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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:42:04
Subject: Re: ennvironmentally friendly mopeds (fwd)
From: Vinnie Chassot
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This bounced going to the recipent, so I thought I'd throw it out to the
list and hope it eventually got somewhere useful.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:02:46 +0000 (GMT)
From: Vinnie Chassot
To: Thunders54@aol.com
Subject: Re: ennvironmentally friendly mopeds

> From: Thunders54@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:12:26 EDT
> Subject: About mopeds and the environment
> > get very good mileage. That is true, right? But do they make alot of
> emissions? I know it is 1/20th of a cars from your site, but I also heard
> that they produced a lot of emissions for their motor size and stuff. Do you

Yes and yes. I ride a moped for largely the same reasons, and the way I
figure it is that even if, per x amount of gas, I'm putting out more
emissions (which I know I am, at least compared to more modern cars --
there's a few really old cars around here I'm not so sure about :) ) , I'm
still using enough less that I'm putting less out per mile, *plus* you're
using less petrochemicals.

Ideally I'd have an electric. The big nasty about those is that I haven't
seen any with a better range than about 20 miles -- and I can't gaurantee
that I'll have an outlet every twenty miles. I can carry a few gallons of
gas. There are electric assist bikes (not mopeds) that basically use your
pedeling to to generate electricity on the flat and downhill, and then
help uphill, which is neat, but I don't have the ability to do that for
the distances I go *and* that still doesn't help the speed issue. I've
heard rumours about hybred (gas generator + electric motor) mopeds, and
sketched out some designs myself, but I haven't gotten there and I haven't
been able to find anything more solid than 'so and so was working on that
a few years ago'. But it's an interesting concept, and, honestly, the
Pacific NW is rather ahead of CA in that respect. If you find anything
along those lines, would you pass it on?

Other ideas I've had -- converting to alcohol (not gasohol), propane or
biodeisel...things I intend on working on sometime in the near future.

> think you could recommend a cheap moped in the US with good emissions and
> mileage for urban riding?

I ride a 1980 Vespa Bravo -- She gets 150mi/gal. I use synthetic oil and
she doesn't smoke at all. I suspect (just from the 'sniff test') that
synthetic oil cuts the emissions significantly, but I can't seem to find
any data to solidly support this. Also, keeping your engine in good
condition helps *alot*.

Good luck. If you find out anything interesting on the topic would you
forward it on? I'd appreciate it.

Vinnie
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