Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:27:24
Subject: Re: what is the most miles
From: Hans Hartman
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Hello marko, and mopedeers who didn't fall asleep..
At 10:45 23-7-00 -0700, you wrote:

>>A dealer has had an education working on mopeds, and is kept up-to-date by
>>factory training and technical reviews.
> >Which would be great if the factory would in fact provide all that.. To my
>knowledge Tomos in most cases doesn't even bother printing new spare parts
>catalogues when they put out a slightly modified model. Which is great when
>shopping for let's say brake shoes, wheel rims or ignition coils.

Well, this must be the difference between Tomos NL and the factory. Tomos
NL does send some technical updates every now nad then.

>>How do you determine for yourself that you're up to the job you plan to do?
>>In my experience a hobbyist does this by trial and error, which can be
>>pretty costly.
> >Sure you take out a thread or two at first, but with an overall knowledge of
>engine internals and most importantly knowing how the whole thing works in
>the first place there isn't much mistery left. Especially if everything is

It's hard to do with a Tomos, but if you overtighten the cylinder nuts on a
Puch or other moped with an alloy cylinder you'll ruin both piston and

>Yeah, those were the tough years. The problems were probably due to the
>quality control problems in the early '92 to '95 when Tomos was "floating in
>the air" after it went bankrupt. Luckily things started to improve after
>they received the ISO 9001 certificate.

Does this certificate really help? I think it's yet another way for nogoods
to make money. These certificats do cost a lot of money, and do not really
add anything to an organisation IMHO.

>the redesigned air intake was a pretty good idea for keeping the noise
>down and great for relaxed maintenance, but the longer intake manifold
>wasn't exactly the brightest idea.. I remember the Colibri and the first
>Discos that came out could out run any scooter with a good tuned pipe. Then

If we replace the twisted exhaust with a normal one on the new type Tomos,
they run 60 Km/h easy.

>The engine had a much better "durchzug" (is there an English word for it?)
>with the old type. But maybe it was due to the reed material. What do you

I think performance will improve even more if you'd fit the old straight

>Also, what's your opinion on Colibri maintenance? Personally I think it's
>the most bitchy Tomos to work on due to all those metal covers and the
>narrow frame.

Thank God the Colibri wasn't that much of a succes over here.
I have worked on one or two during my time, but can't remember if it was
harder to access as other models..


Hans Hartman

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