> Many of todays kids skip the bicycle, moped, motorcycle phase and go
> directly to the family lemo that don’t learn the respect for motion and
> speed that they need.
	I have thought this through.  I'd rather my kids get their practice
driving around the house, where I can supervise the driving, rather than
at 18 when they're alone, off to college or in their own place working.
I like the idea of being a parent and supervising and teaching my kids,
rather than casting them loose to learn things on their own.   John from
NJ




Date:  Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:34:48 -0500
To:  
From: billang@geocities.com
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]




	I think that if you can pass the test then you can get your lisence.  The
answer is to make the test harder so that the people who pass are good
drivers.
















At 08:54 2/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Personally I think 18 SHOULD be the driving age.  I like this law, and I am
>not in the pocket of the insurance industry, and I am not MUCH older than
>18.  (Well, I am 24, but I remember how most 16 and 17 year olds
>drive....even me at one time!)  It's a shame that someone would place their
>convenience over the safety of children.  Another good idea is to have kids
>get their permit at 16 and not get a real license until the age of 18.  To
>drive with the permit one would need someone over the age of 18, maybe 21
>in the car with them.	This is not a perfect idea but it beats the hell out
>of 9 out of 10 kids wrecking their cars before they turn 17.	   Don
>Carpenter - http://www.axs2000.net/donc



Date:  Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:15:55 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: FuBux68@aol.com
Subject:  Re: "Moped Digest"  #92


I am interested in buying a new moped.	What is the best bang for the buck
these days.  Anybody know any websites with pictures and prices of any new
models.
I am interested in a high tank moped.

thank you,
Nick Smith



Date:  Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:18:03 -0500
To:  huvz@sprintmail.com
From: huvz@sprintmail.com
Subject:  Derbi


....
  Some of these 50cc beauties produce 7 to 9 hp. At 9,000rpm.
  CYCLE IMPORTS in Miami, Fl. has some, and has plans to import several
different models. The complete line has several scooters, about 7
different moped models, and one that looks like a "super bike" that
features a liquid cooled engine. They also have a radical dirtbike
model, and an "enduro" type.
  Prices ranged from  approx 1,400 to 3,200 if I remember correctly.
  My favorite model in the FENIX which looks like a regular small
motorcycle, but CYCLE IMPORTS said they had no plans to import that
particular model.
	CYCLE IMPORTS (305-597-4440) are also into those "Pocket
Bikes"(Polini dealer),also 50cc. I will definately check them out next
time I go to So. Florida.
 Scott H



Date:  Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:13:00
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: drstupid@usa.net
Subject:  Puch Newport??


Hey, I just bought a puch newport moped and it looks exactly like my maxi except for the seat..What makes the newport unique??	Is it at all, is it just a different name???
Thanks,
Dan



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Date:  Sat, 28 Feb 1998 06:51:01 -0600
To:  "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" 
From: mathisj@william.jewell.edu
Subject:  RE: Motobecane owners


That's good news Bob.  Would you mind sharing the source for the parts
for the Motobecane mopeds?
Thanks

J. T. Mathis

mathisj@william.jewell.edu

> ----------
> From: 	Andrei Zaitsev
> Reply To: 	daugava@nothnbut.net
> Sent: 	Friday, February 27, 1998 9:34 PM
> To:	Moped Mailing List
> Subject:	Motobecane owners
>
> *************************************************
>
> Date:  Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:31:23 -0500
> To:  Andrei Zaitsev 
> From: 6828t@bright.net
> Subject:	Motobecane owners
>
>
> Hi Motobecane Owners
>      Will a long and hard hunt has paid off I have found a excellent
> sources for parts.
> U.S.A. Motobecane Club
> Bob Taylor
>
>



Date:  Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:53:57 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject:  Re: Motobecane owners


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:31:23 -0500
> To:  Andrei Zaitsev 
> From: 6828t@bright.net
> Subject:	Motobecane owners
>
> Hi Motobecane Owners
>	   Will a long and hard hunt has paid off I have found a excellent
> sources for parts.
> U.S.A. Motobecane Club
> Bob Taylor
What is it?



Date:  28 Feb 1998 07:53:07 -0800
To:  "daugava@nothnbut.net" 
From: WILMET@SAFECO.com
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation t


 To @REPLY Andrei Zaitsev		From WILMET (HO)	 Type N    02-28-98   7:53a
I have to agree. Just last Tuesday evening a 16 year old in a ford van made an illegal turn and put my friend Jimmy in the hospital. He was upgraded from critical condition to stable on Thursday.

 To WILMET WILLIAM R METTEER	From @INET	(HO)	 Type N    02-26-98   1:16p
 FROM: daugava@nothnbut.net
1 object(s) were dropped:

Personally I think 18 SHOULD be the driving age.  I like this law, and I am not in the pocket of the insurance industry, and I am not MUCH older than 18.  (Well, I am 24, but I remember how most 16 and 17 year olds drive....even me at one time!)  It's a shame that someone would place their convenience over the safety of children.  Another good idea is to have kids get their permit at 16 and not get a real license until the age of 18.  To drive with the permit one would need someone over the age of 18, maybe 21 in the car with them.  This is not a perfect idea but it beats the hell out of 9 out of 10 kids wrecking their cars before they turn 17.



Date:  Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:18:55 -0500
To:  chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject:  17 year old drivers


> Re: my kid's safety, if she didn't satisfy MY driving
> standards during the thousands of miles she drove with me on her permit,
> she wouldn't have the keys now,
thats okay. but in todays society, say, where flunking a year in school
is no longer acceptable to ones self-esteem, youre the odd man out.



Date:  Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:44:17 -0500 (EST)
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: will@river.netrover.com
Subject:  frustrations


i'm working on a 74 hercules with a sachs engine.  it ran great all last
year (put about 200 miles on it).  but when i went to start it this year it
wouldn't go.  i narrowed the problem down to timing and readjusted it.
sometimes it would start, but when i rode it, it would quit by the time it
got up to 25mph.  sometimes it would start no problem.	i've also snapped 2
woodruff keys in the process.
can anyone give me any advice on what my problem might be?
thanks
gord...



Date:  Sun, 01 Mar 1998 22:08:55 -0500
To:  huvz@sprintmail.com
From: huvz@sprintmail.com
Subject:  PEUGEOT "TSM"


I recently got a  1980 Pugeot  (TSM-U3 on the serial no. plate).
 The side covers have the letters TSM on them.
 Has anyone had any experience with this bike? It looks really cool, and
has low miles. I haven't rode it yet, but am anxious to hear it run.
 The swing arm is attatched well forward of the seatpost, and the motor
actuall is hung using the swing arm bolt. .. Hmmm....interesting.

A source for technical manuals would be nice also.
 Thanks
 Scott H



Date:  Sun, 01 Mar 1998 22:14:41 -0500
To:  huvz@sprintmail.com
From: huvz@sprintmail.com
Subject:  Honda Urban Express Deluxe


I have two matched bikes. One has 2,800 mi. the other 1,300 mi.
 Both are in showroom condition, have good tires, and clear titles.
   Carbs recently had service kits installed w/ new needle valves, etc.
 Electric start, turn signals, everything in working order.
 1983 NU-50   50cc	automatic	  1,000 for pair  or 550 each.
 Located northern Ohio				   bikes@cyberdude.com
 Scott H



Date:  Sun, 01 Mar 1998 22:12:16 -0400 (EDT)
To:  Andrei Zaitsev 
From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject:  stopped by a cops


Saturday night at 11:30 pm, I was on my way to WHite Castle to get
something to eat for me and by buddies. Behind me, it seemed as if someone
was flashing their brights at me-in a matter of seconds I could see blue
and red in the flashers and it was a cop car-signalling me to pull over.

Hoo-boy, fear is running through my mind, I couldn't think of why I was
being pulled over- I was in right lane and actually going pretty slowly.
It's a two lane road so if people want to pass me they can. There's no
breakdown lane so I have to ride in the right hand lane.

I'm wearing a ski mask, so I get off the bike and pull down my goggles and
ski mask so the cop can see my face=otherwise I probably look like a
crazed terrorist. Two cops get out, the driver is a male and the passenger
is a female. I hit the kill switch on my bike and ask what's up. The male
asks if my mike is registered and I point to the plate on the back of the
bike-he tells me that doesn't mean anything and the female asks me for my
licence registration and insurance card.

I pull out my wallet and two of the three are in  different pockets and I
hand them to the male cop. He looks at them and with some surprise says,
oh very good. The female asks where's my insurance and I say it doesn't
need any and she replies very angrily-what do you mean it doesn't need
any? I say because its class C and proceed to point this out on the
registration. The male cop stops me and says that I'm free to go. Before
they leave I ask why was I stopped and they say 9 times out of 10 these
things aren't registered and are probably stolen.

This is in a way a mixed blessing, sure it's an inconvenience but at the
same time I guess if my moped were stolen, there's a better chance of it
being recovered than if it were a car.

In my 5 years on Long Island, I've seen 3 mopeds-two of them are mine and
the other one belonged to one of you on the list who called me for parts.
I haven't seen the 10 mopeds the cop was talking about-we don't have any
moped dealers on the Island-only parts people.

Ah well, nothing lost except about 5 minutes of my life.

Michael Liu



Date:  Sun, 01 Mar 1998 22:17:28 -0500
To:  huvz@sprintmail.com
From: huvz@sprintmail.com
Subject:  '77 Honda Express


I have a yellow Honda Express NC-50 50cc. New rings installed, starts
on first kick. No title, will sell for $250. Very nice condition.
Located northern Ohio.		 bikes@cyberdude.com
Note: this bike has NO pedals



Date:  Mon, 02 Mar 1998 16:02:43 +0000
To:  johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
From: johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:54:48 -0800
> To:  agner@erols.com
> From: agner@erols.com
> Subject:	Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]
>
Here in Britain you can start on mopeds at 16, and cars and motorcyles
50cc to 125cc at 17. For all motorised two wheelers you need to take
basic training before you can take to the road. Most of the concern here
is how you make youngsters more responsible in the five minutes between
them passing their tests and taking their first drive with a car full of
friends???????

While I feel 17 is a reasonable age for starting to drive cars and more
powerful bikes, I think the system they have in some parts of europe of
youngsters starting to ride mopeds at 14 is better. However I have no
statistics to know if they have lower two wheel accident statistics, but
my gut feeling is that it is good for youngsters to learn roadcraft on
mopeds.

Anyone know if two wheelers are safer in France and Belgium then
elsewhere, as this may help our american friends in their fight to stop
this restrictive legislation.

All the best,

John



Date:  Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:13:58 -0600
To:  "'Andrei Zaitsev'" 
From: mathisj@william.jewell.edu
Subject:  Foxi moped


This past weekend I met a guy who said he owned a Foxi moped made in The
Netherlands.
Has anyone heard of or got any information on this moped?
Thanks



Date:  Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:41:05 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: PedAction@aol.com
Subject:  Re: stopped by a cops


good story Mike!



Date:  Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:18:39 -0500
To:  chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject:  Re: stopped by cops


> Hoo-boy, fear is running through my mind, I couldn't think of why I was being pulled over- I was in right lane and actually going pretty slowly.
haha! you basically know you've done nothing wrong and still you're
scared; i know all about that. the big car with two cops standing around
little you does that. (but goggles and a ski mask?!)
>he tells me that the palte doesn't mean anything
no car on the highway with plates means anything then either.
>proceed to point this out on the registration.
some kind of wise ass, are you?
> I ask why was I stopped and they say 9 times out of 10 these
> things aren't registered and are probably stolen.
and here in central va, theyre the last motor vehicle the town drunk
uses to get around with. not regsitered yes, stolen hardly. even a
bicycle would be smarter thing to steal.



Date:  Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:24:27 -0500
To:  chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject:  Re: frustrations


> i'm working on a 74 hercules with a sachs engine. but when i went to start it this year it wouldn't go.  i narrowed the problem down to timing and readjusted it.
> sometimes it would start, but when i rode it, it would quit by the time it
> got up to 25mph.	sometimes it would start no problem.
> can anyone give me any advice on what my problem might be?

dunno, it could be cruddy old mix gumming up the works (my weedeater
does this every year)- cuz either theres a spark or not. sounds more
like a gas prob. whats the color of the plug?
by the way, is this a two speed m5 or an automatic?



Date:  Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:37:45 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject:  Re: PEUGEOT "TSM"


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Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Sun, 01 Mar 1998 22:08:55 -0500
> To:  huvz@sprintmail.com
> From: huvz@sprintmail.com
> Subject:	PEUGEOT "TSM"
>
> I recently got a	1980 Pugeot  (TSM-U3 on the serial no. plate).
>  The side covers have the letters TSM on them.
>  Has anyone had any experience with this bike? It looks really cool, and
> has low miles. I haven't rode it yet, but am anxious to hear it run.
>  The swing arm is attatched well forward of the seatpost, and the motor
> actuall is hung using the swing arm bolt. .. Hmmm....interesting.
>
> A source for technical manuals would be nice also.
>  Thanks
>  Scott H
Does it look anything like this?
/d/moped/mop-peugeottsn.jpg



Date:  Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:40:15 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject:  Re: stopped by a cops


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Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Sun, 01 Mar 1998 22:12:16 -0400 (EDT)
> To:  Andrei Zaitsev 
> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
> Subject:	stopped by a cops
>
> Saturday night at 11:30 pm, I was on my way to WHite Castle to get
> something to eat for me and by buddies. Behind me, it seemed as if someone
> was flashing their brights at me-in a matter of seconds I could see blue
> and red in the flashers and it was a cop car-signalling me to pull over.
>
> Hoo-boy, fear is running through my mind, I couldn't think of why I was
> being pulled over- I was in right lane and actually going pretty slowly.
> It's a two lane road so if people want to pass me they can. There's no
> breakdown lane so I have to ride in the right hand lane.
>
> I'm wearing a ski mask, so I get off the bike and pull down my goggles and
> ski mask so the cop can see my face=otherwise I probably look like a
> crazed terrorist. Two cops get out, the driver is a male and the passenger
> is a female. I hit the kill switch on my bike and ask what's up. The male
> asks if my mike is registered and I point to the plate on the back of the
> bike-he tells me that doesn't mean anything and the female asks me for my
> licence registration and insurance card.
>
> I pull out my wallet and two of the three are in	different pockets and I
> hand them to the male cop. He looks at them and with some surprise says,
> oh very good. The female asks where's my insurance and I say it doesn't
> need any and she replies very angrily-what do you mean it doesn't need
> any? I say because its class C and proceed to point this out on the
> registration. The male cop stops me and says that I'm free to go. Before
> they leave I ask why was I stopped and they say 9 times out of 10 these
> things aren't registered and are probably stolen.
>
> This is in a way a mixed blessing, sure it's an inconvenience but at the
> same time I guess if my moped were stolen, there's a better chance of it
> being recovered than if it were a car.
>
> In my 5 years on Long Island, I've seen 3 mopeds-two of them are mine and
> the other one belonged to one of you on the list who called me for parts.
> I haven't seen the 10 mopeds the cop was talking about-we don't have any
> moped dealers on the Island-only parts people.
>
> Ah well, nothing lost except about 5 minutes of my life.
>
> Michael Liu
Don't feel bad. They do it in Europe too, as you can see on the attached
"takedown" picture.
/d/moped/mop-takedown.jpg



Date:  Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:15:48 -0500
To:  Libertybell7@earthlink.net
From: Libertybell7@earthlink.net
Subject:  Moped list


Hi Andre,	I had a fella call me up from California and he said that he
found a 1977 vintage dutch moped in a garage  and it had 33 miles on
it.  I mentioned your mailing list and he seemed interested.  His email
is Mike.pearlman@cmix.xom	Thanks alot   Mike Burch.  Oh yeah,  I still
owe you that story about the russian taxi driver and his tow truck
buddy... :-).  Best wishes..   Mike Burch



Date:  Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:19:29 -0500
To:  Libertybell7@earthlink.net
From: Libertybell7@earthlink.net
Subject:  Re: frustrations




Moped Mailing List wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date:  Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:44:17 -0500 (EST)
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: will@river.netrover.com
> Subject:	frustrations
>
> i'm working on a 74 hercules with a sachs engine.  it ran great all last
> year (put about 200 miles on it).  but when i went to start it this year it
> wouldn't go.  i narrowed the problem down to timing and readjusted it.
> sometimes it would start, but when i rode it, it would quit by the time it
> got up to 25mph.	sometimes it would start no problem.  i've also snapped 2
> woodruff keys in the process.
> can anyone give me any advice on what my problem might be?
> thanks
> gord...

  Hi Gord,	 what were the woodruff keys for?	Was it the magneto?  Thanks
Mike



Date:  Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:14:37 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Big96Air@aol.com
Subject:  PUCH seals


I own a 1980 puch maxi sport and almost all the seals are broken and i was
wondering if anyone knew where i could buy a seal kit that has all the seals
on the puch moped.......
I went to a motorcycle shop and they had 5 puch mopeds laying in the back. i
was wondering if the pistons would still work after all that time sitting
there outside ,i need a piston really bad,but dont want to spend the money on
the new one.I think i might buy 3 of the puchs for parts,what do you think i
should offer for these peds in bad condition.THANKS....................EMAIL
ME WITH ANY INFO YOU MIGHT HAVE......



PUCH RULES PUCH RULES PUCH RULES PUCH RULES PUCH RULES PUCH RULES ......



Date:  Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:50:11 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Samurai29@aol.com
Subject:  Re: stopped by a cops


In a message dated 98-03-02 17:38:13 EST, you write:

<< Subj:	 stopped by a cops
 Date:	98-03-02 17:38:13 EST
 From:	daugava@nothnbut.net (Andrei Zaitsev)
 Reply-to:	daugava@nothnbut.net
 To:	daugava@nothnbut.net (Moped Mailing List)

 *************************************************
 Date:	Sun, 01 Mar 1998 22:12:16 -0400 (EDT)
 To:  Andrei Zaitsev 
 From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
 Subject:  stopped by a cops


 Saturday night at 11:30 pm, I was on my way to WHite Castle to get
 something to eat for me and by buddies. Behind me, it seemed as if someone
 was flashing their brights at me-in a matter of seconds I could see blue
 and red in the flashers and it was a cop car-signalling me to pull over.

 Hoo-boy, fear is running through my mind, I couldn't think of why I was
 being pulled over- I was in right lane and actually going pretty slowly.
 It's a two lane road so if people want to pass me they can. There's no
 breakdown lane so I have to ride in the right hand lane.

 I'm wearing a ski mask, so I get off the bike and pull down my goggles and
 ski mask so the cop can see my face=otherwise I probably look like a
 crazed terrorist. Two cops get out, the driver is a male and the passenger
 is a female. I hit the kill switch on my bike and ask what's up. The male
 asks if my mike is registered and I point to the plate on the back of the
 bike-he tells me that doesn't mean anything and the female asks me for my
 licence registration and insurance card.

 I pull out my wallet and two of the three are in  different pockets and I
 hand them to the male cop. He looks at them and with some surprise says,
 oh very good. The female asks where's my insurance and I say it doesn't
 need any and she replies very angrily-what do you mean it doesn't need
 any? I say because its class C and proceed to point this out on the
 registration. The male cop stops me and says that I'm free to go. Before
 they leave I ask why was I stopped and they say 9 times out of 10 these
 things aren't registered and are probably stolen.

 This is in a way a mixed blessing, sure it's an inconvenience but at the
 same time I guess if my moped were stolen, there's a better chance of it
 being recovered than if it were a car.

 In my 5 years on Long Island, I've seen 3 mopeds-two of them are mine and
 the other one belonged to one of you on the list who called me for parts.
 I haven't seen the 10 mopeds the cop was talking about-we don't have any
 moped dealers on the Island-only parts people.

 Ah well, nothing lost except about 5 minutes of my life.

 Michael Liu




A few days ago i was pulled over by at cop at a check point he asjed for my
licence and insuance, then he started to write me a ticket because i had no
insurence, i thought the cop would know that you dont need it so it let him go
on then when he asked me to sign it i said that mopeds don'r need it so he
Checked with the DMV etc. i was laughing at him inside but i think he saw me.
boy was he pissed for wasing a ticket



Date:  Mon, 02 Mar 1998 22:11:25 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: brian@gdi.net
Subject:  Moped Trailers?


Does anyone know a place that sells trailers or something
that can be used to carry a bunch of stuff like groceries on a
moped?



Date:  Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:05:21 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: MrezPete@aol.com
Subject:  Re: Honda Urban Express Deluxe


I have two matched bikes. One has 2,800 mi. the other 1,300 mi.
 Both are in showroom condition, have good tires, and clear titles.
   Carbs recently had service kits installed w/ new needle valves, etc.
 Electric start, turn signals, everything in working order.
 1983 NU-50   50cc	automatic	  1,000 for pair  or 550 each.
 Located northern Ohio				   bikes@cyberdude.com
 Scott H
Dear Sir,
What is the difference between a Honda Urban Express Deluxe and a Honda
Express? Is it worth to spend the extra money to buy the Urban Express Deluxe?
I want a moped very much and would like to no.
Thank you.
Peter Robertson
Mrezpete@aol.com



Date:  Tue, 03 Mar 1998 01:46:07 -0600
To:  sjcole@sound.net
From: sjcole@sound.net
Subject:  Derbi Parts


Hello to everyone on the list
I have been watching the list for over a month now waiting for someone
to mention Derbi mopeds, the only thing I have seen is the mention of
the newer models. I am looking for parts for my 1979 Derbi Variant. I
need a rear brake cable and the long skinny foot rests for each side. If
anyone on here knows where I can get these parts for a reasonable price
PLEASE... PLEASE let me know. I also have a friend who is trying to sell
and old Honda express that doesn't run if anyone is intrested, it's in
pretty bad shape though.
Later
Jason Cole, Warrensburg Missouri



Date:  Tue, 3 Mar 1998 02:57:58 +0100
To:  "Peter Staal" 
From: staal@westbrabant.net
Subject:  Re: frustrations


could be old oil residue in the carb holes too...
it'll wash out soon, or possible a moist condensor in the ignition (big
sparks betwwn points and some banging when picking up rpm)..
who knows..
Peter.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Andrei Zaitsev 
Aan: Moped Mailing List 
Datum: maandag 2 maart 1998 23:13
Onderwerp: frustrations


>*************************************************
>Date:	Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:44:17 -0500 (EST)
>To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: will@river.netrover.com
>Subject:  frustrations
>
>
>i'm working on a 74 hercules with a sachs engine.  it ran great all last
>year (put about 200 miles on it).	but when i went to start it this year it
>wouldn't go.  i narrowed the problem down to timing and readjusted it.
>sometimes it would start, but when i rode it, it would quit by the time it
>got up to 25mph.  sometimes it would start no problem.  i've also snapped 2
>woodruff keys in the process.
>can anyone give me any advice on what my problem might be?
>thanks
>gord...
>
>
>



Date:  Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:42:24 +0100
To:  
From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject:  Re: PEUGEOT "TSM"


Hello,
At 11:43 2-03-98 -0500, you wrote:
>From: huvz@sprintmail.com
>Subject:  PEUGEOT "TSM"
>
>
>I recently got a  1980 Pugeot	(TSM-U3 on the serial no. plate).
> The side covers have the letters TSM on them.
> Has anyone had any experience with this bike? It looks really cool, and
>has low miles. I haven't rode it yet, but am anxious to hear it run.
> The swing arm is attatched well forward of the seatpost, and the motor
>actuall is hung using the swing arm bolt. .. Hmmm....interesting.
>
>A source for technical manuals would be nice also.
> Thanks
> Scott H

Do you have a picture online? This particular code does not ring any bells
to me..
All 102/3/4/5 models have their swing-arm pivot under the gas tank.
I work at a Peugeot dealer in the Netherlands, perhaps I can find something
for you..

Cheers,



Hans Hartman



Date:  Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:53:19 +0100
To:  
From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject:  Re: frustrations


Hello,
At 11:43 2-03-98 -0500, you wrote:
>From: will@river.netrover.com
>Subject:  frustrations
>
>
>i'm working on a 74 hercules with a sachs engine.  it ran great all last
>year (put about 200 miles on it).	but when i went to start it this year it
>wouldn't go.  i narrowed the problem down to timing and readjusted it.
>sometimes it would start, but when i rode it, it would quit by the time it
>got up to 25mph.  sometimes it would start no problem.  i've also snapped 2
>woodruff keys in the process.
>can anyone give me any advice on what my problem might be?

Well, first elaborate on breaking those woodruff keys. I can't think of any
way to break those, other then brutal force in tightening the nut while
holding the flywheel. One thing is for sure, I'd lose armwrestling of you...

If you've managed to break the keys, it wouldn't suprise me one bit if you
did move the crankshaft halves in the process.

This would not cause you're complaint though. Leaking crankshaft oil-seals
will do that for one, as does a (partly) blocked main jet. Another thing
these mopeds sometimes had, was the ignition coil giving trouble, this
would typically occur if the moped got on temperature.

Cheers,



Hans Hartman



Date:  03 Mar 97 20:49:39 +0000
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: zac.beeston@trak-one.co.uk
Subject:  [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]


Hi,
 AZ> Here in Britain you can start on mopeds at 16, and cars and
 AZ> motorcyles 50cc to 125cc at 17. For all motorised two
 AZ> wheelers you need to take basic training before you can take
 AZ> to the road. Most of the concern here is how you make
 AZ> youngsters more responsible in the five minutes between them
 AZ> passing their tests and taking their first drive with a car
 AZ> full of friends???????
I've heard that the age for cars is going to be raised to 18 in April -
probably part of Labours traffic cutting targets or something. Lowering the age
for mopeds to 14 seems OK in rural / sub-urban environments but is it sensible
in places like Westminster :) ? Anyway, bfn!

Zac
www.merseyworld.com/imagine/
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Date:  Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:06:18 +0100
To:  
From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject:  Re: Foxi moped


Hello,
At 20:45 3-03-98 EST, you wrote:
>*************************************************
>Date:	Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:13:58 -0600
>To:  "'Andrei Zaitsev'" 
>From: mathisj@william.jewell.edu
>Subject:  Foxi moped
>
>This past weekend I met a guy who said he owned a Foxi moped made in The
>Netherlands.
>Has anyone heard of or got any information on this moped?

I live in The Netherlands and never heard of it. I think I should know the
brand if it were to be Dutch.
It could be that Foxi is the name of a type, not the brand of the thing.
Pictures might help identifying....


Cheers,



Hans Hartman



Date:  Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:39:01 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject:  Re: Honda Urban Express Deluxe


 Electric start.   Larger battery. Turn signals. Carrier rack on front.
 I also have a urban express ( not deluxe) of the same year, but not in as
nice condition.
 I went to the bike shop the other day. For 1,099 you can buy a chinese
scooter 50cc. ( csea).
  You can get two of these beauties for less than that.
 Scott H



Date:  Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:39:30 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: MOPEDMOPED@aol.com
Subject:  Re: Foxi moped


In a message dated 98-03-03 23:03:31 EST, you write:
From: mathisj@william.jewell.edu
<< This past weekend I met a guy who said he owned a Foxi moped made in The
 Netherlands.
 Has anyone heard of or got any information on this moped?
 Thanks
  >>
Reply: From Steve's Moped and Bicycle World Inc. The Foxi Moped is made in
Tiawan with the motor made by Sachs of other famous moped brands. Is very
closley resembles the General Moped. I have all the parts for this moped.
											 Best Regards:
															 Steve Hassa
President
															 Steve's Moped &
Bicycle World Inc.
															  40 Park Avenue
Dumont NJ 07628
															 ph(201)384-7777
fAX(201)384-7831
															E-MAIL
MOPEDMOPED@AOL.COM
web page with hi-performance parts		  http://members.aol.com/mopedmoped/




Date:  Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:40:34 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject:  Re: Derbi Parts


 I have a couple Derbi Variant mopeds I can get parts from. I will check for
the parts you need.
 Steve's moped in Dumont NJ. can help you with parts as well.
Scott H



Date:  Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:42:21 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject:  Re: PEUGEOT "TSM"


Thanks Hans,
 I will have this bike back together in a week or so. I will scan  pic and
send it to you.
 It is Pearl white, w/ top tank and side covers.
Scott H



Date:  Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:58:11 -0500
To:  chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject:  Re: frustrations


chris loewl wrote:
>
> > peter wrote:
> > could be old oil residue in the carb holes too...
> > it'll wash out soon,
> > or possible a moist condensor in the ignition  big sparks between points and some banging when picking up rpm..
>
> which would make it a condensATOR - (sorry)
> but yeah, a cracked distributor cap on a car with moisture inside would
> do the same, namely whatever it felt like: start okay, then not start,
> sputter, conk out in low rpm, etc. as hans said a bad coil would leave
> you at a certain temp.



Date:  Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:54:34 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject:  Re: PEUGEOT "TSM"


I couldnt retrieve the address. But saw a TSA in the moped museum that is very
close.



Date:  Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:58:58 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: MOPEDMOPED@aol.com
Subject:  Re: PEUGEOT "TSM"


 > Subject:  PEUGEOT "TSM"
 >
 > I recently got a  1980 Pugeot  (TSM-U3 on the serial no. plate).
 >	The side covers have the letters TSM on them.
 >	Has anyone had any experience with this bike? It looks really cool, and
 > has low miles. I haven't rode it yet, but am anxious to hear it run.
 >	The swing arm is attatched well forward of the seatpost, and the motor
 > actuall is hung using the swing arm bolt. .. Hmmm....interesting.
 >
 > A source for technical manuals would be nice also.
 >	Thanks
 >	Scott H
 *****************************************************************************
**
Reply From: Steve's Moped & Bicycle World .
We have sold over 1,000 Peugeot Mopeds from 1976 to 1984. They are one of the
fastest mopeds around. The variautor  automatic belt drive transmission really
gives the moped great speed and acceleration. I have shipped Scott a high
performance piston and cylinder and some parts just the other day for his
Peugeot project. I cant wait to hear the results after the moped is completed.
If you remove the long exhaust system  and header pipe from the TSM and put on
the Peugeot 103 small black under mount exhaust system with out the inner
baffle you will pick up 5 to 7mph with minimal increase in exhaust noise. The
gain is produced because the exhaust does not flow the legnth of the bike on
the long upswept exhaust system. Instead it only has to flow through 3" of
header and through 8" of expansion chamber.   All of the Peugeot parts and
manuals are in stock. So remember to keep those classic mopeds on the road.
												 Best Regards:
															 Steve Hassa
President
															 Steve's Moped &
Bicycle World Inc.
															  40 Park Avenue
Dumont NJ 07628
															 ph(201)384-7777
fAX(201)384-7831
															E-MAIL
MOPEDMOPED@AOL.COM
														   http://members.aol.
com/mopedmoped




Date:  Wed, 04 Mar 1998 09:45:53 -0500
To:  laurinj@videotron.ca
From: laurinj@videotron.ca
Subject:  Re: Foxi moped


> This past weekend I met a guy who said he owned a Foxi moped made in The
> Netherlands.
> Has anyone heard of or got any information on this moped?
> Thanks

  Foxi moped wasn't made in the Netherlands but in United states by a
company named United moped. She had a Sachs engine that why the guy you met
probably thought she was made in Netherlands.



Date:  Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:13:34 -0500
To:  chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject:  tuning


the technical, safety and legal pro and cons of tuning have been
discussed at length, heres an item from another perspective (and
country).
readers in europe have probably heard of the german biker comic "werner"
based on the real life-adventures of several two-wheel tuners in
northern germany.
they started tuning mopeds, drove around without licenses, insurance,
intoxicated on illegal, outlandish contraptions welded and pieced
together stylishly but without regard to the laws of physics - and the
law in physical form.
they paid dearly for their follies but wouldn't quit, having graduated
from mopeds to motorcycles, automobiles, ice boats, etc.
one of the guys liked to draw and soon had his anti-cop, pro-beer work
published and bought by a large group of semi-illiterate kids rabid
about two-wheeled freedom. today, each new book tops the bestseller
lists, films have been made, "werner" is a rare merchandising goldmine
in its native country (not that it would happen again). and it all
started with a few mopeds.
it must be said that, say, a low rider with hydraulics, or a barris-type
hot rod would never, EVER be street legal over there; heck, a bike
without a bell is strictly against the law. however, or rather because
of this, law-abiding folks simply dig "werner" outwitting the cops while
drunk and causing mayhem, even if its only in the comic book. outlaws by
proxy, armchair rebels.
ok, so they're a little behind the times, we had our "freak brothers"
and "cheech and chong" in the 70s. same thing, different time. of
course, some now try to be werner at home, which you should not
("disclaim or get blamed" is our country's most recent motto) as bikers
are often "confused" with hells angels by the untrained eye.
anyway, the books offer some before and after pics, plus some that show
what a well-stocked moped shed should look like.

http://www.werner.de/.seiten/auszug-2.html

p.s. dont try to sell germans any comics, they'll just say "no, thanks.
we already have one"



Date:  Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:57:19 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: 6828t@bright.net
Subject:  Re: frustrations


Will I see that no one came up with the right reason for the keys braking!!!!!!!

The trouble is in your timing, The piston is firing to soon!!!!!!! With the
weight of the flywheel turning and the piston firing to early just think of the
stress that is putting on the key way. Better get the timing reset before you
lunch out the crank.... If it was running right before you change the timing
change it back to were it was before.. I would say that the trouble is in the
fuel, check your carb out again. When you put it back on check for air leaks the
jug and were your carb hooks to the manifold pipe, The electrical system won't
change from just setting!!!!!! ((((Ok everybody out there take a shoot at this
and tell me were I am wrong))))!!!!!
Thank You
Bob Taylor

Moped Mailing List wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date:  Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:53:19 +0100
> To:  
> From: hansn@xs4all.nl
> Subject:  Re: frustrations
>
> Hello,
> At 11:43 2-03-98 -0500, you wrote:
> >From: will@river.netrover.com
> >Subject:  frustrations
> >
> >
> >i'm working on a 74 hercules with a sachs engine.  it ran great all last
> >year (put about 200 miles on it).  but when i went to start it this year it
> >wouldn't go.  i narrowed the problem down to timing and readjusted it.
> >sometimes it would start, but when i rode it, it would quit by the time it
> >got up to 25mph.  sometimes it would start no problem.  i've also snapped 2
> >woodruff keys in the process.
> >can anyone give me any advice on what my problem might be?
>
> Well, first elaborate on breaking those woodruff keys. I can't think of any
> way to break those, other then brutal force in tightening the nut while
> holding the flywheel. One thing is for sure, I'd lose armwrestling of you...
>
> If you've managed to break the keys, it wouldn't suprise me one bit if you
> did move the crankshaft halves in the process.
>
> This would not cause you're complaint though. Leaking crankshaft oil-seals
> will do that for one, as does a (partly) blocked main jet. Another thing
> these mopeds sometimes had, was the ignition coil giving trouble, this
> would typically occur if the moped got on temperature.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans Hartman

 



Date:  Thu, 05 Mar 1998 08:58:34 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: pinhead@ufl.edu
Subject:  Looking for a carbeurator


A friend of mine on another mailing list recently asked me a moped
related question which I can't help him with.

(and yes, I gave him this address)

He has a Motori Minerelli on which the carb is literally falling apart
(pot metal crumbling away). It is a Solex carb, but he didn't have the
numbers for me.

Web searches have turned up nothing useful.

Does anyone know where a replacement carb can be found for this bike?

											  -=>Joe Perez<=-
										   -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=-



Date:  Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:27:36 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com
Subject:  Re: frustrations


In a message dated 98-03-04 23:53:44 EST, you write:

>><< Will I see that no one came up with the right reason for the keys
braking!!!!!!!

 >>The trouble is in your timing, The piston is firing to soon!

i doubt that. I have never broken flywheel	keys due to timing problems. I
once plugged the spark plug wires in the wrong sequence on a twin cylinder
outboard and never even sheared flywheel keys that way. if the keyway is
damaged in any way that could cause it. the only time i've ever broken keys
was when i didnt have the flywheel nut tight enough. make sure it's torqued
down to spec.

david






Date:  Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:44:36 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject:  Here we go again


I am about to bring my beloved Tomos out of winter storage and need a fix for
an unsolved problem from last year.  After running for a longish period of
time (15-20min) at full or near-full throttle, the engine sputters to a stop
if I let off the gas to slow down while entering town.	I believe the problem
is temp. related because if I "baby" the 'ped, or don't go far, she runs fine.
Main suspect right now is the coil, because I checked, and there is no spark
after the engine quits.  Necessary Data:  (1) If left to cool for approx. 10
min it starts again and runs fine  (2) It is a 1996 Targa LX with a little
over 1200Km (3) It has the ISKRA ignition system (4) Fuel system has been
checked, flow is fine, and the vent in the gas cap is open (5) If I don't let
off the gas, the 'ped keep running fine.

Thanks
Aaron Meyer
"Love when you can, cry when you have to, be who you must, it's a part of the
plan."
	(Dan Fogelberg, 'Part of the Plan' from the album "Souvenirs")



Date:	Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:25:41 -1000
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: jeffreyf@hawaii.edu
Subject:  Puch Magnum MKII Limited



Aloha from Hawaii!

Wanted: Fairing for Puch Magnum MKII Limited.  Color: Ivory with red
"PUCH" on front.

Thanks,

Jeff
jeffreyf@hawaii.edu



Date:  Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:31:10 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: FuBux68@aol.com
Subject:  Re: "Moped Digest"  #94


If you got any good info on the TOMOS Targa LX please mail me at FuBu x68
thank you



Date:  Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:14:32 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: SearsPucher@webtv.net
Subject:  Re: frustrations


Hey Bob, You spelled WHERE wrong!
 Besides that it sounds like your right on the money. Great Job!!!

I'm Gone !!!!!!!!!!



Date:  Sat, 7 Mar 1998 19:22:06 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: SPOT1717@aol.com
Subject:  puch saddle bag


Hello,
I was wondering if PUCH ever made a saddle bag?do you know where i could find
one...........THANK YOU..........




.........PUCH RULES PUCH RULES PUCH RULES PUCH RULES PUCH RULES PUCH
RULES.......



Date:  Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:09:28 -0800 (PST)
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: tbase_98@yahoo.com
Subject:  Parts i.e. headlights,etc


Hello,

I have recently purchased a Lazer 50 moped. I need a horn a GE 4667 6v
headlight and a few other items can you please help. By the way it
only has 74miles on it so it brand new.

Thanks




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Date:  Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:27:41 -0600 (CST)
To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
From: cyclepro@evansville.net
Subject:  Re: Here we go again


Check for wore out or broken piston rings.



Date:  Mon, 09 Mar 1998 10:56:48 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject:  Re: Here we go again


As simplistic it may sound, you probably have either a bad plug (wrong heatrange)
or low quality premix oil that breaks down. Try the NGK  B6HS spark plug and some
top quality synthetic 2-stroke oil, like Optic or Redline.
PA

Moped Mailing List wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:44:36 EST
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: AaronM428@aol.com
> Subject:	Here we go again
>
> I am about to bring my beloved Tomos out of winter storage and need a fix for
> an unsolved problem from last year.  After running for a longish period of
> time (15-20min) at full or near-full throttle, the engine sputters to a stop
> if I let off the gas to slow down while entering town.  I believe the problem
> is temp. related because if I "baby" the 'ped, or don't go far, she runs fine.
> Main suspect right now is the coil, because I checked, and there is no spark
> after the engine quits.  Necessary Data:	(1) If left to cool for approx. 10
> min it starts again and runs fine  (2) It is a 1996 Targa LX with a little
> over 1200Km (3) It has the ISKRA ignition system (4) Fuel system has been
> checked, flow is fine, and the vent in the gas cap is open (5) If I don't let
> off the gas, the 'ped keep running fine.
>
> Thanks
> Aaron Meyer
> "Love when you can, cry when you have to, be who you must, it's a part of the
> plan."
>	  (Dan Fogelberg, 'Part of the Plan' from the album "Souvenirs")





Date:  Mon, 09 Mar 1998 20:01:44 +0100
To:  
From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject:  Re: frustrations


At 15:48 8-03-98 -0500, you wrote:
>From: SUPRDAVE@aol.com
>Subject:  Re: frustrations
>
Hello mopedeers,

In a message dated 98-03-04 23:53:44 EST, David wrote:

>>><< Will I see that no one came up with the right reason for the keys
>braking!!!!!!!
>
> >>The trouble is in your timing, The piston is firing to soon!
>
>i doubt that. I have never broken flywheel  keys due to timing problems. I
>once plugged the spark plug wires in the wrong sequence on a twin cylinder
>outboard and never even sheared flywheel keys that way. if the keyway is
>damaged in any way that could cause it. the only time i've ever broken keys
>was when i didnt have the flywheel nut tight enough. make sure it's torqued
>down to spec.

You're right Dave, I did adjust my mopeds utterly wrong in the beginning,
causing them to run backwards!
I don't think you can get them more wrong then that :-)
Never broke a key too, and by God, did I screw up sometimes....
Brutal force is my gues, or a flywheel nut not tightened down properly, if
the key groove in the flywheel and/or crankshaft is damaged, it will break
keys all the time. Check the free play of the key in the crankshaft and
look in the flywheel hole to check if the key groove is still intact.

This problem can only be solved by replacing crankshaft/flywheel/woodruff
key I'm afraid...



Cheers



Hans Hartman



Date:  Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:29:51 -0600 (CST)
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: revasque@students.uiuc.edu
Subject:  WTB: Honda Passport


Yesterday I had the opportunity to buy an '81 Passport that was in decent
condition except that it wasn't running (owner claimed it just had a dead
battery)  I really liked how it looked but wasn't going to pay more than
$100 for it without seeing it running first, and the guy wouldn't even
budge from his $350 asking price (what a joke, the thing had 5800 miles on
it)  Anyway if anyone in the midwest or in northern California is willing
to part with one for cheap that runs well let me know.	Are there any
other comparable mopeds I should be looking for?  I'd love to get an
imported bike but don't want to spend more than $600-700.  Any help is
appreciated.

-Rudy (yes, I'm a newbie)



Date:  Mon, 09 Mar 1998 16:21:56 -0400 (EDT)
To:  <199803040405.WAA27886@shell.nothnbut.net>
From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject:  Re: PUCH seals


I paid $150 for a broken Pook. Another dealer asked $125 for another
broken one. One of the guys on the list bought one for $25. My new ones
were $150 and $425. The $150 I bought from a guy who had it in his garage
for 20 years, the $425 I bought from a dealer.

It's all supply and demand-you have found a supply, now it's up to you to
find a good price. He could easily partsall the broken ones for $500, but
it's a matter of finding people to buy them. DOn't be surprised if he
wants $100/bike. But then again, you can offer $150 for the whole lot and
he may say yes-good luck.

Seals can be purchased from:

mopedmoped, tomostomos, or andover

all the above at aol.com-you should go new with these items.

Michael Liu

On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Moped Mailing List wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date:  Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:14:37 EST
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Big96Air@aol.com
> Subject:	PUCH seals
>
>
> I own a 1980 puch maxi sport and almost all the seals are broken and i was
> wondering if anyone knew where i could buy a seal kit that has all the seals
> on the puch moped.......
> I went to a motorcycle shop and they had 5 puch mopeds laying in the back. i
> was wondering if the pistons would still work after all that time sitting
> there outside ,i need a piston really bad,but dont want to spend the money on
> the new one.I think i might buy 3 of the puchs for parts,what do you think i
> should offer for these peds in bad condition.THANKS....................EMAIL
> ME WITH ANY INFO YOU MIGHT HAVE......
>
>
>
> PUCH RULES PUCH RULES PUCH RULES PUCH RULES PUCH RULES PUCH RULES ......
>
>
>



Date:  Mon, 09 Mar 1998 22:46:26 +0100
To:  
From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject:  Re: Here we go again


Hello mopedeers,
At 15:48 8-03-98 -0500, Aaron wrote:
>Subject:  Here we go again
>
>
>I am about to bring my beloved Tomos out of winter storage and need a fix for
>an unsolved problem from last year.  After running for a longish period of
>time (15-20min) at full or near-full throttle, the engine sputters to a stop
>if I let off the gas to slow down while entering town.  I believe the problem
>is temp. related because if I "baby" the 'ped, or don't go far, she runs
fine.
>Main suspect right now is the coil, because I checked, and there is no spark
>after the engine quits.  Necessary Data:  (1) If left to cool for approx. 10
>min it starts again and runs fine	(2) It is a 1996 Targa LX with a little
>over 1200Km (3) It has the ISKRA ignition system (4) Fuel system has been
>checked, flow is fine, and the vent in the gas cap is open (5) If I don't let
>off the gas, the 'ped keep running fine.

Having a Iskra ignition, I suspect your HT-coil. If you got the electronic
ignition, there are two sorts of HT-coils available for that particular
ignition.
One has the number 16-745-045 molded on the side and is partnumber:
229.445, if this one was standard, replace it with one that has the number
16-745-085 on the side, partnumber 230.336.
This works out fine over here.
Meanwhile Tomos fitted yet another (ISKRA) ignition system on it's latest
models, which is a star-shaped set of coils, which is in use with scooters
and motorcycles for ages...
This brings the total of different ignitions used by Tomos to a hefty seven
or eight brands or types!!
I wish they'd find a good one, and stuck with it for a few years...
Brands used up untill now: Bosch 1, CEV 1, Ducati 1, IDM 1 and ISKRA 4

It will be passed warranty by now I'm afraid.. Could you mail me the price
of this HT-coil (230.336) in the US?

Cheers,





Hans Hartman



Date:  Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:13:41 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Gokartridr@aol.com
Subject:  Re: Here we go again


I had the same exact problem when i first bought my tomos 91' golden bullet.
Im almost shure it is the coil because before i got a new one it sucked and
sputtered out but now with the new one it takes a simple kick on the petal to
fire up.

Nathan...<>



Date:  Mon, 09 Mar 1998 20:00:05 -0600
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: richt@mb.sympatico.ca
Subject:  1961 peugeot sport moped


I have a 1961 peugeot sport moped either 4 sale or maybe some can help
me locate parts or a repair manual so i can restore this unit.

ANDREW: Picture is at:
/d/moped/peugeot1-22.jpg



Date:  Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:37:39 +0100
To:  
From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject:  Re: Looking for a carbeurator


At 15:48 8-03-98 -0500, pinhead@ufl.edu wrote:

>From: pinhead@ufl.edu
>Subject:  Looking for a carbeurator

>He has a Motori Minerelli on which the carb is literally falling apart
>(pot metal crumbling away). It is a Solex carb, but he didn't have the
>numbers for me.

In what brand of moped is this engine fitted?

>Web searches have turned up nothing useful.
>
>Does anyone know where a replacement carb can be found for this bike?

Maybe a Dellorto or a Mikuni.. I'd have to know the model, year of
manufacture and such..


Cheers,



Hans Hartman



Date:  Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:21:40 -0500
To:  yes@mypad.com, Moped Mailing List 
From: ckoerner@motown.lmco.com
Subject:  Re: sachs suburban moped repair manual


You can subscribe to the moped mailing list by e-mailing a request to
Andrew at: daugava@nothnbut.net
You will find much help there regarding moped matters.
Chuck

yes@mypad.com wrote:

> Thank you for your message. I would like to know how I can join the
> moped list-serve. I would appreciate any positive feedback.
>
> On "03/10/98", "ckoerner@motown.lmco.com" wrote:
> >I do not have a sachs repair manual.
> >Chuck
> >
>
> ___________________________________________________
> Get Your Free Email at http://www.friendlyemail.com





Date:  Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:50:19 -0800
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: saabio@sprintmail.com
Subject:  Re: 1961 peugeot sport moped


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Mon, 09 Mar 1998 20:00:05 -0600
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: richt@mb.sympatico.ca
> Subject:	1961 peugeot sport moped
>
> I have a 1961 peugeot sport moped either 4 sale or maybe some can help
> me locate parts or a repair manual so i can restore this unit.
>
> Picture is at:
> /d/moped/peugeot1-22.jpg

If you are interested in selling, how much?  Where are you
located?



Date:  Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:28:11 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: SearsPucher@webtv.net
Subject:  Re: frustrations


 Take a good qualitty rotorary tool, a lot of patience, grind crank,
file flywheel, chase threads on crank, install oversized key, save
yourself bucks and alot more work. What have you got to loose?

I'm Gone !!!!!!!!!!



Date:  Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:15:14 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: MOPEDMOPED@aol.com
Subject:  Re: Parts i.e. headlights,etc


In a message dated 98-03-10 23:05:37 EST, you write:

<< From: tbase_98@yahoo.com
 Subject:  Parts i.e. headlights,etc


 Hello,

 I have recently purchased a Lazer 50 moped. I need a horn a GE 4667 6v
 headlight and a few other items can you please help. By the way it
 only has 74miles on it so it brand new.
  >>
I have all the Lazer 50 parts you can ever want.  I also have copies of owners
manuals, service manuals and much mush more. I know every single piece of you
moped as I was part of the proud testing and technical team for General and
Lazer Mopeds. I have everything.  Contact me for ant type of moped pate for
1969 to1998 mopeds.
 Best Regards:
															 Steve Hassa
President
															 Steve's Moped &
Bicycle World Inc.
															  40 Park Avenue
Dumont NJ 07628
															 ph(201)384-7777
fAX(201)384-7831
															E-MAIL
MOPEDMOPED@AOL.COM
														   http://members.aol.
com/mopedmoped



Date:  Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:29:36 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: MOPEDMOPED@aol.com
Subject:  Re: Here we go again


In a message dated 98-03-10 23:06:08 EST, you write:

<< From: AaronM428@aol.com
 > Subject:  Here we go again
 >
 > I am about to bring my beloved Tomos out of winter storage and need a fix
for
 > an unsolved problem from last year.	After running for a longish period of
 > time (15-20min) at full or near-full throttle, the engine sputters to a
stop
 > if I let off the gas to slow down while entering town.  I believe the
problem
 > is temp. related because if I "baby" the 'ped, or don't go far, she runs
fine.
 > Main suspect right now is the coil, because I checked, and there is no
spark
 > after the engine quits.	Necessary Data:  (1) If left to cool for approx.
10
 > min it starts again and runs fine  (2) It is a 1996 Targa LX with a little
 > over 1200Km (3) It has the ISKRA ignition system (4) Fuel system has been
 > checked, flow is fine, and the vent in the gas cap is open (5) If I don't
let
 > off the gas, the 'ped keep running fine.
 >
 > Thanks
 > Aaron Meyer >>
Dear Arron:  As you have mentioned you have an Irska ignition system and  the
moped loses spark when it heats up. The 1996 Tomos has an electronic ignition
system. I have personally had 10 out of aprox 60 Irska electronic system go
bad in the manner you describe. The problem will get worse. E-mail me your
date of purchase , mileage and the city and state you live in and I will see
if I can get some help for you. The large outer coil is usually never the
problem. It is the outer control box (black box).  If you have a freind with a
1996 to 1998 Tomos with electronic ignition simply swap black boxes as they
just plug in, then go for a long ride. This will determine if your ignition
module is the suspect. Remember to e-mail me as I am sure I will get your
moped running great.
Dear moped customer:

Thank you for your inquiry about Steve's Moped & Bicycle World Inc. 40 Park
Avenue Dumont  New Jersey 07628  USA Phone # (201)384-7777	Double click on
the highlighted text to  get to the sites or send e-mail.
E-mail address is :    
MOPEDMOPED
@
AOL.
COM     Faxes are (201)384-7831
  Steve's web page address is :
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://members.
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.
com
/
mopedmoped
Store Hours are Mon.& Fri. 10:30am to 7pm	  Tues.and Thurs.Till 8pm
Wed.10:30am to 5pm	Sat. 9:30 to 5pm.	Free color brochures available, please
ask.			Order parts by phone.
 We will mail you free of charge a business card, magnetic business card and
decal for you moped so you always have our number. Please put the sticker on
your moped so any one that has the moped can always get parts.	It is real
easy to remember mopedmoped@aol.com    We ship anywhere fast. UPS,	Federal
express and Priority mail most orders only $6.50 shipping.	You can get orders
by COD, money order or credit card. COD shipments are $5.00 more than credit
card orders. Order parts by phone during store hours.
Please contact us for any technical information on any aspects of mopeds and
bicycles and we will respond with the best tech. shop answers in the world.
You have found the most knowledgeable people and the best source of  mopeds,
moped parts and Hi-performance parts in the World. Steve's Moped and Bicycle
World Delivers anywhere and at the lowest prices.


Best Regards:

Steve H.















Date:  Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:01:05 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: MOPEDMOPED@aol.com
Subject:  Re: frustrations


In a message dated 98-03-10 23:06:34 EST, you write:<< Hello mopedeers,
 In a message dated 98-03-04 23:53:44 EST, David wrote:
 < Will I see that no one came up with the right reason for the
keys>braking!!!!!!! >
 > >>The trouble is in your timing, The piston is firing to soon!
  >i doubt that. I have never broken flywheel  keys due to timing problems. I
 >once plugged the spark plug wires in the wrong sequence on a twin cylinder
 >outboard and never even sheared flywheel keys that way. if the keyway is
 >damaged in any way that could cause it. the only time i've ever broken keys
 >was when i didnt have the flywheel nut tight enough. make sure it's torqued
 >down to spec.
 You're right Dave, I did adjust my mopeds utterly wrong in the beginning,
 causing them to run backwards!
 I don't think you can get them more wrong then that :-)
 Never broke a key too, and by God, did I screw up sometimes....
 Brutal force is my gues, or a flywheel nut not tightened down properly, if
 the key groove in the flywheel and/or crankshaft is damaged, it will break
 keys all the time. Check the free play of the key in the crankshaft and
 look in the flywheel hole to check if the key groove is still intact.
 This problem can only be solved by replacing crankshaft/flywheel/woodruff
 key I'm afraid...
 Cheers
 Hans Hartman
********************************************************************
Reply:
!!! From Steve's Moped & Bicycle World in Dumont NJ USA Here is your answer.
The tiny flywheel key in most mopeds is used for obtaining the correct
position of the flywheel to the crankshaft. The cam lobe for the points in the
flywheel must be in the correct position on the crankshaft	for you to be able
to set your ignition timing. The flywheel absolutly can not hold the flywheel
in position. There must be	 4 conditions present to have a proper fit of the
rotor to the crank shaft. 1) under a bright light inspect both the crankshaft
and inside the rotor for even the tinyest bur. Smooth and clean with real fine
emery.	2)Clean the crankshat and rotor mounting contact points with brake
clean or lacquer thinner. Do not use carburetor cleaner as it is petroulem
based. 3) Make sure you have the correct flywheel key. 4) Tap the rotor with a
rubber mallet once real hard before you tighten the rotor nut to the proper
torque.
What I trying to get across is this. During a Peugeot tehchnical class back in
1980 some of the dealers said I dont understand how Peugeot does not use a
flywheel key. The flywheel is going to slip. I took a flywheel and a Peugeot
motor. Cleaned the crank shaft and the flywheel mounting surfaces with brake
cleaner. Then tapped the flywheel on with my fist and sent the motor around
the room with no flywheel nut. No one could get the flywheel off.  To this day
when I set the timing on a keyless Peugeot or even Motobecane I use the same
method and only have to do it once. You must make sure your rotor is not
deformed. You can try steps one to for listed above. Put your rotor on with
out the key way. Tap it hard only once. It should hold in place with out the
nut. Once you pass this test then put in the flywheel key. If you cant get the
rotor to "stick" It will need to be replaced.  I hope your crankshaft is in
good condition. Inspect all very closley as we are talking about a percision
machiene fit.
												 Best Regards:
															 Steve Hassa
President
															 Steve's Moped &
Bicycle World Inc.
															  40 Park Avenue
Dumont NJ 07628
															 ph(201)384-7777
fAX(201)384-7831
															E-MAIL
MOPEDMOPED@AOL.COM
														   http://members.aol.
com/mopedmoped




Date:  Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:19:03 -0600
To:  "Mailing List" 
From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject:  Fw: help!!!!!!




----------
> From: ENSEIGNANTS A LA CARTE inc. 
> To: daugava@inlink.com
> Subject: help!!!!!!
> Date: Monday, March 09, 1998 6:17 AM
>
> I'm looking for motobecane 197? model 99z and l99e please help me.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Martin Robichaud
>
> for M&M Distribution enr.
> 1742 des Cascades Ouest #24
> St-Hyacinthe, Québec
> Canada, J2S 3J1
>
> E-mail :prof@hycgocable.ca



Date:  Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:54:48 -0700
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: danyo@montrose.net
Subject:  Re: 1961 peugeot sport moped


Moped Mailing List wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date:  Mon, 09 Mar 1998 20:00:05 -0600
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: richt@mb.sympatico.ca
> Subject:	1961 peugeot sport moped
>
> I have a 1961 peugeot sport moped either 4 sale or maybe some can help
>
> me locate parts or a repair manual so i can restore this unit.
>
> ANDREW: Picture is at:
> /d/moped/peugeot1-22.jpg

   Andrie:

This is the model that I have been looking for.  I owned a 1960 model
while living in france as a child.	I notice that the side panels are
missing in the picture.  What kind of shape is it in?  Does it run?
Where is it located and what kind of price would you be asking for this
bike?

Dan Johnson
Gunnison, CO



Date:  Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:45:19 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Tomos engine advice?


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:09:46 -0400 (EDT)
> To:  <199802032137.PAA09526@mail.valuenet.net>
> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
> Subject:	Re: Tomos engine advice?
>
> I'd rather not get into a discussion about freedom of expression... You
> are correct, you have the right to respond in the way you feel best. It
> would just be nice to clarify your opinion with some kind of description.
> It's one thing to say that some one is unfair, however it's much different
> when you describe why that person is unfair. It's also much different if
> you call someone a cheat. It's the same message, one is just more
> substantial.
>
> But, that's just me!! I understand where you're coming from.
>
> Michael Liu
>
> On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
>
> > *************************************************
> > Date:  Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:44:13 -0800
> > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > From: proof@idt.net
> > Subject:  Re: Tomos engine advice?
> >
> >
> > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > >
> > > *************************************************
> > > Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:11:58 -0400 (EDT)
> > > To:  <199801302228.QAA32484@mail.valuenet.net>
> > > From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
> > > Subject:	Re: Tomos engine advice?
> > >
> > > I really think replies like this should not be on this list. I have dealt
> > > with Steve's Moped's and although everyone isn't perfect, the labor he has
> > > charged me for work he has done has been fair. Steve has to eat and he
> > > knows his way around mopeds. His labor rates aren't inherently high-there
> > > are competitive. Just my 2 cents worth. That's a hell of alot less than he
> > > charges but what do you expect for quality work?
> > >
> > > Michael Liu
> > >
> > > On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > *************************************************
> > > > Date:  Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:20:49 -0800
> > > > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > > > From: proof@idt.net
> > > > Subject:  Re: Tomos engine advice?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > *************************************************
> > > > > Date:  Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:22:31 EST
> > > > > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > > > > From: MOPEDMOPED@aol.com
> > > > > Subject:	Re: Tomos engine advice?
> > > > >
> > > > > If your dealer is as smart as we are he could heat the Bi-turbo header pipe up
> > > > > to about 1,600 deg. and bend the header pipe to allow proper alignment with
> > > > > the Big-bore cylinder. It takes us about 60 seconds with an oxy-accetlyene
> > > > > torch. Then you can use the same exhaust. We can do this for you . We
> > > > > guarantee all our work in writing.
> > > > > Steve's Moped & Bicycle World Inc. 40 Park Ave. Dumont NJ (201)384-7777
> > > > >						   E-mail MOPEDMOPED@AOL.COM  We ship anywhere
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yeah too bad your labor charges are so outrageous
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok I have also dealt with Steve's and have found his rates to be not at all competitive. I was just expressing
> > that opinion. I am curious though - why do you think responses like this should not be on the mailing list?
> > This is not a one-way broadcasting medium for people's advertisements. Everyone on here has the right to
> > respond to any post that is put on here.
> >
> >
> >
ok i have been off for a long time because of major puter problems. I am
not calling anyone a cheat. But maybe i am just not with it. I bought my
moped because i thought it would be transportation. So, dutifully
following the Tomos manual's advice, I took the bike in for the 300 mile
checkup (actually 300 kilometers - but i did not know about the odometer
thing at the time). I was charged $113. Nothing was replaced but the
spark plug. So please tell me if that is outrageous to you. If it is
not, and that is what it costs to maintain a moped, then i will be
getting rid of mine. It would be cheaper to operate a Ferrari.



Date:  Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:49:32 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:54:43 +0100
> To:  "Peter Staal" 
> From: staal@westbrabant.net
> Subject:	Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: daugava@nothnbut.net 
> Aan: Moped Mailing List 
> Datum: dinsdag 3 februari 1998 23:03
> Onderwerp: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS
>
> >*************************************************
> >Date:  Tue, 03 Feb 1998 00:03:30 -0800
> >To:	daugava@nothnbut.net
> >From: proof@idt.net
> >Subject:  Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS
> >
> >
> >daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> >>
> >> *************************************************
> >> Date:	Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:12:06 +0100
> >> To:  "Peter Staal" 
> >> From: staal@westbrabant.net
> >> Subject:  Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS
> >>
> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> >> Van: daugava@nothnbut.net 
> >> Aan: Moped Mailing List 
> >> Datum: vrijdag 30 januari 1998 23:44
> >> Onderwerp: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS
> >>
> >> >*************************************************
> >> >Date:  Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:50:00 -0400 (EDT)
> >> >To:  <199801291619.KAA07910@mail.valuenet.net>
> >> >From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
> >> >Subject:	Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I have a used 60 cc piston/cyclinder assembly I want to get rid of for
> >> >$99. It's really not a bad thing if you really want the extra power. I
> put
> >> >less than 200 miles on it before upgrading to a 70 cc. The 60 cc kit
> >> >increased my top speed from 25 up to 37 mph.
> >> >
> >> >Michael Liu
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Hi Michael,
> >>  I guess that 90% of your gain in speed is made by the better porting of
> the
> >> other cylinder and has almost nothing to do with the cc's (unless you
> weight
> >> 100 kg or more)...
> >> :-) try to buy less cylinder in stead of more (more ports=less metal)
> 50cc
> >> is enough trust me. why do you think it is so popular ? because it is
> just
> >> not enough cc's?
> >> when used all cc's properly a 50cc will carry you at an av. of >60km/h
> for
> >> years. (37mph or more thus)
> >>
> >>	Bye, Peter Staal
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>  Email: staal@concepts.nl
> >>  Home: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >Yes Peter but in the US we need alot more ACCELERATION because when you are
> first on line at a red light the
> >lovely motorists of this country have no patience or consideration for
> alternative vehicles.
> >
> >
> >
> A good porting job gives you more rpms and more POWER so more acceleration
> too even at low rpm. When combined with a 3 or 4 gear ped you leave all cars
> behind you in the city traffic.
> i guess 4Hp will do the job for that, and that is just moderate tuning,
> leave enough room for errors to do the job jour selve.
>
> Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssst is as fast in the Us.
> Here it is a jungle too, acceleration is life saver nr 1 here, considering
> the average lenght of a street here. Some roads have more meters crossing
> than open road :-) . And i guess you never heared of
> "verkeersremmendemaatregelen" = 'trafic speed reducing objects' on the road,
> real killers some times, what about bicycle lanes (you are forced to use,
> till next year) from 80 cm wide... including front coming others..
> to get a normal average speed, acceleration is essential.
> And ofcoarse for a wheely :-).
> Peter.


Ok Peter, I am confused. I dont know much about mechanics. Are you
saying that one can get a porting job (bigger hole) and keep the bike at
50cc's and that that is what brings most of the improvement?



Date:  Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:55:09 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Tomos engine advice?


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:23:02 EST
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: AaronM428@aol.com
> Subject:	Re: Tomos engine advice?
>
> In a message dated 98-02-03 16:41:09 EST, you write:
>
> << Ok I have also dealt with Steve's and have found his rates to be not at all
> competitive. I was just expressing
>  that opinion. I am curious though - why do you think responses like this
> should not be on the mailing list?
>  This is not a one-way broadcasting medium for people's advertisements.
> Everyone on here has the right to
>  respond to any post that is put on here. >>
>
> Define competitive, if I offer a service that no-one else does, how can you
> compare my rate to anyone elce's?  Also, how many moped shops are there
> anyway?  It's not like automotive shops, which are around almost every corner
> (we have 3 in a town of maybe 4,500 people).	As far as I know there is only
> one moped place in the metro Toledo area.  If I save $10 by taking the 'ped to
> place "X", but it costs me $12 to get the 'ped to place "X", it is not worth
> it.


I have been off-line for a long time because of puter problems. Ok I am
talking about a 250% difference in price - not $10 and it was just a
routine check up. I am not asking anyone to agree with me or anything -
what incites me is that someone comes on here and uses this list for
advertising and then freaks out when he gets some criticism. I am not
against advertising here - i have learned alot from the ads of the shop
in question. I am just saying that the only person who has the right to
tell me to shut up is the owner of this mailing list - the guy who
spends time every day to keep this thing going. if he thinks i am out of
line, i will apologize. But to the advertisers i say, this is not
broacasting - it is a 2 way street and if you have any dissatisfied
customers, they just might be on here.



Date:  Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:09:45 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: "Moped Digest"  #82


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:50:16 +0100
> To:  
> From: achg@dds.nl
> Subject:	Re: "Moped Digest"  #82
>
> ----------
> > Van: daugava@nothnbut.net
> > Aan: Moped Digest 
> > Onderwerp: "Moped Digest"  #82
> > Datum: maandag 2 februari 1998 1:12
> >
> > 
> > Date:  Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:30:06 -0800
> > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > From: proof@idt.net
> > Subject:  Re: Long distance tour
> >
> >
> > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > >
> > > *************************************************
> > > Date:  Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:07:20 -0500 (EST)
> > > To:  Moped Mailing List 
> > > From: danny@dreamscape.com
> > > Subject:	Re: Long distance tour
> > >
> > > On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 proof@idt.net wrote:
> > > > Wow fantastic.	Go to www.vespa.com to read about a guy who is going
> > > > aroud the world on a scooter. I think he is in central america right
> now
> > > > on his way to alaska. then it's on to siberia. Good site for
> > > > inspiration.
> > >
> > > Actually, comparing a 200cc Vespa scooter with a top cruising speed of
> > > 65mph to a moped doesn't seem very fair.  OTOH, last summer I met an
> older
> > > couple from Italy that had ridden their early Lambretta scooters across
> > > the USA.	His was a '47 Lambretta Model "A" with a top speed of about
> > > 35mph and they simply just planned their route well and took their time
> > --
> > > not that they had a big choice.  ; )
> > >
> > >										  ~ Danny ~
> > >
> > > ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
> > > syracuse ska!!   
> > > all about scooters!!	
> > > -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
> >
> >
> > Ok I guess you have never been touring - either motorized or bicycle. The
> > whole point of it is to go slow and
> > see the small roads and small towns. In USA that means seeing the places
> > America has thrown out like garbage. It's very fascinating. I have done
> > some fully loaded bicycle touring - avg speed maybe 8mph. That's a little
> > too slow at times. From my one year of riding my moped I find that I do
> not
> > even like going over 25 or maybe 30 mph even though my ped can do almost
> > 50. Touring at over 25 mph I think is a contradiction. If this guy on the
> > Vespa is going 65mph then he is wasting his time.
> >
> You got my point: the reason why I don't want to go by air: now way of
> finding out anything about the people and the country's you are passing! A
> motorbike is a bit too easy (although it's still not common going) and a
> bike would be to heavy for me so I guess a moped is a good (and
> challengeing) alternative! I will though speed up my Honda MTX a little so
> that if neseccesary I can speed up and that I don't need to drive all the
> time at full speed (at 30 mph), isn't very good for the thing especialy in
> hot weather.
> Has anyone an idea about how long this trip might take? (from The
> Netherlands to South-Africa RSA).
>
> Still all help is welcome, as is a possible partner for this trip too.
>
> Greetinx
>
>		  AnToine
>
> From: daugava@nothnbut.net
> Received: from mail.valuenet.net (ppp19.valuenet.net [207.230.63.20])
>		  by mail.valuenet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01646;
>		  Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:08:44 -0900
> Message-Id: <199802060208.RAA01646@mail.valuenet.net>
> Date:  Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:43:54 EST
> Subject: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> To: "Moped Mailing List" 
> Reply-To: 
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:12:02 EST
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Z28SS97420@aol.com
> Subject:	Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle
>
> MOPEDS?	I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE FROM BUT ARUOUND HERE WE DON'T EVEN
> CONSIDER TAKING OUT MOPED'S OFF ROAD,  THEY ARE STRICKLY STREET DRIVEN.
>
> --VAD04912.886736252/barney.globecomm.net--


I have been offline for a long time for puter problems.  Yes I believe
the moped or scooter is the perfect touring vehicle. Believe me that the
fully loaded bicycle is not the way to go. On my bicycle tours i have
found myself avoiding high elevation roads - especially if i have to
come right back down the other side again. But the higher elevations are
where i want to go - that's where the views and the best campsites with
the least mosquitos are. And you avoid the flatlanders there. The
moped/scooter has the "small is beautiful" aspect of a bicycle but
allows choosing the maximum elevation roads available in a given area.



Date:  Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:12:08 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 05 Feb 1998 20:52:05 -0500
> To:  chrislo@cfw.com
> From: chrislo@cfw.com
> Subject:	Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle
>
> >What the end user does, is therefore the users
> > responsiblity. Anyone who buys a Biturbo pipe is free to do with it what they want. when you choose to use it for some other creative
> > purpose-it is your own responsibility.
>
> here we go again. any ambulance-chasing lawyer will tell you otherwise.
> its anyones fault but yours.
> cause an accident and the insurance company finds you've made your ped
> faster, they most certainly will not pay, so you'll have to raise money
> somehow; you'll likely be sued by the other party, so all thats left is
> to try to sue the dealer for selling the evil kit to you.


Ok so take your moped (before you modify it) down to the DMV and take
the motorcycle test. In NJ at least you can take the motorcycle test
with a moped or scooter.



Date:  Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:59:43 -0600 (CST)
To:  Moped Mailing List 
From: ahunter@cc.UManitoba.CA
Subject:  Gaskets for a cylinder


Ah...life in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. We recently had temps. around
zero celsius and the snow was melting (very early for here) but we are
back to -15. Never the less, I am preparing my 'ped ('74 Batavus GoGo
a.k.a. VA50, I also have a '75 Motobecane Cady for those who want to know)
for the season with a new piston and freshly honed cylinder.
The small machine shop that did the honing for me suggested I put a thin
paper gasket between the cylinder and the head. As far as I know there
never was a gasket there and am pondering the implications. I can not
think of any dire complications, but could be wrong. Comments on this
topic? Thanks.

A. J. Hunter, B.Sc., M.A.		email: ahunter@cc.umanitoba.ca
Department of Psychology
University of Manitoba			"Back off man, I'm a scientist."
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2N2			- Dr. Peter Venkman, Ghostbuster



Date:  Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:44:46 -0400 (EDT)
To:  Andrei Zaitsev 
From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject:  Re: puch manual (fwd)


I got this message today, I don't need one-I got three (Haynes, Clymer,
and Murray-but maybe you gus do).

Michael Liu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:26:44 +0000
From: Martin Crooks 
To: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject: Re: puch manual

Hi,

I know its a while since you contacted me about a Puch Maxi manual.
Its just that I've bought some new old stock with one in.
Please let me know if you are still in need of one.

Regards
		   Martin Crooks


----------
> From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
> To: crooks@ellisweb.com
> Subject: puch manual
> Date: 26 August 1997 01:18
>
> Over here in the USA, there is no abundance of literature on moped
> maintenance; particularly, the 1977 PUCH Maxi-Luxe. I am looking for a
> manual and I noticed that you have two such manuals for PUCHs, but I
don't
> know which one covers the Maxi-Luxe. Please let me know if you have such
a
> manual in stock, and then what acceptable forms of payment are. Thank
you.
>
> Michael Liu
>
> 



Date:  Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:24:52 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: LONAR14@aol.com
Subject:  moped magazine


Hi my name is robert pierce i have some qestions about amoped i bought used
its very new looking but it is an 89 and im having promblems finding a clutch
for it im willing to by them for a resonible price.  Its a 89 trac olypic.
And i would like to have your magazine my address is 1187 rogers ave vineland
nj 08360 heres my e-mail address.


	 lonar 14 @ aol
		.com

	  THANX



Date:  Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:36:37 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: AaronM428@aol.com
Subject:  Re: Here we go again


In a message dated 98-03-10 23:06:08 EST, you write:

<< As simplistic it may sound, you probably have either a bad plug (wrong
heatrange)
 or low quality premix oil that breaks down. Try the NGK  B6HS spark plug and
some
 top quality synthetic 2-stroke oil, like Optic or Redline. >>

Thanks, I use regular oil now, but I just switched back from synthetic (I
checked, the synth. said it was OK to mix it w/ regular).  I have an NGK B5HS
plug, running fine, was the replacement reccommended by the mechanic down the
street.  Plug seems to be fine, no build-up but slightly "greyed", so I know
it's not too hot.

<>

Thanks Hans, I'll check.  The HT coil, as I understand it, is a small (0.5in x
2in x 2in)
black box which the plug wire comes out of.  Right?  Got the part #, am
checking on price right now via E-mail.



Date:  Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:46:49 -0800
To:  
From: dlucas@fred.fhcrc.org
Subject:  Vespa Grande transmission


Hi all- I need some help with a 78 Vespa Grande. I know some of you have
one of these- I've seen the messages. Mine came to me all disassembled and
I'm trying to get it on the road. Current problem: the front unit of the
variable speed transmission, or "speed governor". OK- I've got the shaft
coming off the engine. a spacer (also known as a "distance piece", I
guess), the inner piece of the pulley, and then the stack of stuff that
makes up the outer pulley. and the nut. That looks like everything to me,
but when I assemble it the inner pulley rubs on the frame despite the
spacer, and the outer stack keeps falling open so the nylon-encased rollers
fall out of place. how does this thing go back together? I've got Haynes'
Ciao manual, but it lacks the exploded diagram for this section.

thanks for your help!

dave




Date:  Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:13:58 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Luk102@aol.com
Subject:  hi


i would like yo be put on the mailing list..



Date:  Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:16:40 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Luk102@aol.com
Subject:  hi


i have a caio and it just quit like on me and if i spry starting fluied in the
air fuilter thats the only way i can get it to kick over.. andthen it just
dies down agin you have any ideals it seems like its not get gas so what you
think HOW IN THE WAY CAN I GET IT TO RUN AGIN THANKS>>>>>



Date:  Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:38:45 +0100
To:  
From: rhalland@online.no
Subject:  Mopeds


Hello!

To me it seems like you would be the one to contact. I have just taken
apart a 1960 mod. Motobecane (Mobymatic). As you understand i need
spareparts, info, manual and advise. Please help me to get intouch with the
right people.

Ronny
Norway



Date:  Sun, 15 Mar 1998 02:08:13 -0800
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: tim_sirak@bc.sympatico.ca
Subject:  Motobecane carb


Hello, i was wondering if you knew where i could find a carburator for a
1976 motobecane caddy??? i would be very thankful.......



Date:  Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:42:05 -0700
To:  "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" 
From: rbusche@es.com
Subject:  More Moped Parts


	Found this MOPED repair center on the net. Thought you might
find it useful.

	http://www.fnets.com/hackettstownautoparts.htm


Date:  Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:15:00
To:  
From: Laksivark@earthling.net
Subject:  kinetic


Hello everyone,
	I have recently purchased a 94 Kinetic Magnum,	I am looking for any
information on this bike. I have tried to contact the manucfacture of these
bikes but no luck.	If anyone knows where the documentation or manunals can
be obtained please let me know.  If anyone would know what the spark plug
gap is I would like that information or any information on the bike, I
would be thankful.


						Thanks,


						Charles
***************************
*Spc. Charles D. Loyd &   *
*Bobbie Jo Loyd 		  *
*bobbie_charles@couple.com*
*http://www.geocities.com *
*	   /heartland/6194/   *
***************************



Date:  Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:07:24 -0700
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: danyo@montrose.net
Subject:  Re: Gaskets for a cylinder


Moped Mailing List wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:59:43 -0600 (CST)
> To:  Moped Mailing List 
> From: ahunter@cc.UManitoba.CA
> Subject:	Gaskets for a cylinder
>
> Ah...life in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. We recently had temps. around
>
> zero celsius and the snow was melting (very early for here) but we are
>
> back to -15. Never the less, I am preparing my 'ped ('74 Batavus GoGo
> a.k.a. VA50, I also have a '75 Motobecane Cady for those who want to
> know)
> for the season with a new piston and freshly honed cylinder.
> The small machine shop that did the honing for me suggested I put a
> thin
> paper gasket between the cylinder and the head. As far as I know there
>
> never was a gasket there and am pondering the implications. I can not
> think of any dire complications, but could be wrong. Comments on this
> topic? Thanks.
>
> A. J. Hunter, B.Sc., M.A. 			  email: ahunter@cc.umanitoba.ca
>
> Department of Psychology
> University of Manitoba				  "Back off man, I'm a
> scientist."
> Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2N2 				  - Dr. Peter Venkman,
> Ghostbuster

   March 16, 1998

AJ:

I recently bought a vespa piaggio and was experiencing a leak around the
head.  Having worked on larger bikes, I was surprised to find that there
was no head gasket.  Yes, in fact, there is no gasket.	Should I torque
the head bolts down the same?  Did it and it still leaked.	Went to my
local motorcycle shop and bought some "Yamabond".  Applied it sparingly
to the head and guess what?........"no leaky".  took care of the problem
perfectly.

Dan Johnson
Gunnison, CO



Date:  Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:57:32 -0500
To:  chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject:  Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle


> > >What the end user does, is therefore the users
> > > responsiblity. Anyone who buys a Biturbo pipe is free to do with it what they want. when you choose to use it for some other creative
> > > purpose-it is your own responsibility.
> >
> > here we go again. any ambulance-chasing lawyer will tell you otherwise.
> > its anyones fault but yours.

> Ok so take your moped (before you modify it) down to the DMV and take
> the motorcycle test. In NJ at least you can take the motorcycle test
> with a moped or scooter.

neat. the thing is if you do modify and dont make it leaglyou cant
really afford to crash, you dont have that option aymore as far as im
concerned



Date:  Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:49:24 -0700
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: danyo@montrose.net
Subject:  Re: Vespa Grande transmission


Moped Mailing List wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date:  Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:46:49 -0800
> To:  
> From: dlucas@fred.fhcrc.org
> Subject:	Vespa Grande transmission
>
> Hi all- I need some help with a 78 Vespa Grande. I know some of you
> have
> one of these- I've seen the messages. Mine came to me all disassembled
> and
> I'm trying to get it on the road. Current problem: the front unit of
> the
> variable speed transmission, or "speed governor". OK- I've got the
> shaft
> coming off the engine. a spacer (also known as a "distance piece", I
> guess), the inner piece of the pulley, and then the stack of stuff
> that
> makes up the outer pulley. and the nut. That looks like everything to
> me,
> but when I assemble it the inner pulley rubs on the frame despite the
> spacer, and the outer stack keeps falling open so the nylon-encased
> rollers
> fall out of place. how does this thing go back together? I've got
> Haynes'
> Ciao manual, but it lacks the exploded diagram for this section.
>
> thanks for your help!
>
> dave

   March 16, 1998

Dave:

Went through part of what you're having problems with myself.  I took
mine apart before I got my manual (like just today).  I'm not going to
be too technical here so bear with me.	If I remember correctly (because
my automatic transmission came apart on me and it all fell out in the
snow and I had to do it twice) the inside ring of the pully mechanism
goes on only one way in that the hole in it has a flat section.  Could
it be possible that the rubbing is caused by this pully being on
crooked?

The problem of the unit coming apart is the one that I had to overcome!
I had everything together, cleaned, looking good.  I fire up the bike
and it runs to my amazement.  Then the whole automatic transmission
pully section explodes into the snow.  I forgot to lock the retaining
nut in place using the fold over lock washer on the outside of the
mechanism.	I thought I'd scream!  The good side of this story is that
my garage got swept out as part of the "shrapnel" ended up rolling onto
the garage floor.  I guess you'd call it trial by fire.

Hope I've helped a little.  Good luck

Dan Johnson
Gunnison, CO



Date:  Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:26:38 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: pinhead@ufl.edu
Subject:  Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> Ok so take your moped (before you modify it) down to the DMV and take
> the motorcycle test. In NJ at least you can take the motorcycle test
> with a moped or scooter.

Hmmmmmm. Anyone know if it the same in Florida? You don't need a
Motorcycle endorsement to operate a moped, but it'd be nice (especially
for the slalom and cornering) to do it on a 'ped.


											  -=>Joe Perez<=-
										   -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=-



Date:  Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:11:38 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject:  Re: hi


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:16:40 EST
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Luk102@aol.com
> Subject:	hi
>
> i have a caio and it just quit like on me and if i spry starting fluied in the
> air fuilter thats the only way i can get it to kick over.. andthen it just
> dies down agin you have any ideals it seems like its not get gas so what you
> think HOW IN THE WAY CAN I GET IT TO RUN AGIN THANKS>>>>>
Clean the carb,replace the jet and see if the choke plate doesn't stick
(happens often with Dell'Orto carbs).



Date:  Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:16:37 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject:  Re: Vespa Grande transmission


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:46:49 -0800
> To:  
> From: dlucas@fred.fhcrc.org
> Subject:	Vespa Grande transmission
>
> Hi all- I need some help with a 78 Vespa Grande. I know some of you have
> one of these- I've seen the messages. Mine came to me all disassembled and
> I'm trying to get it on the road. Current problem: the front unit of the
> variable speed transmission, or "speed governor". OK- I've got the shaft
> coming off the engine. a spacer (also known as a "distance piece", I
> guess), the inner piece of the pulley, and then the stack of stuff that
> makes up the outer pulley. and the nut. That looks like everything to me,
> but when I assemble it the inner pulley rubs on the frame despite the
> spacer, and the outer stack keeps falling open so the nylon-encased rollers
> fall out of place. how does this thing go back together? I've got Haynes'
> Ciao manual, but it lacks the exploded diagram for this section.
>
> thanks for your help!
>
> dave
Call Fabio at Vespa Supershop in San Diego 619-574-1818. They know
everything.



Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:41:52 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:52:26 -0500
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: rmauldi@CLEMSON.EDU
> Subject:	Importing Mopeds
>
> Could you put me on your mailing list at a new address, I graduated from
> school and my new address is	MauldinRestorations@juno.com	Also, I am
> planning on starting my own business-  importing mopeds!!!  Can you send me
> any info you may have on who is looking for a US distributor.
>
> Thanks,
> Clarke M.
>
> P.S.	I'm serious-  I've got a 7,000 sq. ft. warehouse and plenty of
> capital- please help me hook up with someone-  you are welcome to pass my
> address along to a reputable business.  Thanks


I heard that Piaggio is looking to reenter the North American market - I
answered an elaborate questionnaire on their website "for North
Americans only". So look into that. I wish someone would look into
importing these motorbikes that are common in Asia - they are not really
a moped and not a motorcycle. They are sort of halfway in between. They
look like small motorcycles - but in a better way than the Tomos - the
tomos is too cramped. I have no idea who makes them - probably alot are
made in china.



Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:48:37 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:57:30 -0500 (EST)
> To:  Moped Mailing List 
> From: danny@dreamscape.com
> Subject:	Re: Importing Mopeds
>
> On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 rmauldi@CLEMSON.EDU wrote:
> > Could you put me on your mailing list at a new address, I graduated from
> > school and my new address is MauldinRestorations@juno.com Also, I am
> > planning on starting my own business- importing mopeds!!!  Can you send
> > me any info you may have on who is looking for a US distributor.
>
> > P.S.  I'm serious- I've got a 7,000 sq. ft. warehouse and plenty of
> > capital- please help me hook up with someone- you are welcome to pass my
> > address along to a reputable business.	Thanks
>
> It might be easier to compile a list of who *doesn't* want their mopeds
> imported into the US.  The problem is that many have to be modified to be
> US legal, many are not especially well-made and most will have need major
> dealer support for warranty, service and parts.  You have to make a major
> committment or else you end up bringing in more obscure mopeds that get
> orphaned like so many have before ...
>
>										  ~ Danny ~
>
> ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
> syracuse ska!!   
> all about scooters!!	
> -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
Hey you are right! Foreign moped manufacturers should be able to abolish
prickly U.S. restricitions by going before the World Trade Organization
and attacking these as barriers to free trade! Maybe they could abolish
the EPA and the DMV as illegal barriers to free trade! How thrilling it
would be to ride around on polluting, defective vehicles in support of
the holy grail of free trade.



Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:53:47 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle (fwd)


daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:03:01 GMT
> To:  
> From: Philip.Kuhl@ping.be
> Subject:	Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle (fwd)
>
> At 06:26 2/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
> ><< right? then i presume that means i am ENTITLED to a full lane on just about
> > any road then, right? so theortetically, i could get on interstates and busy
> > roads and have just as much right to be out there as cars and semis i guess.
> >i
> > may only be able to do 35-40 mph, but i'm considered to be a motorcycle then.
> > heh, wonder what the cops would think of a registered moped doing 25mph in
> >the
> > slow lane of a major thoroughfare. as long as im going faster than the
> >minimum
> > required speed limit (if applicable) on any road, i could get away with it!
> >
> > david >>
>
> No, you're going too fast here (pun intended).  If your moped goes faster
> than 30 mph (in Virginia), then it's no longer considered a moped and would
> have to be registered as a motorcycle.  But (as Aaron suggested in his
> posting concerning the State of Ohio), your too-fast moped does not meet
> Federal or state motorcycle standards and thus cannot be registered to
> operate on the public highways!  (An analogy:  A 1989 East German "Trabant"
> automobile can be registered and driven in Germany today, but cannot be
> registered and driven on the public highways in the US because it meets
> neither US safety nor US emissions standards.)
>
> Motorcycles and motorized cycles (= mopeds and power-assisted bikes) are
> prohibited on many limited-access highways, regardless of their speed
> capabilities.
>
> As to what the cops would think of a moped (or motorcycle) doing 25 mph in
> the slow lane of a major thoroughfare, remember that you can be ticketed
> from driving too SLOW as well as to fast!  It would, at worst, be considered
> reckless driving that that endangers public safety.  And I know of no
> minimum speed in my jurisdiction that is as low as 25 mph; the lowest of
> which I know is 40 mph.
>
> Even the minimum speed wouldn't "save" you from a ticket.  Mote that
> maximum/minimum speed limits are always subject legally to
> road/weather/traffic conditions -- for example, the speed limit might be 70
> mph, but you could get a ticket for doing 60 mph if there was a thick fog
> and visibility was down to 20 feet!  The reverse is true also -- you can be
> ticket for driving too slowly for traffic conditions, regardless of minimum
> speed limits.
>
> But Ron Carroll had the best answer -- even if you were right, you'd likely
> end up dead right, and that just isn't worth it in my book!
>
> Phil


I have to ask you all: if you have chosen to travel by moped, why do you
want to even go on a major thouroughfare???? If you are in the US, major
thouroughfares are uniformly ugly piles of strip malls, used car lots
and grotesque subdivisions. The idea of owning a moped should lead one
to want to explore the roads that the cars ignore - small roads where
the moped's speed level is just right.



Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:02:13 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:50:54 -0500
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: paltron@interlog.com
> Subject:	Re: Importing Mopeds
>
> Moped Mailing List wrote:
> >
> > *************************************************
> > Date:  Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:59:59 -0500
> > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > From: paltron@interlog.com
> > Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds
> >
> > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > >
> > > *************************************************
> > > Date:  Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:02:42 EST
> > > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > > From: Huvz@aol.com
> > > Subject:	Re: Importing Mopeds
> > >
> > >  Clarke,
> > >	 You may want to check out the new line of DERBI mopeds, and scooters.
> > >  I saw them recently at a bike show in CLeveland, Oh.   WOW, what a line of
> > > COOL
> > >  50cc bikes.	I am sure you could sell these babys! They are extra nice.
> > >	 They have one that looks like a Super Bike, one that looks like a	seriuos
> > > Dirt Bike,
> > >  and a complete line of moped/scooters. probably 10 models in all.
> > >  I will try to find the brocure so I can give you the guys name that handles
> > > dealers.
> > >  Scott H
> > Be prepared for a shock. They are terribly expensive, although in Europe
> > Derbi is in the bottom third of the price range. Somebody must have
> > flunked math in their pricing department as I can tell.
> Follow-up: you can see some Derbis in the "museum" section of Moped
> Magazine
> http://www.interlog.com/~paltron/moped


does the fact that they are already in a "museum" mean that they are
already a failure and finished?



Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:09:30 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: moot scoot' meet


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:17:01 -0500
> To:  chrislo@cfw.com
> From: chrislo@cfw.com
> Subject:	moot scoot' meet
>
> > there were about ten people there and no
> > mopeds.  They were all scooters owned by old guys, with big motors and
> > expensive paint jobs.  And how can you have a scooter with
> > 12 inch wheels and a 1000cc Harley engine on it.  It would twist that
> > frame in half.
> aint that just like those baby-boomer scooter types? sheesh.


i hate to be negative and sarcastic but:

first of all there are painfully few people in this land who are not
smitten by the oversized engine - be it bike or car.
secondly, from looking at this list, most of the ones who do appreciate
the "small is beautiful" nature of the small engine (moped/scooter) are
located in new jersey, ohio, and florida.
Therefore the idea of staging this thing in iowa should have scared
people off right away. It should probably have been held on the grounds
of Newark Airport. But, i wish them luck in the future.



Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:14:17 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: attachment


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:13:18 -0500
> To:  chrislo@cfw.com
> From: chrislo@cfw.com
> Subject:	attachment
>
> > Chris, what am I to think of you? Riding old mopeds OK, but keep
> > away from my granny...
> xie and i go way back, way before my first moped.
>
> >I do 30 Km on my peddle bike all the time, nothing scary about that.
> i dunno. seems to me the buyers of these things shouldnt be going 30 -
> unless they pedal, which is unlikely over longer distances. the motor
> should only go about as fast as you do or youll get lazy and just use it
> all the time.
>
> > Green party members buy electric bicycles over here.
> aaaaaaaa. how unCOUTH of me to even suggest that. sorry. i hope they
> plug em into a solar energy source?


nuclear powered green party bicycles.	Why the incredible blindness
about the "zero emission" electric engine?  Where does that electricity
come from?????



Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:29:47 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]; EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> If you are from NJ, please show support to opposition to this newly
> proposed law.  Please email your state senator and state
> assemblyman/woman.  Thanks. John from NJ
>
>	  ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:22:01 -0800
> From: John Agner 
> To: senadler@voicenet.com
>
> I saw it reported on NJ News, channel 23, that a bill is before the
> legislature which would prohibit 17 year olds from driving by themselves
> and would require them to drive with someone over 21.  This would
> effectively prohibit most high school seniors from driving to school,
> and would prohibit September-born seniors from even driving off to
> college in the fall.	The bill seems to be strongly pushed by the
> insurance industry, which is driven by dollars rather than altruism.
>		  I AM STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THIS BILL.  First, I am the father of 3, one
> whom is a 17 year old senior at Cherry Hill East.  All my kids play
> travel soccer.  It is a nice break that they can drive themselves to
> games by their senior year, as well as chauffeur teammates to preseason
> high school practice, and give them rides home after practice.  Second,
> it is nice that my daughter could visit colleges, in part, on her own.
> I could not possibly get off from work for her to visit each college
> which she investigated.  Third, she has been a big help to this 2 parent
> working family, being able to run her younger siblings to sports and
> music activities.  I feel that the year in which she had her permit
> prior to age 17, coupled with driver's ed at school and a year of my
> supervision of her driving, gave her ample practice.	While another year
> gives many youth time to mature, I've met many college age students who
> conversly lack such maturity, so it is on a case-by-case basis that one
> must judge a 17 or 21 year olds' maturity to drive.  This can be done
> under the present system of instruction, tests, points, and revocation
> for those who lack the maturity and judgment.  Please pass this on to
> Assemblyman Greenwald, and please vote "NO" to the proposed
> legislation.	It goes too far.  If restrictions are desired, let the 17
> year olds drive by themselves or only with family members, but don't
> penalize the many well-trained, mature 17 year olds for the few who
> would likely be irresponsible and out-of-control even well after turning
> 18.  Thank you.  John Agner


Give us a break!!! LET THEM RIDE MOPEDS!   Your problem, pal, is not the
proposed law but the fact that you live in a sorry place like Cherry
Hill. If you lived in downtown Philadelphia, your kids could use mass
transit and be alot safer. I can't believe that you as a parent would
advocate allowing 17 year olds to operate and control the most dangerous
machine known to man for the sake of such frivolous pursuits as soccer
practice! Give us a break. Several years ago, a study was done comparing
the death rates of teens in the 5 boroughs of NYC with the death rates
of teens in the surrounding suburbs. It turned out, to everyone's shock,
that the death rates in the burbs were higher because of the automobile.
Even with the crime that exists in the city (a government conspiracy,
but i wont get into that now), the death rate in the burbs still
outweighed that of teens in the city because of the automobile. It's
safer to be on the subway.

As the auto rental companies have demonstrated, the minimum driving age
should be 25. Let them ride mopeds until then. They will easily save
enough money for college by doing so. Are you a parent to your kids or a
slave to the auto-credit-insurance complex who is seeking to enroll his
kids in the "system"? Give us a break.



Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:36:45 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]; EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:17:08 -0600 (CST)
> To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
> From: cyclepro@evansville.net
> Subject:	Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]; EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES
>
> On  Wed, 25 Feb, Andrei Zaitsev wrote...
> >If you are from NJ, please show support to opposition to this newly
> >proposed law.  Please email your state senator and state
> >assemblyman/woman.  Thanks. John from NJ
>
> Think this one through. It is a tough one with all the pressure on today’s
> kids. We have a similar law in Kentucky and it has saved some children.
> Your child may be up to the responsablity but most are not. Children lack
> the experience to proficiently operate a car in anything less than ideal
> circumstances. Most think they can drive much better than they really can
> and end up driving way over their real ability when they are not
> supervised. The result is dead and maimed people. This is serious stuff.
> Many of todays kids skip the bicycle, moped, motorcycle phase and go
> directly to the family lemo that don’t learn the respect for motion and
> speed that they need.


i agree wholeheartedly. Let them learn to ride a bike then a moped and
let them fix them. This is just a pathetic parent who is sick of driving
his kids around but cant recognize the mistake of his sorry choice of
Cherry Hill, NJ a lame subdivision lacking any culture whatsoever. Now
he is trapped driving his kids around because the place is a typical
unwalkable, unbikable no-man's-land. It's sad to see how people really
don't give a damn about their kids - but their kids know - there is no
hiding that. Let them ride mopeds!



Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:45:07 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: restrict 17 year old drivers


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:02:23 -0500
> To:  chrislo@cfw.com
> From: chrislo@cfw.com
> Subject:	restrict 17 year old drivers
>
> > Personally I think 18 SHOULD be the driving age.
> i kinda like that idea too. but i also think the drinking age should be
> lowered. in most civilized countries you're an adult at 18, and its then
> you have to accept full responsibility for your actions. everything
> should count at 18. so go for it. finish high school and you're on your
> own.
> some say its not wise to start drinking and driving at the same time but
> who are we kidding here? 16 year olds do it all the time and thats two
> years earlier.
> problem is, american public transportation sucks. folks are too lazy,
> nothing else. to start navigating a moped thru traffic at 15-16 would be
> a good way to learn the basics and respect for the heavy, clunky cars
> around you.
> of course there would be wrecks and accidents, the physical danger would
> greater on a moped, one might argue. look to the cause of these crashes
> and you'll find our old buddies inexperience, disregard for the law,
> illegal substances and unsafe mopeds.
> the differnce is i was much more grateful to finally be able to get off
> the moped and into a car at 18 (i've been hit by others eight times over
> the years but never hit anyone else).
> another item: if you have to have an adult over 21 with you to drive a
> car who are your friends gonna be? 21 year olds with a car, or without a
> license, maybe.
> the 14+ year old girls in our moped cliques tended to go out with the
> older guys with cars cuz it rained so much in germany. no, not really,
> THEY REALLY LOVED THEM FOR THEIR PERSONALITIES!! ABSOLUTELY!! not many
> parents liked the idea, but that was how it was.
> anyway, an 18-21 year old "chaperone" also has access to what? thats
> right, the good stuff. so laws wont change a thing, trust me on this.


no no no - the moped age should be 13 and the car age should be 25. I
see thousands on 13 year olds on mopeds in Italy with no problem. They
have lightning reflexes and quickly adapt to the environment with these
narrow and highly maneurverable vehicles.



Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 03:04:42 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Moped Trailers?


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Mon, 02 Mar 1998 22:11:25 -0500
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: brian@gdi.net
> Subject:	Moped Trailers?
>
> Does anyone know a place that sells trailers or something
> that can be used to carry a bunch of stuff like groceries on a
> moped?


just build one - 2 old bicycle wheels and a bunch of scrap wood and a
steel rod on some kind of pivot - use your imagination



Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 03:07:22 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: stopped by cops


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:18:39 -0500
> To:  chrislo@cfw.com
> From: chrislo@cfw.com
> Subject:	Re: stopped by cops
>
> > Hoo-boy, fear is running through my mind, I couldn't think of why I was being pulled over- I was in right lane and actually going pretty slowly.
> haha! you basically know you've done nothing wrong and still you're
> scared; i know all about that. the big car with two cops standing around
> little you does that. (but goggles and a ski mask?!)
> >he tells me that the palte doesn't mean anything
> no car on the highway with plates means anything then either.
> >proceed to point this out on the registration.
> some kind of wise ass, are you?
> > I ask why was I stopped and they say 9 times out of 10 these
> > things aren't registered and are probably stolen.
> and here in central va, theyre the last motor vehicle the town drunk
> uses to get around with. not regsitered yes, stolen hardly. even a
> bicycle would be smarter thing to steal.


yeah really, you buy that crap - who is stealing mopeds?
However, i find it hard to believe insurance is not required in NY.
If insurance is required, it should be a nationalized industry.



Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:46:44 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: SearsPucher@webtv.net
Subject:  Re: hi


Make sure you have a good gas mixture, and that your carb is getting it.
Then tear apart the carb and clean it good, very carefully clean jet and
other small holes with torch files.

I'm Gone !!!!!!!!!!



Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:16:02 -0500
To:  laurinj@videotron.ca
From: laurinj@videotron.ca
Subject:  Re: Gaskets for a cylinder


> Ah...life in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. We recently had temps. around
> zero celsius and the snow was melting (very early for here) but we are
> back to -15. Never the less, I am preparing my 'ped ('74 Batavus GoGo
> a.k.a. VA50, I also have a '75 Motobecane Cady for those who want to know)
> for the season with a new piston and freshly honed cylinder.
> The small machine shop that did the honing for me suggested I put a thin
> paper gasket between the cylinder and the head. As far as I know there
> never was a gasket there and am pondering the implications. I can not
> think of any dire complications, but could be wrong. Comments on this
> topic? Thanks.

According to the manual you'r right!! (see the graphic below)...
/d/moped/engine.jpg



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:01:33 +0100
To:  "Peter Staal" 
From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject:  Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS



>
>Ok Peter, I am confused. I dont know much about mechanics. Are you
>saying that one can get a porting job (bigger hole) and keep the bike at
>50cc's and that that is what brings most of the improvement?
>
>
>
Yep a standard 50cc gives , let's say 2.4 Hp and a standard 70cc gives 5HP.
A good tuned, and long running 50cc cylinder and exhaust combination , can
give you also 4 to 7 Hp with in the 50cc law-required boundary ;-) at max
you can gain upto 14 Hp for a short while (with profesional stuff on it).
The game is in the gearing, no gearing only brute force rests you..

If you bike runs on high rpm , remove all rpm restricors and make higher rpm
possible by getting more mix in the cylinder in the same (or longer time) ,
and get it out faster . By adjusting the ports (outlet upwards) and upto 62%
of bore width (MAX.)(higth is better than width in the first place ) go for
at least 30-35% of stoke length.

Inletport  have to be at least (not much more !) as much quadrant mm as the
carb has with as less distortion of the flow (long manifold gives better low
rmp perf. and short manifold more direct at high rpm , it is a choice....)
(at least 15-22% of stroke or more(!) high) more ports is better as are more
transfer ports , but a given cylinder is not always that easy to change...
;-(


   Bye, Peter Staal
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Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:10:10 +0100
To:  "Peter Staal" 
From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject:  50 en Tomos TL impressies


Dit is een meerdelig bericht in MIME-indeling.

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Some nice meeting photo''s ... dutch text no problem ...

http://www.worldaccess.nl/~rbz/puch.htm


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Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:11:18 -0800
To:  
From: twein@bright.net
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds


SEND INFORMATION TO:

TONY WEINFURTNER - OWNER
THE MOTORCYCLE STORE
202 VERNON ST.
IRONTON, OHIO 45638

I SELL TOMOS AND MAJESTIC MOPEDS. INTERESTED IN LEARNING ABOUT OTHER BRANDS,
ETC.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrei Zaitsev 
To: Moped Mailing List 
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: Importing Mopeds


>*************************************************
>Date:	Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:41:52 -0500
>To:  proof@idt.net
>From: proof@idt.net
>Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds
>
>
>daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
>>
>> *************************************************
>> Date:  Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:52:26 -0500
>> To:	daugava@nothnbut.net
>> From: rmauldi@CLEMSON.EDU
>> Subject:  Importing Mopeds
>>
>> Could you put me on your mailing list at a new address, I graduated from
>> school and my new address is  MauldinRestorations@juno.com	 Also, I am
>> planning on starting my own business-  importing mopeds!!!  Can you send
me
>> any info you may have on who is looking for a US distributor.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Clarke M.
>>
>> P.S.  I'm serious-  I've got a 7,000 sq. ft. warehouse and plenty of
>> capital- please help me hook up with someone-  you are welcome to pass my
>> address along to a reputable business.  Thanks
>
>
>I heard that Piaggio is looking to reenter the North American market - I
>answered an elaborate questionnaire on their website "for North
>Americans only". So look into that. I wish someone would look into
>importing these motorbikes that are common in Asia - they are not really
>a moped and not a motorcycle. They are sort of halfway in between. They
>look like small motorcycles - but in a better way than the Tomos - the
>tomos is too cramped. I have no idea who makes them - probably alot are
>made in china.
>
>
>



Date:  Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:59:01 -0700
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: danyo@montrose.net
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]; EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES


Moped Mailing List wrote:

> *************************************************
>
> Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:36:45 -0500
> To:  proof@idt.net
> From: proof@idt.net
> Subject:	Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old
> drivers]; EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES
>
> Moped Mailing List wrote:
> >
> > *************************************************
> > Date:  Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:17:08 -0600 (CST)
> > To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
> > From: cyclepro@evansville.net
> > Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old
> drivers]; EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES
> >
> > On	Wed, 25 Feb, Andrei Zaitsev wrote...
> > >If you are from NJ, please show support to opposition to this newly
>
> > >proposed law.	Please email your state senator and state
> > >assemblyman/woman.  Thanks. John from NJ
> >
> > Think this one through. It is a tough one with all the pressure on
> today’s
> > kids. We have a similar law in Kentucky and it has saved some
> children.
> > Your child may be up to the responsablity but most are not. Children
> lack
> > the experience to proficiently operate a car in anything less than
> ideal
> > circumstances. Most think they can drive much better than they
> really can
> > and end up driving way over their real ability when they are not
> > supervised. The result is dead and maimed people. This is serious
> stuff.
> > Many of todays kids skip the bicycle, moped, motorcycle phase and go
>
> > directly to the family lemo that don’t learn the respect for motion
> and
> > speed that they need.
>
> i agree wholeheartedly. Let them learn to ride a bike then a moped and
>
> let them fix them. This is just a pathetic parent who is sick of
> driving
> his kids around but cant recognize the mistake of his sorry choice of
> Cherry Hill, NJ a lame subdivision lacking any culture whatsoever. Now
>
> he is trapped driving his kids around because the place is a typical
> unwalkable, unbikable no-man's-land. It's sad to see how people really
>
> don't give a damn about their kids - but their kids know - there is no
>
> hiding that. Let them ride mopeds!

   March 17, 1998

Guys:

I think we have a catch-22 on our hands.  I agree/disagree a little bit
with the whole situation of young people driving any type of motor
vehicle.  I have a 20 year old going to college in Denver.	I started
him off with a 62 Ford flatbed truck here in Gunnison where there are
much fewer drivers.  His car broke down several months ago and neither
he nor I have enough disposable cash to effect a major repair on it.  I
recently picked up a Vespa Bravo for cheap and thought about letting him
have it to go  to school.  However, after thinking about the traffic
problems I decided against it and told him to get a bus pass.  I'd
rather have an inconvenienced child than an injured or dead one.  For
me, I prefer to see our children in cars (given the fact that they have
had driver education) than on motorized bikes large or small.  Although
I love the sport of motorcycling/pedding, they scare the hell out of me
because I know what kind of injuries can be sustained in an accident.
Most of the time you're gonna loose!!!  Any way, that's just my feeling.

Dan



Date:  Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:01:33 -0700
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: danyo@montrose.net
Subject:  Re: Moped Trailers?


Moped Mailing List wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 03:04:42 -0500
> To:  proof@idt.net
> From: proof@idt.net
> Subject:	Re: Moped Trailers?
>
> Moped Mailing List wrote:
> >
> > *************************************************
> > Date:  Mon, 02 Mar 1998 22:11:25 -0500
> > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > From: brian@gdi.net
> > Subject:  Moped Trailers?
> >
> > Does anyone know a place that sells trailers or something
> > that can be used to carry a bunch of stuff like groceries on a
> > moped?
>
> just build one - 2 old bicycle wheels and a bunch of scrap wood and a
> steel rod on some kind of pivot - use your imagination

   I'll bet you could adapt a bicycle trailer to work since the speeds
aren't that great on a ped.

Dan



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:18:12 +0100
To:  "rhalland@online.nodaugava"@nothnbut.net
From: HP.vanKessel@net.HCC.nl
Subject:  Re: Mopeds


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:38:45 +0100
> To:  
> From: rhalland@online.no
> Subject:	Mopeds
>
> Hello!
>
> To me it seems like you would be the one to contact. I have just taken
> apart a 1960 mod. Motobecane (Mobymatic). As you understand i need
> spareparts, info, manual and advise. Please help me to get intouch with the
> right people.
>
> Ronny
> Norway

Dear Ronny,

Perhaps I can help you,
visit my Motobecane-site: web.inter.NL.net/hcc/kessel
or contact me by e-mail for details

Regards

Henk van Kessel



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:03:31 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:57:32 -0500
> To:  chrislo@cfw.com
> From: chrislo@cfw.com
> Subject:	Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle
>
> > > >What the end user does, is therefore the users
> > > > responsiblity. Anyone who buys a Biturbo pipe is free to do with it what they want. when you choose to use it for some other creative
> > > > purpose-it is your own responsibility.
> > >
> > > here we go again. any ambulance-chasing lawyer will tell you otherwise.
> > > its anyones fault but yours.
>
> > Ok so take your moped (before you modify it) down to the DMV and take
> > the motorcycle test. In NJ at least you can take the motorcycle test
> > with a moped or scooter.
>
> neat. the thing is if you do modify and dont make it leaglyou cant
> really afford to crash, you dont have that option aymore as far as im
> concerned

what is illegal about someone with a motorcycle license riding a 70 cc
bike?



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:41:33 -0600 (CST)
To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
From: cyclepro@evansville.net
Subject:  Re: kinetic


On	Wed, 18 Mar, Andrei Zaitsev wrote...
>*************************************************
>Date:	Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:15:00
>To:  
>From: Laksivark@earthling.net
>Subject:  kinetic
>
>



Plug gap is 5 to 6mm.



>Hello everyone,
>	I have recently purchased a 94 Kinetic Magnum,	I am looking for any
>information on this bike. I have tried to contact the manucfacture of these
>bikes but no luck.  If anyone knows where the documentation or manunals can
>be obtained please let me know.  If anyone would know what the spark plug
>gap is I would like that information or any information on the bike, I
>would be thankful.
>
>
>						Thanks,
>
>
>						Charles
>***************************
>*Spc. Charles D. Loyd &   *
>*Bobbie Jo Loyd		   *
>*bobbie_charles@couple.com*
>*http://www.geocities.com *
>*		/heartland/6194/   *
>***************************
>
>
>



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:53:12 -0600 (CST)
To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
From: cyclepro@evansville.net
Subject:  Re: Gaskets for a cylinder


I don't recall if Bativus used a head gasket or not but if you deceide to
install one make sur to use something that will take the heat.

..............................PUSHIN SUCKS



On	Wed, 18 Mar, Andrei Zaitsev wrote...
>*************************************************
>Date:	Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:07:24 -0700
>To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: danyo@montrose.net
>Subject:  Re: Gaskets for a cylinder
>
>
>Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
>> *************************************************
>> Date:  Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:59:43 -0600 (CST)
>> To:	Moped Mailing List 
>> From: ahunter@cc.UManitoba.CA
>> Subject:  Gaskets for a cylinder
>>
>> Ah...life in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. We recently had temps. around
>>
>> zero celsius and the snow was melting (very early for here) but we are
>>
>> back to -15. Never the less, I am preparing my 'ped ('74 Batavus GoGo
>> a.k.a. VA50, I also have a '75 Motobecane Cady for those who want to
>> know)
>> for the season with a new piston and freshly honed cylinder.
>> The small machine shop that did the honing for me suggested I put a
>> thin
>> paper gasket between the cylinder and the head. As far as I know there
>>
>> never was a gasket there and am pondering the implications. I can not
>> think of any dire complications, but could be wrong. Comments on this
>> topic? Thanks.
>>
>> A. J. Hunter, B.Sc., M.A.			   email: ahunter@cc.umanitoba.ca
>>
>> Department of Psychology
>> University of Manitoba				   "Back off man, I'm a
>> scientist."
>> Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2N2				   - Dr. Peter Venkman,
>> Ghostbuster
>
>	March 16, 1998
>
>AJ:
>
>I recently bought a vespa piaggio and was experiencing a leak around the
>head.	Having worked on larger bikes, I was surprised to find that there
>was no head gasket.  Yes, in fact, there is no gasket.  Should I torque
>the head bolts down the same?	Did it and it still leaked.  Went to my
>local motorcycle shop and bought some "Yamabond".  Applied it sparingly
>to the head and guess what?........"no leaky".  took care of the problem
>perfectly.
>
>Dan Johnson
>Gunnison, CO
>
>
>



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:56:42 -0600 (CST)
To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
From: cyclepro@evansville.net
Subject:  Re:



ITS TIME TO TRADE.




On	Wed, 18 Mar, Andrei Zaitsev wrote...
>*************************************************
>Date:	Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:11:38 -0500
>To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: paltron@interlog.com
>Subject:  Re: hi
>
>
>Moped Mailing List wrote:
>>
>> *************************************************
>> Date:  Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:16:40 EST
>> To:	daugava@nothnbut.net
>> From: Luk102@aol.com
>> Subject:  hi
>>
>> i have a caio and it just quit like on me and if i spry starting fluied
in the
>> air fuilter thats the only way i can get it to kick over.. andthen it just
>> dies down agin you have any ideals it seems like its not get gas so what you
>> think HOW IN THE WAY CAN I GET IT TO RUN AGIN THANKS>>>>>
>Clean the carb,replace the jet and see if the choke plate doesn't stick
>(happens often with Dell'Orto carbs).
>
>
>



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:11:15 -0600 (CST)
To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
From: cyclepro@evansville.net
Subject:  Re: moot scoot' meet


Small is OK.....But  BIG is better!

Really! Peds got their place and the are great fun. But.... imagine a
modified HOG that can take you faster than you wat to go effortlessly.

Something you can load a girlfriend and 200 lbs of gear on and GO.

If you want to "BLOW OFF" a "CAGE" you can.....GREG





On	Wed, 18 Mar, Andrei Zaitsev wrote...
>*************************************************
>Date:	Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:09:30 -0500
>To:  proof@idt.net
>From: proof@idt.net
>Subject:  Re: moot scoot' meet
>
>
>Moped Mailing List wrote:
>>
>> *************************************************
>> Date:  Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:17:01 -0500
>> To:	chrislo@cfw.com
>> From: chrislo@cfw.com
>> Subject:  moot scoot' meet
>>
>> > there were about ten people there and no
>> > mopeds.  They were all scooters owned by old guys, with big motors and
>> > expensive paint jobs.	And how can you have a scooter with
>> > 12 inch wheels and a 1000cc Harley engine on it.  It would twist that
>> > frame in half.
>> aint that just like those baby-boomer scooter types? sheesh.
>
>
>i hate to be negative and sarcastic but:
>
>first of all there are painfully few people in this land who are not
>smitten by the oversized engine - be it bike or car.
>secondly, from looking at this list, most of the ones who do appreciate
>the "small is beautiful" nature of the small engine (moped/scooter) are
>located in new jersey, ohio, and florida.
>Therefore the idea of staging this thing in iowa should have scared
>people off right away. It should probably have been held on the grounds
>of Newark Airport. But, i wish them luck in the future.
>
>
>



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:23:33 -0600 (CST)
To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
From: cyclepro@evansville.net
Subject:  Re: attachment


How about the sun and the wind?

It is time we started to take the enviroment SERIOUSLY!

For every pound of fuel we burn even a well tuned engine will burn 16
pounds of air! How long can the planet take it?

I have ordered some electric vehicles for resale. I believe it is time to
atleast starting to look at cleaner alternatives.....Greg




On	Wed, 18 Mar, Andrei Zaitsev wrote...
>*************************************************
>Date:	Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:14:17 -0500
>To:  proof@idt.net
>From: proof@idt.net
>Subject:  Re: attachment
>
>
>Moped Mailing List wrote:
>>
>> *************************************************
>> Date:  Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:13:18 -0500
>> To:	chrislo@cfw.com
>> From: chrislo@cfw.com
>> Subject:  attachment
>>
>> > Chris, what am I to think of you? Riding old mopeds OK, but keep
>> > away from my granny...
>> xie and i go way back, way before my first moped.
>>
>> >I do 30 Km on my peddle bike all the time, nothing scary about that.
>> i dunno. seems to me the buyers of these things shouldnt be going 30 -
>> unless they pedal, which is unlikely over longer distances. the motor
>> should only go about as fast as you do or youll get lazy and just use it
>> all the time.
>>
>> > Green party members buy electric bicycles over here.
>> aaaaaaaa. how unCOUTH of me to even suggest that. sorry. i hope they
>> plug em into a solar energy source?
>
>
>nuclear powered green party bicycles.	 Why the incredible blindness
>about the "zero emission" electric engine?  Where does that electricity
>come from?????
>
>
>



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:03:51 +0100
To:  
From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject:  Re: Tomos engine advice?


At 11:42 16-03-98 -0700, you wrote:
>*************************************************
>Date:	Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:45:19 -0500
>To:  proof@idt.net
>From: proof@idt.net
>Subject:  Re: Tomos engine advice?

>ok i have been off for a long time because of major puter problems. I am
>not calling anyone a cheat. But maybe i am just not with it. I bought my
>moped because i thought it would be transportation. So, dutifully
>following the Tomos manual's advice, I took the bike in for the 300 mile
>checkup (actually 300 kilometers - but i did not know about the odometer
>thing at the time). I was charged $113. Nothing was replaced but the
>spark plug. So please tell me if that is outrageous to you. If it is

You've been had, that's a price for half a overhaul. We (but that's in the
Netherlands) charge nothing at all the first two checkups. And if we do
charge for a normal checkup, it would be something like $ 60 inclusive oil
and spark plug.

>not, and that is what it costs to maintain a moped, then i will be
>getting rid of mine. It would be cheaper to operate a Ferrari.

So, find yourself another dealer.
Or better still, do it yourself.
Periodic maintenance can be done by anyone, I'm sure.

Cheers,



Hans Hartman



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:08:20 +0100
To:  
From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject:  Re: Gaskets for a cylinder


At 11:42 16-03-98 -0700, you wrote:
>*************************************************
>Date:	Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:59:43 -0600 (CST)
>To:  Moped Mailing List 
>From: ahunter@cc.UManitoba.CA
>Subject:  Gaskets for a cylinder

>back to -15. Never the less, I am preparing my 'ped ('74 Batavus GoGo
>a.k.a. VA50, I also have a '75 Motobecane Cady for those who want to know)
>for the season with a new piston and freshly honed cylinder.
>The small machine shop that did the honing for me suggested I put a thin
>paper gasket between the cylinder and the head. As far as I know there
>never was a gasket there and am pondering the implications. I can not
>think of any dire complications, but could be wrong. Comments on this
>topic? Thanks.

No gasket needed for the cylinder head. If the head is not straight
anymore, you can have it fixed at the same shop. Never use paper gaskets
between head and barrel!
Make sure all surfaces are REALLY clean, and no problems should occur.
Tighten the four nuts with 1.1 KGf

Cheers,



Hans Hartman



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:47:07 +0100
To:  
From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject:  Re: Mopeds


At 11:42 16-03-98 -0700, Ronny from  Norway wrote:
>*************************************************
>Date:	Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:38:45 +0100
>To:  
>From: rhalland@online.no
>Subject:  Mopeds

Hello Ronny,

>To me it seems like you would be the one to contact. I have just taken
>apart a 1960 mod. Motobecane (Mobymatic). As you understand i need
>spareparts, info, manual and advise. Please help me to get intouch with the
>right people.

Are Motobecane spares that rare in Norway?
Over here in the Netherlands these mopeds were bread-and-butter machines.
It is remarkeble how these mopeds and their parts always dissapear quite
rapidly.
I think parts should be obtainable however somewhere in Europe.
What parts do you need?

Cheers,




Hans Hartman



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:19:10 -0500
To:  chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject:  electricity


> > > Green party members buy electric bicycles over here.
> > aaaaaaaa. how unCOUTH of me to even suggest that. sorry. i hope they
> > plug em into a solar energy source?
>
> nuclear powered green party bicycles.   Why the incredible blindness
> about the "zero emission" electric engine?  Where does that electricity
> come from?????

yeah. in the germany we had this joke about what a typical
green-without-a-clue might say: i don't need any nuclear power, i get
all the electricity i need right out of the wall recepticles.
say, anyone who understands german can stop by

http://members.tripod.com/~xkraut/alb.html

and read up on my moped youth there. its not complete, and yes, i
pilfered the zuendapp zd25 pic from kjtools, but i dont have ant others
that good (without me on em). i also plan to add some sketches i did
during school (1000s of mopeds) so you can see exactly how bad this
moped afflication was that i had.



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:52:45 -0500
To:  chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject:  Re: 17 year old drivers


> Give us a break!!! LET THEM RIDE MOPEDS!

i think were all chanting "mopeds!mopeds!" at this point?
let them ride mopeds, let them eat cake, but make em ride a moped.

> I can't believe that you as a parent would advocate allowing 17 year olds to operate > and control the most dangerous machine known to man for the sake of such frivolous > pursuits as soccer practice! Give us a break.
> the minimum driving age should be 25. Let them ride mopeds until then. Are you a > parent to your kids or a slave to the auto-credit-insurance complex who is seeking to > enroll his kids in the "system"? Give us a break.

ooh. were getting on dangerous ground here. ive noticed that may
americans are actually slaves to their children; soccer this, boy scouts
that, then do their homework for them. they (the kids) NEED this in
order to be well-rounded and function within society. they have all
these NEEDS that NEED to be met. there used to be a word called "want"
("would like, please" was politer and got me these little star stickers
at school!) and a word called "need" and they meant different things.
on the other hand, if the brats get too obstreperous you take the easy
way out and plant em in front fo the tv, send them off to soccer so you
have the quiet house to yourself for what seems a few minutes before the
telephone rings and its your kid and he forgot his soccer shoes at home
and can you bring them to him.aw, shucks. cant help but love them. but
hey, im not making this up ive seen it firsthand (in nj, by the way).all
of a sudden "parenthood is a life sentence without parole"
am i being cynical here: you stick your kids in soccer for above
reasons, then give them your car so that theyre, as you reason, as safe
as possible on the way to and fro. dont want to be guilty of hurting
your child, especially in such a selfish context. what would the
neighbors think?
let em ride a moped. they'll socialize just as well, have AFFORDABLE
transportation that wont suck their college fund dry, (they can go to
work by moped to pay for that anyway, i hate it when the poor kids park
their cars in front of our mcdonalds during their shift instead of on
the back where they have to actually walk to work. EGAD!) plus a good
idea what it means to maintain a vehicle and how it operates. as far as
becoming responsible adults (where? where?) theyre a step closer to that
with a moped.


(of course moped laws will spoil a lot of the "necessary" fun, but, gee,
doesnt life suck sometimes)



Date:  Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:35:28 -0700
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: danyo@montrose.net
Subject:  Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS


Moped Mailing List wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:01:33 +0100
> To:  "Peter Staal" 
> From: staal@concepts.nl
> Subject:	Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS
>
> >
> >Ok Peter, I am confused. I dont know much about mechanics. Are you
> >saying that one can get a porting job (bigger hole) and keep the bike
> at
> >50cc's and that that is what brings most of the improvement?
> >
> >
> >
> Yep a standard 50cc gives , let's say 2.4 Hp and a standard 70cc gives
> 5HP.
> A good tuned, and long running 50cc cylinder and exhaust combination ,
> can
> give you also 4 to 7 Hp with in the 50cc law-required boundary ;-) at
> max
> you can gain upto 14 Hp for a short while (with profesional stuff on
> it).
> The game is in the gearing, no gearing only brute force rests you..
>
> If you bike runs on high rpm , remove all rpm restricors and make
> higher rpm
> possible by getting more mix in the cylinder in the same (or longer
> time) ,
> and get it out faster . By adjusting the ports (outlet upwards) and
> upto 62%
> of bore width (MAX.)(higth is better than width in the first place )
> go for
> at least 30-35% of stoke length.
>
> Inletport  have to be at least (not much more !) as much quadrant mm
> as the
> carb has with as less distortion of the flow (long manifold gives
> better low
> rmp perf. and short manifold more direct at high rpm , it is a
> choice....)
> (at least 15-22% of stroke or more(!) high) more ports is better as
> are more
> transfer ports , but a given cylinder is not always that easy to
> change...
> ;-(
>
>
>	 Bye, Peter Staal
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  Email: staal@concepts.nl
>  Home: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

   Hello Peter:

I found this message interesting.  Hope you don't mind my getting in on
it from a theory stand point.  I'm going to ask some technical
questions:

1.	What is the definition of "high" rpms?  Are there certain rpm range
standards in the industry for 50cc motors?
2.	Long running piston/cylinder:  To gain speed, are you extending the
distance that the piston is traveling?	If so, what custom parts must be
used?  Different head? crank?
3.	Larger ports make sense!  What does this do to the longivity of the
motor?	Does the additional power cause problems in the long run?
4.	How would additional power in combination with sprocket gearing work
for improving speed without loosing stock acceleration?

I always appreciate your comments.

Dan Johnson
Gunnison, CO





Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:44:06 -0700 (MST)
To:  
From: jback@nilenet.com
Subject:  Re: Mopeds


>*************************************************
>Date:	Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:38:45 +0100
>To:  
>From: rhalland@online.no
>Subject:  Hercules Prima 5S
>
>Howdy-doo;

   After years n' years of Whizzers & Cushmans I finally bought a moped: a
(unknown year) Sachs Hercules Prima 5S. I have to admit that I know bupkis
about anything I don't build/restore myself... so...

1. Is this considered a decent machine? (It's in good shape)

2. Parts availability??
   --- I need a new chain and a chain guard.


3. Titling--- problematic, I bought this thing (cheap, $50.00) off a guy in
the Air Force who only had a warranty card (in German). I doubt that it's
worth the $$$ to bond a title.

And anything else about the beast anyone can think up would be appreciated.


Cushman still rules...

Jack Backstreet



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:41:33 +0000
To:  johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
From: johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:29:47 -0500
> To:  proof@idt.net
> From: proof@idt.net
> Subject:	Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]; EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES
>
> As the auto rental companies have demonstrated, the minimum driving age
> should be 25. Let them ride mopeds until then.

It should be noted that part of the reason why rental companies stick to
a minimum age 25 hiring policy is because most drivers have 5/7 years
driving experience under their belts and have either calmed down or
killed themselves already!!!!!!

I still think 17 is a reasonable age to start learning to drive a car,
but like others that 13/14 is a good starting point for mopeds. People
are not born good drivers with road sense they have to learn it!

John




Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:45:45 +0000
To:  johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
From: johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:48:37 -0500
> To:  proof@idt.net
> From: proof@idt.net
> Subject:	Re: Importing Mopeds
>
> Hey you are right! Foreign moped manufacturers should be able to abolish
> prickly U.S. restricitions by going before the World Trade Organization
> and attacking these as barriers to free trade! Maybe they could abolish
> the EPA and the DMV as illegal barriers to free trade! How thrilling it
> would be to ride around on polluting, defective vehicles in support of
> the holy grail of free trade.

There are anomolies in every country which make for these problems. Here
in the UK (and I suspect the whole of europe) motorcycles are not
emission tested hence 2 stroke engines still thrive in small bikes.

Though I agree entirely that there should be a place for common sense in
regulations, which is probably is the best argument for not letting
beaurocrats draft them! ;-))

John




Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:03:46 +0000
To:  johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
From: johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
Subject:  Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle (fwd)


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> Motorcycles and motorized cycles (= mopeds and power-assisted bikes) are
> prohibited on many limited-access highways, regardless of their speed
> capabilities.
>
I have been reading this debate with interest. IN the UK we have
similair discussions as we too have the right to ride mopeds as part of
the car drivers licence (though not motorbikes without a further test).

In France where there is an acceptance that anything with under 50cc is
a moped, there is also a thriving tuning industry for mopeds. Here in
the UK the definition of a moped is now related to speed (maximum speed
of no more than 50kph).
There is however a loophole, the regulations in force at the time of
registration of a vehicle are (with certain exceptions) those which
relate to that vehicle for the whole of it's life whether that be 1 day
or 100 years. This may provide the possibility for other countries as
well, ie if you get a pre-1975 moped in the UK it must be under 50cc and
have pedals; so if you can make you moped do 80kph fine so long as you
tell DMV if you change the engine or engine capacity but vitally that
you tell your insurance company; who if you are over 25 will normally
take the view that you have a 50cc motorcycle that can do 80kph and bill
you accordingly.

I can understand people who commute on their mopeds to want the ability
to travel at a speed that is appropriate for the road they are on.
However all two wheelers of 50cc and under are banned from motorways
(interstates?) in the UK.

John



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:24:32 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject:  Re: Gaskets for a cylinder


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:16:02 -0500
> To:  laurinj@videotron.ca
> From: laurinj@videotron.ca
> Subject:	Re: Gaskets for a cylinder
>
> > Ah...life in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. We recently had temps. around
> > zero celsius and the snow was melting (very early for here) but we are
> > back to -15. Never the less, I am preparing my 'ped ('74 Batavus GoGo
> > a.k.a. VA50, I also have a '75 Motobecane Cady for those who want to know)
> > for the season with a new piston and freshly honed cylinder.
> > The small machine shop that did the honing for me suggested I put a thin
> > paper gasket between the cylinder and the head. As far as I know there
> > never was a gasket there and am pondering the implications. I can not
> > think of any dire complications, but could be wrong. Comments on this
> > topic? Thanks.
>
> According to the manual you'r right!! (see the graphic below)...
> /d/moped/engine.jpg
I tend to disagree. Very few cylinder/head combinations are honed to
such small torlerances that they are tight enough to withstand the
compression. The Cadys I saw all had a very thin metallic film for a
head gasket; you can actually make those quite easily; they're about
..4-.5mm thick. But never use paper as it will burn out in no time at
all. The Cady is a rather low-performing engine to begin with so one
neds to preserve the little compression one got.



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:44:41 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:02:13 -0500
> To:  proof@idt.net
> From: proof@idt.net
> Subject:	Re: Importing Mopeds
>
> Moped Mailing List wrote:
> >
> > *************************************************
> > Date:  Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:50:54 -0500
> > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > From: paltron@interlog.com
> > Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds
> >
> > Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > >
> > > *************************************************
> > > Date:  Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:59:59 -0500
> > > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > > From: paltron@interlog.com
> > > Subject:	Re: Importing Mopeds
> > >
> > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *************************************************
> > > > Date:  Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:02:42 EST
> > > > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > > > From: Huvz@aol.com
> > > > Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds
> > > >
> > > >  Clarke,
> > > >    You may want to check out the new line of DERBI mopeds, and scooters.
> > > >  I saw them recently at a bike show in CLeveland, Oh.	WOW, what a line of
> > > > COOL
> > > >  50cc bikes.  I am sure you could sell these babys! They are extra nice.
> > > >    They have one that looks like a Super Bike, one that looks like a  seriuos
> > > > Dirt Bike,
> > > >  and a complete line of moped/scooters. probably 10 models in all.
> > > >  I will try to find the brocure so I can give you the guys name that handles
> > > > dealers.
> > > >  Scott H
> > > Be prepared for a shock. They are terribly expensive, although in Europe
> > > Derbi is in the bottom third of the price range. Somebody must have
> > > flunked math in their pricing department as I can tell.
> > Follow-up: you can see some Derbis in the "museum" section of Moped
> > Magazine
> > http://www.interlog.com/~paltron/moped
>
> does the fact that they are already in a "museum" mean that they are
> already a failure and finished?
A museum is just a collection of fine pieces of art from a particular
time period (like the Guggenheim, or The Museum of Modern Art). It
doesn't necessarily have to mean "old".



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:42:42 -0500 (EST)
To:  Moped Mailing List 
From: danny@dreamscape.com
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds



I commented:
> > It might be easier to compile a list of who *doesn't* want their mopeds
> > imported into the US.  The problem is that many have to be modified to be
> > US legal, many are not especially well-made and most will have need major
> > dealer support for warranty, service and parts.  You have to make a major
> > committment or else you end up bringing in more obscure mopeds that get
> > orphaned like so many have before ...

And then  wrote in response:
> Hey you are right! Foreign moped manufacturers should be able to abolish
> prickly U.S. restricitions by going before the World Trade Organization
> and attacking these as barriers to free trade! Maybe they could abolish
> the EPA and the DMV as illegal barriers to free trade! How thrilling it
> would be to ride around on polluting, defective vehicles in support of
> the holy grail of free trade.

I never suggested that US regulations be abolished.  However, since we're
on the subject, many of our regulations do have the effect of restricting
trade, though I don't suggest that's their intent.  The problem is
differing regulations from Europe and Asia as compared with the US.  If
there were some mechanism for making them more uniform, everyone would
benefit.  The Europeans and Japanese don't intentionally allow scooters to
be sold in their markets that are unsafe or excessively pollute.  However,
there are different ideas how to achieve that, and that's the problem.

					~ Danny ~

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syracuse ska!!	 
all about scooters!!  
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Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:03:29 -0400 (EDT)
To:  <199803180133.TAA10307@shell.nothnbut.net>
From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject:  Re: stopped by cops


Beleive it or not, insurance isn't required in many states. New york
requires it for 2 out of 3 classes. My modepeds fall in the class that
doesn't require it. I guess the justification is that they really don't go
more than 20 mph.

Michael Liu

On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Moped Mailing List wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 03:07:22 -0500
> To:  proof@idt.net
> From: proof@idt.net
> Subject:	Re: stopped by cops
>
>
> Moped Mailing List wrote:
> >
> > *************************************************
> > Date:  Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:18:39 -0500
> > To:  chrislo@cfw.com
> > From: chrislo@cfw.com
> > Subject:  Re: stopped by cops
> >
> > > Hoo-boy, fear is running through my mind, I couldn't think of why I was being pulled over- I was in right lane and actually going pretty slowly.
> > haha! you basically know you've done nothing wrong and still you're
> > scared; i know all about that. the big car with two cops standing around
> > little you does that. (but goggles and a ski mask?!)
> > >he tells me that the palte doesn't mean anything
> > no car on the highway with plates means anything then either.
> > >proceed to point this out on the registration.
> > some kind of wise ass, are you?
> > > I ask why was I stopped and they say 9 times out of 10 these
> > > things aren't registered and are probably stolen.
> > and here in central va, theyre the last motor vehicle the town drunk
> > uses to get around with. not regsitered yes, stolen hardly. even a
> > bicycle would be smarter thing to steal.
>
>
> yeah really, you buy that crap - who is stealing mopeds?
> However, i find it hard to believe insurance is not required in NY.
> If insurance is required, it should be a nationalized industry.
>
>
>



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:51:31 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: CrUsHeR78@aol.com
Subject:  Re: stopped by cops


Most cops are real assholes when it comes to mopeds.  Thats why you should put
a speed kit on your ped so the next time you see the cops you can turn down a
side road, punch the throttle and watch those pigs get farther and father
behind.



Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:53:32 -0500
To:  chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject:  prima 5s


>	 After years n' years of Whizzers & Cushmans I finally bought a moped: a (unknown year) Sachs Hercules Prima 5S. I have to admit that I know bupkis
> about anything I don't build/restore myself... so...
>
> 1. Is this considered a decent machine? (It's in good shape)

the (in germany) immensely popular hercules m5 (2 speed) was renamed  -
i believe - in the early 80s to prima 5s with a few added extras, i
dunno, maybe streamers on the handlebars. (doesnt it also have a round
"igniton lock/light switch" in the "cockpit"?)
the girls choice!! but we wont tell. any m series hercules should do
parts-wise (well, the m1 had no shocks)

> 2. Parts availability??
>	 --- I need a new chain and a chain guard.
should be a zillion in germany, someone else had a herc here..?

> 3. Titling--- problematic, I bought this thing (cheap, $50.00) off a guy in the Air Force who only had a warranty card (in German). I doubt that it's worth the $$$ to bond a title.
>
> And anything else about the beast anyone can think up would be appreciated.

funny you should mention "whizzer". i'm thinking the spinning top type
toy i had as a kid. the sound of a tuned hercules always reminded me of
those. its definitely not a bad bike, tho i never liked the tiny
one-piece cylinder.
 if you can get an m4 exhaust pipe you'll accelerate faster right away,
as the original is pencil thin. the decompression thingy usually wears
out pretty quick or gets gummed up. the chain tighteners bend easily. so
if you dont want it ill take it. haha!!



> Cushman still rules...
>
> Jack Backstreet



Date:  Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:01:37 -0700
To:  "daugava@nothnbut.net" 
From: danyo@montrose.net
Subject:  European Salvage Yards


March 18, 1998

To: Our European mopedeers

I need some help in locating some moped/motorcycle salvage yards outside
of the US.	I recently found my Peugeot Sport and I'm sure that most of
it's parts will not be found on this side of the Atlantic.  If any of
you can give me either email or physical addresses to some locations I'd
appreciate it.	I'll do the footwork from that point.

If any one of you owns a Peugeot BB2S or BB3S, I'd like to hear from
you.  Additionally, if someone knows of a very old Peugeot moped
dealership and can give me their address, this would be helpful as
well.  I need to find a shop manual.  If it is written in French, this
is not a problem.

Thanks in advance for any help I might find.

Dan Johnson
Gunnison, CO



Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:15:28 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]; EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:59:01 -0700
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: danyo@montrose.net
> Subject:	Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]; EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES
>
> Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> > *************************************************
> >
> > Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:36:45 -0500
> > To:  proof@idt.net
> > From: proof@idt.net
> > Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old
> > drivers]; EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES
> >
> > Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > >
> > > *************************************************
> > > Date:  Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:17:08 -0600 (CST)
> > > To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
> > > From: cyclepro@evansville.net
> > > Subject:	Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old
> > drivers]; EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES
> > >
> > > On  Wed, 25 Feb, Andrei Zaitsev wrote...
> > > >If you are from NJ, please show support to opposition to this newly
> >
> > > >proposed law.  Please email your state senator and state
> > > >assemblyman/woman.  Thanks. John from NJ
> > >
> > > Think this one through. It is a tough one with all the pressure on
> > today’s
> > > kids. We have a similar law in Kentucky and it has saved some
> > children.
> > > Your child may be up to the responsablity but most are not. Children
> > lack
> > > the experience to proficiently operate a car in anything less than
> > ideal
> > > circumstances. Most think they can drive much better than they
> > really can
> > > and end up driving way over their real ability when they are not
> > > supervised. The result is dead and maimed people. This is serious
> > stuff.
> > > Many of todays kids skip the bicycle, moped, motorcycle phase and go
> >
> > > directly to the family lemo that don’t learn the respect for motion
> > and
> > > speed that they need.
> >
> > i agree wholeheartedly. Let them learn to ride a bike then a moped and
> >
> > let them fix them. This is just a pathetic parent who is sick of
> > driving
> > his kids around but cant recognize the mistake of his sorry choice of
> > Cherry Hill, NJ a lame subdivision lacking any culture whatsoever. Now
> >
> > he is trapped driving his kids around because the place is a typical
> > unwalkable, unbikable no-man's-land. It's sad to see how people really
> >
> > don't give a damn about their kids - but their kids know - there is no
> >
> > hiding that. Let them ride mopeds!
>
>	 March 17, 1998
>
> Guys:
>
> I think we have a catch-22 on our hands.	I agree/disagree a little bit
> with the whole situation of young people driving any type of motor
> vehicle.	I have a 20 year old going to college in Denver.  I started
> him off with a 62 Ford flatbed truck here in Gunnison where there are
> much fewer drivers.  His car broke down several months ago and neither
> he nor I have enough disposable cash to effect a major repair on it.	I
> recently picked up a Vespa Bravo for cheap and thought about letting him
> have it to go  to school.  However, after thinking about the traffic
> problems I decided against it and told him to get a bus pass.  I'd
> rather have an inconvenienced child than an injured or dead one.	For
> me, I prefer to see our children in cars (given the fact that they have
> had driver education) than on motorized bikes large or small.  Although
> I love the sport of motorcycling/pedding, they scare the hell out of me
> because I know what kind of injuries can be sustained in an accident.
> Most of the time you're gonna loose!!!  Any way, that's just my feeling.
>
> Dan


This may be true for motorcycles but it is total nonsense for mopeds and
scooters. Also if you think cars are safe, you are deluding yourself.
50,000 dead Americans per year - a Vietnam War every year.	Mopeds and
scooters generally allow you to go no more than 45 mph, usually much
less. Cars are usually going 70 mph or more out where you live. That may
not sound like a huge difference but the severity of injuries rises
something like exponentially with speed. Mopeds/scooters have a very
narrow profile making them both a smaller target and allowing
fantastically greater side-to-side maneuverability than a car. Cars
usually have very little side to side maneuverability when you think
about it. That is very dangerous - no room for error.

As far as feeling protected by surrounding yourself by steel and glass
and sitting just in front of 15 gallons of gasoline, think about it.
Rather than protecting, it often traps. Getting knocked off a bike
allows one to roll and tumble and dissipate the kinetic engergy (wear
leather). That's alot better than slamming into a dashboard that might
as well be a brick wall at 60 mph.

Part of the mindset of travelling by ped is to stay off the main roads.
That means getting good maps and knowing how to use them to select the
smaller roads. It also means travelling further and taking longer to get
where you are going. You have to accept that - but the mopeder will be
seeing the scenery instead of our lovely highway strip malls.  The car
companies have brainwashed alot of people into thinking that driving is
somehow safe - through all those safety commercials. Driving a 2 ton
piece of metal with a payload of gasoline around is one of the most
dangerous things you can do. I'd rather be on an airplane.



Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:38:26 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Tomos engine advice?


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:03:51 +0100
> To:  
> From: hansn@xs4all.nl
> Subject:	Re: Tomos engine advice?
>
> At 11:42 16-03-98 -0700, you wrote:
> >*************************************************
> >Date:  Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:45:19 -0500
> >To:	proof@idt.net
> >From: proof@idt.net
> >Subject:  Re: Tomos engine advice?
>
> >ok i have been off for a long time because of major puter problems. I am
> >not calling anyone a cheat. But maybe i am just not with it. I bought my
> >moped because i thought it would be cheap transportation. So, dutifully
> >following the Tomos manual's advice, I took the bike in for the 300 mile
> >checkup (actually 300 kilometers - but i did not know about the odometer
> >thing at the time). I was charged $113. Nothing was replaced but the
> >spark plug. So please tell me if that is outrageous to you. If it is
>
> You've been had, that's a price for half a overhaul. We (but that's in the
> Netherlands) charge nothing at all the first two checkups. And if we do
> charge for a normal checkup, it would be something like $ 60 inclusive oil
> and spark plug.
>
> >not, and that is what it costs to maintain a moped, then i will be
> >getting rid of mine. It would be cheaper to operate a Ferrari.
>
> So, find yourself another dealer.
> Or better still, do it yourself.
> Periodic maintenance can be done by anyone, I'm sure.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans Hartman

Ok Hans, thank you very much. Thank you for telling me what my common
sense tells me. I have been had. But when i dare criticize (very mildly)
this dealer, i am threatened and told that i am out of line. I can not
believe what America is turning into. This is like the Soviet Union in
the 1970s. Hans, the police here can now seize your property if they
suspect (proof not necessary) that you have drugs in it. People are
losing houses and boats because of one marijuana cigarette. But I do not
want to get too off topic.

I have said it once and I will say it again - the internet and this list
are not about one-way broadcasting. They are about communication. If
someone wants to use this list for advertising and he is too
thin-skinned to take criticism, he should advertise on his own web page.
I am not trying to speak for the list, only the owner (the guy who
spends time and effort to keep this going) can do that. I am only
restating what should be obvious to Americans. But I am not surprised
that it took a European and especially a Dutchman to stick up for the
freedom which we Americans are always bragging about but are rapidly
losing.

Yes, Hans I was under the impression that the first check-up was free so
i was quite shocked when i saw the bill. I then called all the other
moped dealers in the state and asked them what they charge for a
check-up. All quoted a price of 40-60 dollars. So again i do not think i
am out of line in using the word "outrageous". With dealers charging
prices like this, is it any wonder that so few people use mopeds or
scooters? Charges like that are self-defeating.

Yes, Hans, now i know, thanks to this list, that i can do most things
myself and yes i will find another dealer.

BTW, what town are you in? I visit Netherlands fairly often and my
favorite town so far is Haarlem. They have a wonderful program where you
can rent a room in someone's house very cheaply.



Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:49:40 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: 17 year old drivers


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:52:45 -0500
> To:  chrislo@cfw.com
> From: chrislo@cfw.com
> Subject:	Re: 17 year old drivers
>
> > Give us a break!!! LET THEM RIDE MOPEDS!
>
> i think were all chanting "mopeds!mopeds!" at this point?
> let them ride mopeds, let them eat cake, but make em ride a moped.
>
> > I can't believe that you as a parent would advocate allowing 17 year olds to operate > and control the most dangerous machine known to man for the sake of such frivolous > pursuits as soccer practice! Give us a break.
> > the minimum driving age should be 25. Let them ride mopeds until then. Are you a > parent to your kids or a slave to the auto-credit-insurance complex who is seeking to > enroll his kids in the "system"? Give us a break.
>
> ooh. were getting on dangerous ground here. ive noticed that may
> americans are actually slaves to their children; soccer this, boy scouts
> that, then do their homework for them. they (the kids) NEED this in
> order to be well-rounded and function within society. they have all
> these NEEDS that NEED to be met. there used to be a word called "want"
> ("would like, please" was politer and got me these little star stickers
> at school!) and a word called "need" and they meant different things.
> on the other hand, if the brats get too obstreperous you take the easy
> way out and plant em in front fo the tv, send them off to soccer so you
> have the quiet house to yourself for what seems a few minutes before the
> telephone rings and its your kid and he forgot his soccer shoes at home
> and can you bring them to him.aw, shucks. cant help but love them. but
> hey, im not making this up ive seen it firsthand (in nj, by the way).all
> of a sudden "parenthood is a life sentence without parole"
> am i being cynical here: you stick your kids in soccer for above
> reasons, then give them your car so that theyre, as you reason, as safe
> as possible on the way to and fro. dont want to be guilty of hurting
> your child, especially in such a selfish context. what would the
> neighbors think?
> let em ride a moped. they'll socialize just as well, have AFFORDABLE
> transportation that wont suck their college fund dry, (they can go to
> work by moped to pay for that anyway, i hate it when the poor kids park
> their cars in front of our mcdonalds during their shift instead of on
> the back where they have to actually walk to work. EGAD!) plus a good
> idea what it means to maintain a vehicle and how it operates. as far as
> becoming responsible adults (where? where?) theyre a step closer to that
> with a moped.
>
> (of course moped laws will spoil a lot of the "necessary" fun, but, gee,
> doesnt life suck sometimes)


I agree with you 100% but there is one other important element that is
missing in this analysis. The reason that the kids need a vehicle at all
and that the parent is "enslaved" to the kid is that we have designed
America not for people and especially not for kids but for CARS. If this
person lived in a city or compact town, the whole discussion would be
moot. Kids could simply walk and bike everywhere. They would have a true
taste of independance. But I notice that America is not about
independance any more.	I grew up in and have always lived in cities and
i still dont have a car. I am saving at a minimum 6000 AFTER-TAX dollars
per year. That's about 9000 pre-tax dollars. I have to listen to people
whose incomes are 5 or 6 times mine complain about how far in debt they
are and they cant figure out why. Again, give us a break.



Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:52:40 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:41:33 +0000
> To:  johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
> From: johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
> Subject:	Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]
>
> Moped Mailing List wrote:
> >
> > *************************************************
> > Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:29:47 -0500
> > To:  proof@idt.net
> > From: proof@idt.net
> > Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]; EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES
> >
> > As the auto rental companies have demonstrated, the minimum driving age
> > should be 25. Let them ride mopeds until then.
>
> It should be noted that part of the reason why rental companies stick to
> a minimum age 25 hiring policy is because most drivers have 5/7 years
> driving experience under their belts and have either calmed down or
> killed themselves already!!!!!!
>
> I still think 17 is a reasonable age to start learning to drive a car,
> but like others that 13/14 is a good starting point for mopeds. People
> are not born good drivers with road sense they have to learn it!
>
> John

Yes, and the best drivers are people who have been riding bicycles since
they were small. That is becoming rarer believe it or not.



Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:59:02 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: stopped by cops


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:51:31 EST
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: CrUsHeR78@aol.com
> Subject:	Re: stopped by cops
>
> Most cops are real assholes when it comes to mopeds.	Thats why you should put
> a speed kit on your ped so the next time you see the cops you can turn down a
> side road, punch the throttle and watch those pigs get farther and father
> behind.


hehehehe   Right on dude. the best thing is if you can rocket the wrong
way down one way streets and then disappear in the woods or something.



Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:03:51 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:44:41 -0500
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: paltron@interlog.com
> Subject:	Re: Importing Mopeds
>
> Moped Mailing List wrote:
> >
> > *************************************************
> > Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:02:13 -0500
> > To:  proof@idt.net
> > From: proof@idt.net
> > Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds
> >
> > Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > >
> > > *************************************************
> > > Date:  Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:50:54 -0500
> > > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > > From: paltron@interlog.com
> > > Subject:	Re: Importing Mopeds
> > >
> > > Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *************************************************
> > > > Date:  Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:59:59 -0500
> > > > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > > > From: paltron@interlog.com
> > > > Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds
> > > >
> > > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > *************************************************
> > > > > Date:  Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:02:42 EST
> > > > > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > > > > From: Huvz@aol.com
> > > > > Subject:	Re: Importing Mopeds
> > > > >
> > > > >  Clarke,
> > > > >	 You may want to check out the new line of DERBI mopeds, and scooters.
> > > > >  I saw them recently at a bike show in CLeveland, Oh.   WOW, what a line of
> > > > > COOL
> > > > >  50cc bikes.	I am sure you could sell these babys! They are extra nice.
> > > > >	 They have one that looks like a Super Bike, one that looks like a	seriuos
> > > > > Dirt Bike,
> > > > >  and a complete line of moped/scooters. probably 10 models in all.
> > > > >  I will try to find the brocure so I can give you the guys name that handles
> > > > > dealers.
> > > > >  Scott H
> > > > Be prepared for a shock. They are terribly expensive, although in Europe
> > > > Derbi is in the bottom third of the price range. Somebody must have
> > > > flunked math in their pricing department as I can tell.
> > > Follow-up: you can see some Derbis in the "museum" section of Moped
> > > Magazine
> > > http://www.interlog.com/~paltron/moped
> >
> > does the fact that they are already in a "museum" mean that they are
> > already a failure and finished?
> A museum is just a collection of fine pieces of art from a particular
> time period (like the Guggenheim, or The Museum of Modern Art). It
> doesn't necessarily have to mean "old".


ok well i don't want to get too off topic here but "fine art" is defined
by certain interests. There is a whole industry that revolves around
creating hype about certain types of art and not others. Some prominent
players are the New York Times, public television, corporate foundations
and the above mentioned museums. As far as I am concerned, the stuff in
those museums is ideological garbage and clearly has no relevance to the
lives of the people. They are simply unique prestige objects for the
super rich. So, you see, "museum" is a loaded term.



Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:08:21 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:42:42 -0500 (EST)
> To:  Moped Mailing List 
> From: danny@dreamscape.com
> Subject:	Re: Importing Mopeds
>
> I commented:
> > > It might be easier to compile a list of who *doesn't* want their mopeds
> > > imported into the US.  The problem is that many have to be modified to be
> > > US legal, many are not especially well-made and most will have need major
> > > dealer support for warranty, service and parts.  You have to make a major
> > > committment or else you end up bringing in more obscure mopeds that get
> > > orphaned like so many have before ...
>
> And then  wrote in response:
> > Hey you are right! Foreign moped manufacturers should be able to abolish
> > prickly U.S. restricitions by going before the World Trade Organization
> > and attacking these as barriers to free trade! Maybe they could abolish
> > the EPA and the DMV as illegal barriers to free trade! How thrilling it
> > would be to ride around on polluting, defective vehicles in support of
> > the holy grail of free trade.
>
> I never suggested that US regulations be abolished.  However, since we're
> on the subject, many of our regulations do have the effect of restricting
> trade, though I don't suggest that's their intent.  The problem is
> differing regulations from Europe and Asia as compared with the US.  If
> there were some mechanism for making them more uniform, everyone would
> benefit.	The Europeans and Japanese don't intentionally allow scooters to
> be sold in their markets that are unsafe or excessively pollute.	However,
> there are different ideas how to achieve that, and that's the problem.
>
>										  ~ Danny ~
>
> ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
> syracuse ska!!   
> all about scooters!!	
> -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-


I was being sarcastic dude. I am really attacking the companies that are
too lame to adapt themselves to important markets. Some of you will
realize that i am talking about Piaggio. The Japanese on the other hand
will bend over backwards, even accepting losses for years, to become
established in a market. American companies now seem to want to use the
bludgeon of the WTO to gain access to markets that they are unwilling to
work to attain.



Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:36:13 -0600
To:  "Mailing List" 
From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject:  Good news


Just read this in the latest issue of "Walneck's Classic Cycle Trader"
(sold in convenience stores, also
has a website at www.traderonline.com):
"We would like to expand out format a little and get MORE MOTORSCOOTERS AND
MOTORBIKES... However we need more ads to make this a separate category.
If you have any Whizzer, Cushman, Simplex, American, Doodlebug, etc...
bikes or parts or needs for a "Wanted" ad, please start sending them now."

Andrew




Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:38:06 -0500
To:  Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject:  Re: stopped by cops


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:51:31 EST
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: CrUsHeR78@aol.com
> Subject:	Re: stopped by cops
>
> Most cops are real assholes when it comes to mopeds.	Thats why you should put
> a speed kit on your ped so the next time you see the cops you can turn down a
> side road, punch the throttle and watch those pigs get farther and father
> behind.
Agree 100% - Tim and Alene



Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:49:38 -0700
To:  "'daugava@nothnbut.net'" 
From: rbusche@es.com
Subject:  RE: 17 year old drivers


Another point of view....


I have to say that I believe 16 is old enough to get driving privileges
of some sort. Arguably it might make sense for a "new driver" to have
some level of restriction or actual hours behind the wheel before he/she
has unlimited driving privileges. As for the issue of Soccer and such,
in my family I try to support my children (not to get rid of them) to
allow them to experience life. Driving falls into this as well. My sons
(13 and 15+) both have mopeds. I like this because they learn
responsibly, learn how to maintain mechanical devices AND save some
money as well. When my son gets his learners permit, I expect him to be
responsible. When he gets his license I welcome his help in shuttling
his brother to Soccer and helping with other driving requirements around
the house. In my opinion it all boils down to responsibility. If he is
proven to not be responsible, its my position as his father to restrict
his driving in an automobile.

Just my $.02

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Andrei Zaitsev [SMTP:daugava@nothnbut.net]
	Sent:	Wednesday, March 18, 1998 3:52 PM
	To: Moped Mailing List
	Subject:	Re: 17 year old drivers

	*************************************************
	Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:52:45 -0500
	To:  chrislo@cfw.com
	From: chrislo@cfw.com
	Subject:  Re: 17 year old drivers


	> Give us a break!!! LET THEM RIDE MOPEDS!

	i think were all chanting "mopeds!mopeds!" at this point?
	let them ride mopeds, let them eat cake, but make em ride a
moped.

	> I can't believe that you as a parent would advocate allowing
17 year olds to operate > and control the most dangerous machine known
to man for the sake of such frivolous > pursuits as soccer practice!
Give us a break.
	> the minimum driving age should be 25. Let them ride mopeds
until then. Are you a > parent to your kids or a slave to the
auto-credit-insurance complex who is seeking to > enroll his kids in the
"system"? Give us a break.

	ooh. were getting on dangerous ground here. ive noticed that may
	americans are actually slaves to their children; soccer this,
boy scouts
	that, then do their homework for them. they (the kids) NEED this
in
	order to be well-rounded and function within society. they have
all
	these NEEDS that NEED to be met. there used to be a word called
"want"
	("would like, please" was politer and got me these little star
stickers
	at school!) and a word called "need" and they meant different
things.
	on the other hand, if the brats get too obstreperous you take
the easy
	way out and plant em in front fo the tv, send them off to soccer
so you
	have the quiet house to yourself for what seems a few minutes
before the
	telephone rings and its your kid and he forgot his soccer shoes
at home
	and can you bring them to him.aw, shucks. cant help but love
them. but
	hey, im not making this up ive seen it firsthand (in nj, by the
way).all
	of a sudden "parenthood is a life sentence without parole"
	am i being cynical here: you stick your kids in soccer for above
	reasons, then give them your car so that theyre, as you reason,
as safe
	as possible on the way to and fro. dont want to be guilty of
hurting
	your child, especially in such a selfish context. what would the
	neighbors think?
	let em ride a moped. they'll socialize just as well, have
AFFORDABLE
	transportation that wont suck their college fund dry, (they can
go to
	work by moped to pay for that anyway, i hate it when the poor
kids park
	their cars in front of our mcdonalds during their shift instead
of on
	the back where they have to actually walk to work. EGAD!) plus a
good
	idea what it means to maintain a vehicle and how it operates. as
far as
	becoming responsible adults (where? where?) theyre a step closer
to that
	with a moped.


	(of course moped laws will spoil a lot of the "necessary" fun,
but, gee,
	doesnt life suck sometimes)




Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:48:50 -0600
To:  "Mailing List" 
From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds


> hehehehe	 Right on dude. the best thing is if you can rocket the wrong
> way down one way streets and then disappear in the woods or something.
There's a story about escaping:
/d/moped/STORY2.HTM

BTW, I got stopped by cop last night. Fortunately, I was fully equipped -
had Missouri Drivers'
Guide one me - so I was able to show the "no helmet required" part.
Interestingly, the policeman
took my word for it, saying "I can't read it myself - don't have my
glasses". After he left, I realized what he
in fact said - he needs glasses and yet he drives on duty without them :)

Andrew



Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:02:29 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject:  Re: kinetic


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:41:33 -0600 (CST)
> To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
> From: cyclepro@evansville.net
> Subject:	Re: kinetic
>
> On  Wed, 18 Mar, Andrei Zaitsev wrote...
> >*************************************************
> >Date:  Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:15:00
> >To:	
> >From: Laksivark@earthling.net
> >Subject:  kinetic
> >
> >
>
> Plug gap is 5 to 6mm.
>
Learn your metric, kiddo! 5-6mm is about 1/4 of an inch. You meant to
say .5-.6mm, I hope.



Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:06:01 -0500
To:  
From: bigjem@sprintmail.com
Subject: Subject Unknown


Can anyone help me find Puch's phone #?  I need a manual for a 1980 Newport
2.



Date:  Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:25:02 +0100
To:  "Peter Staal" 
From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject:  Re: 50 en Tomos TL impressies



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Andrei Zaitsev 
Aan: Moped Mailing List 
Datum: woensdag 18 maart 1998 2:54
Onderwerp: 50 en Tomos TL impressies



Some nice meeting photo''s ... dutch text no problem ...
http://www.worldaccess.nl/~rbz/puch.htm




Date:  Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:37:28 +0100
To:  "Peter Staal" 
From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject:  Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Andrei Zaitsev 
Aan: Moped Mailing List 
Datum: donderdag 19 maart 1998 1:30
Onderwerp: Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS


>*************************************************
>Date:	Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:35:28 -0700
>To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: danyo@montrose.net
>Subject:  Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS
>
>
>Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
>> *************************************************
>> Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:01:33 +0100
>> To:	"Peter Staal" 
>> From: staal@concepts.nl
>> Subject:  Re: More power for Joe's 91 TOMOS
>>
>> >
>> >Ok Peter, I am confused. I dont know much about mechanics. Are you
>> >saying that one can get a porting job (bigger hole) and keep the bike
>> at
>> >50cc's and that that is what brings most of the improvement?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Yep a standard 50cc gives , let's say 2.4 Hp and a standard 70cc gives
>> 5HP.
>> A good tuned, and long running 50cc cylinder and exhaust combination ,
>> can
>> give you also 4 to 7 Hp with in the 50cc law-required boundary ;-) at
>> max
>> you can gain upto 14 Hp for a short while (with profesional stuff on
>> it).
>> The game is in the gearing, no gearing only brute force rests you..
>>
>> If you bike runs on high rpm , remove all rpm restricors and make
>> higher rpm
>> possible by getting more mix in the cylinder in the same (or longer
>> time) ,
>> and get it out faster . By adjusting the ports (outlet upwards) and
>> upto 62%
>> of bore width (MAX.)(higth is better than width in the first place )
>> go for
>> at least 30-35% of stoke length.
>>
>> Inletport  have to be at least (not much more !) as much quadrant mm
>> as the
>> carb has with as less distortion of the flow (long manifold gives
>> better low
>> rmp perf. and short manifold more direct at high rpm , it is a
>> choice....)
>> (at least 15-22% of stroke or more(!) high) more ports is better as
>> are more
>> transfer ports , but a given cylinder is not always that easy to
>> change...
>> ;-(
>>
>>
>>	  Bye, Peter Staal
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>	Email: staal@concepts.nl
>>	Home: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>	Hello Peter:
>
>I found this message interesting.	Hope you don't mind my getting in on
>it from a theory stand point.	I'm going to ask some technical
>questions:
>
>1.  What is the definition of "high" rpms?  Are there certain rpm range
>standards in the industry for 50cc motors?
for a moped 10000 rpm i consider as high, but for racing they go upto 18000
rpm. What a sound that has ...:-), my standard tomos makes 6500 rpm, for a
indication. some japanesh machines run upto 10000 rpm standard .

>2.  Long running piston/cylinder:	To gain speed, are you extending the
>distance that the piston is traveling?  If so, what custom parts must be
>used?	Different head? crank?
Oh no, i'm not changing the construction of the motor, (as a mater of fact a
shorter stroke is the most efficient) only when serious power is wanted a
extra strong rod comes in place and/or new/better crankshaft bearings.

>3.  Larger ports make sense!  What does this do to the longivity of the
>motor?  Does the additional power cause problems in the long run?
Not realy , when not tuned to the limits (or did a sloppy job) [tuning is
not more than correcting what the original constructors or manufacturer
didn't do right in the first place] a  ped can normaly last as much km as a
standard one (only faster :-) ),  a point of mentioning is that the overall
construction of the ped must be very solid and good brakes are a MUST. More
speed means more (possible) risk so you can't play with the safety details.
tuning a vespa piagio is not a good job, for the same effort you better can
start with a zundapp or kreidler or any other motorbike type of moped, at
the end they last longer. If you have to , because the back-fork is not that
thick, you can stengthen it by welding a profile to it.


>4.  How would additional power in combination with sprocket gearing work
>for improving speed without loosing stock acceleration?
>
Sprocket gear ? is that no gear, only a auto-clutch?
Anyhow, no matter what gearing type ,more power means more acceleration,
always. only if you change the gearing of the chain wheels you can convert
it in more speed. So if your moped keeps running 40 km/h regardless down or
uphill, a new set of chainwheels (yes in a different size) can work like a
miracle (50 uphill/60 downhill) [smaller chainwheel in the back or bigger
wheel in the front]
If you overdo it and uphill goes 30 or not at all,( change back to some
thing inbetween this and your original set. or better go tooth by tooth to
make sure, some times one can make a big difference. )or you can act to the
reason of this big fallback a lack of power.

The more rpm the more power, power is nothing more than the energy
(conceiled in the moving piston/rod/crank) given in a amount of time so if
doubled rpm, power also doubles (to all who know better, yes not exactly),
but same rpm with a piston twice as heavy it works too ;-)..but than you
need a heavier block and have a 50cc harley

With hand/feed geared mopeds also  the performance-band is importand to get
a smooth operating moped, so if torque is available from 1000-7000 a ped
runs fine but with a band from 12000-15000 driving is a lot less simple, you
have to stay in high rpm even while shifting and braking, when under the
powerband you have to use the clutch to regain rpm again (and loose speed),
and when power applicable it is there, ALL of it, even in curves and in
rain, especialy in combination, in	practice i even drive slower than a
standard ped, in city traffic and rain, not only for the noise, when opening
throttle ;-) they can hear you leave for a mile.;-)


>I always appreciate your comments.
>
Thanks ;)

>Dan Johnson
>Gunnison, CO
>

   Bye, Peter Staal
----------------------------------------------------------------------
 Email: staal@concepts.nl
 Home: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
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>
>
>



Date:  Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:50:17 +0100
To:  "Peter Staal" 
From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject:  Re: attachment



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Andrei Zaitsev 
Aan: Moped Mailing List 
Datum: donderdag 19 maart 1998 1:31
Onderwerp: Re: attachment


>*************************************************
>Date:	Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:23:33 -0600 (CST)
>To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
>From: cyclepro@evansville.net
>Subject:  Re: attachment
>
>
>How about the sun and the wind?
>
>It is time we started to take the enviroment SERIOUSLY!
>
>For every pound of fuel we burn even a well tuned engine will burn 16
>pounds of air! How long can the planet take it?
>
>I have ordered some electric vehicles for resale. I believe it is time to
>atleast starting to look at cleaner alternatives.....Greg
>
>
>
>
>On  Wed, 18 Mar, Andrei Zaitsev wrote...
>>*************************************************
>>Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:14:17 -0500
>>To:  proof@idt.net
>>From: proof@idt.net
>>Subject:	Re: attachment
>>
>>
>>Moped Mailing List wrote:
>>>
>>> *************************************************
>>> Date:  Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:13:18 -0500
>>> To:  chrislo@cfw.com
>>> From: chrislo@cfw.com
>>> Subject:  attachment
>>>
>>> > Chris, what am I to think of you? Riding old mopeds OK, but keep
>>> > away from my granny...
>>> xie and i go way back, way before my first moped.
>>>
>>> >I do 30 Km on my peddle bike all the time, nothing scary about that.
>>> i dunno. seems to me the buyers of these things shouldnt be going 30 -
>>> unless they pedal, which is unlikely over longer distances. the motor
>>> should only go about as fast as you do or youll get lazy and just use it
>>> all the time.
>>>
>>> > Green party members buy electric bicycles over here.
>>> aaaaaaaa. how unCOUTH of me to even suggest that. sorry. i hope they
>>> plug em into a solar energy source?
>>
>>
>>nuclear powered green party bicycles.   Why the incredible blindness
>>about the "zero emission" electric engine?  Where does that electricity
>>come from?????
>>
>>
>>
>
Whow it had to happen once this discussion, what about : lets burn all that
good stuff when it is still affortable, prices rise, so lets burn it now, in
the end, all gas / oil will be used who are you gidding. I vote let's use it
now while you still can , the sooner this madness has ended and taken up in
the history as the second dark-ages. in the meanwhile i still enjoy it, and
be serious how long do you live, you drive a moped ... bad for statistics
:-)

Btw how was El Nìno this year, had fun?
Here winter was gone, not that bad at all ...

Peter.

>
>



Date:  Fri, 20 Mar 1998 02:02:54 +0100
To:  "Peter Staal" 
From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Andrei Zaitsev 
Aan: Moped Mailing List 
Datum: donderdag 19 maart 1998 1:31
Onderwerp: Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]


>*************************************************
>Date:	Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:41:33 +0000
>To:  johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
>From: johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
>Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers]
>
>
>Moped Mailing List wrote:
>>
>> *************************************************
>> Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:29:47 -0500
>> To:	proof@idt.net
>> From: proof@idt.net
>> Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old
drivers]; EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES
>>
>> As the auto rental companies have demonstrated, the minimum driving age
>> should be 25. Let them ride mopeds until then.
>
>It should be noted that part of the reason why rental companies stick to
>a minimum age 25 hiring policy is because most drivers have 5/7 years
>driving experience under their belts and have either calmed down or
>killed themselves already!!!!!!
>
>I still think 17 is a reasonable age to start learning to drive a car,
>but like others that 13/14 is a good starting point for mopeds. People
>are not born good drivers with road sense they have to learn it!
>
>John
>
>
Hi John,
At 13/14 i only wreaked (otherwise good) mopeds, thinking they could jump
from a hill and that stuff, at 16 i wouldn't have one (when it became legal)
,seen too many misery. from my 17 i became a moped addict till now, all
major crashes i had under 18, but i think i would have had some of them too
later when started at a higher age, and than being not so flexible ,having
heavier injuries. when 30 you don't think about rolling over with your ped
just for fun. when 14 it is the ultimate thrill and done until the moped is
absolute dead.(a solex with cardan-shaft, now worth big bucks)	that's how
kids are ;-).
Peter.
>
>



Date:  Fri, 20 Mar 1998 02:10:33 +0100
To:  "Peter Staal" 
From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject:  Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Andrei Zaitsev 
Aan: Moped Mailing List 
Datum: donderdag 19 maart 1998 1:32
Onderwerp: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle


>*************************************************
>Date:	Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:03:31 -0500
>To:  proof@idt.net
>From: proof@idt.net
>Subject:  Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle
>
>
>Moped Mailing List wrote:
>>
>> *************************************************
>> Date:  Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:57:32 -0500
>> To:	chrislo@cfw.com
>> From: chrislo@cfw.com
>> Subject:  Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle
>>
>> > > >What the end user does, is therefore the users
>> > > > responsiblity. Anyone who buys a Biturbo pipe is free to do with it
what they want. when you choose to use it for some other creative
>> > > > purpose-it is your own responsibility.
>> > >
>> > > here we go again. any ambulance-chasing lawyer will tell you
otherwise.
>> > > its anyones fault but yours.
>>
>> > Ok so take your moped (before you modify it) down to the DMV and take
>> > the motorcycle test. In NJ at least you can take the motorcycle test
>> > with a moped or scooter.
>>
>> neat. the thing is if you do modify and dont make it leaglyou cant
>> really afford to crash, you dont have that option aymore as far as im
>> concerned
>
>what is illegal about someone with a motorcycle license riding a 70 cc
>bike?
>
>
no insurance paid for a (that) motor ?
no motor registration plates on your vehicle ?
no type certification ?
your top speed , after convincing them that it is realy a moped , and you
only adapted when you had a DEEP scratch in your cylinder..
any more ?
Peter.
>



Date:  Fri, 20 Mar 1998 02:24:00 +0100
To:  "Peter Staal" 
From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject:  Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle (fwd)



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Andrei Zaitsev 
Aan: Moped Mailing List 
Datum: donderdag 19 maart 1998 1:35
Onderwerp: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle (fwd)


>*************************************************
>Date:	Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:03:46 +0000
>To:  johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
>From: johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
>Subject:  Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle (fwd)
>
>
>Moped Mailing List wrote:
>>
>> Motorcycles and motorized cycles (= mopeds and power-assisted bikes) are
>> prohibited on many limited-access highways, regardless of their speed
>> capabilities.
>>
>I have been reading this debate with interest. IN the UK we have
>similair discussions as we too have the right to ride mopeds as part of
>the car drivers licence (though not motorbikes without a further test).
>
>In France where there is an acceptance that anything with under 50cc is
>a moped, there is also a thriving tuning industry for mopeds. Here in
>the UK the definition of a moped is now related to speed (maximum speed
>of no more than 50kph).
>There is however a loophole, the regulations in force at the time of
>registration of a vehicle are (with certain exceptions) those which
>relate to that vehicle for the whole of it's life whether that be 1 day
>or 100 years. This may provide the possibility for other countries as
>well, ie if you get a pre-1975 moped in the UK it must be under 50cc and
>have pedals; so if you can make you moped do 80kph fine so long as you
>tell DMV if you change the engine or engine capacity but vitally that
>you tell your insurance company; who if you are over 25 will normally
>take the view that you have a 50cc motorcycle that can do 80kph and bill
>you accordingly.
>
>I can understand people who commute on their mopeds to want the ability
>to travel at a speed that is appropriate for the road they are on.
>However all two wheelers of 50cc and under are banned from motorways
>(interstates?) in the UK.
>
>John
>
>
Hi ,
I understood that in france all 50cc's with auto gears are mopeds and
hand/feet shifted mopeds are motors, at least the gendarme let us pass over
the (Toll) highway (motors allowed, no mopeds). In france they have never
seen a old puch or tomos so they don't know what to do with it. A bit the
pan-european law , hum, where they came from this must be legal, so it must
be legal here too :-) in fact it is . If your moped is registrated somewhere
in the EC you can drive it with the restrictions of the land of origin so a
italian vespa scooter who runs 80kh standard is now legal in UK or NL (all
up to 4HP) european law, provides above local law in court ;-). you have to
obly the local trafic rules still, sorry.
Peter.

>



Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:05:27 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Gokartridr@aol.com
Subject:  Re: stopped by cops


I agree that cops are assholes.  They are always all over you for some stupid
ass reason.  Why dont they leave us alone?	Were not doing anything bad
anyway.  I think that the cops here in va should keep focus on the 5:00
traffic jam rather than a bunch of kids on peds'.

Nathan...<>



Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:28:05 +0100
To:  
From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old


Oh my god,
At 17:51 18-03-98 EST, Dan wrote:
>*************************************************
>Date:	Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:59:01 -0700
>To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: danyo@montrose.net
>Subject:  Re: [Fwd: Proposed Legislation to restrict 17 year old drivers];
EMAIL YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES

>Guys:
>
>I think we have a catch-22 on our hands.  I agree/disagree a little bit
>with the whole situation of young people driving any type of motor
>vehicle.  I have a 20 year old going to college in Denver.  I started
>him off with a 62 Ford flatbed truck here in Gunnison where there are
>much fewer drivers.  His car broke down several months ago and neither
>he nor I have enough disposable cash to effect a major repair on it.  I
>recently picked up a Vespa Bravo for cheap and thought about letting him
>have it to go	to school.	However, after thinking about the traffic
>problems I decided against it and told him to get a bus pass.	I'd
>rather have an inconvenienced child than an injured or dead one.  For
>me, I prefer to see our children in cars (given the fact that they have
>had driver education) than on motorized bikes large or small.	Although
>I love the sport of motorcycling/pedding, they scare the hell out of me
>because I know what kind of injuries can be sustained in an accident.
>Most of the time you're gonna loose!!!  Any way, that's just my feeling.

Now let me get this straight... You have a son 20!! years of age, and you
still decide for him what sort of transport he should use? Then you (in
your infinite parental wisdom) decide to give him a nice, 36 year old truck
to drive -which confirms my doubts by falling apart- around *safely*?

I guess you never have seen the havoc a small truck can cause to other
people *and* the driver if he (or she) makes a mistake and causes an
accident. On a moped the driver is only liable to injure himself.

I am glad (and proud) that kids over here (netherlands) do not need that
many years to come to a degree of wisdom which enables them to drive around
any vehicle they choose. I think 16 is a great age to start of with a moped
or light motorcycle. Besides, anyone older then 18 is entirly responsible
for his own actions over here, and can decide to ride, screw,  eat, smoke
or drink anything he chooses.


Cheers,







Hans Hartman



Date:  Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:10:46 -0500
To:  
From: ghazleton@ee.net
Subject:  Temple of speed


temple of speed moped/vespa repair..... 	templeofspeed@usa.net



Date:  Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:17:55
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: templeofspeed@usa.net
Subject:  moped classified


WANTED: side panels for motobecane SP50 ,1964. Will pay an outrageous price if you've got what I need. copper metallic color. Don't know what an SP50 is??? email:  templeofspeed@usa net.


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Date:  Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:10:28 -0500
To:  chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject:  herc


oops. i was still thinking of the m series (25kmh) when i wrote "get an
m4 exhaust" for your prima 5 s. the p series (40kmh )is what i meant. a
p3 pipe is bigger, but fairly rare.



Date:  21 Mar 97 22:57:21 +0000
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: zac.beeston@trak-one.co.uk
Subject:  missing


Hi,
Does anyone know off common reasons why my moped keeps "missing" when cold?
I've replaced the spark plug and HT cap and nothing seems to work. Cheers!

Zac
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Date:  Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:05:40 -0500
To:  chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject:  mopeds


what i was afraid of at 15 during school hours (neat helmet hair, and a
very illegal handlebar!):
http://members.tripod.com/~xkraut/cops.gif

several of 100s of pics scribbled into my notebooks:
http://members.tripod.com/~xkraut/2rad.gif



Date:  Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:13:33 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Dashaun84@aol.com
Subject:  Re: 1961 peugeot sport moped


I am very interrested in buying your moped but what kind of condition is it in
,where is it located, and how much do you want for it.
PLEASE REPLY



Date:  Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:15:10 -0500 (EST)
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: will@river.netrover.com
Subject:  frustrations pt.2


hey everyone.
thanks for all the input on the breaking of the woodruff keys.	whoever said
that there wasn't enough torque on the flywheel was right.  my condenser was
also shot, so once i replaced it and put the flywheel back on it runs like a
dream.
thanks again
gord...



Date:  Mon, 23 Mar 1998 01:23:32 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: CDAmos@webtv.net
Subject:  Hello!,  I need complete tomos parts,price list.



See ya! ---    D.A.



Date:  Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:17:03 -0500
To:  
From: taylorh@bright.net
Subject:  motobecane owners


Motobecane owners
   Sorry about not answering any massages sent to me (Bob Taylor)
>6828t@bright.net<. My hard drive did the no no. I now can call it crash, I
have lost everbodys email all of my files. I have sent my computer in to
get it fixed shouold be up and running in a few days. I HOPE,
THANK YOU
Bob Taylor
Pres. U.S.A. Motobecane Club



Date:  Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:29:29 -0800
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: cbowker@pc6.apscc.nau.edu
Subject:  Cimatti City Bike


I have recently reclaimed my old moped from my Dads back Yard.	It is a
Cimatti City Bike, made in January of 1975, and it has a Motori
Minarelli engine.  It runs well, but I would like to locate a dealer
(and a manual). 				  Thanks,  Chuck Bowker



Date:  Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:22:26 -0600 (CST)
To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
From: cyclepro@evansville.net
Subject:  Re: kinetic


YEP! your right. I left off the ~*`# (.)
All Part of my long term plan to screw up the system.
As far as learning metrics I consider that unAmerican and will resist till
my last breath.

>> *************************************************

>> >Date:  Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:15:00
>> >To:  
>> >From: Laksivark@earthling.net
>> >Subject:  kinetic
>> >
>>
>>
>Learn your metric, kiddo! 5-6mm is about 1/4 of an inch. You meant to
>say .5-.6mm, I hope.
>
>
>



Date:  Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:56:06 -0600 (CST)
To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
From: cyclepro@evansville.net
Subject:  Re: cops





Never thought I'de be doing this.
All cops are not assholes.....Just a few.
Where would the world be without em?

Yeh...sometimes they mess with me too, but it's mostly the new guys on the
force. Once they get to know that your not up to no good and are attempting
to abide by the law they will respect you.. They just have to get use to 2
wheelers. You know we really don't fit the mold.

Given a break and show em some respect and most will return
it...................Greg


On	Mon, 23 Mar, Andrei Zaitsev wrote...
>*************************************************
>Date:	Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:05:27 EST
>To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: Gokartridr@aol.com
>Subject:  Re: stopped by cops
>
>
>I agree that cops are assholes.  They are always all over you for some stupid
>ass reason.  Why dont they leave us alone?  Were not doing anything bad
>anyway.  I think that the cops here in va should keep focus on the 5:00
>traffic jam rather than a bunch of kids on peds'.
>
>Nathan...<>
>
>
>



Date:  Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:08:07 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:03:51 -0500
> To:  proof@idt.net
> From: proof@idt.net
> Subject:	Re: Importing Mopeds
>
> Moped Mailing List wrote:
> >
> > *************************************************
> > Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:44:41 -0500
> > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > From: paltron@interlog.com
> > Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds
> >
> > Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > >
> > > *************************************************
> > > Date:  Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:02:13 -0500
> > > To:  proof@idt.net
> > > From: proof@idt.net
> > > Subject:	Re: Importing Mopeds
> > >
> > > Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *************************************************
> > > > Date:  Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:50:54 -0500
> > > > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > > > From: paltron@interlog.com
> > > > Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds
> > > >
> > > > Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > *************************************************
> > > > > Date:  Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:59:59 -0500
> > > > > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > > > > From: paltron@interlog.com
> > > > > Subject:	Re: Importing Mopeds
> > > > >
> > > > > daugava@nothnbut.net wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *************************************************
> > > > > > Date:  Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:02:42 EST
> > > > > > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > > > > > From: Huvz@aol.com
> > > > > > Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  Clarke,
> > > > > >    You may want to check out the new line of DERBI mopeds, and scooters.
> > > > > >  I saw them recently at a bike show in CLeveland, Oh.	WOW, what a line of
> > > > > > COOL
> > > > > >  50cc bikes.  I am sure you could sell these babys! They are extra nice.
> > > > > >    They have one that looks like a Super Bike, one that looks like a  seriuos
> > > > > > Dirt Bike,
> > > > > >  and a complete line of moped/scooters. probably 10 models in all.
> > > > > >  I will try to find the brocure so I can give you the guys name that handles
> > > > > > dealers.
> > > > > >  Scott H
> > > > > Be prepared for a shock. They are terribly expensive, although in Europe
> > > > > Derbi is in the bottom third of the price range. Somebody must have
> > > > > flunked math in their pricing department as I can tell.
> > > > Follow-up: you can see some Derbis in the "museum" section of Moped
> > > > Magazine
> > > > http://www.interlog.com/~paltron/moped
> > >
> > > does the fact that they are already in a "museum" mean that they are
> > > already a failure and finished?
> > A museum is just a collection of fine pieces of art from a particular
> > time period (like the Guggenheim, or The Museum of Modern Art). It
> > doesn't necessarily have to mean "old".
>
> ok well i don't want to get too off topic here but "fine art" is defined
> by certain interests. There is a whole industry that revolves around
> creating hype about certain types of art and not others. Some prominent
> players are the New York Times, public television, corporate foundations
> and the above mentioned museums. As far as I am concerned, the stuff in
> those museums is ideological garbage and clearly has no relevance to the
> lives of the people. They are simply unique prestige objects for the
> super rich. So, you see, "museum" is a loaded term.
Granted. But I challenge you to come up with a better name to substitute
"museum" and I'll change it.

PA



Date:  Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:18:47 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject:  Re: missing


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  21 Mar 97 22:57:21 +0000
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: zac.beeston@trak-one.co.uk
> Subject:	missing
>
> Hi,
> Does anyone know off common reasons why my moped keeps "missing" when cold?
> I've replaced the spark plug and HT cap and nothing seems to work. Cheers!
>
> Zac
> --
>  |Fidonet : Zac Beeston 2:254/62.17
>  |Internet: zac.beeston@trak-one.co.uk
>  |
>  | Via the TRAK-ONE! BBS Fidonet <-> Internet Gateway at 2:254/60
>  | See http://www.trak-one.co.uk for further information.
>  | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his/her own.
Some mopeds like to be choked until they warm up; but you could also
have a borderline ignition timing and/or a worn contact breaker problem.



Date:  Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:39:55 -0500 (EST)
To:  Andrei Zaitsev 
From: shadow@whiteshell.com
Subject:  Re: stopped by cops


Last fall I got pulled over by a Fairfax Virginia cop, and told I could
not right on anything except for the right one foot of the road. I was
traveling down a rural route, two lane, fairly quiet at the time. Really
anoyed me, and after much research at the library I could not even find
any such law. Gotta love 'em..

-kel


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kelley Schoun shadow@whiteshell.com

When they took the fourth amendment, I was quiet because I don't deal drugs
When they took the sixth amendment, I was quiet because I'm innocent.
When they took the second amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun
Now they've taken the first amendment and I can't say anything at all.


On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Moped Mailing List wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:38:06 -0500
> To:  Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
> From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
> Subject:	Re: stopped by cops
>
>
> Moped Mailing List wrote:
> >
> > *************************************************
> > Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:51:31 EST
> > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > From: CrUsHeR78@aol.com
> > Subject:  Re: stopped by cops
> >
> > Most cops are real assholes when it comes to mopeds.  Thats why you should put
> > a speed kit on your ped so the next time you see the cops you can turn down a
> > side road, punch the throttle and watch those pigs get farther and father
> > behind.
> Agree 100% - Tim and Alene
>
>



Date:  Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:08:10 -0500 (EST)
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: shadow@whiteshell.com
Subject:  gas tank rust


I have a Puch Maxi (single speed) moped, with the gas tank as part of the
frame. I found during my inital spring cleanup some pretty good sized rust
flaked in the gas tank, and figure its in the carb now, and need to
rebuild/clean the whole fuel system. (wont start, checked plug). But
anyways, thats not the biggest problem, I am worried about the tank
rusting out, is there any way to stop this? I have the tank coated by a
local moped shop last year for $60 dollars. :/ Thanks!

-kel


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kelley Schoun shadow@whiteshell.com

When they took the fourth amendment, I was quiet because I don't deal drugs
When they took the sixth amendment, I was quiet because I'm innocent.
When they took the second amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun
Now they've taken the first amendment and I can't say anything at all.




Date:  Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:00:48 -0500 (EST)
To:  Andrei Zaitsev 
From: danny@dreamscape.com
Subject:  Re: Importing MopedsY_]sBYk^c]Z


sPkSkscK\c\X\
On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, proof@idt.net wrote:
> I was being sarcastic dude. I am really attacking the companies that are
> too lame to adapt themselves to important markets. Some of you will
> realize that i am talking about Piaggio. The Japanese on the other hand
> will bend over backwards, even accepting losses for years, to become
> established in a market. American companies now seem to want to use the
> bludgeon of the WTO to gain access to markets that they are unwilling to
> work to attain.

You're comparing apples and oranges here.  The USA is *not* an important
market for Piaggio and hasn't been since the 60s, though Piaggio sold most
of their line here through the mid 80s.  It *is* an important market for
Honda and Yamaha, but *not* for scooters.  They sell scooters here
strictly as a sideline business and right now a neglected one at thaty

					~ Danny ~

~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
syracuse ska!!	 
all about scooters!!  
-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-



Date:  Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:03:25 -0500
To:  chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject:  Re: 17 year old drivers


> I agree with you 100% but there is one other important element that is
> missing in this analysis. The reason that the kids need a vehicle at all
> and that the parent is "enslaved" to the kid is that we have designed
> America not for people and especially not for kids but for CARS. If this
> person lived in a city or compact town, the whole discussion would be
> moot. Kids could simply walk and bike everywhere. They would have a true
> taste of independance. But I notice that America is not about
> independance any more.  I grew up in and have always lived in cities and
> i still dont have a car. I am saving at a minimum 6000 AFTER-TAX dollars
> per year. That's about 9000 pre-tax dollars. I have to listen to people
> whose incomes are 5 or 6 times mine complain about how far in debt they
> are and they cant figure out why. Again, give us a break.

i concur. america is for cars. and if towns had any central sections
like the ones in europe (malls are NOT the same, sorry) you'd have an
infrastructure to fit



Date:  Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:35:34 +0100
To:  "Peter Staal" 
From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Andrei Zaitsev 
Aan: Moped Mailing List 
Datum: dinsdag 24 maart 1998 16:02
Onderwerp: Re: Importing Mopeds


>*************************************************
>Date:	Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:48:50 -0600
>To:  "Mailing List" 
>From: daugava@inlink.com
>Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds
>
>
>> hehehehe   Right on dude. the best thing is if you can rocket the wrong
>> way down one way streets and then disappear in the woods or something.
>There's a story about escaping:
>/d/moped/STORY2.HTM
>
>BTW, I got stopped by cop last night. Fortunately, I was fully equipped -
>had Missouri Drivers'
>Guide one me - so I was able to show the "no helmet required" part.
>Interestingly, the policeman
>took my word for it, saying "I can't read it myself - don't have my
>glasses". After he left, I realized what he
>in fact said - he needs glasses and yet he drives on duty without them :)
>
>Andrew
>
>Hi Andrew,
General lesson of this: never drive to close to a cop car :)
(for a lot of reasons including above..)
peter.
>



Date:  Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:44:41 +0100
To:  "Peter Staal" 
From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject:  what could you expect


On this page you can see what to expect when you use some 'specials' on your
moped..

http://www.torget.se/users/h/hhtms/1.html

text is swedish , yet readable strangly ...






   Bye, Peter Staal
----------------------------------------------------------------------
 Email: staal@concepts.nl
 Home: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
----------------------------------------------------------------------



Date:  Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:05:19 +0100
To:  "Peter Staal" 
From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject:  Re: missing



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Andrei Zaitsev 
Aan: Moped Mailing List 
Datum: dinsdag 24 maart 1998 16:15
Onderwerp: missing


>*************************************************
>Date:	21 Mar 97 22:57:21 +0000
>To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: zac.beeston@trak-one.co.uk
>Subject:  missing
>
>
>Hi,
>Does anyone know off common reasons why my moped keeps "missing" when cold?
>I've replaced the spark plug and HT cap and nothing seems to work. Cheers!
>
>Zac
How cold are we talking here ?
bad gas mixture is the other (very) possible reason i guess. the lower the
temps the less easy the gas evaporates, (meanwhile extra cooling the carb)
until a level what gives no burnable mix any more. also water cristals in
the gas can block the jet(s).
Peter.



Date:  Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:34:00 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: MOPEDMOPED@aol.com
Subject:  Re: European Salvage Yards


I have a huge inventoy of Peugeot Moped parts. Also parts for hunders of other
brands. Call or E-mail me for parts.
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															 Steve Hassa
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															 Steve's Moped &
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															  40 Park Avenue
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com/mopedmoped



Date:  Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:02:38 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:48:50 -0600
> To:  "Mailing List" 
> From: daugava@inlink.com
> Subject:	Re: Importing Mopeds
>
> > hehehehe   Right on dude. the best thing is if you can rocket the wrong
> > way down one way streets and then disappear in the woods or something.
> There's a story about escaping:
> /d/moped/STORY2.HTM
>
> BTW, I got stopped by cop last night. Fortunately, I was fully equipped -
> had Missouri Drivers'
> Guide one me - so I was able to show the "no helmet required" part.
> Interestingly, the policeman
> took my word for it, saying "I can't read it myself - don't have my
> glasses". After he left, I realized what he
> in fact said - he needs glasses and yet he drives on duty without them :)
>
> Andrew


wow he was probably illiterate - seriously. I'm not saying that in a
nasty way. I know a couple of illiterate people and they are so
embarrassed by it that they always use the "I don't have my glasses"
line when they are in a position of having to read something - it's a
classic for them.



Date:  Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:13:20 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Fri, 20 Mar 1998 02:10:33 +0100
> To:  "Peter Staal" 
> From: staal@concepts.nl
> Subject:	Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Andrei Zaitsev 
> Aan: Moped Mailing List 
> Datum: donderdag 19 maart 1998 1:32
> Onderwerp: Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle
>
> >*************************************************
> >Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:03:31 -0500
> >To:	proof@idt.net
> >From: proof@idt.net
> >Subject:  Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle
> >
> >
> >Moped Mailing List wrote:
> >>
> >> *************************************************
> >> Date:	Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:57:32 -0500
> >> To:  chrislo@cfw.com
> >> From: chrislo@cfw.com
> >> Subject:  Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle
> >>
> >> > > >What the end user does, is therefore the users
> >> > > > responsiblity. Anyone who buys a Biturbo pipe is free to do with it
> what they want. when you choose to use it for some other creative
> >> > > > purpose-it is your own responsibility.
> >> > >
> >> > > here we go again. any ambulance-chasing lawyer will tell you
> otherwise.
> >> > > its anyones fault but yours.
> >>
> >> > Ok so take your moped (before you modify it) down to the DMV and take
> >> > the motorcycle test. In NJ at least you can take the motorcycle test
> >> > with a moped or scooter.
> >>
> >> neat. the thing is if you do modify and dont make it leaglyou cant
> >> really afford to crash, you dont have that option aymore as far as im
> >> concerned
> >
> >what is illegal about someone with a motorcycle license riding a 70 cc
> >bike?
> >
> >
> no insurance paid for a (that) motor ?
> no motor registration plates on your vehicle ?
> no type certification ?
> your top speed , after convincing them that it is realy a moped , and you
> only adapted when you had a DEEP scratch in your cylinder..
> any more ?
> Peter.
> >


ok i see. Now i wonder if i can actually register a 70cc moped as a
motorcycle. My insurance company sells insurance by the cc class of the
moter - so i'm sure i can upgrade that.



Date:  Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:15:39 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: stopped by cops


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:05:27 EST
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: Gokartridr@aol.com
> Subject:	Re: stopped by cops
>
> I agree that cops are assholes.  They are always all over you for some stupid
> ass reason.  Why dont they leave us alone?  Were not doing anything bad
> anyway.  I think that the cops here in va should keep focus on the 5:00
> traffic jam rather than a bunch of kids on peds'.
>
> Nathan...<>

It is a well known phenomenon that cops pick on kids. The purpose of
this is to indoctrinate fear into kids. They want you to fear the
"authorities". This is all part of the massive brainwashing that is
ushering in the American police state. All those "cop" shows on TV are
designed to inspire hate for the "criminal" and sympathy for the heroic
police. they never show you the whole story. In the last few weeks here
in NYC, the police have invaded and destroyed the apartments of 3
innocent citizens with the pretext of searching for drugs. The Police
State is coming and they want you kids to fear them. And they want you
to think of "criminals" as animals. Once they are animals we can kill
them.  In Europe the situation is completely different. The policeman is
a highly trained professional and their impeccable uniforms tell you
that right off - as opposed to the slob uniforms here.

Also I find that "adults" in general deeply resent anyone who is having
fun. your moped is clearly more fun than their $30,000 metallic and
glass bubbles. People laugh at me when i tell them i travel by cheap and
efficient moped. Yet i am not supposed to laugh at them for spending
tens of thousands of dollars on a 2 ton piece of steel and plastic whose
yearly insurance charge equals the cost of a good moped.



Date:  Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:47:23 -0400 (EDT)
To:  <199803260013.SAA08447@shell.nothnbut.net>
From: mtliu@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Subject:  Re: stopped by cops


New york state laws are much more explicit,"right lane only or breakdown
lane
except when making a left turn." It's in the pamphlet available at your
local DMV.

Michael Liu

On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Moped Mailing List wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date:  Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:39:55 -0500 (EST)
> To:  Andrei Zaitsev 
> From: shadow@whiteshell.com
> Subject:	Re: stopped by cops
>
>
> Last fall I got pulled over by a Fairfax Virginia cop, and told I could
> not right on anything except for the right one foot of the road. I was
> traveling down a rural route, two lane, fairly quiet at the time. Really
> anoyed me, and after much research at the library I could not even find
> any such law. Gotta love 'em..
>
> -kel
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Kelley Schoun shadow@whiteshell.com
>
> When they took the fourth amendment, I was quiet because I don't deal drugs
> When they took the sixth amendment, I was quiet because I'm innocent.
> When they took the second amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun
> Now they've taken the first amendment and I can't say anything at all.
>
>
> On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> > *************************************************
> > Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:38:06 -0500
> > To:  Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
> > From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
> > Subject:  Re: stopped by cops
> >
> >
> > Moped Mailing List wrote:
> > >
> > > *************************************************
> > > Date:  Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:51:31 EST
> > > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > > From: CrUsHeR78@aol.com
> > > Subject:	Re: stopped by cops
> > >
> > > Most cops are real assholes when it comes to mopeds.	Thats why you should put
> > > a speed kit on your ped so the next time you see the cops you can turn down a
> > > side road, punch the throttle and watch those pigs get farther and father
> > > behind.
> > Agree 100% - Tim and Alene
> >
> >
>
>
>



Date:  Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:10:13 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Gokartridr@aol.com
Subject:  Re: stopped by cops


i agree with the statement about the cops trying to scare kids.  they dont
scare me.



Date:  Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:37:47 -0500
To:  chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject:  Re: kinetic


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
>
> YEP! your right. I left off the ~*`# (.)
> All Part of my long term plan to screw up the system.
> As far as learning metrics I consider that unAmerican and will resist till my last breath.
 too bad. its bad enough that, say, american cars are so crappy,
especially 80s models. i dont think any froeign mechanic is gonna ever
even consider buying sae wrench sets, etc. what a waste. if you can
count money you already know the metric system. but, okay, if you dig
umpteen-eleventeenths...



Date:  Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:14:23 -0500
To:  chrislo@cfw.com
From: chrislo@cfw.com
Subject:  da fuzz


> It is a well known phenomenon that cops pick on kids. The purpose of
> this is to indoctrinate fear into kids.  The Police
> State is coming and they want you kids to fear them. And they want you
> to think of "criminals" as animals. Once they are animals we can kill
> them.  In Europe the situation is completely different. The policeman is
> a highly trained professional and their impeccable uniforms tell you
> that right off - as opposed to the slob uniforms here.

well, i dont know about that. i remember in the german 80s professional
"chaoten", faces covered with those arafat handkerchiefs used to get
BUSSED to anti-nuclear-american- whatever demonstrations and lob molotov
cocktails at the german cops who could only stand there cuz otherwise
they were proven nazis. right? if your car just happened to be in the
punks way it was torched for fun, no, sorry that was a "political
statement" (akin to stealing a t.v. out of a store after rodney king).
basically all that was done by the cops was to spray these guys with
firehoses. thats "fun", thats what mankind should be doing to stop
nuclear wast buidup.
i didnt want to get caught with a tuned moped and i resented the fact
the cops could stop me anytime antwhere for no reason while others could
set them on fire and go scot free. but i always wished the cops would
pound those #$@#$4 straight into the ground. you try that here and
you'll likely get what you deserve.
to paraphrase a line from calvin and hobbes: if you undermine authority
you'll lose the ability to replace or sustain it. in short, if i see
your moped standing around and i like it, you better get "nazi" on me or
lose it. everything you own would be up for grabs every day.
were ALL still animals, the only thing that keeps us from chronic
relapse is religion and fear of punishment thru the law (with obvious
overzealous exceptions). THIS is what i believe is deteriorating, which
makes the cop in turn overzealous.
so get on your moped, drive around, get stopped. big deal.



Date:  Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:06:12 -0700
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: danyo@montrose.net
Subject:  Re: stopped by cops


Moped Mailing List wrote:

> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:15:39 -0500
> To:  proof@idt.net
> From: proof@idt.net
> Subject:	Re: stopped by cops
>
> Moped Mailing List wrote:
> >
> > *************************************************
> > Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:05:27 EST
> > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> > From: Gokartridr@aol.com
> > Subject:  Re: stopped by cops
> >
> > I agree that cops are assholes.  They are always all over you for
> some stupid
> > ass reason.  Why dont they leave us alone?	Were not doing anything
> bad
> > anyway.  I think that the cops here in va should keep focus on the
> 5:00
> > traffic jam rather than a bunch of kids on peds'.
> >
> > Nathan...<>
>
> It is a well known phenomenon that cops pick on kids. The purpose of
> this is to indoctrinate fear into kids. They want you to fear the
> "authorities". This is all part of the massive brainwashing that is
> ushering in the American police state. All those "cop" shows on TV are
>
> designed to inspire hate for the "criminal" and sympathy for the
> heroic
> police. they never show you the whole story. In the last few weeks
> here
> in NYC, the police have invaded and destroyed the apartments of 3
> innocent citizens with the pretext of searching for drugs. The Police
> State is coming and they want you kids to fear them. And they want you
>
> to think of "criminals" as animals. Once they are animals we can kill
> them.  In Europe the situation is completely different. The policeman
> is
> a highly trained professional and their impeccable uniforms tell you
> that right off - as opposed to the slob uniforms here.
>
> Also I find that "adults" in general deeply resent anyone who is
> having
> fun. your moped is clearly more fun than their $30,000 metallic and
> glass bubbles. People laugh at me when i tell them i travel by cheap
> and
> efficient moped. Yet i am not supposed to laugh at them for spending
> tens of thousands of dollars on a 2 ton piece of steel and plastic
> whose
> yearly insurance charge equals the cost of a good moped.

   OK guys!  Let's clear the air here!!!!  Number 1, I'm an adult and am
really into having "fun".  Trouble is that I have a great deal time that
I spend doing the stuff that's not fun....like work!  Yes,  I know that
we all have our share of things that we don't want to do and this makes
us "crabby" but somethings we just have to do.

On a better note, we're probably not much different regardless of our
ages.  Why?  I get lots of laughs from people in their $30,000 cars as
well.  Yeah, they think I'm crazy for driving my moped!



Date:  Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:56:17 -0600 (CST)
To:  cyclepro@evansville.net
From: cyclepro@evansville.net
Subject:  Re: stopped by cops


Kelly........ I like the foot notes!On	Wed, 25 Mar, Andrei Zaitsev
wrote...
>*************************************************
>Date:	Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:39:55 -0500 (EST)
>To:  Andrei Zaitsev 
>From: shadow@whiteshell.com
>Subject:  Re: stopped by cops
>
>
>Last fall I got pulled over by a Fairfax Virginia cop, and told I could
>not right on anything except for the right one foot of the road. I was
>traveling down a rural route, two lane, fairly quiet at the time. Really
>anoyed me, and after much research at the library I could not even find
>any such law. Gotta love 'em..
>
>-kel
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Kelley Schoun shadow@whiteshell.com
>
>When they took the fourth amendment, I was quiet because I don't deal drugs
>When they took the sixth amendment, I was quiet because I'm innocent.
>When they took the second amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun
>Now they've taken the first amendment and I can't say anything at all.
>
>
>On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
>> *************************************************
>> Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:38:06 -0500
>> To:	Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
>> From: Kowiachobee.WORLDNET.ATT.NET@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
>> Subject:  Re: stopped by cops
>>
>>
>> Moped Mailing List wrote:
>> >
>> > *************************************************
>> > Date:	Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:51:31 EST
>> > To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
>> > From: CrUsHeR78@aol.com
>> > Subject:  Re: stopped by cops
>> >
>> > Most cops are real assholes when it comes to mopeds.  Thats why you
should put
>> > a speed kit on your ped so the next time you see the cops you can turn
down a
>> > side road, punch the throttle and watch those pigs get farther and father
>> > behind.
>> Agree 100% - Tim and Alene
>>
>>
>
>
>



Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:54:27 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: what could you expect


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:44:41 +0100
> To:  "Peter Staal" 
> From: staal@concepts.nl
> Subject:	what could you expect
>
> On this page you can see what to expect when you use some 'specials' on your
> moped..
>
> http://www.torget.se/users/h/hhtms/1.html
>
> text is swedish , yet readable strangly ...
>
>	 Bye, Peter Staal
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Email: staal@concepts.nl
>  Home: http://home.concepts.nl/~staal
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------


wow 120 km/h?? Thats about 72 mph - seems hard to believe.



Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:27:08 +0000
To:  johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
From: johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
Subject:  Re: 17 year old drivers


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:03:25 -0500
> To:  chrislo@cfw.com
> From: chrislo@cfw.com
> Subject:	Re: 17 year old drivers
>
> > I agree with you 100% but there is one other important element that is
> > missing in this analysis. The reason that the kids need a vehicle at all
> > and that the parent is "enslaved" to the kid is that we have designed
> > America not for people and especially not for kids but for CARS. If this
> > person lived in a city or compact town, the whole discussion would be
> > moot. Kids could simply walk and bike everywhere. They would have a true
> > taste of independance. But I notice that America is not about
> > independance any more.	I grew up in and have always lived in cities and
> > i still dont have a car. I am saving at a minimum 6000 AFTER-TAX dollars
> > per year. That's about 9000 pre-tax dollars. I have to listen to people
> > whose incomes are 5 or 6 times mine complain about how far in debt they
> > are and they cant figure out why. Again, give us a break.
>
> i concur. america is for cars. and if towns had any central sections
> like the ones in europe (malls are NOT the same, sorry) you'd have an
> infrastructure to fit

You know that lots of European cities are trying to minimise the amount
of traffic in City centres leading to a growth in out of town malls.
This of course is not generally accompanied by an increase in public
transport.

What was that about europe having an infrastructure to fit?????????

John



Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:23:22 +0000
To:  johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
From: johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
Subject:  Re: Importing MopedsY_]sBYk^c]Z


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:00:48 -0500 (EST)
> To:  Andrei Zaitsev 
> From: danny@dreamscape.com
> Subject:	Re: Importing MopedsY_]sBYk^c]Z
>
> sPkSkscK\c\X\
> On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, proof@idt.net wrote:
> > I was being sarcastic dude. I am really attacking the companies that are
> > too lame to adapt themselves to important markets. Some of you will
> > realize that i am talking about Piaggio. The Japanese on the other hand
> > will bend over backwards, even accepting losses for years, to become
> > established in a market. American companies now seem to want to use the
> > bludgeon of the WTO to gain access to markets that they are unwilling to
> > work to attain.
>
> You're comparing apples and oranges here.  The USA is *not* an important
> market for Piaggio and hasn't been since the 60s, though Piaggio sold most
> of their line here through the mid 80s.  It *is* an important market for
> Honda and Yamaha, but *not* for scooters.  They sell scooters here
> strictly as a sideline business and right now a neglected one at thaty
>
Seems strangley familiar as the same thing happened in the UK in the
'70's/early '80's. They changed the moped definition to include a speed
cap to 30mph, and both Peugeot & Motobecane left the UK market. Mainly
as they were only selling mopeds and only those manufacturers selling
motorcycles as well stayed.
Like the US this means means the Japanese rule the market now/ neglect
that market. However Peugeot & Motobecane are both bringing scooters in
ot the UK so perhaps we'll get some real mopeds as well. :-)))))))

John




Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:07:12 +0100
To:  
From: hansn@xs4all.nl
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds


At 02:15 25-03-98 -0500, you wrote:
>*************************************************
>Date:	Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:08:07 -0500
>To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
>From: paltron@interlog.com
>Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds

>> ok well i don't want to get too off topic here but "fine art" is defined
>> by certain interests. There is a whole industry that revolves around
>> creating hype about certain types of art and not others. Some prominent
>> players are the New York Times, public television, corporate foundations
>> and the above mentioned museums. As far as I am concerned, the stuff in
>> those museums is ideological garbage and clearly has no relevance to the
>> lives of the people. They are simply unique prestige objects for the
>> super rich. So, you see, "museum" is a loaded term.
>Granted. But I challenge you to come up with a better name to substitute
>"museum" and I'll change it.


Gallery, Showroom, Hall of fame or Exhibition?


Cheers,



Hans Hartman



Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:05:09 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: pinhead@ufl.edu
Subject:  Re: cops


> Yeh...sometimes they mess with me too, but it's mostly the new guys on the
> force. Once they get to know that your not up to no good and are attempting
> to abide by the law they will respect you.. They just have to get use to 2
> wheelers. You know we really don't fit the mold.

I think it has a lot to do with jurisdiction too. For example, here in
Gainesville, FL, we are blessed to fall under the rule of THREE local
law enforcement agencies. The Alachua Co. Sherrifs Office, the
Gainesville Police Dept, and while visiting the U of F campus,
University Police Dept. Yes, they are REAL cops, they have real badges,
carry real guns, they can issue you real tickets, and throw your ass in
the real jail.

ACSO pretty much stays out of your face. Their traffic patrols are
mostly limited to the larger roads where mopeds are not frequently
travelled.

GPD is very cool about the situation. I have passed and been passed by
GPD units while riding my moped in the bike lane on narrow roads, and
they could care less. Even when they are staking out a speed trap, some
of them will return a friendly wave to a moped rider. As long as you're
not raping or murdering someone, they generally have better things to
do.

UPD on the other hand, is a total pain in the ass. They come in several
varieties- on foot, by car, by motorcycle, and worst of all, by bicycle.
They are largely regarded as a joke, probably because roughly 50% of
them are meter maids (I'm serious- parking on campus is basically a
preview of what hell will be like for whoever designed the clutch on my
Tomos) As a result of this, they have a VERY serious inferiority complex
and a need to prove themselves. I was once given a $72 ticket on my
BICYCLE for going the wrong way on the street, instead of using the
sidewalk. There was a large truck PARKED on the sidewalk. Even worse, a
friend of mine, after legally parking in his reserved space with the
appropriate decal (he works in the WUFT equipment office) was given a
$15 parking ticket because he was not NICE ENOUGH to the cop! (Yes, the
cop admitted this, my friend quoted him at appeal, and the magistrate
dismissed the ticket)

The lesson ends for today.


											  -=>Joe Perez<=-
										   -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=-



Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:19:49 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: pinhead@ufl.edu
Subject:  Re: stopped by cops


> Last fall I got pulled over by a Fairfax Virginia cop, and told I could
> not right on anything except for the right one foot of the road. I was
> traveling down a rural route, two lane, fairly quiet at the time. Really
> anoyed me, and after much research at the library I could not even find
> any such law. Gotta love 'em..

Sounds a lot like a law we have in Florida:

316.208  Motorcycles and mopeds.--
(2)
		   (a)	Any person operating a moped upon a roadway at less than
the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the
conditions then existing shall ride as close as practicable to the
right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following
situations:

(exceptions snipped)

My interpretation here is that as long as either the road is not
currently occupied by cars, or occupied by cars which are travelling at
moped speed (such as a school zone or construction area) that a moped
rider is entitled to full use of a lane.

When on campus, I always ride center-lane. But off-campus, I hug the
curb.


											  -=>Joe Perez<=-
										   -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=-



Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:22:25 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: pinhead@ufl.edu
Subject:  Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle


> ok i see. Now i wonder if i can actually register a 70cc moped as a
> motorcycle. My insurance company sells insurance by the cc class of the
> moter - so i'm sure i can upgrade that.

Depending on where you live and what mods you've done, that might not be
possible. Although your 70cc bike is no longer a legal moped, it might
not meet the requirements to be a motorcycle either.


											  -=>Joe Perez<=-
										   -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=-



Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:27:13 +0100
To:  "Peter Staal" 
From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds



>Granted. But I challenge you to come up with a better name to substitute
>"museum" and I'll change it.
>
>PA
>
>
Collection
Pit(s)
Parking
Nirvana


i could live with museum anyhow, who cares, 30 mil (posible) viewers. 30 mil
opinions.
PS.

>



Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:19:52 +0100
To:  "Peter Staal" 
From: staal@concepts.nl
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Andrei Zaitsev 
Aan: Moped Mailing List 
Datum: donderdag 26 maart 1998 1:27
Onderwerp: Re: Importing Mopeds


>*************************************************
>Date:	Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:02:38 -0500
>To:  proof@idt.net
>From: proof@idt.net
>Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds
>
>
>Moped Mailing List wrote:
>>
>> *************************************************
>> Date:  Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:48:50 -0600
>> To:	"Mailing List" 
>> From: daugava@inlink.com
>> Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds
>>
>> > hehehehe	Right on dude. the best thing is if you can rocket the wrong
>> > way down one way streets and then disappear in the woods or something.
>> There's a story about escaping:
>> /d/moped/STORY2.HTM
>>
>> BTW, I got stopped by cop last night. Fortunately, I was fully equipped -
>> had Missouri Drivers'
>> Guide one me - so I was able to show the "no helmet required" part.
>> Interestingly, the policeman
>> took my word for it, saying "I can't read it myself - don't have my
>> glasses". After he left, I realized what he
>> in fact said - he needs glasses and yet he drives on duty without them :)
>>
>> Andrew
>
>
>wow he was probably illiterate - seriously. I'm not saying that in a
>nasty way. I know a couple of illiterate people and they are so
>embarrassed by it that they always use the "I don't have my glasses"
>line when they are in a position of having to read something - it's a
>classic for them.
>
>
>
That's ok, so they can't write you a ticket too , probably :-)
thats like a cop on a bicycle :)
Peter.



Date:  26 Mar 97 00:00:00 +0000
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: zacb@craybbs.co.uk
Subject:  European Salvage Yards


Hi,
For the manual (and parts) try:
Peugeot Scooters,
140 Finchley Road,
London,
NW3 5HS

Tel: +44 171 431 1991 (UK: 0171 431 1991)

if they don't stock the parts try...:

Crossley Bike Breakers,
Unit D,
Handel Street,
Bradford,
BD7 1JB

Tel: +44 1274 395559 (UK: 01274 395559)

=-=

New World Dismantlers,
PO BOX 45,
Tiverton,
EX16 9YW

Tel: +44 7071 222362 (UK: 07071 222362)

=-=

MDL Spares,
Unit 18,
Craven Court,
Warrington,
WA2 8QU

Tel: +44 1925 242410 (UK: 01925 242410)

=-=

Broadgate Breakeers,
Swapcoat Lane,
Long Sutton,
PE12 9HD

Tel: +44 1406 364474 (UK: 01406 364474)

=-=

Mettbikes,
Unit 25,
Atlas Ctr,
Oxgate Lane,
London,
NW2 7HU

Tel: +44 181 450 0010 (UK: 0181 450 0010)

=-=

Excalibur Motorcycles LTD.
28 Miles Street,
Vauxhall,
London,
SW8 1RY

Tel: +44 171 735 8842 (UK: 0171 735 8842)

Most breakers seem to deal in bike parts but these might be worth trying! oh
yeah insert int. dialing code in place of +. hth!

Zac


 AZ> I need some help in locating some moped/motorcycle salvage
 AZ> yards outside of the US.  I recently found my Peugeot Sport
 AZ> and I'm sure that most of it's parts will not be found on
 AZ> this side of the Atlantic.  If any of you can give me either
 AZ> email or physical addresses to some locations I'd appreciate
 AZ> it.  I'll do the footwork from that point.

 AZ> If any one of you owns a Peugeot BB2S or BB3S, I'd like to
 AZ> hear from you.  Additionally, if someone knows of a very old
 AZ> Peugeot moped dealership and can give me their address, this
 AZ> would be helpful as well.	I need to find a shop manual.  If
 AZ> it is written in French, this is not a problem.

 AZ> Thanks in advance for any help I might find.

 AZ> Dan Johnson
 AZ> Gunnison, CO



Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:40:11 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: Huvz@aol.com
Subject:  Re: stopped by cops


 I agree on the point about "having too much fun". It seems like anything that
comes along that is alot of fun, there always comes along a new law, or an
insurance problem.
 But what are you gonna do?



Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:46:37 EST
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: PedAction@aol.com
Subject:  Vespa Piaggio Bravo Parts


Hey list. I am redoing a vespa Piaggio Bravo for a small engines class at
school. It needs a seat, and something that goes on the right handle bar. I am
at this is the on/off switch, but could someone check it out. I also need the
lever to start it while you pedel. I think it is called the decompression
lever. It is a 1977. Any help would be appreciated. I will probably need a
manual for rebuilding the engine too. Thanks in advance.



Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:09:14 -0600
To:  "Mailing List" 
From: daugava@inlink.com
Subject:  Fw: Mopeds are the best two wheeled inventions ever!




----------
> From: ARNEYE 
> To: daugava@inlink.com
> Subject: Mopeds are the best two wheeled inventions ever!
> Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 1:27 PM
>
> Hello!
> Thank you for making a moped homepage, it is great to see that so many
people
> enjoy driving them. I have recently purchased an "88" Honda Elite and
drive it
> everywhere the law allows.
> I do have one question for you.
> Is there anywhere that you know of that does good maintanence in western
> washington?
> If so get back to me at
> SPICCOLI69@hotmail.com
> thank you so very much
> Paul "SPICCOLI" Nyman



Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:05:39 +0900
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: jps22@goldrush.com
Subject:  1962 alstate moped


hello,
i just found your site for the first time. it looks good. maybe you or
one of your readers could help me. in 1962 at 14, my dad let me buy a
moped from sears. i have no idea who manufactuered it for sears. my
grandson is now 14 and i thought it would fun to start him out with an
alstate moped like mine. would anyone have an idea where i could get one
in any cond. also would love a picture i could use on my baby boomers
site.
thank you,	james p



Date:  Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:28:24 -0500
To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
From: paltron@interlog.com
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:07:12 +0100
> To:  
> From: hansn@xs4all.nl
> Subject:	Re: Importing Mopeds
>
> At 02:15 25-03-98 -0500, you wrote:
> >*************************************************
> >Date:  Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:08:07 -0500
> >To:	daugava@nothnbut.net
> >From: paltron@interlog.com
> >Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds
>
> >> ok well i don't want to get too off topic here but "fine art" is defined
> >> by certain interests. There is a whole industry that revolves around
> >> creating hype about certain types of art and not others. Some prominent
> >> players are the New York Times, public television, corporate foundations
> >> and the above mentioned museums. As far as I am concerned, the stuff in
> >> those museums is ideological garbage and clearly has no relevance to the
> >> lives of the people. They are simply unique prestige objects for the
> >> super rich. So, you see, "museum" is a loaded term.
> >Granted. But I challenge you to come up with a better name to substitute
> >"museum" and I'll change it.
>
> Gallery, Showroom, Hall of fame or Exhibition?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans Hartman
I like the Hall of Fame but only for a select few mopeds that stand out
for one reason or the other. Maybe I call the rest "The Moped
Collection".
But here is a challenge for everybody out there:
give me some suggestions which moped should be inducted into the Hall of
Fame and why?
I'm serious. I'm waiting...



Date:  Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:52:17 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: kinetic


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:37:47 -0500
> To:  chrislo@cfw.com
> From: chrislo@cfw.com
> Subject:	Re: kinetic
>
> Moped Mailing List wrote:
> >
> >
> > YEP! your right. I left off the ~*`# (.)
> > All Part of my long term plan to screw up the system.
> > As far as learning metrics I consider that unAmerican and will resist till my last breath.
>  too bad. its bad enough that, say, american cars are so crappy,
> especially 80s models. i dont think any froeign mechanic is gonna ever
> even consider buying sae wrench sets, etc. what a waste. if you can
> count money you already know the metric system. but, okay, if you dig
> umpteen-eleventeenths...


I agree that the metric system is more rational and easier and probably
the way to go. But, in defense of the "english" system, a few of the
measurements are more natural.	For example, one foot really is about
the length of a human foot. If you needed to measure something like a
piece of land and didnt have any instruments, you could get a pretty
close measurement using your feet.



Date:  Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:02:57 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: da fuzz


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:14:23 -0500
> To:  chrislo@cfw.com
> From: chrislo@cfw.com
> Subject:	da fuzz
>
> > It is a well known phenomenon that cops pick on kids. The purpose of
> > this is to indoctrinate fear into kids.  The Police
> > State is coming and they want you kids to fear them. And they want you
> > to think of "criminals" as animals. Once they are animals we can kill
> > them.  In Europe the situation is completely different. The policeman is
> > a highly trained professional and their impeccable uniforms tell you
> > that right off - as opposed to the slob uniforms here.
>
> well, i dont know about that. i remember in the german 80s professional
> "chaoten", faces covered with those arafat handkerchiefs used to get
> BUSSED to anti-nuclear-american- whatever demonstrations and lob molotov
> cocktails at the german cops who could only stand there cuz otherwise
> they were proven nazis. right? if your car just happened to be in the
> punks way it was torched for fun, no, sorry that was a "political
> statement" (akin to stealing a t.v. out of a store after rodney king).
> basically all that was done by the cops was to spray these guys with
> firehoses. thats "fun", thats what mankind should be doing to stop
> nuclear wast buidup.
> i didnt want to get caught with a tuned moped and i resented the fact
> the cops could stop me anytime antwhere for no reason while others could
> set them on fire and go scot free. but i always wished the cops would
> pound those #$@#$4 straight into the ground. you try that here and
> you'll likely get what you deserve.
> to paraphrase a line from calvin and hobbes: if you undermine authority
> you'll lose the ability to replace or sustain it. in short, if i see
> your moped standing around and i like it, you better get "nazi" on me or
> lose it. everything you own would be up for grabs every day.
> were ALL still animals, the only thing that keeps us from chronic
> relapse is religion and fear of punishment thru the law (with obvious
> overzealous exceptions). THIS is what i believe is deteriorating, which
> makes the cop in turn overzealous.
> so get on your moped, drive around, get stopped. big deal.


Ok you have an extraordinarily bleak view of human nature. There are
plenty of places in the world with little or no policing, and there
seems to be litte crime. I could not tell if you are in the US or
Germany. But take a trip to Canada or any city in Germany and it shows
my point.

I don't follow all of your points but yes there is no doubt that the
charge of being a "nazi" in Germany is extremely potent and damaging.
Germany is still unable to become a normal nation again because of its
past. About the cops standing around, I'm sure alot of them fully
support the anti nuclear protestors. However, it has been shown that
there are far right wing elements in the German police just as there are
in the American police. I stand by my point that modern policing is
based on instilling fear and it starts with kids like our young mopeding
friend.

Once again I am guilty of steering the list off-topic - i'm sorry.



Date:  Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:08:07 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: 17 year old drivers


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:27:08 +0000
> To:  johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
> From: johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
> Subject:	Re: 17 year old drivers
>
> Moped Mailing List wrote:
> >
> > *************************************************
> > Date:  Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:03:25 -0500
> > To:  chrislo@cfw.com
> > From: chrislo@cfw.com
> > Subject:  Re: 17 year old drivers
> >
> > > I agree with you 100% but there is one other important element that is
> > > missing in this analysis. The reason that the kids need a vehicle at all
> > > and that the parent is "enslaved" to the kid is that we have designed
> > > America not for people and especially not for kids but for CARS. If this
> > > person lived in a city or compact town, the whole discussion would be
> > > moot. Kids could simply walk and bike everywhere. They would have a true
> > > taste of independance. But I notice that America is not about
> > > independance any more.  I grew up in and have always lived in cities and
> > > i still dont have a car. I am saving at a minimum 6000 AFTER-TAX dollars
> > > per year. That's about 9000 pre-tax dollars. I have to listen to people
> > > whose incomes are 5 or 6 times mine complain about how far in debt they
> > > are and they cant figure out why. Again, give us a break.
> >
> > i concur. america is for cars. and if towns had any central sections
> > like the ones in europe (malls are NOT the same, sorry) you'd have an
> > infrastructure to fit
>
> You know that lots of European cities are trying to minimise the amount
> of traffic in City centres leading to a growth in out of town malls.
> This of course is not generally accompanied by an increase in public
> transport.
>
> What was that about europe having an infrastructure to fit?????????
>
> John

I disagree here. there is no growth of outlying sprawl except in Britain
which we can hardly call part of europe anymore. The continent has
extremely effective planning controls which will make any kind of sprawl
type development next to impossible.

How dare they spoil the view from my moped!



Date:  Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:10:20 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Importing MopedsY_]sBYk^c]Z


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:23:22 +0000
> To:  johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
> From: johnlipscomb@cableinet.co.uk
> Subject:	Re: Importing MopedsY_]sBYk^c]Z
>
> Moped Mailing List wrote:
> >
> > *************************************************
> > Date:  Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:00:48 -0500 (EST)
> > To:  Andrei Zaitsev 
> > From: danny@dreamscape.com
> > Subject:  Re: Importing MopedsY_]sBYk^c]Z
> >
> > sPkSkscK\c\X\
> > On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, proof@idt.net wrote:
> > > I was being sarcastic dude. I am really attacking the companies that are
> > > too lame to adapt themselves to important markets. Some of you will
> > > realize that i am talking about Piaggio. The Japanese on the other hand
> > > will bend over backwards, even accepting losses for years, to become
> > > established in a market. American companies now seem to want to use the
> > > bludgeon of the WTO to gain access to markets that they are unwilling to
> > > work to attain.
> >
> > You're comparing apples and oranges here.  The USA is *not* an important
> > market for Piaggio and hasn't been since the 60s, though Piaggio sold most
> > of their line here through the mid 80s.  It *is* an important market for
> > Honda and Yamaha, but *not* for scooters.  They sell scooters here
> > strictly as a sideline business and right now a neglected one at thaty
> >
> Seems strangley familiar as the same thing happened in the UK in the
> '70's/early '80's. They changed the moped definition to include a speed
> cap to 30mph, and both Peugeot & Motobecane left the UK market. Mainly
> as they were only selling mopeds and only those manufacturers selling
> motorcycles as well stayed.
> Like the US this means means the Japanese rule the market now/ neglect
> that market. However Peugeot & Motobecane are both bringing scooters in
> ot the UK so perhaps we'll get some real mopeds as well. :-)))))))
>
> John


Ok re the prior message: yes you can say that scooters are just a
sideline for Honda and Yamaha, but if and when there is a scooter craze,
they will be ready to roll. That's the difference in thinking.



Date:  Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:12:53 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:07:12 +0100
> To:  
> From: hansn@xs4all.nl
> Subject:	Re: Importing Mopeds
>
> At 02:15 25-03-98 -0500, you wrote:
> >*************************************************
> >Date:  Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:08:07 -0500
> >To:	daugava@nothnbut.net
> >From: paltron@interlog.com
> >Subject:  Re: Importing Mopeds
>
> >> ok well i don't want to get too off topic here but "fine art" is defined
> >> by certain interests. There is a whole industry that revolves around
> >> creating hype about certain types of art and not others. Some prominent
> >> players are the New York Times, public television, corporate foundations
> >> and the above mentioned museums. As far as I am concerned, the stuff in
> >> those museums is ideological garbage and clearly has no relevance to the
> >> lives of the people. They are simply unique prestige objects for the
> >> super rich. So, you see, "museum" is a loaded term.
> >Granted. But I challenge you to come up with a better name to substitute
> >"museum" and I'll change it.
>
> Gallery, Showroom, Hall of fame or Exhibition?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans Hartman


XXX moped gallery - that will get you lots of visitors



Date:  Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:16:25 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: cops


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:05:09 -0500
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: pinhead@ufl.edu
> Subject:	Re: cops
>
> > Yeh...sometimes they mess with me too, but it's mostly the new guys on the
> > force. Once they get to know that your not up to no good and are attempting
> > to abide by the law they will respect you.. They just have to get use to 2
> > wheelers. You know we really don't fit the mold.
>
> I think it has a lot to do with jurisdiction too. For example, here in
> Gainesville, FL, we are blessed to fall under the rule of THREE local
> law enforcement agencies. The Alachua Co. Sherrifs Office, the
> Gainesville Police Dept, and while visiting the U of F campus,
> University Police Dept. Yes, they are REAL cops, they have real badges,
> carry real guns, they can issue you real tickets, and throw your ass in
> the real jail.
>
> ACSO pretty much stays out of your face. Their traffic patrols are
> mostly limited to the larger roads where mopeds are not frequently
> travelled.
>
> GPD is very cool about the situation. I have passed and been passed by
> GPD units while riding my moped in the bike lane on narrow roads, and
> they could care less. Even when they are staking out a speed trap, some
> of them will return a friendly wave to a moped rider. As long as you're
> not raping or murdering someone, they generally have better things to
> do.
>
> UPD on the other hand, is a total pain in the ass. They come in several
> varieties- on foot, by car, by motorcycle, and worst of all, by bicycle.
> They are largely regarded as a joke, probably because roughly 50% of
> them are meter maids (I'm serious- parking on campus is basically a
> preview of what hell will be like for whoever designed the clutch on my
> Tomos) As a result of this, they have a VERY serious inferiority complex
> and a need to prove themselves. I was once given a $72 ticket on my
> BICYCLE for going the wrong way on the street, instead of using the
> sidewalk. There was a large truck PARKED on the sidewalk. Even worse, a
> friend of mine, after legally parking in his reserved space with the
> appropriate decal (he works in the WUFT equipment office) was given a
> $15 parking ticket because he was not NICE ENOUGH to the cop! (Yes, the
> cop admitted this, my friend quoted him at appeal, and the magistrate
> dismissed the ticket)
>
> The lesson ends for today.
>
>
>												-=>Joe Perez<=-
>											 -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=-


you would think that with parking tight on campus they would encourage
use of mopeds and bikes.



Date:  Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:18:58 -0500
To:  proof@idt.net
From: proof@idt.net
Subject:  Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle


Moped Mailing List wrote:
>
> *************************************************
> Date:  Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:22:25 -0500
> To:  daugava@nothnbut.net
> From: pinhead@ufl.edu
> Subject:	Re: Moped vs. Motorcycle
>
> > ok i see. Now i wonder if i can actually register a 70cc moped as a
> > motorcycle. My insurance company sells insurance by the cc class of the
> > moter - so i'm sure i can upgrade that.
>
> Depending on where you live and what mods you've done, that might not be
> possible. Although your 70cc bike is no longer a legal moped, it might
> not meet the requirements to be a motorcycle either.
>
>												-=>Joe Perez<=-
>											 -=>pinhead@ufl.edu<=-
Ok then i see no alternative but to be illegal. I NEED the acceleration
of 70cc because 99% of drivers here are a**holes. I would be happy to be
legal but it just aint possible. Who would be able to look at a moped
and be able to tell that it has been modified anyway??